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Hello.

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Oh,

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hello,

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how are you?

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I am well.

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Thank you for joining me.

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My

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absolute privilege.

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I'm just

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so delighted to be a very,

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very small part

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on what sounds like it's going to be a fantastic undertaking under your leadership.

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Uh,

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thank you.

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I appreciate the vote of confidence,

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and it's an honor to get to

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be in this role and talk to

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amazing people.

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Um,

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I know we're both here early,

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but would you like some time to,

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uh,

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collect yourself?

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Perhaps you didn't expect me to be this early.

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I am ready

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to go through to sort of Barrett's,

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uh,

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form and spirit,

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if you will,

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um,

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but I understand I am early if you still need to finish up some things.

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Nope,

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I'm ready to go.

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Let's get to it then.

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All right,

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so,

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For the recording,

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I'm talking with Jamie Brooke Forsyth,

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who kindly agreed to be recorded as we add voice and texture

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via these conversations

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to honor and learn from a few of the many wonderful

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people that have passed through the doors or somehow been connected

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to Barrett,

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the Honors College at Arizona State University.

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There are so many amazing alumni,

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parents,

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faculty,

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and staff,

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and others from whom we can learn

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about the foundation,

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development,

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and evolution of Barrett over the years.

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And I'm honored to be talking with Jamie Brooke Forsyth

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today as she's really an amazing and interdisciplinary human being,

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and

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because she's so interdisciplinary,

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I'm sure

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that what comes up in this conversation will resonate with a number

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of different kinds of students and people from different walks of life.

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Um,

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before we begin,

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are you comfortable with me

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calling you Jamie or do you prefer a different address term?

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Jamie is perfect.

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Thank you so much.

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And for the recording,

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I'm Doctor Stephanie Delusa.

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My students call me Doctor D and you can call me Stephanie or anything else you want,

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but isn't that general family of terms.

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Excellent.

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So I could

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list the 4 bachelor's degrees that you earned from ASU as well as the 2 masters,

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one of which was from

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ASU,

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but so that we hear your voice as much or

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hopefully more than my own during our time together,

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would you please

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share your educational background in in some detail and

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Your path and when you got these degrees and what motivated them,

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etc.

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Certainly.

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so I am very proud to say

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I have 5 degrees from Arizona State University,

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including

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a certificate from Barrett the Honors College.

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I have 4 bachelor's degrees that are in music performance,

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specifically violin,

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interdisciplinary studies,

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which focused on the Polish language,

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and English literature.

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And one a master's degree in political theory.

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I understand on paper that they do not seem to have an organic connection,

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but for me,

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they really did unfold quite organically.

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I came

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without really a crystallized vision of what

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I wanted out of my collegiate experience,

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but I was confident that ASU

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and Barrett,

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more specifically,

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would afford me the chance

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to really explore a range of subjects

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and see where my intellectual curiosity

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I came to ASU specifically knowing

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line of inquiry would be in music,

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in violin performance,

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and I also knew I wanted to supplement that with

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academic degree.

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So when I matriculated into ASU

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I actually began as a violin performance and

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biochemical engineering

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I really discovered that the engineering core coursework as a freshman,

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conflicted and occurred at the exact same time,

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as the core curriculum for my music degree.

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decision there.

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let's see what else I can find

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across the vast ecosystem of ASU

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to study.

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Barrett's upperclassman mentor,

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my freshman year,

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who recommended an introduction to political science.

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And I just found the coursework,

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the line of inquiry that was pursued in class,

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the types of research

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that we were conducting in the papers to be so fascinating

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that that led to the political science degree.

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the Polish degree,

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and I'm sure as we speak together,

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Stephanie

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will explore this a little,

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but through,

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and I knew I wanted to apply for something

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and was pointed to ASU's Critical Languages Institute.

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Where I studied Polish and then utilize that to form an NSEP

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and successfully became a grantee and then built a Polish degree around that.

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sort of core of credits that worked toward that,

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and that was something I certainly loved while in high school,

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and so I

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tacked that on because it worked

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with a few extra large,

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course loads for a semester or two.

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so it really was just,

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Barrett students,

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especially of

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being excited about an opportunity,

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being curious to delve into something,

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that sort of unfolded in front of me.

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I wonder if you're still in touch with that

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upper class person who suggested the political science class because

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they would be very proud of you right now.

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speaking to the great friendships formed while at Barrett,

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I am indeed.

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our careers,

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have crossed paths

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in addition to our ongoing friendship.

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where Barrett will take us.

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and I have had a number of Barrett students myself who

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I hope someday you all cross paths to each other with each other because

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they're,

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they're amazing people as well.

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you mentioned NSEP,

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but for those who don't know,

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that's the US National Security Education Program.

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how you fit that in,

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that Critical Languages Institute,

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because it appears to me that you,

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ASU for a while,

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maybe it was just for a summer and studied in Poland.

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so you are exactly correct of what NSEP stands for.

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to elaborate a little bit on that for those unfamiliar with the NACP program,

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but has more of a linguistic focus to it.

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And another unique attribute of it is for the amount of time

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that you receive funding from the US government,

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to the government for that amount of time.

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NSEP grant writing,

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really leveraged the ANSA office at ASU

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where really the team there

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knew exactly

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the formula

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to set a student up for success,

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and I was the beneficiary of all of that expertise.

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bits of guidance that I received was

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a successful application generally asserted the arguments of

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why what you are studying in your degrees

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tied into where you were going.

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Poland is a truly vibrant

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violin and piano repertoire,

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home of familiar names to most people like Chopin,

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and so I

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wrote that I was going to research,

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a female composer of the 20th century.

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while I was there studying in Poland,

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and then Poznan,

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Poland,

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on the western half of the country,

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just coincidentally happened to have the strongest

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English literature and creative writing program in most of Western Europe.

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And so I was able to tie in that English component,

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English literature component.

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And Poland in its history

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is absolutely fascinating from a political standpoint,

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both for the theories that have arguably played out as armies have

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marched across the country and seen the border shift,

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but also for the implications of what that means for the Polish identity

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and the significance of culture

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to preserving the Polish people's identity.

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And so,

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um,

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I couldn't have asked for a better way of tying those in together,

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um,

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really leveraging everything that I was exploring at ASU

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and just

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taking that overseas for a semester,

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uh,

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to study.

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And as an unexpected byproduct,

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really getting my first taste at

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physically picking up and moving to the unknown,

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and learning to live in unfamiliar cities,

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um,

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test out what that discomfort is like and learning that it's not too scary.

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People are very warm and welcoming and willing to assist and offer their,

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um,

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help.

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If you just ask for it,

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um,

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and,

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and sort of tying

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together what that's helped build for me as a career foundation,

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um,

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down the road when I subsequently had an opportunity

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to move abroad for work,

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I thought,

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well,

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I've been there,

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done that,

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let's go.

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Well,

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that's a perfect

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anecdote to help support other students who are

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not sure if they have the confidence or

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courage to study overseas and to

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To work with the Office of National Scholarship Advisement,

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which

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is at ASU in general,

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but it's,

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it's placed in and very interlinked with Barrett

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because it's so many of the Barrett students

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that are well prepared and take advantage of these opportunities.

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So

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thank you for sharing about that and just as a quick follow up,

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what's the name of the person that you researched over there?

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Great question.

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Her name is Grazinna Batsevich.

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Um,

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and,

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uh,

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I actually traveled around Poland collecting books that were written about her.

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And some of my language practice

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was sitting in a little cafe every afternoon and translating

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uh texts.

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So I got my

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Polish practice,

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while also working on my

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music

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line of inquiry for research and just those general research skills.

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So,

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since we just touched on fear and courage a little bit,

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I hope you'll indulge me,

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but I found an old quote that you used to value.

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I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing it correctly,

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but Eva Gerlick.

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Mhm.

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And it was about fear,

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and it looks like it's from deep in your past,

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and it sounds like you've faced and overcome.

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Those kind of natural fears that we have as students,

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as well as

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um

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just taking some interesting turns

366
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in your,

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your career.

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So what we didn't mention yet is that after

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finishing your four

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bachelor's degrees,

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can you

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share how one of those kind of was a,

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a,

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a program that led you into one of your masters and

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how you went on to a second master's after that,

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and

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we'll pick up after that.

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Yes,

379
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so,

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I,

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uh,

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benefited from

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ASU offering a 5-year,

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uh,

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joint bachelor's and master's program uh in political science,

386
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and so that's what Stephanie alluded to in the nice,

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uh,

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organic unfolding of those two degrees.

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I think that really was a way of

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taking advantage

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of

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the

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research I had already done and the studies

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that had built a nice

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political science foundation,

396
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but I really wanted to further explore

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um the political theories and

398
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really

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utilize the expertise of some of the phenomenal professors

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uh in that department.

401
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And so,

402
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it was a

403
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quick way

404
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to get another degree,

405
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I guess,

406
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under my belt,

407
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um,

408
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but I also at the same time,

409
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um,

410
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began,

411
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uh,

412
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an internship which

413
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sort of quickly morphed into a,

414
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a full-time.

415
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Job,

416
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um,

417
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working for Barbara Barrett while I finished my master's,

418
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so,

419
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uh,

420
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true to form I think Barrett students never are really just doing one or two things,

421
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maybe they're doing

422
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19 or 20 things simultaneously.

423
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Yes,

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I was wondering how you fit it all in,

425
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and

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I was gonna ask

427
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if you began

428
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working with Barbara Barrett in some sort of capacity connected with

429
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Barrett,

430
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like the internship program,

431
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or if that happened after you graduated.

432
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But with your bachelor's degrees.

433
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Yeah,

434
00:16:08.299 --> 00:16:11.520
so I actually got that first

435
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internship that morphed into a job

436
00:16:14.469 --> 00:16:16.760
um by responding to

437
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a,

438
00:16:18.020 --> 00:16:18.840
quite candidly,

439
00:16:19.140 --> 00:16:20.179
very vague

440
00:16:20.419 --> 00:16:25.960
but intriguing email that was sent over the Honors Digest,

441
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um,

442
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and that

443
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I thought really sort of caught my eye,

444
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and it was addressed to Barrett Seniors.

445
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And I

446
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made a note,

447
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oh,

448
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I should go ask the Dean,

449
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Dean Jacobs at the time,

450
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a little bit more about what this is,

451
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um,

452
00:16:44.270 --> 00:16:47.049
but then it sort of got distracted by classes,

453
00:16:47.510 --> 00:16:51.169
and when I saw my Post-it note reminder a little while later,

454
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I,

455
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I did reach out,

456
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um,

457
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and was told,

458
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please submit a resume.

459
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And fast forward,

460
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I found myself

461
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having an interview with um

462
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Barbara Barrett,

463
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uh,

464
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namesake of the school,

465
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after graduation.

466
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So you really never know

467
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where your honors journey

468
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may take you.

469
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And that relates to you.

470
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Moving overseas again and

471
00:17:21.969 --> 00:17:24.290
building on that experience you had in Poland,

472
00:17:24.368 --> 00:17:25.348
but in another

473
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country through your work

474
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with Barbara Barrett.

475
00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:29.569
Could you expand on that,

476
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please?

477
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Yeah,

478
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so I,

479
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in hindsight,

480
00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:36.579
could not have asked

481
00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.060
for a more empowering launchpad

482
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to my career,

483
00:17:43.459 --> 00:17:43.560
uh,

484
00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:44.109
that

485
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had the benefit of building on a phenomenal foundation that I built at Barrett.

486
00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:51.339
Um,

487
00:17:52.449 --> 00:17:54.689
Barbara was a very empowering

488
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uh boss and mentor.

489
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She always

490
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gave me runway

491
00:18:01.849 --> 00:18:03.520
to see what I could do,

492
00:18:03.810 --> 00:18:06.000
what research I could find,

493
00:18:06.170 --> 00:18:08.109
what ideas I might come up with,

494
00:18:08.650 --> 00:18:12.489
and if I was willing to put the elbow grease in and do the work,

495
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she was willing to see what might be the result.

496
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Um,

497
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and I think that's really a,

498
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a treat to have had not only.

499
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As a

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a career experience,

501
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but particularly early on in my career.

502
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Um,

503
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I think one thing,

504
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uh,

505
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that I really internalized in that first role,

506
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um,

507
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which took us,

508
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as you,

509
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uh,

510
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you did allude to Stephanie,

511
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uh,

512
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to work together at the US Embassy in Helsinki,

513
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Finland,

514
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where Barbara served as the US ambassador to Finland.

515
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Um,

516
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I really

517
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Learned

518
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through watching her put into practice

519
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that just because something is the status quo,

520
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doesn't mean that's how we have to accept it.

521
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Um,

522
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if something had not been done,

523
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that doesn't mean that it couldn't be done.

524
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Um,

525
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if something was hard,

526
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that wasn't a reason to rule it out.

527
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And I think

528
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One thing that's really um sort of springs to mind in

529
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terms of sharing maybe a little bit of an anecdote about

530
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working with her in Finland,

531
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um,

532
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relates to

533
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that early period when we were settling in.

534
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Her term began

535
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shortly before summer,

536
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and in Finland,

537
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Finns really depart

538
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Helsinki,

539
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the capital,

540
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for July.

541
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Um,

542
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and so

543
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she was asking,

544
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well,

545
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why am I going to be in Helsinki

546
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when the people I am supposed to be building relationships with,

547
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advocating on behalf of the United States,

548
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building partnerships with aren't here?

549
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And so we designed a biking expedition from the Swedish-Finnish border

550
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to the Finnish-Russian border.

551
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And set it up as sort of a two-pronged expedition.

552
00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:11.780
During the day it was business,

553
00:20:12.329 --> 00:20:12.339
um,

554
00:20:12.699 --> 00:20:14.780
and so along the route,

555
00:20:14.859 --> 00:20:17.780
we stopped during the day and met with business leaders,

556
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schools,

557
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universities,

558
00:20:19.939 --> 00:20:21.969
phenomenal tech hubs,

559
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libraries,

560
00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:25.630
even cultural institutions.

561
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Um,

562
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and

563
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so,

564
00:20:29.229 --> 00:20:31.069
where can we partner with the United States?

565
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Maybe there's an organization or company

566
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that there's a natural synergy there,

567
00:20:36.189 --> 00:20:40.410
but that introduction maybe hasn't been facilitated yet.

568
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Um,

569
00:20:41.670 --> 00:20:42.449
and we often

570
00:20:43.310 --> 00:20:44.469
heard Finn's remark,

571
00:20:44.550 --> 00:20:44.790
you know,

572
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uh,

573
00:20:45.469 --> 00:20:47.959
US ambassador's never come here before.

574
00:20:48.270 --> 00:20:49.439
And so I think

575
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Just

576
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showing up,

577
00:20:51.520 --> 00:20:53.969
demonstrating Americans are very approachable,

578
00:20:54.510 --> 00:20:54.780
um,

579
00:20:54.869 --> 00:20:56.829
did a lot for public diplomacy.

580
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And then every day at 5 p.m. thereabouts,

581
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we'd hop on our bikes and bike

582
00:21:02.520 --> 00:21:05.729
roughly till midnight because the sun didn't set

583
00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:06.979
that high north,

584
00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:07.430
uh,

585
00:21:07.959 --> 00:21:10.130
close to the Arctic Circle,

586
00:21:10.560 --> 00:21:11.739
and I think

587
00:21:12.239 --> 00:21:17.260
it always has really resonated with me quite profoundly

588
00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:19.459
to see the impact

589
00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.680
of a US ambassador hopping off a bike.

590
00:21:23.380 --> 00:21:28.560
And introducing herself to some things that might be gardening in their front lawn

591
00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:31.680
or playing with their kids in the evening.

592
00:21:32.060 --> 00:21:32.540
Um,

593
00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:33.520
and I think

594
00:21:33.739 --> 00:21:35.900
demonstrating that accessibility,

595
00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:38.359
that engagement,

596
00:21:38.780 --> 00:21:39.449
um,

597
00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:41.239
the willingness to

598
00:21:41.780 --> 00:21:46.520
create opportunities for paths to cross and for dialogue to happen,

599
00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:47.380
um,

600
00:21:47.619 --> 00:21:49.280
has been a framework

601
00:21:49.420 --> 00:21:52.160
that I always continue to

602
00:21:52.910 --> 00:21:54.260
Seek out

603
00:21:54.380 --> 00:21:55.170
applications of.

604
00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:56.739
Um,

605
00:21:57.229 --> 00:21:58.170
it was

606
00:21:58.670 --> 00:22:00.530
not necessarily

607
00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:02.900
a moment where anybody said,

608
00:22:03.109 --> 00:22:04.469
here is a teachable moment,

609
00:22:04.630 --> 00:22:06.060
make sure you observe,

610
00:22:06.540 --> 00:22:11.170
but it was something that I think was so special about working with Barbara,

611
00:22:11.449 --> 00:22:12.130
um,

612
00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:13.050
uh

613
00:22:13.959 --> 00:22:17.189
Thinking about ways to create solutions

614
00:22:17.729 --> 00:22:20.550
uh that haven't been encountered that maybe

615
00:22:20.890 --> 00:22:22.619
sort of push the envelope

616
00:22:23.010 --> 00:22:25.430
and expand the impact of

617
00:22:26.329 --> 00:22:28.910
the audience that's either having

618
00:22:29.250 --> 00:22:31.229
uh that engagement,

619
00:22:31.550 --> 00:22:32.150
um,

620
00:22:32.170 --> 00:22:36.170
or broadening the awareness of whatever the topic or initiative may be.

621
00:22:37.540 --> 00:22:39.329
So it sounds like it was a

622
00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:42.270
A formative experience,

623
00:22:42.439 --> 00:22:44.500
whether there was direct mentoring

624
00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:45.760
or indirect mentoring,

625
00:22:45.800 --> 00:22:47.699
you got a lot out of

626
00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:50.569
being in Barbara Barrett's sphere,

627
00:22:50.579 --> 00:22:51.160
and

628
00:22:51.520 --> 00:22:53.859
sounds like you got some good exercise as well.

629
00:22:54.520 --> 00:22:55.160
That's true,

630
00:22:55.280 --> 00:22:56.000
that's true.

631
00:22:56.760 --> 00:22:58.829
And um we haven't mentioned this,

632
00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:00.020
and it didn't necessarily.

633
00:23:00.969 --> 00:23:02.449
seem to connect a lot with Barrett,

634
00:23:02.560 --> 00:23:06.800
but I think it's still gonna inspire and add texture here that you're,

635
00:23:06.890 --> 00:23:08.510
you had a background in

636
00:23:08.849 --> 00:23:09.530
ballet,

637
00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:11.310
which gave you some of that

638
00:23:11.810 --> 00:23:14.810
physical stamina that apparently one would need to

639
00:23:14.810 --> 00:23:17.030
be serving with Barbara Barrett in Finland.

640
00:23:19.890 --> 00:23:20.359
And

641
00:23:20.540 --> 00:23:23.300
I saw you'd also climbed Mount Everest.

642
00:23:23.420 --> 00:23:24.060
Is that

643
00:23:24.339 --> 00:23:24.930
accurate?

644
00:23:25.729 --> 00:23:25.979
Uh,

645
00:23:26.020 --> 00:23:27.699
there's a nuance to that,

646
00:23:27.810 --> 00:23:28.500
Stephanie.

647
00:23:28.609 --> 00:23:32.530
I did an endurance hiking challenge

648
00:23:33.099 --> 00:23:33.569
where

649
00:23:34.030 --> 00:23:36.199
you are challenged to

650
00:23:36.459 --> 00:23:38.839
climb a mountain over and over

651
00:23:39.020 --> 00:23:43.829
in 36 hours or less to accumulate the vertical height

652
00:23:44.219 --> 00:23:45.479
of Mount Everest,

653
00:23:45.739 --> 00:23:47.739
29,029 ft.

654
00:23:48.859 --> 00:23:52.920
So I have full respect of those who have successfully

655
00:23:53.459 --> 00:23:56.160
summited Mount Everett itself.

656
00:23:56.579 --> 00:24:00.410
I did a slightly less daunting version,

657
00:24:01.989 --> 00:24:02.060
um,

658
00:24:02.619 --> 00:24:05.319
for those successful mountaineers,

659
00:24:05.729 --> 00:24:05.739
uh,

660
00:24:05.939 --> 00:24:07.540
but was quite challenging for me.

661
00:24:07.650 --> 00:24:07.760
Oh,

662
00:24:08.349 --> 00:24:08.540
yeah,

663
00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:11.079
it's certainly an impressive feat,

664
00:24:11.489 --> 00:24:12.060
and,

665
00:24:12.270 --> 00:24:12.439
you know,

666
00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:14.119
circling back to

667
00:24:14.699 --> 00:24:15.359
having

668
00:24:16.459 --> 00:24:16.650
You know,

669
00:24:16.699 --> 00:24:16.989
this,

670
00:24:17.060 --> 00:24:18.520
this fitness and these,

671
00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:22.280
the balance and the accessibility that you just talked about,

672
00:24:23.630 --> 00:24:26.040
when you were pursuing your undergraduate degrees.

673
00:24:27.209 --> 00:24:30.079
Do you feel like you struck a balance at that time?

674
00:24:30.290 --> 00:24:30.949
Were you

675
00:24:31.209 --> 00:24:33.520
working or were you involved in clubs,

676
00:24:33.530 --> 00:24:34.270
or were

677
00:24:34.489 --> 00:24:35.760
given the four degrees?

678
00:24:35.810 --> 00:24:38.069
Were you mainly focused on

679
00:24:38.479 --> 00:24:39.390
academics?

680
00:24:40.699 --> 00:24:40.709
Hm,

681
00:24:41.500 --> 00:24:42.640
that's a great question.

682
00:24:42.939 --> 00:24:45.520
I actually really think

683
00:24:46.219 --> 00:24:47.140
that

684
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:50.609
Both

685
00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:53.640
The ASU

686
00:24:54.390 --> 00:24:55.430
ecosystem,

687
00:24:55.469 --> 00:24:56.010
where

688
00:24:56.310 --> 00:25:00.750
really anything is possible in terms of what you want to study,

689
00:25:01.229 --> 00:25:02.609
combined with

690
00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:05.609
the infectious nature

691
00:25:05.869 --> 00:25:07.630
of the Barrett community,

692
00:25:07.949 --> 00:25:09.969
you can't help but have

693
00:25:10.550 --> 00:25:14.180
inspiring opportunities bump into you,

694
00:25:14.390 --> 00:25:17.410
even if you're trying to put your head down and just study.

695
00:25:17.790 --> 00:25:18.550
Um,

696
00:25:18.910 --> 00:25:21.010
that I did have to learn.

697
00:25:21.699 --> 00:25:22.829
That balance.

698
00:25:23.489 --> 00:25:26.079
And it wasn't necessarily a

699
00:25:26.780 --> 00:25:27.569
Uh,

700
00:25:27.699 --> 00:25:29.930
a balance in terms of

701
00:25:30.949 --> 00:25:31.670
Time,

702
00:25:31.819 --> 00:25:35.430
but it was really about thinking about the organization of things.

703
00:25:35.910 --> 00:25:37.050
I would say.

704
00:25:37.969 --> 00:25:41.540
Sort of in the line vein of what we were just speaking about the

705
00:25:42.869 --> 00:25:43.739
29

706
00:25:43.989 --> 00:25:46.099
or 29 Everesting challenge.

707
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:52.939
Barrett really set me up with the foundation for something like that and learning to

708
00:25:53.280 --> 00:25:54.380
break down

709
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:56.640
a big daunting task

710
00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.540
into bite-size pieces.

711
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.719
I think in hindsight,

712
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.199
I never really thought about,

713
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:05.459
oh my goodness,

714
00:26:05.760 --> 00:26:09.819
if I'm going to try to do 4 bachelor's degrees in 4 years,

715
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.520
how overwhelming the number of classes

716
00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:14.280
is

717
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:16.040
that I'm going to have to complete.

718
00:26:16.829 --> 00:26:17.439
Instead,

719
00:26:17.479 --> 00:26:18.839
it was really just,

720
00:26:18.989 --> 00:26:19.479
OK.

721
00:26:20.329 --> 00:26:21.310
For this semester,

722
00:26:22.410 --> 00:26:23.489
what do I need to target?

723
00:26:23.609 --> 00:26:23.930
OK,

724
00:26:24.050 --> 00:26:25.359
for this week,

725
00:26:25.369 --> 00:26:26.689
within those classes,

726
00:26:27.010 --> 00:26:28.449
what needs to get done?

727
00:26:28.810 --> 00:26:34.449
And then thinking about just breaking it down into those very digestible bites,

728
00:26:35.089 --> 00:26:35.989
um,

729
00:26:36.329 --> 00:26:37.949
sort of made it

730
00:26:38.290 --> 00:26:39.489
not daunting,

731
00:26:40.250 --> 00:26:41.589
made it very approachable,

732
00:26:42.369 --> 00:26:47.290
and actually created space for it to be both fun and enjoyable.

733
00:26:48.060 --> 00:26:48.619
Um,

734
00:26:48.739 --> 00:26:50.449
and so I

735
00:26:51.209 --> 00:26:53.829
I almost think that by

736
00:26:54.569 --> 00:26:59.069
nature of being so inspired by so many things that I could do,

737
00:26:59.369 --> 00:26:59.579
um,

738
00:26:59.650 --> 00:27:01.680
we've really touched just on the,

739
00:27:01.770 --> 00:27:03.250
the classes so far,

740
00:27:03.329 --> 00:27:05.349
but obviously there are

741
00:27:05.750 --> 00:27:08.890
clubs and organizations and so many other things

742
00:27:08.890 --> 00:27:12.829
that create that well-rounded student experience at Barrett,

743
00:27:12.849 --> 00:27:13.469
um.

744
00:27:14.689 --> 00:27:19.390
It was a way of just learning that framework of fitting it all in,

745
00:27:19.890 --> 00:27:20.510
um,

746
00:27:20.530 --> 00:27:21.300
and

747
00:27:21.569 --> 00:27:23.530
making it enjoyable along the way.

748
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.780
You lived

749
00:27:27.280 --> 00:27:28.839
in the Barrett community as well,

750
00:27:29.040 --> 00:27:29.579
correct?

751
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:30.599
I did,

752
00:27:30.719 --> 00:27:31.170
yes.

753
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:33.849
Can you tell me more about what

754
00:27:34.800 --> 00:27:38.189
That was like in general and some specifics,

755
00:27:38.199 --> 00:27:40.819
because if I have my dates correct,

756
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:42.260
you were

757
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:45.859
at Barrett before we had our new buildings.

758
00:27:47.650 --> 00:27:48.469
That's correct.

759
00:27:48.770 --> 00:27:49.550
Yes,

760
00:27:50.050 --> 00:27:50.839
um,

761
00:27:51.089 --> 00:27:51.650
I,

762
00:27:51.849 --> 00:27:53.750
so most broadly,

763
00:27:54.209 --> 00:27:56.949
I think something that is

764
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.140
Very special,

765
00:27:59.760 --> 00:28:00.510
um,

766
00:28:00.520 --> 00:28:01.099
about

767
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:04.420
Bear it

768
00:28:05.290 --> 00:28:06.099
within.

769
00:28:07.239 --> 00:28:08.260
ASU

770
00:28:08.479 --> 00:28:09.170
is,

771
00:28:09.719 --> 00:28:12.800
I like to tell prospective students to bear it.

772
00:28:13.719 --> 00:28:15.300
That if you

773
00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:16.959
really want

774
00:28:17.790 --> 00:28:18.770
A

775
00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:19.750
vast,

776
00:28:19.869 --> 00:28:21.109
vivacious.

777
00:28:21.780 --> 00:28:21.810
It's

778
00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:23.239
a vibrant

779
00:28:24.060 --> 00:28:25.180
research university.

780
00:28:25.949 --> 00:28:26.790
ASU

781
00:28:27.109 --> 00:28:28.349
is the school for you.

782
00:28:29.150 --> 00:28:32.969
If you want a curated liberal arts curriculum

783
00:28:33.510 --> 00:28:36.569
in a more approachably sized community,

784
00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:37.670
bear it.

785
00:28:38.449 --> 00:28:40.099
Is the college for you,

786
00:28:40.609 --> 00:28:41.359
and

787
00:28:41.530 --> 00:28:43.989
you can have the best of those

788
00:28:44.270 --> 00:28:44.989
two

789
00:28:45.250 --> 00:28:47.069
fairly disparate worlds

790
00:28:47.609 --> 00:28:49.650
while at one institution.

791
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:52.550
So why not take advantage of that?

792
00:28:53.010 --> 00:28:53.410
Um,

793
00:28:53.489 --> 00:28:58.310
the upside of it was that Barrett really was a bit of a home base for me.

794
00:28:58.680 --> 00:28:59.329
Um,

795
00:28:59.449 --> 00:28:59.969
I,

796
00:29:00.089 --> 00:29:00.650
as I said,

797
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:03.030
I always thought of it as infectious,

798
00:29:03.329 --> 00:29:03.959
um,

799
00:29:04.760 --> 00:29:07.239
It was honestly sort of hard to stay still.

800
00:29:07.739 --> 00:29:09.900
Action was sort of inevitable.

801
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:10.959
Um,

802
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:12.359
there was always activity,

803
00:29:12.439 --> 00:29:14.439
there was always movement.

804
00:29:14.760 --> 00:29:17.660
I did live in the older

805
00:29:17.800 --> 00:29:19.099
Barrett community,

806
00:29:19.199 --> 00:29:19.719
as you said,

807
00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:20.660
Stephanie.

808
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:21.280
Uh,

809
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.300
my first year I lived in Best Sea.

810
00:29:24.520 --> 00:29:25.900
My second year,

811
00:29:26.199 --> 00:29:26.800
uh,

812
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:29.959
I thought I was tickled pink when I found out I was gonna

813
00:29:29.959 --> 00:29:34.319
live in what was the newer dorms of Hayden East and Hayden West.

814
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:35.400
Um,

815
00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:37.550
and then there was this dusty courtyard

816
00:29:38.130 --> 00:29:43.229
in the center where you sort of pass through between classes or to meet friends.

817
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:43.969
Um,

818
00:29:44.050 --> 00:29:46.260
we didn't have a lot of food options.

819
00:29:46.369 --> 00:29:47.989
The Memorial Union,

820
00:29:48.339 --> 00:29:49.069
um,

821
00:29:49.329 --> 00:29:51.430
was probably the closest place,

822
00:29:51.439 --> 00:29:52.469
and so being

823
00:29:52.650 --> 00:29:54.989
scrappy about scraps,

824
00:29:55.010 --> 00:29:55.489
um,

825
00:29:55.530 --> 00:29:57.670
was a bit of a bonding experience.

826
00:29:58.410 --> 00:29:59.180
I think.

827
00:29:59.890 --> 00:30:00.300
You know,

828
00:30:00.410 --> 00:30:01.140
the

829
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.270
The dorms were maybe a little more rough and tumble,

830
00:30:06.250 --> 00:30:07.510
but I think

831
00:30:07.930 --> 00:30:09.079
it was great,

832
00:30:09.089 --> 00:30:13.369
because it wasn't such a cushy oasis that you didn't want to leave your room.

833
00:30:14.060 --> 00:30:18.819
It really almost was a forcing function to get you out of your room and interact

834
00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:21.920
with students and faculty and professors,

835
00:30:22.219 --> 00:30:23.099
um.

836
00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:25.079
I

837
00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:27.219
I imagine

838
00:30:27.959 --> 00:30:29.709
if I traveled back in time,

839
00:30:29.760 --> 00:30:32.819
I could have offered some constructive criticism

840
00:30:33.280 --> 00:30:35.339
on living in the old

841
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:37.380
uh community,

842
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.339
but now that's sort of washed away,

843
00:30:41.410 --> 00:30:41.869
uh,

844
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.020
and all of the phenomenal highlights are all that's remaining.

845
00:30:45.520 --> 00:30:47.520
Have you been back to the

846
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:48.739
campus and

847
00:30:49.109 --> 00:30:50.189
seen the new community,

848
00:30:50.199 --> 00:30:51.920
and what are your thoughts about it?

849
00:30:52.910 --> 00:30:54.270
I have.

850
00:30:54.750 --> 00:30:57.619
The first time I stepped

851
00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:00.810
into the new honors complex

852
00:31:01.030 --> 00:31:03.569
was surf and turf night.

853
00:31:04.189 --> 00:31:06.010
I was blown away.

854
00:31:07.469 --> 00:31:08.099
Um,

855
00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:09.410
it felt like

856
00:31:09.910 --> 00:31:11.729
there were parts of

857
00:31:12.109 --> 00:31:15.550
the dining hall that were Harry Potter-esque,

858
00:31:15.829 --> 00:31:18.390
with the banners hanging from the ceiling.

859
00:31:19.150 --> 00:31:21.719
But what was unchanged,

860
00:31:22.219 --> 00:31:26.290
even though the walls and sort of the accouterment of everything

861
00:31:26.510 --> 00:31:27.410
were perhaps

862
00:31:28.349 --> 00:31:29.630
More refined

863
00:31:30.109 --> 00:31:35.020
was the consistency of the energy and engagement of students,

864
00:31:35.030 --> 00:31:36.770
and so that's what told me,

865
00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:38.579
I'm back at Barrett.

866
00:31:40.819 --> 00:31:41.359
So,

867
00:31:41.979 --> 00:31:43.739
what do you remember?

868
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:46.209
You mentioned a few minutes ago about teachers,

869
00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:47.130
professors,

870
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:48.319
all the different

871
00:31:48.579 --> 00:31:49.760
people you could

872
00:31:50.339 --> 00:31:52.469
visit when you were outside your dorm room.

873
00:31:54.040 --> 00:31:56.670
What do you remember about the human event and

874
00:31:57.339 --> 00:31:58.300
The people you met there,

875
00:31:58.420 --> 00:31:59.089
your professors,

876
00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:02.140
if it helped you in your other courses or in your

877
00:32:02.770 --> 00:32:04.069
Your career and life.

878
00:32:05.989 --> 00:32:06.390
Yeah,

879
00:32:06.520 --> 00:32:09.130
the human event I think is a special gem

880
00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:12.369
that every Barrett graduate treasures,

881
00:32:12.829 --> 00:32:13.630
um.

882
00:32:15.520 --> 00:32:18.160
My second semester of human events,

883
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.849
Professor Lenore Brady um was the teacher,

884
00:32:22.239 --> 00:32:25.260
and she just had this special gift

885
00:32:25.719 --> 00:32:26.500
of

886
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.000
making a text come alive through the discussion,

887
00:32:30.280 --> 00:32:31.780
but also

888
00:32:32.479 --> 00:32:33.819
making it applicable

889
00:32:34.239 --> 00:32:35.060
to life

890
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:41.939
as a student that sometimes was very disparate from the life of the characters or

891
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:42.810
Um,

892
00:32:42.890 --> 00:32:45.839
the writers of the piece we were reading,

893
00:32:46.130 --> 00:32:46.939
I think.

894
00:32:48.209 --> 00:32:52.020
One piece that continues to resonate in my

895
00:32:52.439 --> 00:32:55.260
both professional and personal life from the human event

896
00:32:55.760 --> 00:32:56.760
is

897
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.180
the skill of civil discourse,

898
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:01.739
learning to

899
00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:02.680
read,

900
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.300
articulate an idea.

901
00:33:05.109 --> 00:33:08.949
And sometimes even if we felt very strongly

902
00:33:08.949 --> 00:33:11.900
about a personal interpretation of a text,

903
00:33:12.550 --> 00:33:13.810
learning to have

904
00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:15.530
that dynamic,

905
00:33:15.550 --> 00:33:19.250
but still courteous discussion with our classmates,

906
00:33:19.550 --> 00:33:20.219
um,

907
00:33:20.270 --> 00:33:23.810
to explore and understand the nuances of

908
00:33:24.069 --> 00:33:26.089
our respective interpretations

909
00:33:26.510 --> 00:33:27.310
and

910
00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:30.949
where we were coming from in forming

911
00:33:31.229 --> 00:33:33.390
sort of that interpretation or thesis.

912
00:33:34.109 --> 00:33:37.569
I think something that's also special about the way

913
00:33:38.150 --> 00:33:40.930
the human events seminar is taught

914
00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:42.410
is that

915
00:33:42.790 --> 00:33:43.989
it's small.

916
00:33:44.550 --> 00:33:48.410
There's no place to hide if you didn't do the reading,

917
00:33:48.550 --> 00:33:49.569
it would show,

918
00:33:49.989 --> 00:33:50.790
um,

919
00:33:50.949 --> 00:33:51.750
and

920
00:33:52.189 --> 00:33:54.689
in contrast sometimes to

921
00:33:55.310 --> 00:33:57.349
larger courses

922
00:33:57.510 --> 00:33:58.670
on campus,

923
00:33:58.989 --> 00:34:01.390
there was really a sense of accountability.

924
00:34:02.270 --> 00:34:03.680
That forms

925
00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:05.199
uh with

926
00:34:05.609 --> 00:34:06.550
your peers.

927
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:07.489
Um,

928
00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:08.679
and I think that was

929
00:34:09.570 --> 00:34:11.989
Very unique and reflects

930
00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:15.310
what a treasured culture Barrett fosters.

931
00:34:18.520 --> 00:34:20.590
It's been there since the beginning,

932
00:34:20.600 --> 00:34:21.100
and

933
00:34:21.748 --> 00:34:22.148
I,

934
00:34:22.268 --> 00:34:27.089
I think it's a key piece to building community and a springboard

935
00:34:27.428 --> 00:34:27.579
for,

936
00:34:27.589 --> 00:34:28.408
as you said,

937
00:34:30.118 --> 00:34:30.839
Polite

938
00:34:31.319 --> 00:34:32.599
civil discourse.

939
00:34:32.717 --> 00:34:33.158
Did you,

940
00:34:33.279 --> 00:34:35.239
you get to meet Ted Humphrey then?

941
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:37.978
I did have the privilege.

942
00:34:38.149 --> 00:34:38.639
Um,

943
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:39.620
I was

944
00:34:40.478 --> 00:34:43.438
there as the transition sort of happened.

945
00:34:43.560 --> 00:34:47.060
So the first Dean that I ever had was

946
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:48.399
Dean Jacobs,

947
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.659
but Dean Humphreys certainly still had a presence.

948
00:34:52.958 --> 00:34:53.800
Um,

949
00:34:53.958 --> 00:34:56.870
his wife Janet led the ASA office,

950
00:34:56.879 --> 00:34:58.379
which we talked about,

951
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.939
and I think that

952
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:03.260
The care

953
00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:04.139
that

954
00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:05.540
the deanship,

955
00:35:06.040 --> 00:35:07.080
uh,

956
00:35:07.939 --> 00:35:10.429
Sort of passed Dean to Dean,

957
00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:15.620
that was shown by the continued engagement of the predecessor,

958
00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:17.800
while also creating space

959
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.199
for Dean Jacobs upon his arrival

960
00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:22.649
to

961
00:35:22.939 --> 00:35:23.459
continue.

962
00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:27.560
Growing Barrett into what it's become today,

963
00:35:27.580 --> 00:35:33.169
and I know Dean Williams continues to take it into further flourishing levels,

964
00:35:33.469 --> 00:35:34.129
um,

965
00:35:34.149 --> 00:35:34.850
is,

966
00:35:35.149 --> 00:35:36.330
is special

967
00:35:36.590 --> 00:35:39.290
as the leadership of the college

968
00:35:39.709 --> 00:35:41.409
and also a great

969
00:35:41.790 --> 00:35:44.689
sort of leadership by example for

970
00:35:45.030 --> 00:35:46.330
students like me

971
00:35:46.709 --> 00:35:49.169
to see how that transfer,

972
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:49.899
um,

973
00:35:49.909 --> 00:35:51.989
benefits into posterity,

974
00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:52.949
the institution.

975
00:35:54.860 --> 00:35:55.379
So,

976
00:35:56.139 --> 00:35:56.959
you mentioned

977
00:35:59.129 --> 00:35:59.570
That you,

978
00:35:59.649 --> 00:36:01.199
I guess my question is.

979
00:36:02.449 --> 00:36:03.659
When you were in high school,

980
00:36:03.739 --> 00:36:06.120
did you consider any other universities

981
00:36:06.580 --> 00:36:07.290
and

982
00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:09.260
Whether you did or not,

983
00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:10.479
when you decided

984
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.459
about ASU,

985
00:36:11.510 --> 00:36:12.860
did you already know about Barrett,

986
00:36:12.870 --> 00:36:15.050
or how did you find your way to Barrett?

987
00:36:15.889 --> 00:36:16.379
Hm.

988
00:36:17.550 --> 00:36:17.919
OK,

989
00:36:18.070 --> 00:36:19.790
so the first question,

990
00:36:19.949 --> 00:36:20.300
um,

991
00:36:20.350 --> 00:36:24.030
I did apply to a few other universities,

992
00:36:24.429 --> 00:36:25.110
um,

993
00:36:25.310 --> 00:36:26.459
as I shared,

994
00:36:26.669 --> 00:36:29.129
I knew that music performance

995
00:36:29.459 --> 00:36:32.449
was something that was important to me,

996
00:36:32.669 --> 00:36:33.139
um,

997
00:36:33.149 --> 00:36:34.070
for college.

998
00:36:34.229 --> 00:36:35.689
So really my

999
00:36:36.969 --> 00:36:39.530
duration of schools to which I applied

1000
00:36:39.790 --> 00:36:42.929
revolved around what was the violin performance,

1001
00:36:42.939 --> 00:36:44.590
and then specific for

1002
00:36:44.899 --> 00:36:45.479
Um,

1003
00:36:45.780 --> 00:36:47.560
the music disciplines was

1004
00:36:48.060 --> 00:36:51.399
what professors maybe have spots available for

1005
00:36:51.399 --> 00:36:53.939
the year I was matriculating into college.

1006
00:36:54.750 --> 00:36:55.780
Um,

1007
00:36:56.030 --> 00:36:56.909
I think.

1008
00:36:57.750 --> 00:37:00.610
One thing that I was cognizant of

1009
00:37:01.419 --> 00:37:02.010
coming into

1010
00:37:02.669 --> 00:37:04.570
undergraduate studies

1011
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:05.649
was that I

1012
00:37:05.790 --> 00:37:09.030
was fairly confident I wanted to do

1013
00:37:09.389 --> 00:37:11.870
some sort of graduate studies.

1014
00:37:12.189 --> 00:37:16.750
Whether it was immediately after graduation or down the road,

1015
00:37:17.070 --> 00:37:19.770
that was something that was on my radar.

1016
00:37:20.310 --> 00:37:21.850
And so thinking about

1017
00:37:22.270 --> 00:37:26.280
um affordability was something that I was mindful of.

1018
00:37:27.020 --> 00:37:27.540
Uh,

1019
00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:28.620
ASU,

1020
00:37:28.899 --> 00:37:30.320
when I entered,

1021
00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:31.520
was,

1022
00:37:31.699 --> 00:37:32.219
uh,

1023
00:37:32.409 --> 00:37:35.129
offered not only phenomenal education,

1024
00:37:35.300 --> 00:37:36.239
but at,

1025
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:37.139
uh,

1026
00:37:37.169 --> 00:37:42.189
a relatively affordable price point for the quality of education,

1027
00:37:42.699 --> 00:37:43.580
and

1028
00:37:43.899 --> 00:37:46.520
really phenomenal scholarships.

1029
00:37:46.979 --> 00:37:47.500
Uh,

1030
00:37:47.620 --> 00:37:49.600
so that was certainly something

1031
00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:51.439
that I was mindful of.

1032
00:37:51.939 --> 00:37:54.179
And then the reputation of Barrett,

1033
00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:54.649
uh,

1034
00:37:54.820 --> 00:37:56.060
having that.

1035
00:37:56.850 --> 00:37:58.060
Smaller community.

1036
00:37:58.139 --> 00:37:58.820
At the time,

1037
00:37:58.899 --> 00:38:02.919
I think it was the smaller community that was most on my

1038
00:38:03.120 --> 00:38:04.040
radar.

1039
00:38:04.459 --> 00:38:05.120
Um,

1040
00:38:05.139 --> 00:38:06.189
I liked

1041
00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:09.439
knowing that there was a starting point

1042
00:38:09.939 --> 00:38:11.639
for meeting people

1043
00:38:11.780 --> 00:38:13.530
and navigating ASU,

1044
00:38:15.379 --> 00:38:15.820
uh,

1045
00:38:15.939 --> 00:38:16.479
which

1046
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.889
can be very large and daunting,

1047
00:38:18.899 --> 00:38:20.379
of where do you begin?

1048
00:38:20.989 --> 00:38:21.659
Um,

1049
00:38:21.669 --> 00:38:23.719
and so that certainly,

1050
00:38:23.989 --> 00:38:24.330
uh,

1051
00:38:24.350 --> 00:38:26.750
was something that drew me to thinking,

1052
00:38:26.830 --> 00:38:28.090
I think this will be

1053
00:38:28.469 --> 00:38:30.649
a place that I can be

1054
00:38:31.350 --> 00:38:32.169
successful,

1055
00:38:32.389 --> 00:38:33.189
I can

1056
00:38:33.530 --> 00:38:34.370
learn,

1057
00:38:34.750 --> 00:38:35.260
uh,

1058
00:38:35.270 --> 00:38:36.729
and set myself up,

1059
00:38:37.270 --> 00:38:37.889
uh,

1060
00:38:38.149 --> 00:38:38.850
for a career,

1061
00:38:38.989 --> 00:38:40.290
whatever that may be.

1062
00:38:41.989 --> 00:38:42.459
So,

1063
00:38:42.469 --> 00:38:44.889
following up on a couple different threads,

1064
00:38:45.310 --> 00:38:48.449
since you just mentioned the violin performance again,

1065
00:38:49.070 --> 00:38:49.649
and

1066
00:38:50.149 --> 00:38:50.669
your career,

1067
00:38:50.750 --> 00:38:51.899
whatever it might be,

1068
00:38:52.030 --> 00:38:53.719
going in a very different direction,

1069
00:38:53.790 --> 00:38:54.030
I mean,

1070
00:38:54.270 --> 00:38:55.050
perhaps there was

1071
00:38:55.310 --> 00:38:57.209
a younger version of you that thought

1072
00:38:57.709 --> 00:39:00.090
she would grow up to be a violin performer.

1073
00:39:01.270 --> 00:39:02.879
I don't know if that's true or not,

1074
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.100
but could you share

1075
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:06.060
some of the

1076
00:39:06.520 --> 00:39:08.659
places and notable people

1077
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.179
with whom you actually have got to still fulfill

1078
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:14.760
some part of that violin side of you,

1079
00:39:14.879 --> 00:39:16.820
despite your career taking a

1080
00:39:17.080 --> 00:39:18.159
very different turn.

1081
00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:20.310
Yes,

1082
00:39:20.560 --> 00:39:23.919
this is one of my favorite things to talk about.

1083
00:39:24.350 --> 00:39:25.129
Um,

1084
00:39:25.350 --> 00:39:26.139
I,

1085
00:39:26.350 --> 00:39:28.500
I did actually know,

1086
00:39:28.790 --> 00:39:29.300
um,

1087
00:39:29.429 --> 00:39:30.649
even while

1088
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:33.090
beginning my studies,

1089
00:39:33.389 --> 00:39:33.860
uh,

1090
00:39:34.020 --> 00:39:37.510
that I was not going to make a career out of performance.

1091
00:39:37.870 --> 00:39:39.209
I always felt

1092
00:39:39.790 --> 00:39:41.409
strongly that,

1093
00:39:41.850 --> 00:39:42.750
um,

1094
00:39:44.429 --> 00:39:46.209
I could find fulfillment

1095
00:39:46.350 --> 00:39:48.610
and enjoyment in doing other

1096
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:50.840
Pursuits?

1097
00:39:51.120 --> 00:39:51.199
Well,

1098
00:39:51.310 --> 00:39:54.060
there are some people that only can find

1099
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.639
enjoyment and fulfillment

1100
00:39:55.919 --> 00:39:57.459
from pursuing an art.

1101
00:39:57.879 --> 00:40:01.100
And so I didn't want to detract from an already very finite

1102
00:40:01.959 --> 00:40:02.689
set of seats,

1103
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:03.629
if you will.

1104
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.659
But I did know that I wanted

1105
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:07.459
um

1106
00:40:07.600 --> 00:40:08.300
to

1107
00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:11.260
remain engaged for the rest of my life.

1108
00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:15.199
I now call myself a full-time audience member

1109
00:40:15.379 --> 00:40:17.239
rather than a full-time musician.

1110
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:18.520
Um,

1111
00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:20.270
I think this year so far I'm

1112
00:40:20.820 --> 00:40:23.379
at 38 performances so far this year,

1113
00:40:23.500 --> 00:40:24.169
so I feel like

1114
00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:25.149
that.

1115
00:40:26.080 --> 00:40:26.110
That's,

1116
00:40:28.459 --> 00:40:29.439
it really is,

1117
00:40:29.449 --> 00:40:29.899
Stephanie,

1118
00:40:29.979 --> 00:40:31.060
it really is.

1119
00:40:31.580 --> 00:40:31.870
But,

1120
00:40:31.939 --> 00:40:32.179
you know,

1121
00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:35.600
there are ways that music has

1122
00:40:36.100 --> 00:40:38.360
intertwined itself.

1123
00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:39.459
Um,

1124
00:40:39.580 --> 00:40:41.840
even in the most unexpected ways,

1125
00:40:41.939 --> 00:40:42.340
um,

1126
00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:44.760
while working at the US embassy,

1127
00:40:45.340 --> 00:40:45.889
um,

1128
00:40:46.060 --> 00:40:50.719
we hosted an evening of the female ambassadors

1129
00:40:51.100 --> 00:40:52.239
to Finland,

1130
00:40:52.659 --> 00:40:53.100
um,

1131
00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:54.719
and the

1132
00:40:55.770 --> 00:40:57.080
One of the ambassadors,

1133
00:40:57.169 --> 00:40:57.750
um,

1134
00:40:57.810 --> 00:40:59.389
there happened to be the

1135
00:41:00.739 --> 00:41:02.290
Ambassador from Poland.

1136
00:41:02.979 --> 00:41:05.679
And so I was able to talk to her about

1137
00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:09.860
my undergraduate honors thesis on Grazinna Batsevich,

1138
00:41:10.020 --> 00:41:15.219
and she was just lit up when she found out someone actually knew

1139
00:41:15.620 --> 00:41:17.010
who this was

1140
00:41:17.780 --> 00:41:23.919
really outside of Poland and was excited to talk about her music and contribution

1141
00:41:24.260 --> 00:41:26.780
um to culture in the country.

1142
00:41:27.540 --> 00:41:29.739
I've found that

1143
00:41:29.949 --> 00:41:34.030
uh I have brought colleagues over time to performances

1144
00:41:34.030 --> 00:41:36.879
as a way of let's do something a little different

1145
00:41:37.149 --> 00:41:38.449
in terms of,

1146
00:41:38.510 --> 00:41:39.320
uh,

1147
00:41:39.709 --> 00:41:40.030
you know,

1148
00:41:40.189 --> 00:41:42.429
some bonding time after work.

1149
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.479
Uh,

1150
00:41:44.600 --> 00:41:48.219
I found really that attending performances,

1151
00:41:48.600 --> 00:41:49.379
um,

1152
00:41:49.600 --> 00:41:50.939
is a little bit of,

1153
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:51.709
uh,

1154
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:52.600
a retreat.

1155
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.020
It's one of the few sacrosanct places

1156
00:41:56.439 --> 00:41:57.260
in the

1157
00:41:57.520 --> 00:41:58.860
21st century

1158
00:41:59.560 --> 00:42:01.780
where you still put away your phone

1159
00:42:02.040 --> 00:42:05.020
and you're not looking at it during the performance.

1160
00:42:05.659 --> 00:42:07.780
And sometimes

1161
00:42:08.100 --> 00:42:14.040
I'm able to sit there and really be immersed in the artistic performance

1162
00:42:14.419 --> 00:42:15.500
on stage,

1163
00:42:15.699 --> 00:42:17.520
and sometimes I actually

1164
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:20.159
problem solve issues from work,

1165
00:42:20.310 --> 00:42:23.919
and just that gear that was stuck is released,

1166
00:42:24.310 --> 00:42:24.979
um,

1167
00:42:25.100 --> 00:42:27.780
and it's a productive performance.

1168
00:42:28.340 --> 00:42:28.820
Uh,

1169
00:42:28.889 --> 00:42:29.919
and so,

1170
00:42:30.020 --> 00:42:31.820
I think it's something that's very,

1171
00:42:31.899 --> 00:42:32.639
very special.

1172
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:34.439
It's something that I treasure,

1173
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:35.429
uh,

1174
00:42:35.449 --> 00:42:36.520
in my life.

1175
00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:37.790
Um,

1176
00:42:37.979 --> 00:42:38.879
my last

1177
00:42:39.020 --> 00:42:41.100
little tidbit I'll share with you,

1178
00:42:41.229 --> 00:42:41.699
Stephanie,

1179
00:42:41.939 --> 00:42:42.840
because it has,

1180
00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:43.199
uh,

1181
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:44.959
an ASU connection.

1182
00:42:46.060 --> 00:42:46.739
Uh,

1183
00:42:46.899 --> 00:42:50.360
in 2021,

1184
00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:51.209
um,

1185
00:42:51.219 --> 00:42:53.280
I had finished the job,

1186
00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:54.010
uh,

1187
00:42:54.020 --> 00:42:55.959
that took me to Washington DC.

1188
00:42:56.459 --> 00:42:57.840
It was still,

1189
00:42:58.139 --> 00:42:59.010
um,

1190
00:43:00.010 --> 00:43:03.080
Pretty limited in terms of engagement,

1191
00:43:03.379 --> 00:43:03.850
um,

1192
00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:06.600
because of COVID-19 at the time.

1193
00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:07.659
Um,

1194
00:43:07.699 --> 00:43:11.889
and while I was figuring out what I wanted to do next with my career,

1195
00:43:11.979 --> 00:43:12.340
I thought,

1196
00:43:12.419 --> 00:43:12.560
well,

1197
00:43:12.580 --> 00:43:14.409
I have no excuses now.

1198
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:19.120
It's time to get the cobwebs out of my fingers and do some violin practicing.

1199
00:43:20.179 --> 00:43:23.280
And I happened to know that one of my

1200
00:43:23.419 --> 00:43:25.280
ASU classmates,

1201
00:43:25.659 --> 00:43:26.270
uh,

1202
00:43:26.439 --> 00:43:28.780
was living in Baltimore,

1203
00:43:28.979 --> 00:43:29.100
well,

1204
00:43:29.260 --> 00:43:29.659
Maryland,

1205
00:43:29.780 --> 00:43:31.100
while I lived in Arlington,

1206
00:43:31.219 --> 00:43:32.040
Virginia,

1207
00:43:32.379 --> 00:43:34.340
and so I reached out and said,

1208
00:43:34.419 --> 00:43:34.820
you know,

1209
00:43:35.020 --> 00:43:36.620
we've always brainstormed.

1210
00:43:37.590 --> 00:43:38.969
Doing some playing together,

1211
00:43:39.590 --> 00:43:40.550
I play violin,

1212
00:43:40.669 --> 00:43:42.010
he played bassoon,

1213
00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:45.409
he'd actually found some repertoire specifically

1214
00:43:45.790 --> 00:43:49.090
composed for that somewhat obscure ensemble.

1215
00:43:49.550 --> 00:43:50.149
Um,

1216
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:55.939
and so we formed a duo and started performing as the Arlene Moore Quartet or duo.

1217
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:56.879
Um,

1218
00:43:56.959 --> 00:44:01.409
and so that was a way where my ASU network

1219
00:44:01.669 --> 00:44:03.100
brought me back together,

1220
00:44:03.469 --> 00:44:03.870
uh,

1221
00:44:03.959 --> 00:44:06.199
and music brought me back together,

1222
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:06.909
uh,

1223
00:44:07.040 --> 00:44:07.899
and that was

1224
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:09.860
really great fun,

1225
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:11.080
um,

1226
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:12.169
and,

1227
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:12.860
uh,

1228
00:44:12.870 --> 00:44:14.040
a way to,

1229
00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:16.739
to continue playing at the same time.

1230
00:44:18.040 --> 00:44:19.500
I love that story.

1231
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.239
And didn't you get to solo

1232
00:44:22.649 --> 00:44:24.120
for the president at some point?

1233
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:25.560
And which president was that?

1234
00:44:26.860 --> 00:44:27.699
I have,

1235
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:28.010
you,

1236
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:28.419
yes,

1237
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:31.459
I've had the privilege of playing for,

1238
00:44:32.100 --> 00:44:32.570
um,

1239
00:44:32.580 --> 00:44:33.699
President Bush,

1240
00:44:34.379 --> 00:44:36.560
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor,

1241
00:44:37.100 --> 00:44:37.620
um,

1242
00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:39.270
and at the time,

1243
00:44:39.459 --> 00:44:41.919
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

1244
00:44:42.580 --> 00:44:45.679
So those are three moments that I certainly

1245
00:44:46.290 --> 00:44:47.080
treasure,

1246
00:44:47.139 --> 00:44:47.590
uh,

1247
00:44:47.620 --> 00:44:48.379
a great,

1248
00:44:48.620 --> 00:44:49.840
great deal.

1249
00:44:50.179 --> 00:44:50.449
Um,

1250
00:44:50.580 --> 00:44:52.300
growing up in Arizona,

1251
00:44:52.500 --> 00:44:55.870
Justice O'Connor was a little bit of a personal hero.

1252
00:44:56.780 --> 00:44:57.510
Um,

1253
00:44:57.590 --> 00:44:59.209
I think I prepared

1254
00:44:59.429 --> 00:44:59.810
my

1255
00:45:00.310 --> 00:45:02.649
Barrett and ASU writing chops,

1256
00:45:02.709 --> 00:45:02.979
um,

1257
00:45:02.989 --> 00:45:04.169
in high school,

1258
00:45:04.350 --> 00:45:04.729
doing,

1259
00:45:05.070 --> 00:45:05.300
uh,

1260
00:45:05.310 --> 00:45:08.330
National History Day and writing on Justice O'Connor.

1261
00:45:08.790 --> 00:45:09.229
Um,

1262
00:45:09.350 --> 00:45:13.050
so having the opportunity to play for her was really

1263
00:45:13.379 --> 00:45:15.189
cherry on top of a lifetime.

1264
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:17.120
Very nice.

1265
00:45:17.870 --> 00:45:20.659
You mentioned a moment ago about

1266
00:45:21.699 --> 00:45:22.989
Being in a gap

1267
00:45:23.260 --> 00:45:25.500
or a transition in your career.

1268
00:45:25.899 --> 00:45:26.500
And

1269
00:45:26.739 --> 00:45:29.399
I did want to learn more about when you

1270
00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:30.479
left

1271
00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:34.280
Helsinki and maybe pivoted towards what

1272
00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:35.399
is

1273
00:45:35.899 --> 00:45:37.379
a different direction,

1274
00:45:37.699 --> 00:45:40.649
though I'm sure there's a Venn diagram overlap in terms of,

1275
00:45:40.689 --> 00:45:41.639
of the global.

1276
00:45:43.090 --> 00:45:45.479
Thought and perspective involved,

1277
00:45:45.540 --> 00:45:46.300
but you,

1278
00:45:46.469 --> 00:45:48.879
you pivoted towards finance,

1279
00:45:49.379 --> 00:45:49.840
and

1280
00:45:50.020 --> 00:45:54.649
I'm not sure that that would have been predicted from your educational background,

1281
00:45:54.979 --> 00:45:55.699
though you

1282
00:45:56.139 --> 00:45:58.679
haven't told us yet about your Yale masters.

1283
00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:01.030
Yeah,

1284
00:46:01.250 --> 00:46:01.659
so,

1285
00:46:01.929 --> 00:46:02.870
I think,

1286
00:46:03.129 --> 00:46:03.929
uh,

1287
00:46:04.209 --> 00:46:06.310
as a parallel to

1288
00:46:06.689 --> 00:46:08.229
what was a natural

1289
00:46:08.489 --> 00:46:11.149
organic unfolding of my

1290
00:46:11.389 --> 00:46:12.889
ASU degrees,

1291
00:46:13.449 --> 00:46:14.110
the

1292
00:46:14.250 --> 00:46:16.959
various chapters of my career have

1293
00:46:18.419 --> 00:46:19.760
had a similar

1294
00:46:20.100 --> 00:46:21.639
organic unfolding.

1295
00:46:22.060 --> 00:46:22.489
Um,

1296
00:46:22.540 --> 00:46:27.520
after working um with Ambassador Barrett in Finland,

1297
00:46:28.179 --> 00:46:29.399
I did work for her

1298
00:46:29.860 --> 00:46:32.540
a few more years back in the US

1299
00:46:32.919 --> 00:46:37.310
and then went to business school at Yale

1300
00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:38.949
uh for an MBA

1301
00:46:39.570 --> 00:46:43.399
in part because one thing that I was observing.

1302
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:44.719
Um,

1303
00:46:44.919 --> 00:46:45.669
was

1304
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:46.820
a common

1305
00:46:47.439 --> 00:46:51.459
theme when something maybe wasn't perfectly executed.

1306
00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:53.739
There tended to be

1307
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:55.300
a theme of

1308
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.199
finance to it.

1309
00:46:57.919 --> 00:47:02.260
And I did not speak the language of balance sheets and income statements

1310
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.620
to be proactive about anticipating

1311
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.459
and addressing those issues.

1312
00:47:07.570 --> 00:47:08.090
So I thought,

1313
00:47:08.169 --> 00:47:08.310
well,

1314
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:09.820
if I go to business school,

1315
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:10.610
uh,

1316
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:11.780
I'll add that

1317
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:13.760
tool to my toolbox.

1318
00:47:14.689 --> 00:47:15.449
Um,

1319
00:47:15.689 --> 00:47:19.590
I did go to business school

1320
00:47:19.810 --> 00:47:22.879
with a very open mind about what my,

1321
00:47:22.889 --> 00:47:23.639
um,

1322
00:47:24.250 --> 00:47:26.530
postgraduate career might

1323
00:47:26.770 --> 00:47:27.510
look like,

1324
00:47:28.169 --> 00:47:29.479
with one exception,

1325
00:47:29.570 --> 00:47:31.270
I did not want to do finance.

1326
00:47:32.590 --> 00:47:33.189
Uh,

1327
00:47:33.310 --> 00:47:35.510
and it turned out,

1328
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:35.989
uh,

1329
00:47:36.100 --> 00:47:37.100
in the vein of,

1330
00:47:37.429 --> 00:47:37.629
you know,

1331
00:47:37.790 --> 00:47:38.689
practicing

1332
00:47:38.830 --> 00:47:41.129
what I learned while at Barrett,

1333
00:47:41.469 --> 00:47:41.800
um,

1334
00:47:41.909 --> 00:47:42.969
you never know

1335
00:47:43.219 --> 00:47:44.510
where luck will strike you,

1336
00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:45.850
but put yourself

1337
00:47:46.189 --> 00:47:48.790
in spots where luck can strike you.

1338
00:47:49.429 --> 00:47:50.100
Um,

1339
00:47:50.179 --> 00:47:52.810
I attended a presentation,

1340
00:47:52.909 --> 00:47:53.510
um,

1341
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:55.850
one lunch that I had free

1342
00:47:56.330 --> 00:47:58.709
by an alum of the university,

1343
00:47:59.110 --> 00:47:59.580
uh,

1344
00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:00.590
and

1345
00:48:00.949 --> 00:48:01.659
all of the,

1346
00:48:01.750 --> 00:48:03.620
the top finance students were there and they

1347
00:48:03.620 --> 00:48:06.330
were asking questions that I did not understand.

1348
00:48:06.790 --> 00:48:09.010
But I did understand

1349
00:48:09.669 --> 00:48:11.949
one of the topics the speaker addressed,

1350
00:48:12.070 --> 00:48:13.050
which was

1351
00:48:13.310 --> 00:48:17.750
the evolution of legislation being passed in Congress.

1352
00:48:18.389 --> 00:48:20.530
shaping the world of finance

1353
00:48:20.870 --> 00:48:22.889
after the great financial crisis.

1354
00:48:23.620 --> 00:48:25.070
That I understood.

1355
00:48:25.209 --> 00:48:26.149
And so

1356
00:48:26.370 --> 00:48:28.090
I went up afterwards,

1357
00:48:28.729 --> 00:48:29.709
gave him my

1358
00:48:29.850 --> 00:48:34.830
22nd spiel about why I was in business school to learn finance.

1359
00:48:35.209 --> 00:48:36.709
I confessed

1360
00:48:37.090 --> 00:48:41.790
I did not understand what a trading floor did,

1361
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:42.419
um,

1362
00:48:42.689 --> 00:48:45.949
despite my classes about efficient capital markets.

1363
00:48:46.209 --> 00:48:48.469
I just couldn't wrap my head around it.

1364
00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:50.439
Um,

1365
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:54.760
I found his remarks about legislation in Congress insightful

1366
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.000
and shared a little of my background in that,

1367
00:48:57.479 --> 00:48:59.500
and asked if I could invite myself

1368
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.919
to come see a trading floor.

1369
00:49:02.939 --> 00:49:06.800
Little did I know that one does not normally invite yourself to a trading for.

1370
00:49:07.590 --> 00:49:07.949
Uh,

1371
00:49:08.070 --> 00:49:09.889
which he promptly informed me,

1372
00:49:10.350 --> 00:49:10.669
uh,

1373
00:49:10.820 --> 00:49:11.830
and then said,

1374
00:49:11.989 --> 00:49:12.889
why

1375
00:49:13.350 --> 00:49:15.409
do you think you can just invite yourself?

1376
00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:16.899
And I said,

1377
00:49:16.979 --> 00:49:17.479
well,

1378
00:49:18.290 --> 00:49:21.209
I figure the worst you're going to tell me is no,

1379
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.030
and I'll be no worse off than I am now.

1380
00:49:24.899 --> 00:49:25.739
And

1381
00:49:25.899 --> 00:49:26.889
he commented,

1382
00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:29.379
good risk management analysis.

1383
00:49:30.189 --> 00:49:31.469
And took my business card.

1384
00:49:31.629 --> 00:49:33.010
So fast forward,

1385
00:49:33.310 --> 00:49:33.530
uh,

1386
00:49:33.989 --> 00:49:38.780
I thought I was spending an afternoon seeing a trading floor.

1387
00:49:38.830 --> 00:49:42.810
It turned out I spent the afternoon interviewing across the trading floor,

1388
00:49:43.489 --> 00:49:43.500
uh,

1389
00:49:43.590 --> 00:49:45.520
and at the end of the day,

1390
00:49:45.590 --> 00:49:45.600
um,

1391
00:49:46.909 --> 00:49:51.110
was really privileged to be offered an opportunity to intern there

1392
00:49:51.469 --> 00:49:54.270
during my MBA internship summer.

1393
00:49:54.969 --> 00:49:55.449
Um,

1394
00:49:55.570 --> 00:49:56.110
so,

1395
00:49:56.330 --> 00:49:57.189
I

1396
00:49:57.709 --> 00:50:00.129
rotated through fixed income,

1397
00:50:00.340 --> 00:50:00.810
um,

1398
00:50:00.969 --> 00:50:03.310
which would be trading debt

1399
00:50:03.770 --> 00:50:04.889
of companies,

1400
00:50:04.969 --> 00:50:06.469
municipalities,

1401
00:50:06.850 --> 00:50:07.520
um,

1402
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.969
and really found my home in municipal finance,

1403
00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:11.989
which is

1404
00:50:12.330 --> 00:50:15.159
public financing in the United States.

1405
00:50:15.530 --> 00:50:18.110
So if you think about a bond,

1406
00:50:18.169 --> 00:50:18.389
uh,

1407
00:50:18.489 --> 00:50:19.570
ballot initiative,

1408
00:50:20.020 --> 00:50:22.360
That maybe ask you to vote on

1409
00:50:22.620 --> 00:50:26.600
raising property taxes to build a new school in the community

1410
00:50:26.939 --> 00:50:32.899
or fund new public safety or roads or sewers.

1411
00:50:33.780 --> 00:50:35.800
I often describe it as

1412
00:50:36.860 --> 00:50:41.159
Municipal finance works on things you don't pay attention to until they break.

1413
00:50:41.909 --> 00:50:44.090
And then they really impact your life.

1414
00:50:44.550 --> 00:50:44.949
Um,

1415
00:50:45.070 --> 00:50:49.679
so I was invited to work on the municipal bond trading desk.

1416
00:50:50.709 --> 00:50:51.459
Um,

1417
00:50:51.709 --> 00:50:52.550
and

1418
00:50:52.949 --> 00:50:56.500
the rest is sort of history in terms of that next chapter.

1419
00:50:56.790 --> 00:50:59.580
The environment was the opposite of diplomacy,

1420
00:50:59.909 --> 00:51:01.379
but it was

1421
00:51:01.550 --> 00:51:03.060
extremely fast-paced.

1422
00:51:03.510 --> 00:51:05.379
I liked at the end of the day,

1423
00:51:05.629 --> 00:51:06.129
you

1424
00:51:06.590 --> 00:51:08.850
really knew if you made a good decision

1425
00:51:08.850 --> 00:51:11.810
or a poor decision because there was a scorecard

1426
00:51:12.149 --> 00:51:13.729
on the trading desks,

1427
00:51:13.949 --> 00:51:14.580
um,

1428
00:51:14.590 --> 00:51:16.850
balance sheet there of positions.

1429
00:51:17.379 --> 00:51:18.330
Um,

1430
00:51:18.419 --> 00:51:19.479
and

1431
00:51:19.620 --> 00:51:20.959
found my little niche.

1432
00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:25.290
Thank you for explaining that.

1433
00:51:25.419 --> 00:51:26.800
I'm sure it will be

1434
00:51:27.419 --> 00:51:28.479
fascinating

1435
00:51:28.620 --> 00:51:30.060
to students who,

1436
00:51:30.419 --> 00:51:33.360
who think they're gonna be in the same kind of career forever,

1437
00:51:33.580 --> 00:51:34.540
but in fact,

1438
00:51:34.620 --> 00:51:39.239
we can have career shifts and marry a lot of different jobs within a given career.

1439
00:51:39.899 --> 00:51:40.500
And

1440
00:51:41.030 --> 00:51:42.969
I think one of the ones that we,

1441
00:51:43.110 --> 00:51:47.489
we skipped over between Helsinki and what you just described is when you were

1442
00:51:47.949 --> 00:51:51.729
the director of Global strategy and senior advisor

1443
00:51:51.899 --> 00:51:53.979
to the 25th Secretary of the Air Force,

1444
00:51:54.070 --> 00:51:55.260
which was Barbara Barrett.

1445
00:51:55.300 --> 00:51:55.889
That's that

1446
00:51:56.110 --> 00:51:57.530
few years you talked about.

1447
00:51:58.189 --> 00:51:59.169
How was

1448
00:51:59.629 --> 00:51:59.909
that?

1449
00:52:01.270 --> 00:52:03.110
Different or what did you learn?

1450
00:52:03.229 --> 00:52:03.429
I mean,

1451
00:52:03.510 --> 00:52:05.929
I do have students who are interested in

1452
00:52:06.429 --> 00:52:08.149
military kinds of connections,

1453
00:52:08.270 --> 00:52:08.620
so

1454
00:52:09.510 --> 00:52:10.590
You've had diplomacy,

1455
00:52:10.699 --> 00:52:12.310
you've got a little military connection,

1456
00:52:12.350 --> 00:52:13.189
you've got finance,

1457
00:52:13.270 --> 00:52:15.909
that's that interdisciplinarity that's interesting.

1458
00:52:17.590 --> 00:52:18.020
Yes,

1459
00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:20.010
so I,

1460
00:52:20.310 --> 00:52:21.209
um,

1461
00:52:21.909 --> 00:52:23.409
worked in two roles,

1462
00:52:23.419 --> 00:52:24.260
um,

1463
00:52:24.270 --> 00:52:25.669
in finance,

1464
00:52:25.750 --> 00:52:27.409
and during that time,

1465
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:29.729
stayed in touch with Ambassador Barrett.

1466
00:52:30.110 --> 00:52:30.810
Um,

1467
00:52:31.399 --> 00:52:33.929
I did have the privilege when she

1468
00:52:34.350 --> 00:52:39.729
asked if I would come and work for her a second time on her team when she became

1469
00:52:40.229 --> 00:52:41.790
Secretary of the Air Force,

1470
00:52:42.110 --> 00:52:42.379
um,

1471
00:52:42.469 --> 00:52:43.979
which required me to move to,

1472
00:52:44.189 --> 00:52:46.209
to DC to work at the Pentagon.

1473
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:47.330
Um,

1474
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:48.050
it was

1475
00:52:48.290 --> 00:52:53.209
a little bit of a vote of confidence from a mentor that I highly respect

1476
00:52:53.610 --> 00:52:55.919
to be invited to something like that.

1477
00:52:56.370 --> 00:52:57.830
It was also,

1478
00:52:58.570 --> 00:52:58.939
uh,

1479
00:52:58.969 --> 00:53:00.709
a bit of a challenge,

1480
00:53:01.010 --> 00:53:01.679
uh,

1481
00:53:01.689 --> 00:53:03.030
for me to see,

1482
00:53:03.340 --> 00:53:04.300
can I navigate

1483
00:53:04.540 --> 00:53:05.870
a completely

1484
00:53:06.409 --> 00:53:07.310
new,

1485
00:53:07.689 --> 00:53:09.090
quite foreign,

1486
00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:11.790
extraordinarily large

1487
00:53:12.850 --> 00:53:13.270
organization.

1488
00:53:13.949 --> 00:53:14.629
Um,

1489
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:15.709
and

1490
00:53:16.070 --> 00:53:16.949
can I

1491
00:53:17.389 --> 00:53:18.129
pivot

1492
00:53:18.419 --> 00:53:24.689
to get up to speed quickly on national security topics that I previously was not.

1493
00:53:25.949 --> 00:53:26.770
Delving into

1494
00:53:27.149 --> 00:53:27.870
day to day.

1495
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:29.239
Um,

1496
00:53:29.750 --> 00:53:31.290
it also turned out,

1497
00:53:31.550 --> 00:53:32.270
uh,

1498
00:53:32.350 --> 00:53:33.810
that my

1499
00:53:33.989 --> 00:53:35.370
time in the role

1500
00:53:35.709 --> 00:53:37.129
was as

1501
00:53:37.520 --> 00:53:38.850
COVID-19

1502
00:53:39.229 --> 00:53:39.729
sort of

1503
00:53:39.909 --> 00:53:41.389
began unleashing,

1504
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:42.060
uh,

1505
00:53:42.070 --> 00:53:43.080
upon the world.

1506
00:53:43.100 --> 00:53:44.070
And so,

1507
00:53:44.550 --> 00:53:49.870
not only was I learning new processes and procedures and people and

1508
00:53:50.570 --> 00:53:52.530
Insignia on uniforms,

1509
00:53:52.709 --> 00:53:57.070
but all of the processes and procedures were in flux at the time.

1510
00:53:57.610 --> 00:53:58.389
Um,

1511
00:53:58.689 --> 00:54:00.229
I did approach it though

1512
00:54:00.489 --> 00:54:01.110
with,

1513
00:54:01.489 --> 00:54:02.300
uh,

1514
00:54:02.370 --> 00:54:04.030
the attitude of

1515
00:54:04.409 --> 00:54:06.469
there's only upside

1516
00:54:06.919 --> 00:54:07.489
from this.

1517
00:54:07.530 --> 00:54:08.209
I get,

1518
00:54:08.449 --> 00:54:08.830
uh,

1519
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.149
an opportunity to serve my country and give back a little bit.

1520
00:54:13.929 --> 00:54:15.669
And I also get to learn

1521
00:54:15.929 --> 00:54:16.590
from

1522
00:54:16.969 --> 00:54:19.379
literally battle-tested leaders,

1523
00:54:19.689 --> 00:54:20.090
uh,

1524
00:54:20.209 --> 00:54:22.110
so it's a bit of a pinch me moment,

1525
00:54:22.250 --> 00:54:22.610
um,

1526
00:54:22.729 --> 00:54:24.949
to have such a phenomenal opportunity.

1527
00:54:25.929 --> 00:54:27.110
I think one thing,

1528
00:54:27.370 --> 00:54:27.959
um,

1529
00:54:27.969 --> 00:54:28.520
Stephanie,

1530
00:54:28.530 --> 00:54:29.489
is you.

1531
00:54:30.969 --> 00:54:31.760
Mentioned and,

1532
00:54:31.770 --> 00:54:35.239
and maybe tying it in back for

1533
00:54:36.379 --> 00:54:38.919
To ASU and Barrett,

1534
00:54:38.979 --> 00:54:39.800
um,

1535
00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:42.080
I think a lot of

1536
00:54:42.739 --> 00:54:45.840
the way that I've approached my career

1537
00:54:46.459 --> 00:54:49.139
was built on the foundations of

1538
00:54:50.179 --> 00:54:52.159
My experience as a student.

1539
00:54:52.659 --> 00:54:53.370
Um,

1540
00:54:53.459 --> 00:54:54.250
I think

1541
00:54:54.989 --> 00:54:58.590
I learned to take initiative to design

1542
00:54:59.270 --> 00:55:01.409
the education that I wanted.

1543
00:55:01.949 --> 00:55:02.149
Um,

1544
00:55:02.189 --> 00:55:04.229
I sort of followed my nose when I heard

1545
00:55:04.229 --> 00:55:08.330
about an interesting tech class or opportunity on campus,

1546
00:55:08.909 --> 00:55:09.500
um,

1547
00:55:09.709 --> 00:55:12.929
and that's really sort of followed me into how I built

1548
00:55:13.149 --> 00:55:14.899
my professional career of

1549
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.260
Follow interesting talented leaders,

1550
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:19.479
um,

1551
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:19.830
and,

1552
00:55:19.919 --> 00:55:21.620
and unique opportunities,

1553
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:22.179
like

1554
00:55:22.520 --> 00:55:24.179
what took me to the Pentagon.

1555
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:25.439
Um,

1556
00:55:25.479 --> 00:55:28.879
I think in the vein of thinking about the Pentagon,

1557
00:55:28.959 --> 00:55:30.899
which at its height generally has

1558
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:34.790
25,000 people working within it,

1559
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:37.570
or the Department of the Air Force.

1560
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:39.399
With

1561
00:55:39.739 --> 00:55:43.729
um thousands and thousands of not only

1562
00:55:44.729 --> 00:55:45.590
Uh,

1563
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:47.739
People in

1564
00:55:48.439 --> 00:55:49.719
in uniform,

1565
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.840
but also their families that are part of

1566
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.620
that experience of serving serving the country,

1567
00:55:56.239 --> 00:55:57.020
um.

1568
00:55:57.439 --> 00:55:57.449
I,

1569
00:55:57.560 --> 00:55:59.000
I got my,

1570
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:00.780
my toes wet

1571
00:56:00.979 --> 00:56:03.510
navigating ASU because at the time,

1572
00:56:03.520 --> 00:56:05.399
ASU was very vast

1573
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:06.520
for me.

1574
00:56:06.669 --> 00:56:07.120
Um,

1575
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:09.669
there were a plethora of courses and degrees,

1576
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:11.290
the same as,

1577
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:12.179
um,

1578
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.939
the Pentagon had a plethora of

1579
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:17.219
new topics and

1580
00:56:17.510 --> 00:56:21.620
people to meet and understand what their role was and

1581
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.840
how things got done and who needed what when.

1582
00:56:25.300 --> 00:56:25.909
Um,

1583
00:56:25.949 --> 00:56:29.030
I think learning to reach out to professors

1584
00:56:29.469 --> 00:56:31.489
for mentorship and advice,

1585
00:56:31.830 --> 00:56:32.270
um,

1586
00:56:32.429 --> 00:56:34.169
while I was a student helped

1587
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:37.129
sort of narrow the aperture of choices

1588
00:56:37.590 --> 00:56:40.669
that I had and made it feel a bit less overwhelming,

1589
00:56:41.100 --> 00:56:42.929
and that's really a skill.

1590
00:56:43.550 --> 00:56:45.129
I continue to utilize,

1591
00:56:45.909 --> 00:56:47.409
the onus is on me

1592
00:56:47.949 --> 00:56:50.469
to identify the menu of options that

1593
00:56:50.469 --> 00:56:53.790
I'm considering and maybe make a recommendation

1594
00:56:54.189 --> 00:56:54.909
or two,

1595
00:56:55.030 --> 00:56:59.330
but then seeking out the insights of colleagues and mentors

1596
00:56:59.790 --> 00:57:02.330
to fine tune that decision.

1597
00:57:02.790 --> 00:57:03.310
Um,

1598
00:57:03.350 --> 00:57:06.350
I don't think I realized that in the moment while a student,

1599
00:57:06.469 --> 00:57:06.929
but

1600
00:57:07.429 --> 00:57:09.810
I was getting to practice that.

1601
00:57:10.270 --> 00:57:11.030
Um,

1602
00:57:11.189 --> 00:57:11.929
I think.

1603
00:57:14.179 --> 00:57:15.500
One of my

1604
00:57:16.409 --> 00:57:16.969
Overall,

1605
00:57:17.010 --> 00:57:19.189
just favorite things when talking to

1606
00:57:19.669 --> 00:57:21.379
to students is the

1607
00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:23.760
buried environments teaching you those skills,

1608
00:57:23.969 --> 00:57:26.110
even when you don't realize it.

1609
00:57:26.489 --> 00:57:27.379
Um,

1610
00:57:27.770 --> 00:57:29.550
and I think that's

1611
00:57:29.770 --> 00:57:32.000
one of the phenomenal gifts of

1612
00:57:32.899 --> 00:57:33.479
That

1613
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:37.110
vast ecosystem AS of ASU with that

1614
00:57:37.540 --> 00:57:38.439
more curated,

1615
00:57:38.979 --> 00:57:41.760
manageably sized community of Barrett,

1616
00:57:42.020 --> 00:57:42.600
um,

1617
00:57:42.659 --> 00:57:43.820
that you get.

1618
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:50.080
To learn the lessons of those two very disparately sized organizations.

1619
00:57:52.169 --> 00:57:54.149
You've mentioned that you,

1620
00:57:54.570 --> 00:57:56.149
you talked to students.

1621
00:57:57.149 --> 00:57:59.520
In what context does that happen and,

1622
00:57:59.870 --> 00:58:00.449
and

1623
00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:02.209
tell us more about

1624
00:58:02.989 --> 00:58:03.580
your

1625
00:58:04.060 --> 00:58:05.840
engagement with student success.

1626
00:58:07.570 --> 00:58:07.889
Oh,

1627
00:58:08.050 --> 00:58:08.330
well,

1628
00:58:08.489 --> 00:58:09.169
I,

1629
00:58:09.689 --> 00:58:11.350
I always find

1630
00:58:12.110 --> 00:58:14.919
The freshness of students to be motivating.

1631
00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:16.449
So it's always

1632
00:58:17.250 --> 00:58:20.810
such a joy to have a chance to interact with them.

1633
00:58:21.149 --> 00:58:21.570
Um,

1634
00:58:21.590 --> 00:58:22.189
I've

1635
00:58:22.409 --> 00:58:25.570
had the privilege of um friends and colleagues,

1636
00:58:25.870 --> 00:58:26.350
uh,

1637
00:58:26.469 --> 00:58:27.689
when they have

1638
00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:29.290
kids or,

1639
00:58:29.300 --> 00:58:33.010
or family extended family members thinking about making,

1640
00:58:33.229 --> 00:58:33.790
um.

1641
00:58:35.110 --> 00:58:35.389
A

1642
00:58:35.780 --> 00:58:37.649
a choice of college,

1643
00:58:38.030 --> 00:58:38.659
um,

1644
00:58:38.790 --> 00:58:39.229
and they say,

1645
00:58:39.310 --> 00:58:39.469
you know,

1646
00:58:39.590 --> 00:58:41.310
we're thinking about Barrett,

1647
00:58:41.750 --> 00:58:42.340
um,

1648
00:58:42.429 --> 00:58:44.510
we hear it has a phenomenal reputation.

1649
00:58:44.629 --> 00:58:46.770
Can you talk to them about what it's like?

1650
00:58:47.350 --> 00:58:48.270
Um,

1651
00:58:48.429 --> 00:58:51.290
and so that's certainly one

1652
00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:54.409
natural venue that often happens.

1653
00:58:54.909 --> 00:58:55.590
Um,

1654
00:58:55.669 --> 00:58:57.860
I do like visiting campus,

1655
00:58:57.949 --> 00:58:58.419
um,

1656
00:58:58.429 --> 00:59:00.270
and speaking with students.

1657
00:59:00.540 --> 00:59:00.810
Um,

1658
00:59:00.830 --> 00:59:01.570
I had

1659
00:59:01.870 --> 00:59:04.969
an opportunity a couple of years ago on,

1660
00:59:05.030 --> 00:59:05.760
um,

1661
00:59:05.770 --> 00:59:07.209
Parents Welcome weekend

1662
00:59:07.969 --> 00:59:10.790
to see not only students but also,

1663
00:59:10.919 --> 00:59:11.649
um,

1664
00:59:11.989 --> 00:59:14.889
their friends and family that were supporting them,

1665
00:59:15.270 --> 00:59:15.780
uh,

1666
00:59:15.909 --> 00:59:16.929
and it

1667
00:59:17.149 --> 00:59:18.389
is just very,

1668
00:59:18.510 --> 00:59:19.310
very

1669
00:59:19.550 --> 00:59:21.929
fulfilling to see the growth.

1670
00:59:22.510 --> 00:59:23.149
Um,

1671
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:24.860
of the school,

1672
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:28.840
while sustaining such a high caliber

1673
00:59:29.080 --> 00:59:30.300
of students.

1674
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:31.659
Um,

1675
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:33.580
I think something that

1676
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:38.699
really resonates with me is the ASU mission of

1677
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:40.459
measuring success,

1678
00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:42.239
not by who we exclude,

1679
00:59:42.830 --> 00:59:45.459
but by who we include if they meet,

1680
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:46.560
um,

1681
00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:48.179
The,

1682
00:59:48.370 --> 00:59:50.189
the requirements of,

1683
00:59:50.580 --> 00:59:53.120
to gain admission to ASU,

1684
00:59:53.659 --> 00:59:54.120
uh,

1685
00:59:54.209 --> 00:59:56.300
I think that's a very empowering

1686
00:59:56.979 --> 01:00:01.620
mission that really resonates through the university fabric.

1687
01:00:02.060 --> 01:00:02.899
Um,

1688
01:00:03.020 --> 01:00:04.169
and so,

1689
01:00:04.580 --> 01:00:05.739
where I can,

1690
01:00:05.899 --> 01:00:07.000
it's a

1691
01:00:07.489 --> 01:00:08.520
really delight

1692
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:09.699
to support that.

1693
01:00:12.209 --> 01:00:13.639
Maybe I'm mistaken,

1694
01:00:13.689 --> 01:00:15.750
but did you have a hand in

1695
01:00:16.010 --> 01:00:18.889
helping create Barrett's Student Success Center?

1696
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.080
I did not have a,

1697
01:00:22.120 --> 01:00:24.040
a hand in creating that,

1698
01:00:24.120 --> 01:00:25.360
but I certainly,

1699
01:00:25.520 --> 01:00:27.939
when I heard about the idea,

1700
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:28.820
um,

1701
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.120
thought it was phenomenal and was uh

1702
01:00:32.850 --> 01:00:34.830
an eager advocate of it.

1703
01:00:34.959 --> 01:00:36.300
I think that

1704
01:00:36.590 --> 01:00:39.379
continuing to bolster

1705
01:00:39.669 --> 01:00:40.459
the

1706
01:00:40.959 --> 01:00:42.340
already phenomenal,

1707
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:43.350
uh,

1708
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:48.419
range of resources for students that faculty and staff provide,

1709
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:49.500
um,

1710
01:00:50.959 --> 01:00:53.760
Sort of just reflects a bit of what Barrett is,

1711
01:00:53.860 --> 01:00:54.179
of

1712
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:55.010
never

1713
01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:55.820
sort of

1714
01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:59.639
resting on laurels of all that's already been accomplished,

1715
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:01.939
but constantly thinking about

1716
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.679
how can we continue to innovate

1717
01:01:05.040 --> 01:01:08.969
and refine what we're offering for students

1718
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:11.100
to set them up for success,

1719
01:01:11.600 --> 01:01:14.000
not just to continually advance Barrett,

1720
01:01:14.030 --> 01:01:17.580
but also in recognition of the career environment

1721
01:01:17.899 --> 01:01:19.919
evolving and therefore,

1722
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:22.000
Needing to adapt

1723
01:01:22.340 --> 01:01:24.100
to ensure students

1724
01:01:24.520 --> 01:01:30.600
year to year are equally well set up with for that evolving career dynamic.

1725
01:01:32.250 --> 01:01:32.770
So,

1726
01:01:33.969 --> 01:01:35.050
One more question,

1727
01:01:35.129 --> 01:01:36.590
unless something

1728
01:01:36.969 --> 01:01:37.949
organically

1729
01:01:38.870 --> 01:01:39.679
Pops up,

1730
01:01:39.870 --> 01:01:41.629
you mentioned your thesis

1731
01:01:42.030 --> 01:01:44.260
that seems to have come from the

1732
01:01:44.260 --> 01:01:47.810
Critical Language Institute experience that you had.

1733
01:01:49.219 --> 01:01:50.879
About a a Polish

1734
01:01:51.449 --> 01:01:52.280
composer.

1735
01:01:54.449 --> 01:01:57.030
What was your thesis experience like,

1736
01:01:57.629 --> 01:02:00.649
besides the fact that that gave you a connection with that

1737
01:02:00.969 --> 01:02:03.070
Polish ambassador years later?

1738
01:02:04.050 --> 01:02:07.010
Tell us about your thesis experience and what you learned from it

1739
01:02:07.010 --> 01:02:10.149
then or maybe how it helped support you for future endeavors.

1740
01:02:11.600 --> 01:02:12.270
Oh.

1741
01:02:13.080 --> 01:02:14.300
That's a fun question,

1742
01:02:14.439 --> 01:02:15.040
Stephanie.

1743
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:16.790
Um,

1744
01:02:18.050 --> 01:02:19.459
So my

1745
01:02:22.239 --> 01:02:23.399
Thesis,

1746
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:24.110
um,

1747
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:24.979
I wrote,

1748
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:26.110
uh,

1749
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:27.679
the written thesis

1750
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.620
and supplemented the delivery of my honors thesis

1751
01:02:31.989 --> 01:02:33.459
with a recital

1752
01:02:34.040 --> 01:02:36.760
featuring the music of Grajanabatsevich.

1753
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:37.800
Um,

1754
01:02:37.959 --> 01:02:38.939
so one,

1755
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:40.139
I think.

1756
01:02:41.209 --> 01:02:42.679
Thinking about

1757
01:02:43.219 --> 01:02:46.360
delivering things in multiple formats

1758
01:02:46.899 --> 01:02:49.719
is something that is always

1759
01:02:50.060 --> 01:02:52.479
maybe percolating in the back of my mind,

1760
01:02:53.340 --> 01:02:54.290
um,

1761
01:02:54.860 --> 01:02:55.300
professionally,

1762
01:02:55.379 --> 01:02:58.320
that's maybe more of how do different audiences

1763
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.600
digest the information I wish to convey,

1764
01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:02.620
um,

1765
01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:04.580
but that's probably has,

1766
01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:04.939
you know,

1767
01:03:05.020 --> 01:03:08.229
it's roots in the framework of presenting the

1768
01:03:09.350 --> 01:03:10.830
Uh my written

1769
01:03:11.889 --> 01:03:12.370
research,

1770
01:03:12.530 --> 01:03:13.080
um,

1771
01:03:13.209 --> 01:03:15.760
giving a lecture about it to the audience,

1772
01:03:15.770 --> 01:03:18.750
and then doing the recital as the second half,

1773
01:03:19.290 --> 01:03:20.280
um,

1774
01:03:22.300 --> 01:03:25.399
That research project was

1775
01:03:26.179 --> 01:03:28.439
perhaps one of the most

1776
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:33.060
daunting that I had undertaken

1777
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:34.540
because there was

1778
01:03:34.919 --> 01:03:35.659
no

1779
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:37.219
shortcut

1780
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:39.239
to translating the material.

1781
01:03:39.560 --> 01:03:41.239
There really was very,

1782
01:03:41.399 --> 01:03:43.659
very limited information in English.

1783
01:03:44.290 --> 01:03:45.530
For me to rely on.

1784
01:03:45.929 --> 01:03:49.830
So I had to complete step one of translating

1785
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:51.310
before

1786
01:03:51.489 --> 01:03:53.389
I could do step two

1787
01:03:53.560 --> 01:03:58.090
of the analyzing and synthesizing and building the analysis.

1788
01:03:58.399 --> 01:03:58.840
Um,

1789
01:03:58.889 --> 01:04:01.350
I have not ever really encountered that

1790
01:04:02.209 --> 01:04:03.709
to quite such a

1791
01:04:03.889 --> 01:04:06.530
literal translation degree subsequently,

1792
01:04:07.080 --> 01:04:08.250
but now that I've done it

1793
01:04:08.409 --> 01:04:09.189
the hard way,

1794
01:04:09.610 --> 01:04:10.649
everything is easier.

1795
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:13.340
I think also,

1796
01:04:16.169 --> 01:04:16.919
Again,

1797
01:04:17.379 --> 01:04:19.239
sort of tying in a

1798
01:04:19.580 --> 01:04:21.429
topic we've touched on of just

1799
01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:25.000
Doing so many things while a student.

1800
01:04:25.379 --> 01:04:25.780
Um,

1801
01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:26.800
I don't think

1802
01:04:26.979 --> 01:04:27.600
I've

1803
01:04:28.219 --> 01:04:29.399
changed that,

1804
01:04:29.659 --> 01:04:31.199
working professionally.

1805
01:04:31.659 --> 01:04:32.280
Um,

1806
01:04:32.300 --> 01:04:33.669
and so,

1807
01:04:34.310 --> 01:04:37.250
Figuring out how to do research.

1808
01:04:38.300 --> 01:04:39.399
Effectively

1809
01:04:39.739 --> 01:04:42.719
has been something I continue to rely on.

1810
01:04:43.219 --> 01:04:43.919
Um,

1811
01:04:43.979 --> 01:04:44.840
I

1812
01:04:45.060 --> 01:04:46.280
arguably

1813
01:04:46.780 --> 01:04:48.199
solidified

1814
01:04:48.530 --> 01:04:49.489
my

1815
01:04:50.429 --> 01:04:51.070
Um,

1816
01:04:51.250 --> 01:04:56.270
full-time job offer out of that internship on the trading floor we talked about

1817
01:04:56.969 --> 01:04:58.310
because of research.

1818
01:04:58.729 --> 01:04:59.429
Um,

1819
01:04:59.570 --> 01:05:00.989
I was

1820
01:05:01.370 --> 01:05:02.229
given what

1821
01:05:02.409 --> 01:05:05.629
I subsequently learned was deemed a fairly

1822
01:05:06.050 --> 01:05:08.949
difficult task of finding out

1823
01:05:09.209 --> 01:05:10.399
an obscure,

1824
01:05:10.570 --> 01:05:13.110
trying to figure out an obscure answer

1825
01:05:13.409 --> 01:05:14.629
to whether

1826
01:05:15.669 --> 01:05:18.909
If credit default swaps existed

1827
01:05:19.149 --> 01:05:21.780
in 1975,

1828
01:05:22.189 --> 01:05:27.320
would New York City have been considered to have defaulted on its debt?

1829
01:05:28.629 --> 01:05:29.629
And

1830
01:05:30.879 --> 01:05:32.719
Like a good Barrett student,

1831
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.419
I went about researching and

1832
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:38.780
found that one of the New York universities,

1833
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:39.120
uh,

1834
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:41.300
fortuitously had scanned

1835
01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:46.300
all the historic documentation related to that point in time and so

1836
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:48.800
went to work digging through primary.

1837
01:05:48.989 --> 01:05:50.209
Resource material,

1838
01:05:50.610 --> 01:05:52.010
building timelines,

1839
01:05:52.250 --> 01:05:53.850
laying out a thesis,

1840
01:05:53.939 --> 01:05:54.600
uh,

1841
01:05:54.649 --> 01:05:55.389
and

1842
01:05:55.889 --> 01:05:56.250
studying,

1843
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:56.870
OK,

1844
01:05:57.209 --> 01:05:58.750
what are the requirements of,

1845
01:05:58.760 --> 01:05:59.000
uh,

1846
01:05:59.010 --> 01:06:02.370
default and what happened in history and putting it together.

1847
01:06:02.689 --> 01:06:03.000
Uh,

1848
01:06:03.050 --> 01:06:03.840
it could have been,

1849
01:06:03.850 --> 01:06:04.389
uh,

1850
01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:05.669
honors,

1851
01:06:06.050 --> 01:06:06.969
uh,

1852
01:06:07.729 --> 01:06:10.709
topic that I might have done if I had been in business school,

1853
01:06:10.969 --> 01:06:13.429
WP Carey at ASU while a student.

1854
01:06:13.969 --> 01:06:14.570
Um,

1855
01:06:14.689 --> 01:06:15.639
and so,

1856
01:06:16.989 --> 01:06:18.229
That was just not even,

1857
01:06:18.389 --> 01:06:20.169
I don't think I thought too much about it.

1858
01:06:20.229 --> 01:06:22.989
It was just a creature of habit if you're given a question,

1859
01:06:23.149 --> 01:06:25.729
go do the research and put together a paper on it.

1860
01:06:26.020 --> 01:06:27.070
Um,

1861
01:06:27.510 --> 01:06:28.489
and I think

1862
01:06:28.909 --> 01:06:30.729
being able to do that in

1863
01:06:30.949 --> 01:06:32.050
just a week or two,

1864
01:06:33.989 --> 01:06:35.330
during that internship,

1865
01:06:35.469 --> 01:06:36.110
um,

1866
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:38.540
Sort of helped me get my foot in the door,

1867
01:06:38.919 --> 01:06:39.379
uh,

1868
01:06:39.439 --> 01:06:42.399
professionally for what's turned out to be the core of my career.

1869
01:06:43.669 --> 01:06:45.610
That's an inspiring story.

1870
01:06:46.939 --> 01:06:49.459
I want to be respectful of your time,

1871
01:06:49.600 --> 01:06:50.219
so we'll,

1872
01:06:50.459 --> 01:06:51.439
we'll wrap up

1873
01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:52.360
now,

1874
01:06:53.060 --> 01:06:53.479
but

1875
01:06:53.699 --> 01:06:54.620
I must admit,

1876
01:06:54.709 --> 01:06:56.879
I'm curious if you see anything

1877
01:06:57.340 --> 01:06:58.379
changing in your future,

1878
01:06:58.459 --> 01:06:59.969
if you think you're gonna pivot again,

1879
01:07:00.020 --> 01:07:00.399
or,

1880
01:07:00.659 --> 01:07:02.080
let me put it this way,

1881
01:07:02.459 --> 01:07:04.639
I hope we can visit again someday

1882
01:07:05.060 --> 01:07:06.530
if you do pivot again,

1883
01:07:06.860 --> 01:07:07.879
because there will be

1884
01:07:08.540 --> 01:07:10.209
interesting lessons to pull from that,

1885
01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:10.550
but.

1886
01:07:11.060 --> 01:07:12.090
We've had a great visit,

1887
01:07:12.179 --> 01:07:14.250
but I wanna make sure if there's anything else

1888
01:07:14.659 --> 01:07:16.320
you'd like to bring up that I,

1889
01:07:16.620 --> 01:07:19.600
I didn't ask about or think to include.

1890
01:07:20.979 --> 01:07:21.570
Stephanie,

1891
01:07:21.770 --> 01:07:22.350
you.

1892
01:07:23.580 --> 01:07:25.310
led such an organic.

1893
01:07:26.149 --> 01:07:27.300
Easy conversation

1894
01:07:28.310 --> 01:07:33.350
and thank you also in advance for just some of the brainstorming topics cause I've

1895
01:07:33.870 --> 01:07:35.120
been noodling on that,

1896
01:07:35.149 --> 01:07:36.649
as I like to say,

1897
01:07:37.149 --> 01:07:37.860
um,

1898
01:07:38.459 --> 01:07:41.899
It took me a moment to remember Hayden East and Hayden West.

1899
01:07:41.979 --> 01:07:42.219
I was like,

1900
01:07:42.270 --> 01:07:43.020
it was Hayden 1,

1901
01:07:43.179 --> 01:07:43.899
Hayden 2,

1902
01:07:44.010 --> 01:07:44.399
so

1903
01:07:44.899 --> 01:07:46.219
thank you for letting me.

1904
01:07:46.969 --> 01:07:49.429
Get the cobwebs out of my brain there.

1905
01:07:49.889 --> 01:07:53.139
I think there's one maybe topic that

1906
01:07:55.790 --> 01:07:58.129
We didn't touch on

1907
01:07:59.669 --> 01:08:01.780
To directly.

1908
01:08:02.919 --> 01:08:04.060
If you have a moment,

1909
01:08:04.439 --> 01:08:05.439
is um

1910
01:08:07.969 --> 01:08:09.969
One of the advantages of

1911
01:08:11.949 --> 01:08:13.860
The honors,

1912
01:08:14.149 --> 01:08:15.020
um,

1913
01:08:15.030 --> 01:08:15.850
coursework

1914
01:08:16.109 --> 01:08:20.089
in sort of bridging the gap between Barrett and ASU.

1915
01:08:21.189 --> 01:08:23.069
Because it really

1916
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:25.620
is an organic,

1917
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.220
that seems to be my word of this conversation.

1918
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:30.140
Um,

1919
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:32.379
it's a very natural way of

1920
01:08:33.488 --> 01:08:35.188
Approaching a professor

1921
01:08:35.408 --> 01:08:35.769
and saying,

1922
01:08:35.849 --> 01:08:36.048
you know,

1923
01:08:36.127 --> 01:08:38.627
I've been sitting in the back of the auditorium.

1924
01:08:38.969 --> 01:08:43.309
I found the subject matter to be very exciting.

1925
01:08:43.688 --> 01:08:44.648
Um,

1926
01:08:45.008 --> 01:08:47.528
I'd like to delve into it a bit deeper.

1927
01:08:48.008 --> 01:08:49.019
Can I make this

1928
01:08:49.167 --> 01:08:50.377
an honors?

1929
01:08:51.290 --> 01:08:54.109
Course and do some supplementary work.

1930
01:08:54.979 --> 01:08:55.700
So one,

1931
01:08:55.899 --> 01:08:56.839
I think it

1932
01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:58.279
connects

1933
01:08:58.459 --> 01:09:00.020
that line of inquiry,

1934
01:09:00.419 --> 01:09:02.979
research for students or whatever they might do,

1935
01:09:03.020 --> 01:09:05.970
extra lab work at the biosciences

1936
01:09:06.330 --> 01:09:07.080
building,

1937
01:09:07.100 --> 01:09:07.919
or

1938
01:09:08.580 --> 01:09:09.520
maybe help

1939
01:09:09.770 --> 01:09:10.720
um the

1940
01:09:10.859 --> 01:09:12.419
professor with their own research,

1941
01:09:12.540 --> 01:09:13.879
but I think that

1942
01:09:14.089 --> 01:09:17.000
bridging that gap between the two

1943
01:09:17.500 --> 01:09:20.259
sort of institutions and not keeping them so siloed,

1944
01:09:20.299 --> 01:09:22.879
but facilitating synergies between them,

1945
01:09:23.259 --> 01:09:24.200
and

1946
01:09:25.589 --> 01:09:28.919
I think it's a way to start building that.

1947
01:09:29.658 --> 01:09:32.618
Professional network really early on.

1948
01:09:33.019 --> 01:09:38.298
Regardless of whether students are continuing on immediately to graduate program

1949
01:09:38.298 --> 01:09:42.758
or professional school or going immediately out into a career field,

1950
01:09:43.538 --> 01:09:47.118
they have that letter of recommendation they may need,

1951
01:09:47.298 --> 01:09:49.278
because they've worked really closely

1952
01:09:49.578 --> 01:09:50.877
with the professor.

1953
01:09:51.099 --> 01:09:51.568
Um,

1954
01:09:51.738 --> 01:09:56.338
you never know where that connection might be useful down the road,

1955
01:09:56.458 --> 01:09:58.199
where you now have

1956
01:10:00.020 --> 01:10:00.950
Uh,

1957
01:10:00.970 --> 01:10:03.750
graduated from the university and

1958
01:10:04.450 --> 01:10:08.140
can reach out to a professor in a professional context.

1959
01:10:08.450 --> 01:10:09.310
Um,

1960
01:10:09.370 --> 01:10:11.689
and so that was one thing we didn't,

1961
01:10:11.890 --> 01:10:12.970
I didn't touch upon,

1962
01:10:13.049 --> 01:10:13.549
but,

1963
01:10:13.890 --> 01:10:14.580
um,

1964
01:10:14.890 --> 01:10:16.549
really has been very,

1965
01:10:17.009 --> 01:10:17.770
uh,

1966
01:10:18.850 --> 01:10:19.609
I think

1967
01:10:21.419 --> 01:10:22.720
A value add,

1968
01:10:22.899 --> 01:10:23.399
uh,

1969
01:10:23.419 --> 01:10:23.950
to my,

1970
01:10:24.100 --> 01:10:29.040
my buried experience and what I was able to get out of ASU more broadly

1971
01:10:29.459 --> 01:10:31.660
because of some of that honors coursework I did.

1972
01:10:32.540 --> 01:10:34.240
I'm so glad you brought it up.

1973
01:10:34.899 --> 01:10:37.939
It's really a symbiotic relationship.

1974
01:10:37.979 --> 01:10:38.450
You

1975
01:10:38.779 --> 01:10:41.240
just highlighted the benefit that can come

1976
01:10:41.240 --> 01:10:44.029
to students from starting that network early by

1977
01:10:44.899 --> 01:10:48.040
Having an extra reason or a platform

1978
01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:51.149
from which to approach faculty and work together.

1979
01:10:52.370 --> 01:10:52.919
But

1980
01:10:53.209 --> 01:10:54.970
it's also the case that the,

1981
01:10:55.250 --> 01:10:57.270
the faculty really benefit

1982
01:10:57.410 --> 01:10:58.689
from the Barrett students.

1983
01:10:58.810 --> 01:11:01.129
So the larger ASU faculty,

1984
01:11:02.290 --> 01:11:06.029
Express in a variety of different ways over the years that

1985
01:11:06.569 --> 01:11:08.069
the Barrett students

1986
01:11:09.120 --> 01:11:09.830
bring um

1987
01:11:10.490 --> 01:11:11.589
an energy

1988
01:11:11.689 --> 01:11:12.950
and a gravity

1989
01:11:13.290 --> 01:11:15.310
to any class that they're in

1990
01:11:15.870 --> 01:11:16.470
and

1991
01:11:17.129 --> 01:11:19.830
even though it may also be extra work for them

1992
01:11:19.970 --> 01:11:22.770
to do an honors enrichment contract with the student,

1993
01:11:22.850 --> 01:11:23.609
it's a,

1994
01:11:23.970 --> 01:11:25.009
it's a two-way street.

1995
01:11:25.089 --> 01:11:27.149
They do get benefit from it and it's

1996
01:11:27.410 --> 01:11:28.509
the Barrett students.

1997
01:11:29.109 --> 01:11:29.450
Not

1998
01:11:29.580 --> 01:11:30.410
exclusively,

1999
01:11:30.470 --> 01:11:33.689
but are often the ones that do wind up

2000
01:11:34.109 --> 01:11:37.189
becoming their assistants or working in their labs and

2001
01:11:38.709 --> 01:11:39.330
Without

2002
01:11:39.750 --> 01:11:40.149
Barrett,

2003
01:11:40.220 --> 01:11:42.770
ASU wouldn't be the same place that it is.

2004
01:11:42.870 --> 01:11:43.890
It's really a

2005
01:11:44.220 --> 01:11:45.950
a match made in heaven to some degree.

2006
01:11:46.779 --> 01:11:47.540
I love that.

2007
01:11:47.660 --> 01:11:52.899
I 100% agree a match made in heaven for sure.

2008
01:11:54.419 --> 01:11:54.930
Well,

2009
01:11:55.220 --> 01:11:59.720
I want to thank you again for taking the time to visit with me today and

2010
01:12:00.660 --> 01:12:02.000
willing to be

2011
01:12:02.250 --> 01:12:03.000
recorded

2012
01:12:03.109 --> 01:12:03.779
and

2013
01:12:04.060 --> 01:12:06.060
inspire people with who knows what,

2014
01:12:06.229 --> 01:12:06.569
how,

2015
01:12:06.899 --> 01:12:08.040
who will hear these things.

2016
01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:08.779
Just like you said,

2017
01:12:08.859 --> 01:12:09.859
it's hard to know

2018
01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:11.500
what the ripples will be,

2019
01:12:11.620 --> 01:12:14.169
and I just am very grateful for the time you took today,

2020
01:12:14.180 --> 01:12:15.399
and it's been a delight

2021
01:12:15.899 --> 01:12:16.700
to visit with you.

2022
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:19.040
It's been my privilege.

2023
01:12:19.200 --> 01:12:20.200
Thank you so much,

2024
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:21.220
Stephanie,

2025
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.000
and if you need anything subsequently from me,

2026
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:25.819
uh,

2027
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:28.540
please just reach out and I will do my best

2028
01:12:28.790 --> 01:12:30.120
to provide what you need.

2029
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:31.160
Thank you.

2030
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:32.299
Have a good evening.

2031
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:33.160
You too.

2032
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:33.479
Bye,

2033
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:34.100
Stephanie.