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Hello,

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this is a 2nd conversation between myself,

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Doctor Stephanie Delussa,

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a teaching professor and honors faculty fellow,

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and Doctor Mark Jacobs,

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the 2nd dean of Barrett,

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the Honors College at Arizona State University.

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Doctor Jacobs has kindly agreed to be recorded

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as he shares more of his memories and insights

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from his development and leadership of the college for the 19 years that he was dean.

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This gives him a rich and meaningful perspective.

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Our first recorded conversation offered

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his educational background and some highlights

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of his professional path,

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his arrival at ASU,

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and how well he worked together

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with Vice Dean Peggy Nelson and his associate Dean Kristen Herman.

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So,

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Today,

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Mark,

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I thought perhaps we'd talk about

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what your relationship was with the Barretts,

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and perhaps,

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cause people listening to this might not know anything about the Barretts,

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maybe you could

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tell us about the Barrett's and how you

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met them and that relationship

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uh was or developed over time.

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well,

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Craig and Barbara Barrett are the patrons

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of the Honors College.

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Um,

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Craig was the CEO of Intel,

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of the whole of Intel worldwide,

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when I came out in 2003.

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And Barbara Barrett had been

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all sorts of things.

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She,

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she had run for governor of the state.

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she,

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um,

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was the manager of

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their resort in Montana.

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The um Triple Creek Ranch

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and.

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She was going to be during the 19 years that I that I knew her and Craig.

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Both the ambassador to Finland,

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the US ambassador to Finland,

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and the secretary of

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the Air Force,

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which became the Space Force

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while she was was the secretary of the Air Force.

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I think they're now listed as separate entities,

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but they have one

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secretary,

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Barbara,

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Barbara was very well known in the state.

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She had,

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she had worked at a law firm,

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Phoenix right after law school.

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She was very closely connected to

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Senator Day O'Connor.

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um,

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she had lots of connections within the state.

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Craig had lots of connections worldwide

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because of his,

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his.

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in the field of

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microchip processing and fabrication and stuff like that.

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they were a well-known couple already.

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The fact that they were interested in

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Barrett was lent Barrett a great amount of credence in

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the valley and in the state and in the nation,

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So it was a very valuable

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relationship and it was easy to keep up because they were such nice people.

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would you like to know about,

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What they were doing as I came out in 2003 or.

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whatever you'd care to share about that,

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like when you first met them or if you co-created something together,

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maybe you didn't interact with them all that much,

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or maybe it varied over the years.

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we interacted at least 3 or 4 times a year anyway,

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because they came to one of them at least came to almost every

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Barrett graduation

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or convocation,

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so they,

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they came in the fall and the spring usually,

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and they were very dedicated,

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dedicated patrons,

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in the sense that they,

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they took a major role in the graduations,

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they shook every student's hand

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as they came across the stage and,

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Barbara with her ambassador.

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Experience was a terrific diplomat anyway.

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she was amazing at how she could,

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she could get

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personal stories out of each student even within 3 seconds or 5 seconds

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that that she was given as they came across the stage,

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many times Craig was there at her side and they both shook,

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shook the students' hands as they graduated,

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very dedicated.

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they came to some of the events.

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They were very busy people though.

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They were world travelers every year.

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I just got a Christmas,

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Christmas sort of period.

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photo and description

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letter from them which I got every year from them

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when I was Dean that showed where they'd been,

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they're just amazing world travelers,

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even in retirement for Craig.

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I hesitate to say that either of them is really fully retired,

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but Craig is no longer the CEO of,

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I think that they,

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she still manages the ranch

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they'd still love to travel and see all these

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connections that they have all over the world.

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Each of them has built over their careers.

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I think they met when they were,

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when Barbara at least was in her 40s,

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or early 40s maybe.

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I think that was,

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that was about right.

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the story is they met at the top of

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Camelback Mountain where they both hiked up to see the sunset.

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and they were the two people up there as the sunset one day,

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it's really a nice story.

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I don't know if it's really true,

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but it sounds great.

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I think it was true from what Barbara told me.

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they're such people of integrity.

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I can't imagine them making up how they met.

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married before and had kids.

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and then they had decided with Laddie Corp's important,

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very important friendship and input

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to give a gift to,

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to the honors college.

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It's really,

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Laddie Laddie doesn't get enough credit for that,

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but they gave,

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they gave a $10 million gift,

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which was a naming gift.

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They did not ask for it to be naming.

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and they didn't ask for that,

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but,

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but it was nonetheless because it was such a huge gift at the time.

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single gift that had ever been given to AS

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to ASU,

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I'm so glad they allowed it to be named after them because it's a,

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a positive example for other people of

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such means in the world,

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and it did allow for that more personal

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relationship to be built just as you described

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Barbara taking that extra effort with each student as they crossed the stage even.

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already as a captain of industry,

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and Barbara was extremely well known around the state because she had,

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she was politically connected since she had run for governor,

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she had run for governor and to do that she

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had made all sorts of connections around the state.

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the fact that they favored

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Barrett Honors College by,

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this gift that became a naming gift,

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they did not ask for that.

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that Laddie and others decided to make it a naming gift,

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but still they wanted to support it after Laddie had described what it was about.

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this would make a huge difference for,

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for the honors college at ASU and they were happy to jump in.

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around the same time they were starting to support the um,

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the basis schools,

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that was starting down in Tucson at the time and they supported that.

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and Craig was on the board of that.

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that I was already here,

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they,

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they,

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they,

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they supported Thunderbird

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Graduate College

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just before it became merged with ASU.

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As,

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as the,

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uh,

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School of International Business,

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I guess is that what you would call it now what now it's

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sort of the Thunderbird School of

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International Management or something like that.

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Oh yeah,

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it has a,

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a more

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Broad name.

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I can look it up for you at some point,

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but,

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but at the moment,

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I'm remembering that

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didn't the Barrett's

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gift

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the college with an additional amount of money in regard to

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global leadership?

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Yes,

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that,

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that happened much later,

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but yes,

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that was true.

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So the $10 million was the largest gift that had ever been given to ASU,

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but

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shortly after I,

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and it was given in,

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in 199,

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1999

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and 2000.

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So there's a picture of

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Barbara and Craig with Ted Humphrey,

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the dean at the time.

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With a big check for $10 million and they're they're

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holding one of those big cardboard jacks they used to show

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and people gave a lot of,

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people gave a significant gift,

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um,

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and that was,

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that was when they gave the gift.

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So,

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so this,

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it was already the Barrett Honors College when I came in 2003.

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Um,

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and they had,

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they were just,

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I met them right away

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within the first couple of weeks,

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they had me over for,

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they had Ellen and me over

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for a meal,

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and then they had us up to their ranch

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in Montana,

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which was really a wonderful vacation,

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but also a really nice chance to see them both when they were

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relaxed,

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and,

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and Maddie was,

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our daughter Madeleine was 3,

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I think,

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33 or so at the time,

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3 or 4.

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And Craig and she bonded very much,

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very quickly,

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fishing in,

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in the special fish pond that had lots of fish stocked in it up there.

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And such,

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and she made him

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uh

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some ceramic,

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um,

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pencil holders and things like that that she,

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she later gave and he still has on his desk.

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So

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there was,

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there was,

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I mean,

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Craig is a,

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is a wonderful guy,

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he has his own grandchildren,

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but

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he,

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he and Maddie bonded.

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Um,

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Maddie and Barbara,

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there's a picture we have of Barbara and Maddie

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on a horse that was called Pentium Prince.

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Maddie,

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Maddie called it the horse Princeton because

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the only prince she knew was Princeton,

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because my,

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that's where I grew up and my parents were,

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and she'd

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gone to her see her grandparents there already.

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But,

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um,

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Barbara,

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Barbara took,

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took Maddie with her on a horseback ride that we,

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that we took through the forest

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up on their ranch right away in,

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in the fall.

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So

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it was just a wonderful.

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On wrapped to the relationship and the relationship was always so good,

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so great.

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Never,

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never any looking over my shoulder at what I was doing,

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just fully trusting me,

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the same as Michael Crowe had always done.

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They weren't demanding in any way,

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they never made any,

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any requests or demand

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because of their station as patrons ever.

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And yet they came,

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whenever they were around,

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they

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came to things like celebrating honors symposium at the end of the year,

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and

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The two convocations and some of the,

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some of the lectures.

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Excuse me,

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um,

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Just to fully support the students,

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and every time they showed up,

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they,

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they were,

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they delighted in the students.

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You could tell they were delighting in the students and

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taking lots of time with them to talk to them,

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so.

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It was really sounds wonderful,

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yeah,

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yeah,

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and for a while,

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as you were talking about,

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Barbara was the interim president of the Thunderbird School of Global Management,

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um,

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which

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I think now is a unit of

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the university

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knowledge enterprise,

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but as I said,

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I'll look into that a little bit more,

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but it's one of the schools of ASU because it has its own dean.

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Yeah,

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it's,

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it's there,

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so I don't think it's just under the enterprise,

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um.

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So,

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can you tell me more about the,

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the

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Later relationship and that next connection with

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the global leadership that they helped

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create.

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Yes,

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well,

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we,

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sorry,

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I'm just gonna have a little drink of water here.

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Um,

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we,

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we,

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we kept the relationship with them going,

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of course,

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and it was easy to do.

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They kept it up too.

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Um

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And

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Something like um.

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Must have been late 19.

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It must have been the late 20 twenties.

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Late 202010s,

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you know,

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sort of 2017,

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2018.

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We were having our,

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we being Peggy

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Nelson and,

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and Kristen Herman and I were having our,

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our annual summer meeting where we just

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shot ideas back and forth with each other about what

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what what we wanted to do with Barrett and what Barrett should

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still try to be striving to become and stuff like that.

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Those are great meetings,

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by the way.

485
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Lasted half a day.

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We,

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we'd go for lunch and then have another half day.

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So,

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so sometimes we had several day meetings in June and July,

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just talking about the future of bear,

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but in one of those meetings,

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I was saying that

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I thought there should be more of a,

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of an international

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experience for our students and presence

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of programs,

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and

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we,

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we kind of cooked up the whole idea of

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Of Barrett Global,

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then this is before we hired

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um

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anybody to,

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to,

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to head it,

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of course.

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But we also

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knew that it might take some funding,

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and we knew that we knew that one way we could,

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one part of the program could be

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supporting students with scholarships when they

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went abroad for various experiences,

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but the other part could be

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bringing world leaders in

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to

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Today as you and Barrett as residents.

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Scholars and residents sort of things where they could teach a course and give a,

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give a general plenary lecture

519
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to the whole university but also have

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a short course if possible that they offered.

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So,

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sort of like the model that,

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that the

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Rhodes and Centennial lecturers had been in the past,

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where they,

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they had in the,

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in the first years of my administration.

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They had,

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they had come for 3 or 4 days

530
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and given little mini courses,

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but that had devolved um because particularly the Rhodes family wanted to have

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more big names and to get a bigger name we had to pay more and to pay more,

533
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we couldn't,

534
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we could no longer support

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salaries over a week of

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studies and support for

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classes.

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You know,

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classes that the visiting person for

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Rhodes,

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for the Rhodes lectureship could,

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could offer,

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so those became

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more just single shot,

545
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wonderful talks,

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but we wanted to set up a thing like the Rhodes and Centennial had originally been.

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There was someone who was well-known,

548
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who was an expert in their field who came in and was in residence

549
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at Barrett,

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um,

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and.

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By so doing,

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we could expose the students to

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new ideas,

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totally new ideas from different countries,

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different viewpoints,

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but always from leaders.

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And to do that we knew we,

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we,

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we,

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we,

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we would need to use um

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Barbara's connections because she,

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she,

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she particularly had

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after she had been the US ambassador to Finland,

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actually even before that,

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but she was already well known with all the leaders around the world.

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She was part of this

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global leaders.

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Foundation,

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I think it was called,

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but it was,

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it was a,

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it was a,

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it was an

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organization that you had to have been a prime minister or president of a country

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to belong to,

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um,

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and it,

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it,

582
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it gave it,

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00:15:41.669 --> 00:15:44.710
it could be called in as a consulting group to any president or

584
00:15:44.710 --> 00:15:48.090
prime minister of any country in the world that wanted to have advice,

585
00:15:48.869 --> 00:15:50.489
and she was connected to that

586
00:15:50.669 --> 00:15:51.969
in many ways,

587
00:15:52.510 --> 00:15:53.229
and so we,

588
00:15:53.309 --> 00:15:53.460
we,

589
00:15:53.520 --> 00:15:53.669
we,

590
00:15:53.789 --> 00:15:55.330
we had some talks with her,

591
00:15:55.750 --> 00:15:56.750
her and Craig.

592
00:15:57.419 --> 00:15:58.299
About whether she could,

593
00:15:58.500 --> 00:15:59.419
whether she was willing to do that.

594
00:15:59.539 --> 00:16:01.849
She was extremely happy to do that.

595
00:16:02.650 --> 00:16:03.450
And in fact,

596
00:16:03.530 --> 00:16:06.609
she was always sort of leading us a little bit in saying,

597
00:16:06.809 --> 00:16:06.919
hey,

598
00:16:06.969 --> 00:16:09.609
I've got a great person that I think would be good to come for next year,

599
00:16:09.690 --> 00:16:10.409
for next semester,

600
00:16:10.479 --> 00:16:11.270
that sort of thing.

601
00:16:12.059 --> 00:16:14.429
And she brought in people like the,

602
00:16:14.909 --> 00:16:17.780
the first female defense minister for Finland,

603
00:16:18.270 --> 00:16:20.049
the president of Latvia,

604
00:16:20.309 --> 00:16:23.390
who was a woman who had been the president for 6 years or so,

605
00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:24.190
and then just,

606
00:16:24.239 --> 00:16:24.750
just had

607
00:16:25.109 --> 00:16:25.510
stepped down,

608
00:16:25.570 --> 00:16:26.020
I believe,

609
00:16:26.030 --> 00:16:26.849
at the time,

610
00:16:27.359 --> 00:16:29.859
or maybe she hadn't because she came with a lot of security

611
00:16:30.190 --> 00:16:30.630
with her,

612
00:16:31.150 --> 00:16:32.130
followed her around.

613
00:16:33.330 --> 00:16:33.809
But

614
00:16:34.510 --> 00:16:34.789
Anyway,

615
00:16:34.830 --> 00:16:35.650
the point is,

616
00:16:36.119 --> 00:16:37.299
during that time we also asked.

617
00:16:38.909 --> 00:16:39.070
We,

618
00:16:39.150 --> 00:16:40.840
we made an ask of the Barrett's,

619
00:16:41.309 --> 00:16:41.549
well,

620
00:16:41.909 --> 00:16:45.450
the whole university made an ask of the Barrett's for a 2nd $10 million

621
00:16:46.070 --> 00:16:47.409
but part of that was

622
00:16:47.669 --> 00:16:51.250
$2.5 million or $3 million for Barrett itself

623
00:16:51.669 --> 00:16:52.049
to help

624
00:16:52.510 --> 00:16:53.239
fund these,

625
00:16:53.390 --> 00:16:56.010
these residencies and travels

626
00:16:56.510 --> 00:16:59.570
associated with them and some of the scholarships for students to travel abroad.

627
00:17:00.450 --> 00:17:01.030
So that was,

628
00:17:01.150 --> 00:17:01.429
and that,

629
00:17:01.630 --> 00:17:01.869
so that,

630
00:17:01.909 --> 00:17:02.109
that,

631
00:17:02.190 --> 00:17:02.690
that became

632
00:17:03.070 --> 00:17:04.949
the second gift the Barretts gave to the,

633
00:17:05.030 --> 00:17:06.410
to all of ASU because

634
00:17:06.709 --> 00:17:07.250
half of,

635
00:17:07.719 --> 00:17:09.579
half of it was given to the law school at the time,

636
00:17:09.630 --> 00:17:09.979
I think.

637
00:17:09.989 --> 00:17:12.650
Barbara has always been associated with the law school as well.

638
00:17:15.380 --> 00:17:15.900
Excuse me.

639
00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:16.489
Um,

640
00:17:16.930 --> 00:17:16.969
well,

641
00:17:17.060 --> 00:17:18.819
I went to some of those talks and,

642
00:17:18.900 --> 00:17:20.209
and they were,

643
00:17:20.459 --> 00:17:21.189
were good,

644
00:17:21.209 --> 00:17:23.760
and a number of my students went and,

645
00:17:24.219 --> 00:17:25.000
and

646
00:17:25.420 --> 00:17:26.319
it's such a

647
00:17:26.459 --> 00:17:27.839
unique opportunity.

648
00:17:28.380 --> 00:17:30.920
So I'm really glad that you hatched that idea

649
00:17:31.069 --> 00:17:33.479
with the team and that they supported it.

650
00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:34.380
Yeah.

651
00:17:34.579 --> 00:17:34.660
Well,

652
00:17:34.780 --> 00:17:36.550
we were very happy with the way it worked out.

653
00:17:36.790 --> 00:17:36.939
And we,

654
00:17:36.949 --> 00:17:38.500
when we hired Jason,

655
00:17:38.900 --> 00:17:40.650
he's been terrific and

656
00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:42.209
He is sort of,

657
00:17:42.349 --> 00:17:43.209
at the same time,

658
00:17:43.469 --> 00:17:44.890
Mark Henderson was retiring

659
00:17:45.390 --> 00:17:46.979
from being the Dean of Barrett at,

660
00:17:46.989 --> 00:17:48.430
at um Poly.

661
00:17:49.150 --> 00:17:50.390
And he had started this,

662
00:17:50.469 --> 00:17:51.180
this um

663
00:17:51.469 --> 00:17:52.729
global resolve

664
00:17:53.270 --> 00:17:54.130
program of

665
00:17:54.430 --> 00:17:55.849
students going out to other countries

666
00:17:55.849 --> 00:17:58.930
and volunteering volunteer community support work.

667
00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:01.119
In other countries,

668
00:18:01.130 --> 00:18:02.810
and he wanted very much to have that keep going,

669
00:18:02.900 --> 00:18:03.810
so as he was retiring,

670
00:18:03.859 --> 00:18:04.449
he asked if,

671
00:18:04.540 --> 00:18:04.699
if,

672
00:18:04.859 --> 00:18:08.229
if Barrett could take that program over because it had been run

673
00:18:08.939 --> 00:18:10.819
by him mostly out at Poli.

674
00:18:11.569 --> 00:18:11.579
For

675
00:18:12.810 --> 00:18:13.930
beginning 5 or 6 years,

676
00:18:13.969 --> 00:18:14.530
I guess.

677
00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:16.170
You know,

678
00:18:16.219 --> 00:18:17.449
it may have been more than 5 or 6 years,

679
00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:19.079
but it was at least 5 or 6 years,

680
00:18:19.180 --> 00:18:19.560
and

681
00:18:21.390 --> 00:18:22.270
So

682
00:18:22.520 --> 00:18:23.479
we took it over.

683
00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.589
Jason absorbed it into his bailiwick and

684
00:18:27.329 --> 00:18:29.859
That's that's been another arm of the

685
00:18:30.349 --> 00:18:32.900
international experience students can have now for,

686
00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:34.390
for several years,

687
00:18:34.410 --> 00:18:35.380
so they can either

688
00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.520
learn about other countries and other issues by going out to them in volunteer work,

689
00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:41.420
they can go

690
00:18:42.079 --> 00:18:46.800
in travel scholarships that are supported to support their own kind of travel,

691
00:18:47.040 --> 00:18:48.060
such as the um.

692
00:18:49.270 --> 00:18:49.930
What was it?

693
00:18:50.069 --> 00:18:50.229
Well,

694
00:18:50.310 --> 00:18:51.790
it's got this funny name now,

695
00:18:51.869 --> 00:18:52.250
but

696
00:18:52.589 --> 00:18:52.939
it's,

697
00:18:53.189 --> 00:18:55.530
it was an extension of the,

698
00:18:55.989 --> 00:18:57.170
of the explorers,

699
00:18:57.390 --> 00:18:58.189
the famous

700
00:18:58.510 --> 00:18:59.709
explorers group in New York City.

701
00:18:59.859 --> 00:18:59.869
Oh,

702
00:19:00.109 --> 00:19:01.290
circumnavigators,

703
00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:01.660
wasn't it?

704
00:19:02.380 --> 00:19:02.550
Yes,

705
00:19:02.670 --> 00:19:02.829
yes,

706
00:19:03.069 --> 00:19:03.569
exactly.

707
00:19:03.910 --> 00:19:04.630
That's that's what it was.

708
00:19:04.709 --> 00:19:05.510
So he started

709
00:19:05.790 --> 00:19:07.260
circumnavigators started with,

710
00:19:07.270 --> 00:19:07.709
um.

711
00:19:09.439 --> 00:19:14.160
Circumnavigator's Club that was a sub club of the one in New York City in Phoenix,

712
00:19:14.729 --> 00:19:15.209
the one

713
00:19:15.329 --> 00:19:17.449
that had had some bad experiences with giving

714
00:19:18.189 --> 00:19:19.130
Giving money to support

715
00:19:19.550 --> 00:19:21.849
circumnavigation of the globe to just any old

716
00:19:22.349 --> 00:19:24.459
ASU student that had a couple of bad experiences,

717
00:19:24.540 --> 00:19:25.109
so they asked,

718
00:19:25.189 --> 00:19:28.589
they approached us and asked us if they could make it only for Barre students,

719
00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:28.979
and we said,

720
00:19:29.150 --> 00:19:29.630
sure you can,

721
00:19:29.709 --> 00:19:30.290
that'd be wonderful.

722
00:19:31.569 --> 00:19:32.040
And

723
00:19:32.250 --> 00:19:32.729
then we,

724
00:19:32.890 --> 00:19:34.449
we came up with the money to,

725
00:19:34.969 --> 00:19:35.989
to fund a 2nd

726
00:19:36.410 --> 00:19:39.530
student each year besides the one that the circumnavigators were funding,

727
00:19:39.890 --> 00:19:42.599
and as the Circumnavigator Club in Phoenix died off,

728
00:19:42.729 --> 00:19:43.229
almost literally,

729
00:19:43.760 --> 00:19:45.290
I hate to say it's sort of lugubrious to say,

730
00:19:45.369 --> 00:19:46.869
but the members were very old,

731
00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:47.790
wonderful,

732
00:19:48.170 --> 00:19:49.030
older guys

733
00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:51.079
who slowly passed away,

734
00:19:51.089 --> 00:19:51.719
and so

735
00:19:51.969 --> 00:19:53.170
we sort of took it over and that,

736
00:19:53.219 --> 00:19:54.069
I forget what

737
00:19:54.329 --> 00:19:55.729
Jason calls it now,

738
00:19:55.930 --> 00:19:56.349
but

739
00:19:57.209 --> 00:19:57.849
it has some,

740
00:19:58.000 --> 00:19:58.670
it has some,

741
00:19:58.689 --> 00:19:59.310
um,

742
00:20:00.239 --> 00:20:00.719
Letter,

743
00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:01.579
lettered

744
00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:02.560
moniker now,

745
00:20:02.660 --> 00:20:02.949
but

746
00:20:03.079 --> 00:20:04.719
it stands I'll see if it can come to me,

747
00:20:04.800 --> 00:20:05.079
but yeah,

748
00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:06.880
it's not coming to the tip of my brain.

749
00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.420
It's funny I remember the older thing more easily.

750
00:20:10.089 --> 00:20:10.280
Yeah,

751
00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:10.739
yeah,

752
00:20:11.040 --> 00:20:11.599
but anyway,

753
00:20:11.800 --> 00:20:13.020
that was also,

754
00:20:13.729 --> 00:20:13.839
we,

755
00:20:13.939 --> 00:20:14.319
we,

756
00:20:14.500 --> 00:20:14.599
you know,

757
00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:15.040
Jason,

758
00:20:15.199 --> 00:20:17.719
Jason has been great in leading the way towards other

759
00:20:17.719 --> 00:20:20.739
programs that we develop with him as we talk to him

760
00:20:21.239 --> 00:20:22.439
about what he thinks too.

761
00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:23.000
He's been,

762
00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:23.630
he's been,

763
00:20:23.709 --> 00:20:25.439
he's been a great addition to Barrett.

764
00:20:26.569 --> 00:20:26.579
So,

765
00:20:27.609 --> 00:20:28.280
um,

766
00:20:28.969 --> 00:20:30.089
so you mentioned,

767
00:20:30.170 --> 00:20:30.599
um,

768
00:20:30.719 --> 00:20:30.869
a,

769
00:20:31.410 --> 00:20:36.829
a couple of things I'd like to follow up on or expand on since we're on the thread of

770
00:20:37.449 --> 00:20:38.270
global

771
00:20:38.770 --> 00:20:39.599
related things.

772
00:20:39.729 --> 00:20:40.869
Perhaps you could

773
00:20:41.329 --> 00:20:45.589
say more about what study abroad programs were like when you came and

774
00:20:46.089 --> 00:20:47.349
how those shifted

775
00:20:47.609 --> 00:20:50.449
or expanded while you were here for 19 years,

776
00:20:50.489 --> 00:20:51.849
and we have a sense of it.

777
00:20:52.180 --> 00:20:53.010
As you've mentioned,

778
00:20:53.310 --> 00:20:54.510
the global resolve and,

779
00:20:54.630 --> 00:20:57.550
and also we brought more international speakers in,

780
00:20:57.829 --> 00:20:59.849
but maybe there's something else you'd like to,

781
00:21:00.020 --> 00:21:01.170
to add in that regard.

782
00:21:02.780 --> 00:21:03.140
Well,

783
00:21:03.459 --> 00:21:08.599
what existed when I came was the special trips that that the faculty

784
00:21:09.199 --> 00:21:10.199
had had already

785
00:21:10.609 --> 00:21:12.020
devised in most cases,

786
00:21:12.130 --> 00:21:12.260
well,

787
00:21:12.540 --> 00:21:13.869
in several of the cases,

788
00:21:14.859 --> 00:21:16.719
in every case where it was one of the

789
00:21:16.859 --> 00:21:18.329
summer study abroad trips,

790
00:21:18.540 --> 00:21:19.420
they had devised it,

791
00:21:19.459 --> 00:21:19.839
of course,

792
00:21:20.300 --> 00:21:21.260
each faculty member,

793
00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:23.079
and they were very successful and very,

794
00:21:23.540 --> 00:21:26.550
very well thought of and well subscribed by the students.

795
00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:29.890
So those that existed and we continued to fund that.

796
00:21:30.410 --> 00:21:30.780
We wanted,

797
00:21:30.890 --> 00:21:34.520
we wanted to purposely fund that and expand it as we expanded the faculty.

798
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.030
So that,

799
00:21:36.150 --> 00:21:37.329
that those were trips,

800
00:21:37.390 --> 00:21:38.189
as you know,

801
00:21:38.469 --> 00:21:38.750
I mean,

802
00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:42.569
have they've been talked about by others in this history of Barrett sort of

803
00:21:43.189 --> 00:21:44.109
exercise that we're doing now,

804
00:21:44.150 --> 00:21:45.630
or should I talk about those?

805
00:21:46.489 --> 00:21:46.979
Should you talk,

806
00:21:47.030 --> 00:21:47.270
you,

807
00:21:47.410 --> 00:21:47.510
you,

808
00:21:47.530 --> 00:21:48.229
you talk about those.

809
00:21:48.339 --> 00:21:50.810
I mean it'd be better to interview a faculty member about those,

810
00:21:50.869 --> 00:21:51.150
really.

811
00:21:51.229 --> 00:21:51.589
Yeah,

812
00:21:51.869 --> 00:21:52.109
I,

813
00:21:52.189 --> 00:21:54.109
I want you to share whatever you'd like to share.

814
00:21:54.229 --> 00:21:55.949
There has been a lot that has happened.

815
00:21:56.030 --> 00:21:56.910
I don't know.

816
00:21:57.630 --> 00:21:58.339
If you're

817
00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:01.750
aware that we have a semester abroad now,

818
00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:02.560
for instance,

819
00:22:02.800 --> 00:22:03.819
Jackie is in

820
00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.229
Milan and Joe O'Neill is in.

821
00:22:08.270 --> 00:22:08.810
Rome,

822
00:22:08.859 --> 00:22:11.449
and the students are spending half their time,

823
00:22:11.790 --> 00:22:15.219
there's two groups of students spending half their time with each faculty member,

824
00:22:15.270 --> 00:22:16.449
and then halfway

825
00:22:16.709 --> 00:22:17.550
through the semester,

826
00:22:17.630 --> 00:22:20.390
they go to the other city to be with the other faculty member.

827
00:22:20.589 --> 00:22:21.660
That's fantastic,

828
00:22:21.750 --> 00:22:22.689
that's wonderful.

829
00:22:23.189 --> 00:22:23.270
You know,

830
00:22:23.510 --> 00:22:25.890
it really warms my heart to hear this stuff because

831
00:22:26.550 --> 00:22:27.229
one of the things that,

832
00:22:27.239 --> 00:22:30.550
that really affected me in my whole life was the fact that my father,

833
00:22:30.630 --> 00:22:32.140
who was a professor at Princeton,

834
00:22:32.510 --> 00:22:34.750
where he had sabbaticals given to him every 5th year,

835
00:22:34.790 --> 00:22:35.760
it was very rare.

836
00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:37.589
Because the name sabbatical,

837
00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:37.839
of course,

838
00:22:37.959 --> 00:22:39.550
implies every 7th year

839
00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:40.540
anyway,

840
00:22:40.719 --> 00:22:41.459
if you're lucky,

841
00:22:41.550 --> 00:22:44.040
and lots of the state universities don't even give sabbaticals,

842
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.550
or you have to apply for them and you get one every 20 years,

843
00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:47.869
maybe on average.

844
00:22:48.560 --> 00:22:48.939
So,

845
00:22:48.969 --> 00:22:49.420
um,

846
00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:50.680
but my father had,

847
00:22:50.689 --> 00:22:51.119
had these,

848
00:22:51.250 --> 00:22:53.180
these sabbaticals given to him,

849
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.199
which was half a year at full pay or a full year at

850
00:22:56.199 --> 00:22:58.160
half pay with him having to get the rest of the pay,

851
00:22:58.400 --> 00:22:59.540
sort of fairly standard.

852
00:23:00.310 --> 00:23:01.060
Procedure once you,

853
00:23:01.209 --> 00:23:01.280
once,

854
00:23:01.430 --> 00:23:02.229
once the place is,

855
00:23:02.589 --> 00:23:05.359
once the institution has has admitted that they would like

856
00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.390
to give their faculty a sabbatical of any sort,

857
00:23:07.469 --> 00:23:08.780
that's usually the way it works.

858
00:23:09.069 --> 00:23:10.130
My father had these

859
00:23:10.310 --> 00:23:11.109
every 5 years,

860
00:23:11.189 --> 00:23:11.569
so

861
00:23:11.869 --> 00:23:14.319
I had gone to 3 or 4 different nations,

862
00:23:15.380 --> 00:23:16.689
but by the time I got to college,

863
00:23:17.229 --> 00:23:18.729
starting when I was 3 or 4,

864
00:23:19.910 --> 00:23:19.959
we'd,

865
00:23:19.969 --> 00:23:22.119
we'd gone on one of my father's sabbaticals,

866
00:23:22.469 --> 00:23:22.829
and he,

867
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:24.270
he very strongly believed,

868
00:23:24.430 --> 00:23:26.630
very strongly believed that it was good for the whole family,

869
00:23:27.010 --> 00:23:27.079
particularly,

870
00:23:27.670 --> 00:23:29.050
particularly my sister and me.

871
00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:30.010
To be,

872
00:23:30.130 --> 00:23:31.890
to be taken to another country,

873
00:23:32.209 --> 00:23:32.829
not just

874
00:23:33.489 --> 00:23:36.250
a lot of faculty with sabbaticals just decide to take them

875
00:23:36.489 --> 00:23:40.150
at their home institution and just do some quiet scholarly work,

876
00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:43.630
sometimes not even leaving their office where they've been anyway.

877
00:23:43.890 --> 00:23:46.150
My father believed very strongly that we should go

878
00:23:46.569 --> 00:23:47.530
to other countries,

879
00:23:47.729 --> 00:23:49.069
learn other cultures.

880
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:54.359
And he could immerse himself with the science of the people he was visiting,

881
00:23:54.530 --> 00:23:56.729
but we could immerse ourselves in the culture of the country.

882
00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:59.189
So I had been to Switzerland,

883
00:23:59.699 --> 00:24:00.250
um,

884
00:24:00.689 --> 00:24:01.119
Oxford,

885
00:24:01.369 --> 00:24:01.949
England,

886
00:24:02.530 --> 00:24:02.930
um,

887
00:24:04.520 --> 00:24:04.880
Naples,

888
00:24:04.959 --> 00:24:06.229
Italy and Berkeley,

889
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:07.020
California,

890
00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:08.650
before I even entered college.

891
00:24:08.949 --> 00:24:10.579
Each of those was for 1 year,

892
00:24:11.170 --> 00:24:13.439
or maybe in some cases half a year plus the summer,

893
00:24:13.540 --> 00:24:14.660
so it would be 8 months.

894
00:24:15.199 --> 00:24:15.560
But,

895
00:24:16.089 --> 00:24:17.400
and I knew that it had really,

896
00:24:17.479 --> 00:24:18.579
really affected me.

897
00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:21.410
It affected me in totally positive ways.

898
00:24:21.760 --> 00:24:24.189
My sister feels the same way when I interview her,

899
00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:25.079
talk to her,

900
00:24:25.199 --> 00:24:25.900
even now,

901
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:27.000
we both feel the same way.

902
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:27.430
So I,

903
00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:28.079
I'm a big,

904
00:24:28.199 --> 00:24:28.760
huge believer.

905
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.540
I wanted to make sure that the bears didn't just

906
00:24:31.890 --> 00:24:32.890
hang out in Arizona.

907
00:24:32.959 --> 00:24:34.099
When we first started the

908
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:35.969
The Great American Cities Program,

909
00:24:36.010 --> 00:24:36.699
which was

910
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:39.150
instigated at first by um

911
00:24:40.510 --> 00:24:40.829
B

912
00:24:41.780 --> 00:24:42.920
Abby Longdon.

913
00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:43.780
Yes.

914
00:24:44.750 --> 00:24:46.150
Addie,

915
00:24:46.250 --> 00:24:46.609
Addie,

916
00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:46.790
yeah,

917
00:24:46.949 --> 00:24:47.109
Addie,

918
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:47.189
Addie,

919
00:24:48.030 --> 00:24:48.469
Addie,

920
00:24:48.670 --> 00:24:49.510
Addie Longdon,

921
00:24:49.589 --> 00:24:50.060
yes,

922
00:24:50.709 --> 00:24:50.819
who,

923
00:24:50.949 --> 00:24:52.270
who worked at Barrett for a while,

924
00:24:52.349 --> 00:24:52.670
but she,

925
00:24:52.790 --> 00:24:54.939
she had this brilliant idea that we could go to,

926
00:24:55.609 --> 00:24:55.630
to,

927
00:24:55.760 --> 00:24:58.380
to American cities for 3 or 4 day visits,

928
00:24:58.780 --> 00:24:59.709
stay in youth hostels,

929
00:24:59.750 --> 00:25:00.469
so it was cheap.

930
00:25:00.510 --> 00:25:04.209
It was never more than about $5000 or $600 for each student anyway.

931
00:25:04.469 --> 00:25:06.010
We had scholarships for those,

932
00:25:06.790 --> 00:25:07.010
but,

933
00:25:07.030 --> 00:25:07.540
um,

934
00:25:08.209 --> 00:25:08.849
When

935
00:25:10.760 --> 00:25:11.699
And those were,

936
00:25:11.800 --> 00:25:12.400
were.

937
00:25:13.560 --> 00:25:14.430
And then and,

938
00:25:14.489 --> 00:25:15.630
and expanded.

939
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:16.560
It was really,

940
00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:17.680
really very popular,

941
00:25:17.760 --> 00:25:20.680
but one of the things that stuck with me was I talked to one of the students

942
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:23.880
on one of the first trips that went to New York City after we started this program,

943
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:24.780
and she came back

944
00:25:25.560 --> 00:25:25.959
and I said,

945
00:25:26.040 --> 00:25:26.119
well,

946
00:25:26.199 --> 00:25:26.599
how was it?

947
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:27.199
How did you like it?

948
00:25:27.270 --> 00:25:27.479
And she said,

949
00:25:27.520 --> 00:25:27.640
oh,

950
00:25:27.670 --> 00:25:27.910
it was,

951
00:25:27.959 --> 00:25:28.420
it was

952
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:29.079
life changing,

953
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:29.439
and I said,

954
00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:29.839
really,

955
00:25:30.369 --> 00:25:30.880
in what ways?

956
00:25:30.949 --> 00:25:31.270
And she said,

957
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:31.760
well,

958
00:25:32.199 --> 00:25:32.920
I had never even,

959
00:25:33.040 --> 00:25:33.280
this is,

960
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.300
this is a student who was sort of 18 or 19 years old,

961
00:25:36.729 --> 00:25:37.150
I remember.

962
00:25:37.439 --> 00:25:37.500
She said,

963
00:25:37.560 --> 00:25:39.410
I never left Arizona,

964
00:25:39.760 --> 00:25:40.339
she said,

965
00:25:40.959 --> 00:25:40.969
and,

966
00:25:40.979 --> 00:25:42.619
and I've never been on an airplane.

967
00:25:43.800 --> 00:25:44.810
I've never been on a boat,

968
00:25:44.849 --> 00:25:45.040
and,

969
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:46.430
and she meant by a boat,

970
00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:49.410
they took a boat to see the Statue of Liberty from

971
00:25:49.709 --> 00:25:50.829
the tip of Manhattan.

972
00:25:51.449 --> 00:25:51.609
But,

973
00:25:51.770 --> 00:25:51.920
but,

974
00:25:52.010 --> 00:25:52.369
and she said,

975
00:25:52.449 --> 00:25:52.680
and then,

976
00:25:52.729 --> 00:25:53.170
and then,

977
00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:53.650
and then she said,

978
00:25:53.729 --> 00:25:54.420
and then of course there was,

979
00:25:54.489 --> 00:25:56.670
there was New York City for crying out loud.

980
00:25:57.290 --> 00:25:57.530
And I,

981
00:25:57.589 --> 00:25:58.449
I realized

982
00:25:58.770 --> 00:26:00.949
then that that actually Barrett students,

983
00:26:01.199 --> 00:26:01.869
sometimes there's a,

984
00:26:02.030 --> 00:26:04.589
there's a subcategory of Barrett student who's brilliant.

985
00:26:05.290 --> 00:26:06.170
did well in high school,

986
00:26:06.250 --> 00:26:08.449
but is not really privileged enough to have

987
00:26:08.689 --> 00:26:11.930
had family to take them everywhere the way I had been taken by my family,

988
00:26:12.010 --> 00:26:12.390
of course.

989
00:26:13.290 --> 00:26:13.300
Um,

990
00:26:13.969 --> 00:26:14.770
and I wanted,

991
00:26:14.969 --> 00:26:16.189
I wanted very much to,

992
00:26:16.510 --> 00:26:16.859
to,

993
00:26:17.030 --> 00:26:20.130
to have one of the major themes that we developed at Barrett B,

994
00:26:20.619 --> 00:26:22.329
exposure to foreign,

995
00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:23.109
to different

996
00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:23.880
places,

997
00:26:23.930 --> 00:26:24.239
even,

998
00:26:24.369 --> 00:26:25.709
even different places in the US,

999
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:26.209
of course,

1000
00:26:26.290 --> 00:26:28.709
and that's why we expanded the Great American Cities program,

1001
00:26:29.130 --> 00:26:29.939
but also

1002
00:26:30.209 --> 00:26:31.170
to other countries.

1003
00:26:32.040 --> 00:26:34.229
To try to and bring and bring leaders and,

1004
00:26:34.349 --> 00:26:36.719
and idea people from other countries in to,

1005
00:26:36.849 --> 00:26:37.069
to,

1006
00:26:37.189 --> 00:26:39.079
to meet us and our students.

1007
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:39.500
So

1008
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:40.640
that's sort of the,

1009
00:26:40.650 --> 00:26:40.660
the,

1010
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:41.040
the,

1011
00:26:41.050 --> 00:26:42.780
the theoretical background,

1012
00:26:43.150 --> 00:26:44.900
philosophical background for why

1013
00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:48.239
we expanded all those sorts of programs and why I'm so happy that

1014
00:26:48.829 --> 00:26:49.790
you've kept expanding.

1015
00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:51.079
I'm very happy to hear that you've,

1016
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:51.609
you've

1017
00:26:51.959 --> 00:26:54.160
now you have some programs that are semester long programs.

1018
00:26:54.199 --> 00:26:55.219
That's wonderful to hear.

1019
00:26:55.800 --> 00:26:56.469
Yes,

1020
00:26:56.630 --> 00:26:57.319
and

1021
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.900
I'm glad that you brought up the great American cities because

1022
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.380
we can experience many different

1023
00:27:03.800 --> 00:27:06.260
cultures and ways of life just within

1024
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:08.150
our giant country,

1025
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:08.540
and

1026
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:09.699
I

1027
00:27:10.239 --> 00:27:14.079
don't know if this happened while you were still in Barrett,

1028
00:27:14.150 --> 00:27:15.500
but we also have

1029
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:16.619
faculty

1030
00:27:17.040 --> 00:27:19.140
doing work and taking students on,

1031
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:19.520
like,

1032
00:27:19.530 --> 00:27:20.300
borderland.

1033
00:27:21.189 --> 00:27:21.390
Uh,

1034
00:27:21.479 --> 00:27:26.300
excursions for even just a long weekend to help raise their awareness around

1035
00:27:26.709 --> 00:27:30.260
certain kinds of issues even closer to home than the

1036
00:27:30.719 --> 00:27:31.979
great American cities

1037
00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:32.560
did.

1038
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:33.160
Yes,

1039
00:27:33.319 --> 00:27:34.680
that it did start when I was there.

1040
00:27:34.750 --> 00:27:35.859
It started because

1041
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.020
we wanted to support that as well.

1042
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:38.880
I mean that was,

1043
00:27:38.959 --> 00:27:40.959
that was a conscious move to do that.

1044
00:27:41.829 --> 00:27:42.229
So,

1045
00:27:42.329 --> 00:27:42.810
um,

1046
00:27:43.189 --> 00:27:44.020
I'm very happy to,

1047
00:27:44.069 --> 00:27:44.410
to,

1048
00:27:44.790 --> 00:27:45.160
to

1049
00:27:45.750 --> 00:27:45.979
say,

1050
00:27:46.150 --> 00:27:48.109
to hear that those are still going on also,

1051
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:48.650
of course.

1052
00:27:50.030 --> 00:27:50.560
Yeah,

1053
00:27:50.939 --> 00:27:51.479
the

1054
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.579
Other thing I wanted to follow up on was something you had said about

1055
00:27:57.319 --> 00:27:58.060
how

1056
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.619
the Rhodes lecture

1057
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.660
changed over time

1058
00:28:02.989 --> 00:28:04.119
at ASU.

1059
00:28:04.280 --> 00:28:06.020
And just for the record,

1060
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:07.760
if anybody doesn't know,

1061
00:28:07.819 --> 00:28:09.680
it's called the John J.

1062
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:14.900
Rhodes Chair in Public Policy and American Institutions lecture.

1063
00:28:15.239 --> 00:28:15.719
And

1064
00:28:16.780 --> 00:28:18.209
Not just about that lecture,

1065
00:28:18.300 --> 00:28:18.650
but.

1066
00:28:19.349 --> 00:28:20.430
I'd like your thoughts,

1067
00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:21.270
your memories,

1068
00:28:21.349 --> 00:28:22.900
your insights about

1069
00:28:23.069 --> 00:28:25.089
what you thought about the Centennial

1070
00:28:25.699 --> 00:28:28.219
and Rhodes lecture series when you got here,

1071
00:28:28.229 --> 00:28:30.270
and what they maybe meant to you,

1072
00:28:30.349 --> 00:28:31.380
how they shifted,

1073
00:28:31.630 --> 00:28:32.449
etc.

1074
00:28:33.109 --> 00:28:33.229
Well,

1075
00:28:33.349 --> 00:28:33.550
I,

1076
00:28:33.670 --> 00:28:33.910
I,

1077
00:28:34.030 --> 00:28:36.829
I had run a big lecture series at Swarthmore College

1078
00:28:36.829 --> 00:28:39.229
when I was the associate provost of the college.

1079
00:28:39.689 --> 00:28:39.949
So I,

1080
00:28:40.030 --> 00:28:40.310
I,

1081
00:28:40.390 --> 00:28:43.260
I was already a believer in bringing really interesting people in.

1082
00:28:43.310 --> 00:28:44.270
We had Bill McKibben,

1083
00:28:44.349 --> 00:28:45.469
I don't know if you know who he is,

1084
00:28:45.589 --> 00:28:46.449
but he's a great

1085
00:28:46.869 --> 00:28:47.689
environmental.

1086
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:49.949
Environmental activist,

1087
00:28:49.959 --> 00:28:50.349
um,

1088
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:51.030
from New York,

1089
00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:51.280
from,

1090
00:28:51.479 --> 00:28:51.939
from,

1091
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.040
he hangs out really in the Adirondacks,

1092
00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:54.459
but

1093
00:28:54.959 --> 00:28:56.599
Adirondack Mountains in New York State,

1094
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:56.979
but

1095
00:28:57.699 --> 00:28:57.920
Um,

1096
00:28:57.939 --> 00:28:59.239
I had already brought him in.

1097
00:29:00.630 --> 00:29:01.160
Two great,

1098
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:01.930
too great,

1099
00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:02.560
um.

1100
00:29:03.869 --> 00:29:04.430
Applause,

1101
00:29:04.520 --> 00:29:05.339
I guess you'd say,

1102
00:29:05.439 --> 00:29:06.479
at Swarthmore.

1103
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.359
So I already liked the idea of speaker series,

1104
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:10.469
and when I got here,

1105
00:29:10.719 --> 00:29:11.300
I found out,

1106
00:29:11.390 --> 00:29:11.959
lo and behold,

1107
00:29:12.030 --> 00:29:14.439
we had these two wonderfully endowed,

1108
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:15.699
already present

1109
00:29:15.959 --> 00:29:18.270
speaker series that had been given to Barrett.

1110
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:19.680
The Centennial was,

1111
00:29:19.739 --> 00:29:21.699
was actually money that was raised

1112
00:29:22.239 --> 00:29:24.619
in honor of ASU's centennial.

1113
00:29:25.349 --> 00:29:26.270
Which was,

1114
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.079
you know,

1115
00:29:28.439 --> 00:29:28.680
Oh,

1116
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:28.959
well,

1117
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:29.739
let's see,

1118
00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:32.380
1985 would have been 100 years.

1119
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:33.270
OK,

1120
00:29:33.430 --> 00:29:33.839
so yeah,

1121
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.479
I was hesitating because I wasn't sure whether ASU was older than the state,

1122
00:29:37.560 --> 00:29:38.079
but it is,

1123
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:38.640
I think.

1124
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:39.349
So,

1125
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:39.760
so,

1126
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:40.229
um,

1127
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:42.900
the state's centennial was something like,

1128
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:44.780
I think the state was in

1129
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:46.959
1912 or 202014,

1130
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:52.109
but ASU was founded in 1885 as a territorial normal school.

1131
00:29:52.410 --> 00:29:52.640
Yeah,

1132
00:29:52.800 --> 00:29:53.040
so that,

1133
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:54.250
that's what they were celebrating,

1134
00:29:54.300 --> 00:29:57.239
and at the time they were celebrating the centennial of ASU.

1135
00:29:57.920 --> 00:29:59.589
Somebody started raising money

1136
00:29:59.890 --> 00:30:00.390
and

1137
00:30:00.569 --> 00:30:01.069
um

1138
00:30:01.530 --> 00:30:02.069
actually no,

1139
00:30:02.089 --> 00:30:05.130
it wasn't that it's called the Flynn Foundation Centennial

1140
00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:08.140
lecture because the Flynn Foundation gave this money,

1141
00:30:08.969 --> 00:30:09.719
the kernel of it,

1142
00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:10.270
the,

1143
00:30:10.329 --> 00:30:14.430
the core of it of about $200,000 or $250,000

1144
00:30:14.760 --> 00:30:16.609
to ASU in honor of its centennial.

1145
00:30:16.650 --> 00:30:17.410
That's how it was.

1146
00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:17.920
So,

1147
00:30:18.369 --> 00:30:18.790
so

1148
00:30:19.250 --> 00:30:19.449
that,

1149
00:30:19.530 --> 00:30:20.770
that existed and that,

1150
00:30:20.849 --> 00:30:21.520
that was,

1151
00:30:21.530 --> 00:30:21.609
they,

1152
00:30:21.650 --> 00:30:21.849
they,

1153
00:30:21.969 --> 00:30:22.369
they.

1154
00:30:22.609 --> 00:30:22.619
When

1155
00:30:23.180 --> 00:30:24.729
the Flynn Foundation gave that money,

1156
00:30:24.810 --> 00:30:24.890
they,

1157
00:30:24.989 --> 00:30:27.189
they only stipulated that someone who's an interesting

1158
00:30:27.849 --> 00:30:29.550
speaker slash leader.

1159
00:30:30.329 --> 00:30:31.670
At the national level,

1160
00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:32.719
be brought in

1161
00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:35.280
to give a talk to the whole university

1162
00:30:35.459 --> 00:30:36.219
once a year.

1163
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:37.959
And the Rhodes,

1164
00:30:38.040 --> 00:30:38.560
the John J.

1165
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.949
Rhodes lectureship or chairship,

1166
00:30:41.280 --> 00:30:42.050
which by the way,

1167
00:30:42.109 --> 00:30:46.640
the use of the word chair indicates what it was once because it was once a chair

1168
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:48.680
who came in and had the chair and,

1169
00:30:48.689 --> 00:30:50.479
and had it sometimes for the whole semester,

1170
00:30:50.719 --> 00:30:52.410
sometimes for at least a couple of weeks,

1171
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.020
and had had a short course

1172
00:30:55.510 --> 00:30:56.310
lectureship or,

1173
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:57.890
or sometimes um

1174
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.420
just sort of once a week lecture flying in,

1175
00:31:00.560 --> 00:31:01.900
but for the whole semester,

1176
00:31:01.910 --> 00:31:01.920
um,

1177
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:03.260
but.

1178
00:31:03.729 --> 00:31:03.969
As,

1179
00:31:04.060 --> 00:31:04.329
as,

1180
00:31:04.569 --> 00:31:05.569
as a chair,

1181
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.109
as you'd expect a chair to be as a professor,

1182
00:31:08.719 --> 00:31:08.729
uh,

1183
00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:09.829
a teacher,

1184
00:31:10.329 --> 00:31:11.530
and a teacher of a course,

1185
00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:12.069
so,

1186
00:31:12.530 --> 00:31:16.349
and that was money that was given by the Rhodes family in honor of

1187
00:31:16.530 --> 00:31:16.890
John J.

1188
00:31:16.969 --> 00:31:17.280
Rhodes,

1189
00:31:17.290 --> 00:31:19.430
who of course was a famous congressman

1190
00:31:20.050 --> 00:31:22.209
in the United States Congress and who

1191
00:31:22.369 --> 00:31:23.189
was one of the people who,

1192
00:31:23.199 --> 00:31:25.390
who led Nixon to resign

1193
00:31:26.390 --> 00:31:26.400
at,

1194
00:31:26.489 --> 00:31:27.750
at a crucial point

1195
00:31:28.010 --> 00:31:28.680
in his,

1196
00:31:29.060 --> 00:31:30.390
in his presidency,

1197
00:31:30.449 --> 00:31:30.869
but

1198
00:31:32.229 --> 00:31:32.589
Anyway,

1199
00:31:32.709 --> 00:31:32.869
um,

1200
00:31:33.030 --> 00:31:33.989
these two things existed.

1201
00:31:34.030 --> 00:31:34.500
They were both,

1202
00:31:34.630 --> 00:31:35.489
they had both.

1203
00:31:36.459 --> 00:31:36.760
Been

1204
00:31:37.420 --> 00:31:38.699
um accruing money,

1205
00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:39.439
I guess.

1206
00:31:40.290 --> 00:31:42.699
Because people had continued to give at least to the Rhodes lectureship,

1207
00:31:42.750 --> 00:31:45.390
and maybe the centennial was just a straight gift from,

1208
00:31:45.859 --> 00:31:48.109
from the Flint Foundation that it was just accruing interest,

1209
00:31:48.209 --> 00:31:48.560
but

1210
00:31:48.819 --> 00:31:51.479
they both were 20,000 to $300,000

1211
00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:52.369
as their base,

1212
00:31:52.439 --> 00:31:53.640
so they were spinning off.

1213
00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:55.040
You know,

1214
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:57.680
$10,000 20,000 dollars

1215
00:31:58.300 --> 00:31:59.640
just in interest each year.

1216
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:01.459
And so,

1217
00:32:01.510 --> 00:32:02.030
um,

1218
00:32:03.510 --> 00:32:03.869
They were,

1219
00:32:03.959 --> 00:32:04.060
they were,

1220
00:32:04.229 --> 00:32:05.489
we were able to pay

1221
00:32:05.790 --> 00:32:08.050
speaker fees for people who were pretty well known.

1222
00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:12.939
Centennial was never more than just a speaker who came in for two or three days.

1223
00:32:13.469 --> 00:32:15.579
We would arrange visits to classes,

1224
00:32:16.290 --> 00:32:16.599
visits,

1225
00:32:17.150 --> 00:32:17.910
we would arrange visits.

1226
00:32:18.189 --> 00:32:20.670
We would always advertise them because we felt it was our responsibility,

1227
00:32:20.719 --> 00:32:21.290
even though

1228
00:32:21.550 --> 00:32:24.410
both of these had been given before I came in '03

1229
00:32:24.869 --> 00:32:26.369
to bear it to administer.

1230
00:32:27.430 --> 00:32:29.530
We felt it was important that they both,

1231
00:32:29.709 --> 00:32:30.250
they both.

1232
00:32:30.859 --> 00:32:30.890
We're,

1233
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:31.609
when,

1234
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.300
when we brought the,

1235
00:32:32.420 --> 00:32:32.540
the,

1236
00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:33.729
when we brought these people in,

1237
00:32:33.790 --> 00:32:33.939
they,

1238
00:32:33.989 --> 00:32:34.790
they had a chance to,

1239
00:32:34.900 --> 00:32:35.439
to meet

1240
00:32:35.619 --> 00:32:37.140
with people across the whole university,

1241
00:32:37.219 --> 00:32:38.859
so we always advertise who it was,

1242
00:32:38.979 --> 00:32:39.380
who it was,

1243
00:32:39.500 --> 00:32:39.550
we,

1244
00:32:39.619 --> 00:32:40.300
we'd write to.

1245
00:32:41.239 --> 00:32:42.079
Peggy

1246
00:32:42.250 --> 00:32:44.219
was very good at usually

1247
00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:48.579
knowing who might particularly be interested in the speakers we had chosen

1248
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:52.000
in other colleges or other departments

1249
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:53.439
and advertising their,

1250
00:32:53.520 --> 00:32:53.979
their,

1251
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:55.619
their presence

1252
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:56.979
so that they could

1253
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:57.479
meet with,

1254
00:32:57.489 --> 00:32:58.839
with people's classes in the,

1255
00:32:58.910 --> 00:33:00.979
in the larger ASU each time.

1256
00:33:02.250 --> 00:33:03.420
Particularly with the centennial,

1257
00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:04.979
because that centennial was never

1258
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:06.020
really a lecture,

1259
00:33:06.099 --> 00:33:06.900
it was a lectureship,

1260
00:33:06.979 --> 00:33:07.719
not a chair,

1261
00:33:08.310 --> 00:33:08.500
or,

1262
00:33:08.540 --> 00:33:10.800
or not meant to be a course that was taught.

1263
00:33:11.849 --> 00:33:13.069
The Rhodes lecture though,

1264
00:33:13.449 --> 00:33:14.670
which also could bring in,

1265
00:33:14.969 --> 00:33:17.170
you could use its interests each year

1266
00:33:17.719 --> 00:33:19.810
to bring in really well-known people and,

1267
00:33:19.910 --> 00:33:20.540
and

1268
00:33:20.849 --> 00:33:21.670
those people

1269
00:33:22.209 --> 00:33:24.010
were stipulated by the gift that they,

1270
00:33:24.609 --> 00:33:27.500
they involve great American institutions,

1271
00:33:28.530 --> 00:33:29.089
institutions that were,

1272
00:33:29.199 --> 00:33:30.670
that were seen as

1273
00:33:31.290 --> 00:33:31.959
important to the,

1274
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.410
to the development and the evolution in the history of the country.

1275
00:33:36.569 --> 00:33:37.290
As John Jay.

1276
00:33:37.410 --> 00:33:38.410
Rhodes himself was,

1277
00:33:38.530 --> 00:33:38.989
so,

1278
00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:39.709
um,

1279
00:33:39.810 --> 00:33:40.050
those,

1280
00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:41.209
but those when I first came,

1281
00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:41.449
we were,

1282
00:33:41.530 --> 00:33:45.109
we were picking someone who could come in for a couple of weeks or

1283
00:33:45.369 --> 00:33:47.109
even a month worth of

1284
00:33:47.329 --> 00:33:48.069
visits

1285
00:33:48.689 --> 00:33:49.150
and

1286
00:33:49.329 --> 00:33:50.430
have a chair.

1287
00:33:51.170 --> 00:33:52.010
Dedicated to them,

1288
00:33:52.250 --> 00:33:52.949
an office

1289
00:33:53.810 --> 00:33:56.469
which was the centennial lecturer didn't usually have.

1290
00:33:57.189 --> 00:33:57.510
But,

1291
00:33:57.550 --> 00:33:57.900
um,

1292
00:33:57.979 --> 00:34:00.439
an office because if their presence was going to be

1293
00:34:00.670 --> 00:34:03.530
as a teacher for several weeks or even a month or so,

1294
00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:05.930
then they needed to have and then they of

1295
00:34:05.930 --> 00:34:08.020
course needed an office to interact with students from,

1296
00:34:08.149 --> 00:34:08.610
so,

1297
00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:09.320
um.

1298
00:34:10.299 --> 00:34:10.539
That's,

1299
00:34:10.618 --> 00:34:10.978
that's what,

1300
00:34:11.059 --> 00:34:13.059
that's what the roads was like at the time.

1301
00:34:13.178 --> 00:34:14.539
Now the roads changed,

1302
00:34:14.938 --> 00:34:16.539
the centennial hasn't changed really.

1303
00:34:16.579 --> 00:34:17.697
It's still the same

1304
00:34:18.918 --> 00:34:20.438
wonderful opportunity to bring in a

1305
00:34:20.658 --> 00:34:22.188
really great person,

1306
00:34:23.069 --> 00:34:23.079
uh,

1307
00:34:23.378 --> 00:34:26.967
and the greatness could be defined in any way for the centennial pretty much,

1308
00:34:27.418 --> 00:34:27.678
but,

1309
00:34:27.779 --> 00:34:28.128
um,

1310
00:34:28.178 --> 00:34:29.018
but for the roads,

1311
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:29.658
it's still,

1312
00:34:29.678 --> 00:34:29.688
we,

1313
00:34:29.779 --> 00:34:30.009
we've,

1314
00:34:30.378 --> 00:34:30.509
we,

1315
00:34:30.579 --> 00:34:30.739
we,

1316
00:34:30.819 --> 00:34:32.118
we've maintained the

1317
00:34:32.658 --> 00:34:33.579
connection to.

1318
00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:36.949
Great Americans who have

1319
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:38.639
Particularly

1320
00:34:38.978 --> 00:34:39.679
been

1321
00:34:40.179 --> 00:34:40.918
successful

1322
00:34:41.260 --> 00:34:42.399
at promoting.

1323
00:34:43.208 --> 00:34:45.898
The welfare of the people in journalism

1324
00:34:46.208 --> 00:34:48.829
or poli politics or

1325
00:34:49.289 --> 00:34:52.668
or or sort of the public sphere in some way or other.

1326
00:34:53.108 --> 00:34:53.549
However,

1327
00:34:54.009 --> 00:34:55.228
the Rhodes family,

1328
00:34:55.529 --> 00:34:57.749
who was intimately involved with choosing

1329
00:34:58.168 --> 00:35:00.128
who the Rhodes speaker would be each year.

1330
00:35:01.020 --> 00:35:03.679
Began to ask after maybe

1331
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:05.360
2010 or so,

1332
00:35:05.500 --> 00:35:06.050
um,

1333
00:35:06.500 --> 00:35:08.239
whether we could have

1334
00:35:08.530 --> 00:35:10.679
people who were better known coming in.

1335
00:35:11.139 --> 00:35:14.739
Now the the trouble with that is to get someone like Condoleezza Rice,

1336
00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:15.300
um,

1337
00:35:15.370 --> 00:35:16.120
oops,

1338
00:35:16.540 --> 00:35:16.820
oh,

1339
00:35:17.060 --> 00:35:17.340
sorry,

1340
00:35:17.459 --> 00:35:19.280
that was just my my computer beeped at me.

1341
00:35:19.580 --> 00:35:21.290
To get someone like Condoleezza Rice,

1342
00:35:21.669 --> 00:35:24.320
she charges $200,000 for to speak.

1343
00:35:25.169 --> 00:35:25.540
Um,

1344
00:35:25.699 --> 00:35:26.330
usually,

1345
00:35:26.540 --> 00:35:27.320
and so,

1346
00:35:27.439 --> 00:35:27.959
um,

1347
00:35:29.300 --> 00:35:30.280
if we wanted to have someone,

1348
00:35:30.699 --> 00:35:30.709
we,

1349
00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:30.929
we,

1350
00:35:30.979 --> 00:35:31.070
we,

1351
00:35:31.129 --> 00:35:31.290
we,

1352
00:35:31.389 --> 00:35:31.489
we,

1353
00:35:31.580 --> 00:35:32.040
we got her,

1354
00:35:32.100 --> 00:35:32.500
but that's,

1355
00:35:32.620 --> 00:35:33.340
she's a different story.

1356
00:35:33.419 --> 00:35:36.179
We got her as a special visitor with Barbara's help,

1357
00:35:36.540 --> 00:35:38.540
but that I can go back and talk to you about that,

1358
00:35:38.620 --> 00:35:38.820
but,

1359
00:35:38.919 --> 00:35:39.300
but

1360
00:35:39.459 --> 00:35:41.060
she never came as a rose lecturer,

1361
00:35:41.139 --> 00:35:41.679
but

1362
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:43.270
To,

1363
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.159
to use the Rhodes endowment to get someone like that.

1364
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.419
We had to not,

1365
00:35:47.520 --> 00:35:49.040
we had to stop having it be

1366
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:50.679
a whole month residency.

1367
00:35:51.649 --> 00:35:51.989
Excuse me,

1368
00:35:52.010 --> 00:35:52.669
I just have to.

1369
00:35:54.739 --> 00:35:55.679
Take your time.

1370
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.439
That little sip of water,

1371
00:35:57.780 --> 00:35:58.239
um,

1372
00:35:58.540 --> 00:35:58.919
so.

1373
00:36:00.129 --> 00:36:01.090
So the Rhodes,

1374
00:36:01.489 --> 00:36:02.969
when the Rhodes family wanted to have

1375
00:36:03.290 --> 00:36:04.090
more prominent,

1376
00:36:04.409 --> 00:36:05.219
prominently,

1377
00:36:05.290 --> 00:36:06.739
obviously named

1378
00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:07.840
people come in,

1379
00:36:07.929 --> 00:36:08.919
because we had started,

1380
00:36:09.330 --> 00:36:12.459
we started finding good people but who were not so well known,

1381
00:36:12.889 --> 00:36:14.750
who could come for a month or so

1382
00:36:15.250 --> 00:36:15.659
because they,

1383
00:36:15.689 --> 00:36:15.790
they,

1384
00:36:15.929 --> 00:36:16.850
their schedules allowed it,

1385
00:36:16.889 --> 00:36:17.179
but the,

1386
00:36:17.250 --> 00:36:20.050
the more famous people couldn't come for that amount of time,

1387
00:36:20.090 --> 00:36:20.790
of course,

1388
00:36:21.370 --> 00:36:24.169
or they could only if they were paid a huge amount of money.

1389
00:36:24.850 --> 00:36:26.330
So we changed the roads,

1390
00:36:26.409 --> 00:36:29.850
the roads sort of changed to be more like the centennial in that sense.

1391
00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:32.320
And although it's still called the John J.

1392
00:36:32.439 --> 00:36:33.330
Rhodes Chair.

1393
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:34.250
Um,

1394
00:36:34.780 --> 00:36:35.260
and we,

1395
00:36:35.439 --> 00:36:35.449
we,

1396
00:36:35.939 --> 00:36:36.939
and because

1397
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.040
even with the centennial model,

1398
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.219
we made these people available for 3 or 4 days around the campus,

1399
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.750
and they still give a public lecture and they could go to visit other,

1400
00:36:45.830 --> 00:36:49.439
other classes besides just Barrett Honors classes.

1401
00:36:50.370 --> 00:36:50.709
Um,

1402
00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:52.030
so it was still,

1403
00:36:52.129 --> 00:36:53.399
it's still a very good

1404
00:36:53.699 --> 00:36:54.879
and useful

1405
00:36:55.530 --> 00:36:56.439
endowed

1406
00:36:56.899 --> 00:36:57.540
lectureship,

1407
00:36:57.620 --> 00:36:57.860
but it,

1408
00:36:57.939 --> 00:36:58.100
it,

1409
00:36:58.179 --> 00:37:00.040
it changed its nature a little bit,

1410
00:37:00.580 --> 00:37:02.080
and Ted Humphrey

1411
00:37:02.659 --> 00:37:02.899
was,

1412
00:37:02.979 --> 00:37:04.409
was sort of displeased with that,

1413
00:37:04.459 --> 00:37:04.699
I think,

1414
00:37:04.780 --> 00:37:05.439
because he had,

1415
00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:08.959
he had envisioned it when he first talked to the Rhodeses about,

1416
00:37:09.379 --> 00:37:09.820
about it.

1417
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.879
When they started talking to him about,

1418
00:37:12.959 --> 00:37:14.659
I don't know who initiated that

1419
00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:15.719
interaction,

1420
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:16.389
but it was,

1421
00:37:16.439 --> 00:37:17.580
it was always

1422
00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:19.040
tended to the honors college,

1423
00:37:19.120 --> 00:37:20.310
so Ted was involved.

1424
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.179
I think Ted really liked the idea of having a

1425
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.120
famous person come in and be able to interact with the students in,

1426
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:26.510
in,

1427
00:37:26.750 --> 00:37:29.639
in a less formal way over a longer period of time,

1428
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.020
like a classroom,

1429
00:37:31.439 --> 00:37:31.709
and I,

1430
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:32.040
I,

1431
00:37:32.120 --> 00:37:32.639
I sort of,

1432
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:33.459
certainly

1433
00:37:34.149 --> 00:37:35.679
spiritually agreed with that,

1434
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:36.379
but

1435
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:37.989
I also could see that the,

1436
00:37:38.050 --> 00:37:39.419
that the roses were.

1437
00:37:39.929 --> 00:37:42.929
We're wanting to have people who are more prominent come in,

1438
00:37:43.010 --> 00:37:47.030
so we changed it to be more like the centennial format of only 2 or 3 day visit.

1439
00:37:48.540 --> 00:37:48.620
Well,

1440
00:37:48.669 --> 00:37:52.600
it'll be interesting to see if or how it changes in the future.

1441
00:37:53.179 --> 00:37:53.489
Uh,

1442
00:37:53.580 --> 00:37:56.939
do any particular speakers in either series stand

1443
00:37:56.939 --> 00:37:59.780
out in your memory besides Condoleezza Rice?

1444
00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:00.699
Well,

1445
00:38:01.100 --> 00:38:02.959
who wasn't even really a Rhodesman.

1446
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:07.320
Condoleezza Rice was a world leader brought in by the Barrett funded,

1447
00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:09.179
funded special group,

1448
00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:10.919
special leaders series.

1449
00:38:11.689 --> 00:38:11.709
In fact,

1450
00:38:11.750 --> 00:38:12.459
she was the,

1451
00:38:12.489 --> 00:38:13.719
the first or 2nd 1 of those,

1452
00:38:13.780 --> 00:38:14.280
I think.

1453
00:38:15.050 --> 00:38:17.209
And that was an interesting case where that was,

1454
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:20.610
it was absolutely typical of how Barbara can help the honors college.

1455
00:38:20.689 --> 00:38:21.750
Barbara knows her.

1456
00:38:22.669 --> 00:38:22.909
She,

1457
00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:23.310
she,

1458
00:38:23.469 --> 00:38:24.909
she usually charges 200,000,

1459
00:38:25.030 --> 00:38:26.010
she only would charge,

1460
00:38:26.629 --> 00:38:27.310
she said she would,

1461
00:38:27.429 --> 00:38:28.709
she would do it for less,

1462
00:38:29.229 --> 00:38:30.310
only 100,000,

1463
00:38:30.389 --> 00:38:31.530
I think it was,

1464
00:38:31.949 --> 00:38:32.489
and,

1465
00:38:32.879 --> 00:38:33.570
and then,

1466
00:38:34.189 --> 00:38:34.810
and then

1467
00:38:35.439 --> 00:38:35.449
she,

1468
00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:38.370
she also only always travels first class.

1469
00:38:39.580 --> 00:38:39.899
Um,

1470
00:38:40.020 --> 00:38:42.010
and Barbara paid for one of those flights,

1471
00:38:42.060 --> 00:38:42.679
I believe.

1472
00:38:43.560 --> 00:38:44.120
So it was,

1473
00:38:44.179 --> 00:38:44.810
it was,

1474
00:38:44.870 --> 00:38:46.469
it was engineered by Barbara,

1475
00:38:46.479 --> 00:38:48.360
and she was one of the best speakers we'd ever had.

1476
00:38:48.550 --> 00:38:50.260
Students absolutely loved her

1477
00:38:50.629 --> 00:38:51.120
and her speech.

1478
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:51.479
I was,

1479
00:38:51.520 --> 00:38:51.750
I,

1480
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:52.239
I,

1481
00:38:52.399 --> 00:38:53.540
I was the sort of

1482
00:38:53.879 --> 00:38:55.080
just the mediator of the speech,

1483
00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:55.870
so I heard it,

1484
00:38:55.879 --> 00:38:56.280
and it was,

1485
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.340
it was a fantastic speech.

1486
00:38:59.560 --> 00:38:59.840
Um,

1487
00:38:59.959 --> 00:39:02.350
that was in 2017 that she came,

1488
00:39:02.439 --> 00:39:03.939
just if that helps us

1489
00:39:04.370 --> 00:39:04.919
remember.

1490
00:39:05.260 --> 00:39:05.360
Yeah,

1491
00:39:05.439 --> 00:39:05.879
I think it was,

1492
00:39:05.949 --> 00:39:06.479
it was,

1493
00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:09.459
it was the first year of Trump's first term.

1494
00:39:10.879 --> 00:39:14.270
So that was also the year that uh another global leader,

1495
00:39:14.479 --> 00:39:15.520
as you mentioned before,

1496
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.500
the former defense minister of Finland,

1497
00:39:19.040 --> 00:39:19.479
um,

1498
00:39:19.560 --> 00:39:21.179
and Undersecretary of the

1499
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:25.560
general of the United Nations came in that same year that Condoleezza Rice came in.

1500
00:39:25.919 --> 00:39:26.080
Right,

1501
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:26.409
right,

1502
00:39:26.520 --> 00:39:26.949
right.

1503
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.419
Those are all global leaders brought in by the Barrett funded.

1504
00:39:31.040 --> 00:39:31.570
Uh,

1505
00:39:31.580 --> 00:39:31.760
programs,

1506
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:32.399
so those were,

1507
00:39:32.449 --> 00:39:33.060
that was,

1508
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:34.760
it was absolutely incredible,

1509
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:35.800
but they weren't,

1510
00:39:35.860 --> 00:39:36.379
they weren't

1511
00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:37.719
Rhodes or Centennials speakers.

1512
00:39:37.810 --> 00:39:38.100
Yeah,

1513
00:39:38.399 --> 00:39:41.100
so any Rhodes or Centennial speakers stand out to you?

1514
00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:41.739
Oh yes,

1515
00:39:42.040 --> 00:39:42.419
very,

1516
00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:43.310
very much.

1517
00:39:43.389 --> 00:39:43.820
Um,

1518
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:44.320
well,

1519
00:39:44.399 --> 00:39:44.679
I mean,

1520
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:45.699
first of all,

1521
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:46.600
um,

1522
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.959
Jules Feiffer is one of my favorite people of all time.

1523
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:50.399
See,

1524
00:39:50.439 --> 00:39:50.709
the thing,

1525
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.580
the thing about Rhodes and Centennial was

1526
00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:53.580
a small group

1527
00:39:54.030 --> 00:39:55.040
of people like Barrett,

1528
00:39:55.110 --> 00:39:56.229
who has always included me,

1529
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:58.100
got to pick who these people were.

1530
00:39:58.899 --> 00:39:59.719
And it was wonderful,

1531
00:40:00.189 --> 00:40:01.860
it was a chance to bring in anyone that

1532
00:40:02.149 --> 00:40:03.429
that one liked,

1533
00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:04.300
um,

1534
00:40:04.709 --> 00:40:05.129
because

1535
00:40:05.350 --> 00:40:06.110
luckily we all,

1536
00:40:06.229 --> 00:40:06.830
we all,

1537
00:40:07.429 --> 00:40:10.449
a small group of people who were sort of the chair of the faculty,

1538
00:40:11.110 --> 00:40:11.659
um,

1539
00:40:12.629 --> 00:40:13.909
the troika that was running,

1540
00:40:13.919 --> 00:40:14.459
Barrett,

1541
00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:15.550
Kristen,

1542
00:40:15.709 --> 00:40:16.489
Peggy and me,

1543
00:40:16.580 --> 00:40:17.810
and just a few other people

1544
00:40:18.379 --> 00:40:20.830
were almost always in agreement each year about what we should do.

1545
00:40:21.030 --> 00:40:22.929
We were very careful to balance it with

1546
00:40:23.270 --> 00:40:24.010
by gender.

1547
00:40:25.060 --> 00:40:26.719
By area of topics,

1548
00:40:27.020 --> 00:40:27.179
um,

1549
00:40:27.340 --> 00:40:28.439
particularly the centennial,

1550
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:29.489
because the centennial was,

1551
00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:30.840
was open to any area,

1552
00:40:31.629 --> 00:40:31.810
so we,

1553
00:40:31.919 --> 00:40:31.939
we,

1554
00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:35.610
we were trying very liberally to be balanced in all sorts of ways,

1555
00:40:35.620 --> 00:40:36.090
and we were,

1556
00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:37.500
we were successful at that.

1557
00:40:37.820 --> 00:40:38.500
But within that,

1558
00:40:38.770 --> 00:40:39.830
within those strictures,

1559
00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:40.760
we could pick,

1560
00:40:40.820 --> 00:40:41.100
it was,

1561
00:40:41.139 --> 00:40:42.020
it was like a

1562
00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:44.320
carte blanche to bring in anyone you wanted,

1563
00:40:44.419 --> 00:40:46.439
and we had this huge endowment behind it,

1564
00:40:46.540 --> 00:40:46.850
basically,

1565
00:40:46.939 --> 00:40:47.090
so,

1566
00:40:47.300 --> 00:40:47.699
so

1567
00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:49.370
as a payment for just one lecture,

1568
00:40:49.419 --> 00:40:51.899
it was still a very good deal for the people coming and visiting,

1569
00:40:51.939 --> 00:40:52.350
so we could,

1570
00:40:52.459 --> 00:40:53.979
we could attract really good people.

1571
00:40:54.570 --> 00:40:56.149
We had Jules Feiffer,

1572
00:40:56.649 --> 00:40:57.199
we had,

1573
00:40:57.209 --> 00:40:57.790
um,

1574
00:40:58.169 --> 00:40:59.350
Edward Albee.

1575
00:40:59.810 --> 00:41:00.739
My mother was really,

1576
00:41:00.889 --> 00:41:02.550
really jealous of me for that.

1577
00:41:02.969 --> 00:41:03.050
She,

1578
00:41:03.169 --> 00:41:03.570
she always,

1579
00:41:03.689 --> 00:41:04.969
she was an English teacher in high school and

1580
00:41:04.969 --> 00:41:07.790
she always taught Albee plays and she loved them.

1581
00:41:08.169 --> 00:41:09.439
I got him to sign a

1582
00:41:10.169 --> 00:41:12.159
copy of his most recent play for her,

1583
00:41:12.330 --> 00:41:12.729
but,

1584
00:41:13.129 --> 00:41:13.429
um,

1585
00:41:13.449 --> 00:41:13.889
he was,

1586
00:41:14.250 --> 00:41:15.830
these people were fantastic.

1587
00:41:16.370 --> 00:41:16.719
I mean,

1588
00:41:16.889 --> 00:41:17.689
you can look at the list,

1589
00:41:17.770 --> 00:41:20.110
it's it's really a wonderful list of.

1590
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:20.689
Of

1591
00:41:21.600 --> 00:41:24.840
some of them activists in certain environmental areas,

1592
00:41:24.919 --> 00:41:25.679
but others

1593
00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:27.179
just famous people.

1594
00:41:28.439 --> 00:41:28.750
Yes,

1595
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:34.280
the centennial in 2024 was Martin Luther King Jr.s daughter,

1596
00:41:34.479 --> 00:41:35.379
Bernice King,

1597
00:41:35.520 --> 00:41:36.520
and that was a,

1598
00:41:36.959 --> 00:41:37.580
a very

1599
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:40.600
meaningful one for folks to attend to.

1600
00:41:40.669 --> 00:41:42.139
And it inspired me

1601
00:41:42.479 --> 00:41:44.540
to add a Martin Luther King

1602
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:45.159
Jr.

1603
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.139
text to my spring

1604
00:41:47.669 --> 00:41:48.600
human event class,

1605
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:49.870
272.

1606
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:50.959
And,

1607
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:51.350
you know,

1608
00:41:51.399 --> 00:41:51.739
I,

1609
00:41:51.959 --> 00:41:53.129
I wish I'd done it sooner,

1610
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.570
but I think that kind of interaction

1611
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:56.860
between

1612
00:41:57.120 --> 00:41:57.620
having

1613
00:41:58.389 --> 00:42:00.370
Different kinds of thinkers come in and

1614
00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:04.139
When faculty and students go to these,

1615
00:42:04.350 --> 00:42:04.770
it

1616
00:42:05.070 --> 00:42:08.389
inspires them to look deeper or broader than they had before.

1617
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:08.780
Yeah,

1618
00:42:09.070 --> 00:42:09.469
absolutely,

1619
00:42:09.590 --> 00:42:10.570
and that's the whole idea

1620
00:42:11.149 --> 00:42:12.570
of any speaker series.

1621
00:42:12.989 --> 00:42:13.350
In fact,

1622
00:42:13.389 --> 00:42:14.969
when I first came in '03.

1623
00:42:15.459 --> 00:42:15.649
There,

1624
00:42:15.830 --> 00:42:17.139
the Rose and Centennial existed,

1625
00:42:17.179 --> 00:42:18.260
but there weren't any of these others,

1626
00:42:18.379 --> 00:42:18.399
not,

1627
00:42:18.540 --> 00:42:20.699
not the global leaders or anything else like that,

1628
00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:23.760
so I started the honors lecture series by myself,

1629
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:24.510
because I,

1630
00:42:24.580 --> 00:42:26.280
and that was supposed to be just other

1631
00:42:26.419 --> 00:42:29.199
really interesting people from ASU or maybe from,

1632
00:42:29.739 --> 00:42:30.820
from Phoenix itself,

1633
00:42:30.899 --> 00:42:32.149
but mostly from ASU,

1634
00:42:32.620 --> 00:42:33.520
other faculty,

1635
00:42:33.979 --> 00:42:34.250
just so,

1636
00:42:34.439 --> 00:42:34.489
so,

1637
00:42:34.580 --> 00:42:37.199
so that our faculty and other faculty at

1638
00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:39.040
the big ASU could,

1639
00:42:39.050 --> 00:42:39.159
could.

1640
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:41.879
Understand what what what what really good work was

1641
00:42:41.879 --> 00:42:44.600
going on just at ASU by ASU faculty,

1642
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:45.639
and when that started,

1643
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:48.419
it was 3 or 4 speakers each semester,

1644
00:42:49.080 --> 00:42:49.669
because there wasn't,

1645
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.919
there wasn't any other lecture series at the time,

1646
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.280
except for Rose and Centennial,

1647
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.120
which were one-offs in the fall and the spring,

1648
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:55.899
of course,

1649
00:42:56.520 --> 00:42:56.739
um,

1650
00:42:56.879 --> 00:42:57.120
so I'm,

1651
00:42:57.189 --> 00:42:57.360
I'm,

1652
00:42:57.429 --> 00:42:58.649
I'm sort of proud of starting that,

1653
00:42:58.709 --> 00:43:00.520
although it's sort of fallen by the wayside

1654
00:43:00.520 --> 00:43:03.620
just because we've got so many other gloriously

1655
00:43:03.959 --> 00:43:06.100
wonderful people coming in anyway now.

1656
00:43:06.580 --> 00:43:07.500
But the whole idea,

1657
00:43:07.510 --> 00:43:07.669
again,

1658
00:43:07.790 --> 00:43:10.090
the spirit behind all of these was

1659
00:43:10.750 --> 00:43:11.350
for the travel,

1660
00:43:11.389 --> 00:43:14.659
it was the wonderful education that travel can give you,

1661
00:43:15.030 --> 00:43:16.429
and it's the same thing goes for the,

1662
00:43:16.520 --> 00:43:16.969
for the,

1663
00:43:17.080 --> 00:43:17.189
for,

1664
00:43:17.350 --> 00:43:18.169
for just a single

1665
00:43:18.899 --> 00:43:20.350
set of lectures that you can,

1666
00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:22.330
that you can go to regularly

1667
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:22.919
or,

1668
00:43:22.949 --> 00:43:26.320
or choose when to go to that that can stimulate you the way,

1669
00:43:26.669 --> 00:43:26.939
the way,

1670
00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:27.219
for instance,

1671
00:43:27.310 --> 00:43:29.560
Martin Luther King's daughter stimulated you,

1672
00:43:30.189 --> 00:43:30.570
but

1673
00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:31.260
if you,

1674
00:43:31.469 --> 00:43:33.489
I wanted to set up a framework where

1675
00:43:33.919 --> 00:43:36.669
People would be coming in regularly to give those kinds of talks,

1676
00:43:36.959 --> 00:43:37.189
just to,

1677
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:37.439
just,

1678
00:43:37.479 --> 00:43:39.060
just for all of our edification.

1679
00:43:41.429 --> 00:43:41.550
Well,

1680
00:43:41.669 --> 00:43:42.969
good job on that,

1681
00:43:43.189 --> 00:43:45.030
and perhaps you could expand

1682
00:43:45.189 --> 00:43:48.489
a little bit more about a difference between the Centennial

1683
00:43:48.889 --> 00:43:50.879
lecture series and the Rhodes

1684
00:43:51.040 --> 00:43:51.870
lecture series,

1685
00:43:51.989 --> 00:43:54.040
which is the broadsides.

1686
00:43:56.189 --> 00:43:58.429
What do you remember or know about the

1687
00:43:58.429 --> 00:44:01.969
broadsides that happen in connection with the centennial?

1688
00:44:02.270 --> 00:44:02.389
Well,

1689
00:44:02.510 --> 00:44:04.060
that was the broadsides were,

1690
00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:04.929
were already.

1691
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:07.340
A tradition of the,

1692
00:44:07.439 --> 00:44:08.110
of the roads,

1693
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:08.860
wasn't it?

1694
00:44:11.020 --> 00:44:11.139
No,

1695
00:44:11.219 --> 00:44:13.520
it's actually connected to the centennial.

1696
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:13.979
OK,

1697
00:44:14.060 --> 00:44:14.260
OK,

1698
00:44:14.419 --> 00:44:14.530
so,

1699
00:44:14.649 --> 00:44:15.620
so that was,

1700
00:44:15.899 --> 00:44:16.550
that was,

1701
00:44:16.600 --> 00:44:17.100
that was started by,

1702
00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:18.020
by Ted,

1703
00:44:18.060 --> 00:44:18.830
I assume.

1704
00:44:19.610 --> 00:44:20.909
I'm gonna ask him

1705
00:44:21.409 --> 00:44:24.330
specifically about the broadsides next time we speak,

1706
00:44:24.419 --> 00:44:25.070
but I just

1707
00:44:25.290 --> 00:44:27.510
wondered if you had any insight on them,

1708
00:44:27.520 --> 00:44:28.729
and the process of them,

1709
00:44:28.770 --> 00:44:29.149
or

1710
00:44:29.489 --> 00:44:31.030
how the speaker

1711
00:44:31.889 --> 00:44:32.350
maybe

1712
00:44:32.570 --> 00:44:33.330
felt honored,

1713
00:44:33.370 --> 00:44:36.129
or if they didn't like sitting there and signing them,

1714
00:44:36.209 --> 00:44:38.270
cause sometimes a number of them are signed.

1715
00:44:38.610 --> 00:44:38.879
Oh yeah,

1716
00:44:38.969 --> 00:44:39.250
there's,

1717
00:44:39.370 --> 00:44:41.149
there's about 50 that are usually made.

1718
00:44:41.979 --> 00:44:44.850
And something like 50 signed by the by the speaker.

1719
00:44:45.139 --> 00:44:46.699
That was the tradition that was there.

1720
00:44:47.020 --> 00:44:50.560
I have copies of almost every one of those that that would happen during my

1721
00:44:50.899 --> 00:44:52.939
19 years and they're they're wonderful.

1722
00:44:53.260 --> 00:44:53.389
They're,

1723
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:54.399
I mean,

1724
00:44:54.419 --> 00:44:55.780
the artists who made them.

1725
00:44:56.780 --> 00:44:58.199
was a terrific,

1726
00:44:58.739 --> 00:44:59.689
a terrific artist,

1727
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:00.399
first of all.

1728
00:45:00.580 --> 00:45:00.689
So,

1729
00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:01.300
so they were,

1730
00:45:01.379 --> 00:45:01.699
they had,

1731
00:45:01.770 --> 00:45:02.919
they had lots of,

1732
00:45:03.580 --> 00:45:04.040
of

1733
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:05.939
worth just because of their,

1734
00:45:06.050 --> 00:45:06.820
their beauty.

1735
00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:08.379
Then there was usually a,

1736
00:45:08.459 --> 00:45:11.239
a quote that was picked out from the person's work,

1737
00:45:11.820 --> 00:45:13.379
and I don't know whether the artist picked that

1738
00:45:13.379 --> 00:45:15.250
out or whether it was picked out by the,

1739
00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:16.379
by the speaker.

1740
00:45:16.459 --> 00:45:20.659
I don't remember how that happened because it was sort of separately negotiated.

1741
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:21.699
And they,

1742
00:45:21.780 --> 00:45:24.360
they were sort of secretly signing the 50.

1743
00:45:25.540 --> 00:45:26.409
Broadsides,

1744
00:45:26.419 --> 00:45:27.060
um,

1745
00:45:27.510 --> 00:45:28.060
before they,

1746
00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:29.399
before they,

1747
00:45:29.899 --> 00:45:30.800
before they left,

1748
00:45:31.100 --> 00:45:33.610
but I never was in on the signing too much,

1749
00:45:33.969 --> 00:45:35.610
except for when I had to sign them myself,

1750
00:45:35.659 --> 00:45:35.979
of course,

1751
00:45:36.060 --> 00:45:36.719
at the end,

1752
00:45:37.100 --> 00:45:37.899
but um,

1753
00:45:38.810 --> 00:45:39.560
It was,

1754
00:45:39.810 --> 00:45:39.919
so,

1755
00:45:40.010 --> 00:45:40.199
so,

1756
00:45:40.290 --> 00:45:41.290
so the quote,

1757
00:45:41.530 --> 00:45:43.350
the beauty of the piece itself,

1758
00:45:43.969 --> 00:45:46.629
and then the fact that that that they commemorated a

1759
00:45:47.330 --> 00:45:49.429
a famous person coming to give a talk.

1760
00:45:50.600 --> 00:45:51.199
So that's,

1761
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.290
that was Jules Feiffer's

1762
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:55.780
one that I have a copy of

1763
00:45:56.120 --> 00:45:56.879
has his signature.

1764
00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:57.080
Some,

1765
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.219
some of these things are probably worth quite a lot of

1766
00:45:59.560 --> 00:46:00.040
money now,

1767
00:46:00.129 --> 00:46:01.429
although that's not the purpose of them.

1768
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:03.040
I would never sell them,

1769
00:46:03.439 --> 00:46:06.159
but we put them up in the hallway to sort of show students.

1770
00:46:06.949 --> 00:46:06.959
Uh,

1771
00:46:07.709 --> 00:46:07.909
who,

1772
00:46:08.070 --> 00:46:10.610
what sort of people have been coming in for the centennial.

1773
00:46:11.439 --> 00:46:14.020
So I think that the tradition was a terrific one.

1774
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:14.820
I did not,

1775
00:46:14.959 --> 00:46:16.479
I cannot claim credit for that starting,

1776
00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:17.879
I think it must have been Ted

1777
00:46:18.370 --> 00:46:19.629
or someone else who started the,

1778
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:21.959
the tradition of having a broadside at all,

1779
00:46:22.080 --> 00:46:23.260
but the broadsides were,

1780
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.909
were really valuable on multiple levels,

1781
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:26.719
I feel.

1782
00:46:28.070 --> 00:46:28.810
They,

1783
00:46:29.270 --> 00:46:30.610
they were and are and,

1784
00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:31.729
and could be.

1785
00:46:32.439 --> 00:46:33.080
Again,

1786
00:46:33.250 --> 00:46:34.750
in the sense that

1787
00:46:35.250 --> 00:46:36.489
at the time of the event,

1788
00:46:36.649 --> 00:46:40.870
for anyone listening to this who hasn't been to a centennial lecture,

1789
00:46:41.370 --> 00:46:41.790
there's

1790
00:46:41.969 --> 00:46:43.189
often a

1791
00:46:43.409 --> 00:46:45.429
reception beforehand,

1792
00:46:45.699 --> 00:46:46.330
and

1793
00:46:46.689 --> 00:46:48.250
one of the broadsides,

1794
00:46:48.649 --> 00:46:49.310
which is

1795
00:46:49.530 --> 00:46:52.449
kind of a hand printed or printed in an old style,

1796
00:46:52.530 --> 00:46:53.649
not mass produced,

1797
00:46:53.729 --> 00:46:54.370
but on

1798
00:46:54.860 --> 00:46:55.800
Very thick,

1799
00:46:56.100 --> 00:46:56.459
um,

1800
00:46:56.540 --> 00:46:57.719
ragged edge paper

1801
00:46:58.139 --> 00:46:59.080
that somebody

1802
00:46:59.419 --> 00:47:02.719
has hand lovingly printed a limited series of

1803
00:47:03.060 --> 00:47:05.699
is framed in some really lovely way,

1804
00:47:05.709 --> 00:47:06.679
and then it's

1805
00:47:06.939 --> 00:47:07.840
unveiled

1806
00:47:08.100 --> 00:47:08.879
at the

1807
00:47:09.219 --> 00:47:11.820
centennial lecture before the lecture begins.

1808
00:47:12.100 --> 00:47:12.540
So there's a,

1809
00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:15.620
a nice little bit of ritual or ceremony in that moment,

1810
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:16.239
at least.

1811
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:17.419
Absolutely,

1812
00:47:17.459 --> 00:47:18.439
I totally agree.

1813
00:47:18.770 --> 00:47:19.340
It's a wonderful,

1814
00:47:19.520 --> 00:47:20.560
wonderful tradition.

1815
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:22.760
And I

1816
00:47:23.419 --> 00:47:26.090
I would like to talk more to you and

1817
00:47:26.469 --> 00:47:29.389
Ted about some of the ways those broadsides

1818
00:47:29.389 --> 00:47:32.030
may have been used in relationship building or,

1819
00:47:32.300 --> 00:47:33.350
or could be used

1820
00:47:33.550 --> 00:47:34.419
in the future,

1821
00:47:34.469 --> 00:47:35.850
because now we have

1822
00:47:36.270 --> 00:47:39.169
over 30 years' worth of broadsides,

1823
00:47:39.229 --> 00:47:39.760
and

1824
00:47:39.870 --> 00:47:41.330
I have been through them,

1825
00:47:41.669 --> 00:47:43.590
and I'm still working my way through them.

1826
00:47:43.669 --> 00:47:48.340
And there was a time in our history where we made as many as 150 of them,

1827
00:47:48.629 --> 00:47:51.709
and other times where we made as few as only 10.

1828
00:47:52.070 --> 00:47:52.080
And

1829
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.350
that's interesting to think about how those can be used,

1830
00:47:57.790 --> 00:47:58.250
um,

1831
00:47:58.429 --> 00:48:01.389
as gifts or for relationship building or education,

1832
00:48:01.510 --> 00:48:02.070
etc.

1833
00:48:02.389 --> 00:48:02.790
There's a,

1834
00:48:02.870 --> 00:48:04.050
a richness there

1835
00:48:04.429 --> 00:48:05.770
that I think over

1836
00:48:05.989 --> 00:48:07.250
Barrett's history has gone

1837
00:48:07.469 --> 00:48:09.030
up and down over the years and,

1838
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.919
and we're in a spell right now where we're maybe not

1839
00:48:12.270 --> 00:48:13.330
utilizing

1840
00:48:13.510 --> 00:48:16.709
or leveraging everything around the centennial series and

1841
00:48:16.709 --> 00:48:19.469
these broadsides as much as we possibly could.

1842
00:48:20.790 --> 00:48:22.310
That's probably in part due to the,

1843
00:48:22.389 --> 00:48:22.899
to the,

1844
00:48:22.909 --> 00:48:23.449
um,

1845
00:48:23.949 --> 00:48:26.929
the lack of continuity we've had in our director of development,

1846
00:48:27.429 --> 00:48:27.739
you know,

1847
00:48:27.989 --> 00:48:28.110
that,

1848
00:48:28.189 --> 00:48:28.540
that,

1849
00:48:28.629 --> 00:48:29.979
that's the person who is usually,

1850
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:30.300
when,

1851
00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:30.459
when

1852
00:48:30.629 --> 00:48:31.379
when you say that they,

1853
00:48:31.449 --> 00:48:33.459
they were used sometimes in the past as gifts,

1854
00:48:33.510 --> 00:48:34.780
they certainly were,

1855
00:48:35.270 --> 00:48:36.709
and that was usually by,

1856
00:48:36.870 --> 00:48:39.580
it was initiated by the person who was the director of development to,

1857
00:48:39.590 --> 00:48:40.889
to give to one of the

1858
00:48:41.149 --> 00:48:42.929
donors in honor of,

1859
00:48:43.189 --> 00:48:45.120
in honor of their birthday or some,

1860
00:48:45.270 --> 00:48:45.790
some,

1861
00:48:46.229 --> 00:48:46.689
some

1862
00:48:47.070 --> 00:48:48.110
aspects of their life,

1863
00:48:48.229 --> 00:48:48.340
but,

1864
00:48:48.429 --> 00:48:48.709
but.

1865
00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:51.850
was going through the broadsides to pick someone or

1866
00:48:51.850 --> 00:48:54.669
a quote or a person who they knew that

1867
00:48:54.919 --> 00:48:56.530
that that that donor probably liked

1868
00:48:57.030 --> 00:48:57.600
particularly,

1869
00:48:57.989 --> 00:48:59.310
and that has been done in the past,

1870
00:48:59.389 --> 00:49:00.060
I know,

1871
00:49:00.469 --> 00:49:00.820
but it's,

1872
00:49:00.870 --> 00:49:02.439
it's a great wealth of,

1873
00:49:03.100 --> 00:49:05.010
it's sort of a treasure trove of

1874
00:49:05.389 --> 00:49:06.830
items that could be used that way,

1875
00:49:06.909 --> 00:49:07.030
but,

1876
00:49:07.290 --> 00:49:08.260
but I think the,

1877
00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:11.570
the interruptions we've had in the director of development position

1878
00:49:12.110 --> 00:49:16.050
have prevented someone from getting that into being a tradition itself.

1879
00:49:16.629 --> 00:49:18.350
Thank you for mentioning that.

1880
00:49:18.850 --> 00:49:19.330
Mark,

1881
00:49:19.489 --> 00:49:20.189
I

1882
00:49:21.770 --> 00:49:25.290
had spoken to a director of development about this before and you're right.

1883
00:49:25.370 --> 00:49:25.610
I mean,

1884
00:49:25.729 --> 00:49:26.570
she was excited.

1885
00:49:26.629 --> 00:49:27.409
She didn't know

1886
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:28.679
we really had

1887
00:49:29.010 --> 00:49:30.750
some that we could share and

1888
00:49:31.209 --> 00:49:32.689
before she and I got to

1889
00:49:32.929 --> 00:49:34.149
dig into it more,

1890
00:49:34.449 --> 00:49:34.949
she

1891
00:49:35.449 --> 00:49:36.050
was.

1892
00:49:37.070 --> 00:49:38.770
Headhunted away to the

1893
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:40.139
Mayo Clinic.

1894
00:49:40.469 --> 00:49:40.860
So,

1895
00:49:41.149 --> 00:49:41.449
now,

1896
00:49:41.669 --> 00:49:43.300
now yet a new person is coming in,

1897
00:49:43.340 --> 00:49:44.709
and I haven't had a chance to,

1898
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:46.250
to meet that person yet.

1899
00:49:46.669 --> 00:49:46.750
Well,

1900
00:49:46.830 --> 00:49:47.020
if you,

1901
00:49:47.100 --> 00:49:48.129
if you're the connection

1902
00:49:48.350 --> 00:49:50.149
between that kind of person and

1903
00:49:50.429 --> 00:49:51.169
you're the one who's,

1904
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:51.429
I mean,

1905
00:49:51.510 --> 00:49:54.000
I didn't know anyone had gone through all of them the way you have,

1906
00:49:54.070 --> 00:49:54.179
that,

1907
00:49:54.250 --> 00:49:55.590
that's really great that you do,

1908
00:49:55.709 --> 00:49:55.780
you,

1909
00:49:55.870 --> 00:49:55.979
you,

1910
00:49:56.070 --> 00:49:58.169
you're probably the very valuable person

1911
00:49:58.949 --> 00:50:01.219
in terms of the knowledge of those broadsides to,

1912
00:50:01.310 --> 00:50:02.219
to all of Barrett,

1913
00:50:02.229 --> 00:50:03.870
and you should be the one who talks to the,

1914
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.790
To the next director of development to tell them about them.

1915
00:50:08.080 --> 00:50:08.600
Thank you.

1916
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:09.110
I'll,

1917
00:50:09.120 --> 00:50:09.590
um,

1918
00:50:09.699 --> 00:50:10.260
I

1919
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:11.330
will do that.

1920
00:50:12.169 --> 00:50:13.659
I just want to,

1921
00:50:14.020 --> 00:50:14.659
to note

1922
00:50:14.860 --> 00:50:15.280
that

1923
00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:17.820
I can't believe how time has flown by.

1924
00:50:17.939 --> 00:50:18.399
We're

1925
00:50:18.899 --> 00:50:21.820
approaching an hour in this conversation,

1926
00:50:21.899 --> 00:50:23.600
and there's so many things

1927
00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:25.739
I didn't get to ask you about.

1928
00:50:26.580 --> 00:50:29.739
We can talk for a bit longer in this conversation,

1929
00:50:30.090 --> 00:50:30.500
especially,

1930
00:50:30.540 --> 00:50:32.580
it might be useful if there's anything else we

1931
00:50:32.580 --> 00:50:35.149
can think about on the themes that we've already been

1932
00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:36.139
talking about,

1933
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:37.959
about global education and

1934
00:50:38.189 --> 00:50:41.939
lecture series and community outreach and relationship building,

1935
00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:44.360
but I hope that you'll be willing to

1936
00:50:44.580 --> 00:50:47.879
please schedule another conversation because I've got quite a list of

1937
00:50:48.260 --> 00:50:50.580
achievements that you've done and things I'd like to.

1938
00:50:51.229 --> 00:50:51.729
To

1939
00:50:52.149 --> 00:50:52.639
help,

1940
00:50:52.709 --> 00:50:53.219
um,

1941
00:50:53.229 --> 00:50:57.389
the current and future generations appreciate more about your time at Barrett.

1942
00:50:58.030 --> 00:50:58.330
Of course,

1943
00:50:58.429 --> 00:50:59.629
I'd be happy to talk any,

1944
00:50:59.750 --> 00:51:01.570
any amount of future times.

1945
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:04.370
Thank you for that willingness.

1946
00:51:04.689 --> 00:51:04.899
Sure,

1947
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:05.610
of course.

1948
00:51:06.620 --> 00:51:07.179
So,

1949
00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:10.780
In terms of the honors lecture series,

1950
00:51:10.899 --> 00:51:11.879
the roads,

1951
00:51:12.139 --> 00:51:13.030
the centennial,

1952
00:51:13.729 --> 00:51:14.399
anything else

1953
00:51:14.939 --> 00:51:17.320
about those topics or

1954
00:51:17.790 --> 00:51:19.139
global resolve,

1955
00:51:19.659 --> 00:51:21.479
global education in general

1956
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:22.899
that comes to mind?

1957
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:23.879
We've,

1958
00:51:23.959 --> 00:51:25.340
I've sort of explained the

1959
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:26.939
philosophy behind

1960
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.320
wanting to have those programs already.

1961
00:51:29.919 --> 00:51:29.929
And,

1962
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:31.939
and I think we have covered a lot of them

1963
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:32.860
actually.

1964
00:51:33.080 --> 00:51:33.090
Good.

1965
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:34.290
There's not,

1966
00:51:35.050 --> 00:51:35.060
yeah,

1967
00:51:35.229 --> 00:51:38.100
there's not another major one out there that I don't think we've covered.

1968
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:39.899
So I think what

1969
00:51:40.100 --> 00:51:40.979
may be

1970
00:51:41.520 --> 00:51:44.100
useful for us to do then is to punctuate

1971
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.820
this conversation so that we've got

1972
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.659
a nice nugget on these topics,

1973
00:51:49.879 --> 00:51:52.100
and I'll save some of my questions.

1974
00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:53.199
For

1975
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.060
another time,

1976
00:51:55.409 --> 00:51:55.979
except that,

1977
00:51:56.020 --> 00:51:56.219
you know,

1978
00:51:56.379 --> 00:51:58.649
since we did start talking a little bit about

1979
00:51:59.860 --> 00:52:01.280
development and

1980
00:52:01.620 --> 00:52:04.199
fundraising and relationship building and

1981
00:52:04.520 --> 00:52:05.239
perhaps using

1982
00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:07.000
the broadsides

1983
00:52:07.780 --> 00:52:08.399
to

1984
00:52:08.739 --> 00:52:10.840
that end again in the future,

1985
00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:13.520
I wonder if you could talk about

1986
00:52:14.100 --> 00:52:15.679
campaign 2020,

1987
00:52:15.899 --> 00:52:18.320
and I know 2020 was when

1988
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:20.979
the COVID-19 pandemic hit.

1989
00:52:21.409 --> 00:52:24.040
I also know that that's,

1990
00:52:24.379 --> 00:52:24.820
you know,

1991
00:52:24.939 --> 00:52:25.090
a,

1992
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:26.330
a few years later,

1993
00:52:26.540 --> 00:52:27.300
you retired,

1994
00:52:27.379 --> 00:52:27.870
but for,

1995
00:52:28.070 --> 00:52:28.479
for

1996
00:52:28.659 --> 00:52:30.800
a few years before

1997
00:52:31.729 --> 00:52:33.959
campaign 2020 ended with

1998
00:52:34.419 --> 00:52:34.879
in that

1999
00:52:35.060 --> 00:52:35.899
COVID year,

2000
00:52:36.100 --> 00:52:37.239
I remember you being

2001
00:52:38.050 --> 00:52:39.750
Active and creative

2002
00:52:39.929 --> 00:52:40.469
in

2003
00:52:40.969 --> 00:52:42.489
the campaign 2020 effort.

2004
00:52:42.610 --> 00:52:42.760
So,

2005
00:52:42.770 --> 00:52:43.790
maybe you could

2006
00:52:44.129 --> 00:52:46.830
say a little bit more about that,

2007
00:52:47.080 --> 00:52:48.129
and you had

2008
00:52:48.409 --> 00:52:48.870
some

2009
00:52:49.290 --> 00:52:50.510
particular goals

2010
00:52:50.969 --> 00:52:51.409
for it,

2011
00:52:51.489 --> 00:52:52.129
and

2012
00:52:52.409 --> 00:52:53.929
I can remind you of what those are,

2013
00:52:54.010 --> 00:52:56.310
but I would love to hear them in your voice,

2014
00:52:56.659 --> 00:52:56.879
uh,

2015
00:52:56.969 --> 00:52:59.030
and whatever you want to share about it.

2016
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:00.120
Well,

2017
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:03.010
maybe you could tell me what you think they were

2018
00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:04.830
just to get me started.

2019
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.500
Based on the 30th anniversary oral

2020
00:53:09.600 --> 00:53:11.060
history that was done,

2021
00:53:11.659 --> 00:53:13.459
067 years ago now,

2022
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:14.860
you talked about

2023
00:53:15.139 --> 00:53:19.040
4 goals to further support faculty through funding,

2024
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:21.739
student scholarship support,

2025
00:53:22.399 --> 00:53:25.419
building and staffing a student success center.

2026
00:53:25.919 --> 00:53:29.340
And creating the global initiatives program

2027
00:53:29.560 --> 00:53:33.229
to increase the exposure of Barrett's students to global issues,

2028
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:35.179
which we've kind of talked about

2029
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:37.949
in other ways but not using that exact term.

2030
00:53:39.540 --> 00:53:39.550
So,

2031
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:41.189
thoughts on those,

2032
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:41.590
um,

2033
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:42.040
four

2034
00:53:42.479 --> 00:53:43.360
things in particular,

2035
00:53:43.399 --> 00:53:44.639
and I'm sure you were doing much more,

2036
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.379
but those are the ones that I know about.

2037
00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:47.169
Well,

2038
00:53:47.370 --> 00:53:48.169
the one that I,

2039
00:53:48.179 --> 00:53:49.850
that was sort of taking up a lot of our

2040
00:53:49.850 --> 00:53:52.800
time at that time was the Student Success Center,

2041
00:53:52.850 --> 00:53:54.429
which we almost had

2042
00:53:54.649 --> 00:53:54.969
built.

2043
00:53:55.060 --> 00:53:55.320
We had,

2044
00:53:55.409 --> 00:53:56.709
we had an architectural

2045
00:53:57.129 --> 00:53:58.590
drawings for it and

2046
00:53:59.090 --> 00:54:00.120
thought we had money for it,

2047
00:54:00.169 --> 00:54:00.449
but that,

2048
00:54:00.510 --> 00:54:02.030
that was the one that was connected

2049
00:54:02.250 --> 00:54:03.649
to some extent to.

2050
00:54:04.399 --> 00:54:04.750
Um,

2051
00:54:06.110 --> 00:54:06.770
to Tom Lewis.

2052
00:54:08.459 --> 00:54:09.129
And his,

2053
00:54:09.520 --> 00:54:10.239
and his funds.

2054
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:10.780
So,

2055
00:54:11.350 --> 00:54:11.560
and that,

2056
00:54:11.620 --> 00:54:11.840
that's,

2057
00:54:11.919 --> 00:54:12.860
that's another story,

2058
00:54:13.080 --> 00:54:13.320
you know,

2059
00:54:13.439 --> 00:54:14.409
as you know,

2060
00:54:15.100 --> 00:54:15.110
um.

2061
00:54:16.050 --> 00:54:16.649
So that didn't,

2062
00:54:16.770 --> 00:54:18.830
that ended up not going anywhere

2063
00:54:19.489 --> 00:54:20.350
in the end.

2064
00:54:20.729 --> 00:54:20.810
Well,

2065
00:54:20.889 --> 00:54:23.010
we do have a student success center now,

2066
00:54:23.129 --> 00:54:24.629
so I'm sure that those,

2067
00:54:25.209 --> 00:54:28.090
those efforts mattered because we have a space over in

2068
00:54:28.090 --> 00:54:30.639
Vista del Sol that we call the Student Success Center,

2069
00:54:30.649 --> 00:54:32.590
and things are going on there all the time.

2070
00:54:33.169 --> 00:54:33.679
That's good,

2071
00:54:33.850 --> 00:54:34.449
that's good to know.

2072
00:54:34.489 --> 00:54:36.320
I didn't know that was still true,

2073
00:54:36.689 --> 00:54:37.750
because when I left,

2074
00:54:38.510 --> 00:54:39.000
We had just,

2075
00:54:39.080 --> 00:54:40.600
we had just opened that with,

2076
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:40.919
I mean,

2077
00:54:40.959 --> 00:54:42.000
it was called the,

2078
00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:43.959
the Lewis Student Success Center,

2079
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.699
but then,

2080
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:45.510
um,

2081
00:54:45.520 --> 00:54:46.719
Tom became disaffected,

2082
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:47.219
I guess,

2083
00:54:47.290 --> 00:54:47.780
with

2084
00:54:48.120 --> 00:54:49.419
the way things were going

2085
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:51.219
and stopped supporting

2086
00:54:51.560 --> 00:54:52.399
Barrett,

2087
00:54:52.600 --> 00:54:53.100
um,

2088
00:54:53.989 --> 00:54:54.360
with his funds,

2089
00:54:54.439 --> 00:54:55.719
so I didn't know what had happened to that,

2090
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:57.489
so that's good to hear that it's still going,

2091
00:54:57.899 --> 00:54:58.189
because I mean,

2092
00:54:58.199 --> 00:54:58.919
the idea of it,

2093
00:54:58.959 --> 00:55:01.340
the principle behind it is absolutely terrific.

2094
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:03.179
But it is,

2095
00:55:03.439 --> 00:55:03.689
yeah,

2096
00:55:03.919 --> 00:55:05.699
lots of personal development

2097
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.110
classes are happening and

2098
00:55:08.530 --> 00:55:12.070
That space is used for a variety of things in addition

2099
00:55:12.439 --> 00:55:13.070
to

2100
00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:15.669
individual personal development kinds of things.

2101
00:55:15.889 --> 00:55:16.040
So,

2102
00:55:16.050 --> 00:55:17.409
who's overseeing the center,

2103
00:55:17.479 --> 00:55:18.110
do you know?

2104
00:55:18.729 --> 00:55:20.409
Not off the top of my head.

2105
00:55:20.649 --> 00:55:24.270
I don't think it has the same kind of format that it did when you

2106
00:55:24.610 --> 00:55:25.969
and Tom envisioned it,

2107
00:55:26.090 --> 00:55:27.120
but the,

2108
00:55:27.530 --> 00:55:28.750
the seeds that

2109
00:55:28.969 --> 00:55:32.110
you two and others worked on together definitely

2110
00:55:32.610 --> 00:55:35.750
took enough root that regardless of the vagaries of,

2111
00:55:36.050 --> 00:55:36.590
of

2112
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:38.979
What happens with

2113
00:55:39.399 --> 00:55:40.219
development

2114
00:55:40.409 --> 00:55:41.270
kinds of monies,

2115
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:43.580
this center and a number of

2116
00:55:43.879 --> 00:55:46.090
4 credit classes are still happening,

2117
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:48.219
and non-credit kinds of things as well.

2118
00:55:48.370 --> 00:55:48.469
Yeah,

2119
00:55:48.560 --> 00:55:48.639
well,

2120
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:48.909
those,

2121
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:49.280
those,

2122
00:55:49.399 --> 00:55:51.250
those classes were terrific ideas,

2123
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:51.830
and I'm,

2124
00:55:51.919 --> 00:55:53.939
I'm glad to hear that they were retained.

2125
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:57.179
And I assume the um

2126
00:55:57.830 --> 00:55:59.750
The faculty teaching them were retained too,

2127
00:55:59.830 --> 00:56:00.570
because there were

2128
00:56:00.889 --> 00:56:04.169
2 or 3 faculty that were supported by the Lewis funds,

2129
00:56:04.830 --> 00:56:07.739
which were a mixture of our funds and Lewis's funds.

2130
00:56:08.070 --> 00:56:09.100
They have been retained,

2131
00:56:09.189 --> 00:56:09.550
yes.

2132
00:56:09.669 --> 00:56:09.739
Yeah,

2133
00:56:09.790 --> 00:56:11.860
and you told me the last time we had an interview that,

2134
00:56:11.909 --> 00:56:12.189
that,

2135
00:56:12.229 --> 00:56:12.600
um,

2136
00:56:12.790 --> 00:56:14.729
that 3 of the faculty were still

2137
00:56:14.909 --> 00:56:15.199
being,

2138
00:56:15.669 --> 00:56:16.949
still on Barrett's books,

2139
00:56:17.030 --> 00:56:17.489
right?

2140
00:56:17.830 --> 00:56:18.149
Yeah,

2141
00:56:18.270 --> 00:56:18.350
yeah,

2142
00:56:18.459 --> 00:56:19.689
and I think those were

2143
00:56:20.510 --> 00:56:20.899
the,

2144
00:56:21.189 --> 00:56:22.600
the unique 3,

2145
00:56:22.699 --> 00:56:24.870
and any other classes were kind of a

2146
00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:29.889
Taught sometimes by the faculty that were here before the center was founded.

2147
00:56:30.050 --> 00:56:30.510
So

2148
00:56:30.850 --> 00:56:31.689
there was some,

2149
00:56:32.169 --> 00:56:33.429
some faculty involved,

2150
00:56:33.570 --> 00:56:36.489
and then we hired those new people and they have been retained.

2151
00:56:37.040 --> 00:56:37.050
Well,

2152
00:56:37.080 --> 00:56:37.330
the thing,

2153
00:56:37.409 --> 00:56:38.790
the thing that I would say

2154
00:56:38.969 --> 00:56:41.270
is most important about this whole story

2155
00:56:41.810 --> 00:56:45.350
is that the concept that students need to be

2156
00:56:45.729 --> 00:56:49.550
shepherded more and shown how to be successful later in life.

2157
00:56:50.129 --> 00:56:54.739
With the skills they learn in college is is the core of what Tom believed,

2158
00:56:54.770 --> 00:56:56.409
and I totally supported it.

2159
00:56:56.449 --> 00:56:58.149
I still would totally support.

2160
00:56:58.449 --> 00:56:59.270
In other words,

2161
00:56:59.530 --> 00:57:01.310
I think the thing that he hit on

2162
00:57:01.770 --> 00:57:02.399
was that,

2163
00:57:02.570 --> 00:57:02.909
um,

2164
00:57:03.100 --> 00:57:03.729
as he said,

2165
00:57:03.929 --> 00:57:04.050
you know,

2166
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:04.540
students,

2167
00:57:04.729 --> 00:57:07.689
students can go through 4 years of college if they've planned out,

2168
00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:08.360
if they're,

2169
00:57:08.370 --> 00:57:08.520
say,

2170
00:57:08.530 --> 00:57:11.209
an engineering student or a biology student and they're wanting to

2171
00:57:11.209 --> 00:57:14.479
be a nurse or a PhD in biology or an engineer,

2172
00:57:14.729 --> 00:57:16.770
they can be very nose to the grindstone.

2173
00:57:17.429 --> 00:57:18.719
And be very successful,

2174
00:57:19.070 --> 00:57:19.270
very,

2175
00:57:19.330 --> 00:57:19.340
very,

2176
00:57:19.469 --> 00:57:19.639
if,

2177
00:57:19.750 --> 00:57:20.409
if they're smart,

2178
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:20.909
better students,

2179
00:57:20.949 --> 00:57:21.909
they're going to be successful,

2180
00:57:22.070 --> 00:57:23.159
getting A's and everything,

2181
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:24.090
and looking like

2182
00:57:24.370 --> 00:57:24.909
total success,

2183
00:57:25.030 --> 00:57:25.270
but then,

2184
00:57:25.419 --> 00:57:26.209
but they're not being,

2185
00:57:26.350 --> 00:57:28.010
they're missing out on some of the other

2186
00:57:28.310 --> 00:57:30.850
sorts of things that might make them successful people.

2187
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.020
And that's what we were trying to focus on with the courses that were offered,

2188
00:57:35.479 --> 00:57:35.860
and he,

2189
00:57:35.959 --> 00:57:36.120
he,

2190
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:36.800
he had this,

2191
00:57:36.879 --> 00:57:37.120
it was,

2192
00:57:37.209 --> 00:57:37.790
it was

2193
00:57:37.969 --> 00:57:40.570
a lot of these ideas came from Tom himself,

2194
00:57:41.350 --> 00:57:44.590
and that's the part about Tom that I hope is not discredited

2195
00:57:44.959 --> 00:57:45.840
by the fact that he,

2196
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:48.120
he withdrew his funds and and sort of

2197
00:57:48.120 --> 00:57:50.100
disappeared from the picture a little bit because

2198
00:57:50.320 --> 00:57:51.560
they're very good ideas.

2199
00:57:52.699 --> 00:57:53.520
Yeah they are.

2200
00:57:53.939 --> 00:57:54.280
Yeah,

2201
00:57:54.939 --> 00:57:55.379
and you know,

2202
00:57:55.689 --> 00:57:56.280
since we're on the,

2203
00:57:56.300 --> 00:57:56.550
oh,

2204
00:57:56.750 --> 00:57:57.909
go ahead and finish your thought.

2205
00:57:58.139 --> 00:57:58.530
That's OK.

2206
00:57:58.580 --> 00:57:58.969
That's OK.

2207
00:57:59.020 --> 00:57:59.139
I,

2208
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:00.540
I was pretty much finished.

2209
00:58:00.899 --> 00:58:01.340
Um,

2210
00:58:01.540 --> 00:58:03.120
this is just reminding me

2211
00:58:03.500 --> 00:58:04.040
that

2212
00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:09.739
You were approached so many times over the years by different people,

2213
00:58:09.790 --> 00:58:11.699
nationally and internationally,

2214
00:58:11.979 --> 00:58:14.020
who had started to take notice of Barrett

2215
00:58:14.020 --> 00:58:16.760
and how they could achieve something similar.

2216
00:58:17.379 --> 00:58:17.780
So,

2217
00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:19.689
perhaps you could talk a little bit about,

2218
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:20.439
uh,

2219
00:58:20.580 --> 00:58:21.340
um,

2220
00:58:21.739 --> 00:58:24.360
how you helped directly or indirectly,

2221
00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:27.020
get an honors college started or,

2222
00:58:27.060 --> 00:58:27.639
or

2223
00:58:28.219 --> 00:58:28.979
named

2224
00:58:29.419 --> 00:58:31.060
by Tom Lewis in Kentucky,

2225
00:58:31.169 --> 00:58:31.659
wasn't it?

2226
00:58:32.379 --> 00:58:32.580
Yes,

2227
00:58:32.659 --> 00:58:33.139
it was,

2228
00:58:33.219 --> 00:58:33.600
it was,

2229
00:58:33.699 --> 00:58:34.459
but it was,

2230
00:58:34.860 --> 00:58:35.250
I mean,

2231
00:58:35.580 --> 00:58:37.879
the Barrett diaspora is what I call it.

2232
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.449
Um,

2233
00:58:38.820 --> 00:58:40.810
the Barrett diaspora is a huge,

2234
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:41.300
I,

2235
00:58:41.379 --> 00:58:45.459
I think it's had a huge effect on education in American public universities,

2236
00:58:45.620 --> 00:58:46.020
really.

2237
00:58:46.790 --> 00:58:46.989
I mean,

2238
00:58:47.070 --> 00:58:47.189
there,

2239
00:58:47.270 --> 00:58:49.540
there are lots of honors colleges that started and,

2240
00:58:49.729 --> 00:58:53.020
and were designed directly after Barrett,

2241
00:58:53.949 --> 00:58:59.300
designed or headed in there with their first dean by a person who was a dean at Barrett

2242
00:58:59.629 --> 00:59:01.709
or a faculty member who had been at Barrett.

2243
00:59:02.600 --> 00:59:04.580
In in some administrative role.

2244
00:59:05.659 --> 00:59:07.780
And then there were exact copies of,

2245
00:59:07.879 --> 00:59:08.479
of,

2246
00:59:09.030 --> 00:59:09.510
of Barrett,

2247
00:59:09.550 --> 00:59:12.580
which is what the University of Kentucky one is very much like.

2248
00:59:12.909 --> 00:59:14.080
So I could go on for,

2249
00:59:14.179 --> 00:59:15.979
for hours about those sorts of things,

2250
00:59:16.310 --> 00:59:19.010
but Purdue started an honors college because

2251
00:59:19.750 --> 00:59:22.129
they thought that Barrett was a great model.

2252
00:59:22.669 --> 00:59:22.840
Um,

2253
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:24.280
Portland State.

2254
00:59:25.229 --> 00:59:26.870
which was headed by

2255
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:28.850
The vice president,

2256
00:59:29.020 --> 00:59:30.439
the vice president for

2257
00:59:32.709 --> 00:59:33.010
For,

2258
00:59:33.129 --> 00:59:33.750
for development,

2259
00:59:33.850 --> 00:59:34.850
I guess there.

2260
00:59:35.830 --> 00:59:36.290
Excuse me,

2261
00:59:36.350 --> 00:59:37.590
for research and development,

2262
00:59:37.870 --> 00:59:39.090
let me just take a little more water.

2263
00:59:41.350 --> 00:59:41.510
You know,

2264
00:59:41.590 --> 00:59:43.649
I think I said I'm using my voice so much more

2265
00:59:43.949 --> 00:59:44.889
than I usually do each day.

2266
00:59:46.139 --> 00:59:46.500
Um,

2267
00:59:46.620 --> 00:59:47.459
talking like this,

2268
00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:48.120
um,

2269
00:59:48.620 --> 00:59:48.659
well,

2270
00:59:48.780 --> 00:59:49.969
we can wrap up soon,

2271
00:59:49.979 --> 00:59:51.699
and I appreciate your efforts.

2272
00:59:52.020 --> 00:59:52.100
No,

2273
00:59:52.179 --> 00:59:52.580
that's OK.

2274
00:59:52.659 --> 00:59:52.979
That's OK.

2275
00:59:53.080 --> 00:59:53.110
It's,

2276
00:59:53.219 --> 00:59:53.719
it's OK.

2277
00:59:53.939 --> 00:59:54.060
Uh,

2278
00:59:54.129 --> 00:59:55.840
let me just finish this thought that,

2279
00:59:56.419 --> 00:59:56.860
um,

2280
00:59:57.100 --> 00:59:57.820
Purdue.

2281
00:59:58.669 --> 00:59:59.530
Purdue

2282
00:59:59.979 --> 01:00:00.649
was,

2283
01:00:01.110 --> 01:00:03.449
was uh designed after

2284
01:00:04.070 --> 01:00:07.060
a visiting committee that included me that went to it and told them what

2285
01:00:07.060 --> 01:00:09.899
they needed to do if they wanted to have a really good honors college.

2286
01:00:10.340 --> 01:00:11.989
Portland State was the same way,

2287
01:00:12.030 --> 01:00:14.719
they didn't have any honors college and they were trying to start one,

2288
01:00:15.070 --> 01:00:16.520
and that was Jonathan,

2289
01:00:16.530 --> 01:00:16.870
um.

2290
01:00:17.989 --> 01:00:18.350
He'd been,

2291
01:00:18.409 --> 01:00:20.110
he'd been a vice president for research here,

2292
01:00:20.189 --> 01:00:20.510
but

2293
01:00:20.709 --> 01:00:21.590
what was his last name?

2294
01:00:21.629 --> 01:00:22.590
I don't remember his last name,

2295
01:00:22.669 --> 01:00:23.030
but

2296
01:00:23.419 --> 01:00:24.229
was it Fink?

2297
01:00:24.949 --> 01:00:25.070
Yes,

2298
01:00:25.250 --> 01:00:25.949
Jonathan Fink,

2299
01:00:26.149 --> 01:00:26.850
exactly.

2300
01:00:27.389 --> 01:00:27.629
He,

2301
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:29.679
he knew what Barrett was like,

2302
01:00:30.189 --> 01:00:31.979
and so he wanted to start a Barrett there,

2303
01:00:31.989 --> 01:00:32.270
and he,

2304
01:00:32.389 --> 01:00:32.510
he,

2305
01:00:32.590 --> 01:00:32.669
he,

2306
01:00:32.750 --> 01:00:35.929
he brought us up there for as consultants for that reason.

2307
01:00:36.399 --> 01:00:36.850
Um,

2308
01:00:37.300 --> 01:00:37.310
I,

2309
01:00:37.469 --> 01:00:37.870
I want,

2310
01:00:37.989 --> 01:00:38.409
I mean,

2311
01:00:38.550 --> 01:00:40.030
the influence that we've had,

2312
01:00:40.270 --> 01:00:42.350
we being Peggy and Christian and me.

2313
01:00:43.060 --> 01:00:43.070
But,

2314
01:00:43.610 --> 01:00:44.340
but a lot of it,

2315
01:00:44.590 --> 01:00:46.169
a lot of times for these sorts of visits,

2316
01:00:46.219 --> 01:00:47.719
I was on the visiting committee.

2317
01:00:48.560 --> 01:00:50.100
At Colorado State,

2318
01:00:50.439 --> 01:00:50.860
um,

2319
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.300
The influence we've had has been huge,

2320
01:00:54.959 --> 01:00:55.399
and,

2321
01:00:55.959 --> 01:01:00.020
and the diaspora is served not only by the ideas of how you

2322
01:01:01.149 --> 01:01:02.300
design an honors college

2323
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:04.199
as they move out into the country.

2324
01:01:05.399 --> 01:01:05.639
Like,

2325
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.389
like the Kentucky story,

2326
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.949
but also the people who come from Bar and then go to these places,

2327
01:01:11.489 --> 01:01:12.719
including most recently,

2328
01:01:12.879 --> 01:01:13.500
of course,

2329
01:01:13.520 --> 01:01:13.840
um.

2330
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:15.139
The,

2331
01:01:15.149 --> 01:01:18.979
the dean of the Pittsburgh University of Pittsburgh Honors College who is

2332
01:01:19.629 --> 01:01:21.179
for the former vice dean here.

2333
01:01:21.439 --> 01:01:21.560
Oh,

2334
01:01:21.649 --> 01:01:22.080
that's right,

2335
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:22.929
Nicola Foote.

2336
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:23.520
Yes,

2337
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:24.120
Nicola.

2338
01:01:25.520 --> 01:01:25.530
So,

2339
01:01:26.919 --> 01:01:28.520
so even if something exists,

2340
01:01:28.949 --> 01:01:30.070
the person goes there,

2341
01:01:30.310 --> 01:01:31.100
suddenly there's a,

2342
01:01:31.149 --> 01:01:31.689
there's a

2343
01:01:31.870 --> 01:01:34.429
donor who wants to name the honors college there,

2344
01:01:34.830 --> 01:01:36.510
and a lot of the ideas that were

2345
01:01:36.510 --> 01:01:39.540
successful here are implemented at these other places.

2346
01:01:39.860 --> 01:01:39.870
Um,

2347
01:01:40.750 --> 01:01:41.100
so it's,

2348
01:01:41.110 --> 01:01:41.310
it's,

2349
01:01:41.389 --> 01:01:41.939
it's,

2350
01:01:41.949 --> 01:01:44.729
and this includes international places too.

2351
01:01:45.310 --> 01:01:45.629
I mean,

2352
01:01:45.709 --> 01:01:47.649
we've had an influence on the honors

2353
01:01:48.189 --> 01:01:51.949
program or the equivalent of the residential college program at.

2354
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:53.830
At um

2355
01:01:54.010 --> 01:01:56.149
some of the European universities

2356
01:01:56.729 --> 01:02:00.909
and some of the Chinese universities from after committees came to visit us

2357
01:02:01.409 --> 01:02:01.989
here

2358
01:02:02.409 --> 01:02:06.610
and wanted to implement some of the things we were doing here at their institutions,

2359
01:02:06.820 --> 01:02:07.969
sometimes inviting us to go,

2360
01:02:08.010 --> 01:02:10.330
but sometimes just taking the ideas and,

2361
01:02:10.810 --> 01:02:13.229
and implementing them themselves.

2362
01:02:13.689 --> 01:02:14.179
So

2363
01:02:14.449 --> 01:02:15.310
there's

2364
01:02:15.969 --> 01:02:16.870
the whole idea,

2365
01:02:17.010 --> 01:02:17.780
I mean,

2366
01:02:17.810 --> 01:02:21.090
the thing I'm most proud of actually of all is that

2367
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:25.580
What this has done is it's brought a much higher quality of education

2368
01:02:25.879 --> 01:02:27.689
to public university

2369
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:29.399
good scholars

2370
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.139
who otherwise would would have never had the chance to

2371
01:02:32.600 --> 01:02:34.419
take part in programs like some of these,

2372
01:02:34.520 --> 01:02:35.540
and I think that's

2373
01:02:35.879 --> 01:02:37.260
been a huge influence

2374
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:38.469
on,

2375
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:38.989
I mean,

2376
01:02:39.040 --> 01:02:40.959
if I want to sound the most pompous that I can,

2377
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:42.979
a huge influence on American education,

2378
01:02:43.560 --> 01:02:44.879
American college education.

2379
01:02:45.989 --> 01:02:46.189
Well,

2380
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:47.909
it doesn't sound pompous to me,

2381
01:02:47.989 --> 01:02:50.219
it sounds accurate and descriptive.

2382
01:02:50.469 --> 01:02:52.159
Both you and

2383
01:02:52.709 --> 01:02:53.929
Ted Humphrey,

2384
01:02:54.270 --> 01:02:54.729
and

2385
01:02:54.909 --> 01:02:55.949
Peggy and Kristen,

2386
01:02:55.989 --> 01:02:56.179
and,

2387
01:02:56.270 --> 01:02:58.169
and the different people that have been

2388
01:02:58.629 --> 01:03:00.090
involved in this

2389
01:03:00.469 --> 01:03:02.010
endeavor from the beginning,

2390
01:03:02.429 --> 01:03:03.330
all have

2391
01:03:03.790 --> 01:03:05.729
made ripple effects into

2392
01:03:05.830 --> 01:03:07.649
the present and the future because

2393
01:03:08.229 --> 01:03:08.739
Um,

2394
01:03:08.889 --> 01:03:10.050
if Ted hadn't

2395
01:03:10.669 --> 01:03:12.149
put this honors college,

2396
01:03:12.419 --> 01:03:14.239
managed to pull it together at ASU,

2397
01:03:14.310 --> 01:03:14.570
and,

2398
01:03:14.669 --> 01:03:15.189
and

2399
01:03:15.389 --> 01:03:16.209
just the whole

2400
01:03:16.590 --> 01:03:17.110
founding of it,

2401
01:03:17.229 --> 01:03:18.030
how it developed,

2402
01:03:18.149 --> 01:03:18.790
etc.

2403
01:03:19.060 --> 01:03:20.429
has definitely

2404
01:03:20.870 --> 01:03:23.389
changed the face of Arizona State University,

2405
01:03:23.429 --> 01:03:24.669
as well as

2406
01:03:24.989 --> 01:03:27.409
all these other places that you've mentioned.

2407
01:03:27.909 --> 01:03:28.510
Oh yeah,

2408
01:03:28.790 --> 01:03:31.790
and even when someone like Mary Ingram Waters goes to Nevada.

2409
01:03:32.560 --> 01:03:34.879
She's having the same that even though the,

2410
01:03:34.929 --> 01:03:35.149
the,

2411
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:37.120
the honors college may have existed before,

2412
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:37.429
when you,

2413
01:03:37.520 --> 01:03:40.030
when they get someone who knows from the inside how to,

2414
01:03:40.120 --> 01:03:41.149
how it runs,

2415
01:03:41.439 --> 01:03:43.820
that's another example of the seeping out

2416
01:03:44.040 --> 01:03:46.780
of good ideas and good and good programs

2417
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:48.719
from Barrett to other places.

2418
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:48.969
It's,

2419
01:03:48.979 --> 01:03:49.699
it's really

2420
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:51.699
very important in,

2421
01:03:51.729 --> 01:03:51.959
in,

2422
01:03:52.040 --> 01:03:52.729
in the

2423
01:03:53.030 --> 01:03:55.360
development of honors work across the whole country,

2424
01:03:55.399 --> 01:03:56.030
I think.

2425
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:57.000
It is,

2426
01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:57.719
and you know,

2427
01:03:57.800 --> 01:03:58.379
maybe.

2428
01:03:59.340 --> 01:04:02.010
The amount of attention or the,

2429
01:04:02.100 --> 01:04:03.239
the brightness

2430
01:04:03.620 --> 01:04:05.479
of what Barrett offers

2431
01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:06.800
will be

2432
01:04:07.219 --> 01:04:07.679
seen

2433
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:09.969
differently because when you have a,

2434
01:04:09.979 --> 01:04:11.659
a first super bright candle,

2435
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:12.840
it shows up in the room.

2436
01:04:13.949 --> 01:04:18.270
A lot more than when you have 100 candles in that dark room.

2437
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:19.709
And so

2438
01:04:20.120 --> 01:04:21.280
the ripple effect is,

2439
01:04:21.389 --> 01:04:22.669
is happening more and more,

2440
01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:23.580
even if

2441
01:04:24.120 --> 01:04:28.159
there's fewer people perhaps coming to bear it to ask for advice directly,

2442
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.060
it's because there's

2443
01:04:30.229 --> 01:04:32.100
a number of other good colleges,

2444
01:04:32.330 --> 01:04:33.600
honors colleges now.

2445
01:04:34.010 --> 01:04:35.379
As a result of,

2446
01:04:35.739 --> 01:04:36.179
of the,

2447
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:37.739
the two degrees of separation,

2448
01:04:37.820 --> 01:04:42.290
the 3 degrees of separation that basically grandchildren of this,

2449
01:04:42.620 --> 01:04:44.580
the children and grandchildren of Barrett and

2450
01:04:44.580 --> 01:04:47.010
other of the very early honors colleges.

2451
01:04:47.300 --> 01:04:47.419
Yes,

2452
01:04:47.540 --> 01:04:48.449
that's a good way to put it,

2453
01:04:48.489 --> 01:04:49.340
the F2s,

2454
01:04:49.379 --> 01:04:50.879
as we say in biology.

2455
01:04:51.860 --> 01:04:52.939
So the second generations,

2456
01:04:53.020 --> 01:04:53.100
yeah,

2457
01:04:53.219 --> 01:04:53.300
and,

2458
01:04:53.340 --> 01:04:53.699
and you know,

2459
01:04:53.780 --> 01:04:54.959
I think a good time to,

2460
01:04:55.020 --> 01:04:56.919
to promote this would certainly be

2461
01:04:57.260 --> 01:04:58.719
the upcoming national,

2462
01:04:59.379 --> 01:04:59.500
the,

2463
01:04:59.540 --> 01:04:59.939
the.

2464
01:05:00.290 --> 01:05:02.270
The hero meeting that's,

2465
01:05:02.290 --> 01:05:03.790
that's about to happen at

2466
01:05:04.550 --> 01:05:05.669
Barrett Tempe,

2467
01:05:05.949 --> 01:05:06.669
you know about that,

2468
01:05:06.790 --> 01:05:07.120
right?

2469
01:05:07.469 --> 01:05:07.989
I do.

2470
01:05:08.110 --> 01:05:09.550
I've proposed a panel for it,

2471
01:05:09.669 --> 01:05:11.070
but what are your thoughts on it?

2472
01:05:11.939 --> 01:05:12.100
Well,

2473
01:05:12.179 --> 01:05:12.719
I mean,

2474
01:05:12.939 --> 01:05:13.419
it's a good,

2475
01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:15.600
it's a good chance if you have a panel already

2476
01:05:15.899 --> 01:05:16.379
proposed,

2477
01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:17.040
maybe

2478
01:05:18.139 --> 01:05:20.139
whether there's one proposed or whether there's a special program,

2479
01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:21.590
that there should be something that's,

2480
01:05:21.659 --> 01:05:22.139
that's done,

2481
01:05:22.179 --> 01:05:22.610
I think,

2482
01:05:22.620 --> 01:05:23.459
that shows.

2483
01:05:24.250 --> 01:05:24.449
Sort of,

2484
01:05:24.610 --> 01:05:25.189
sort of a,

2485
01:05:25.250 --> 01:05:27.790
basically a chart in one way or another of

2486
01:05:28.250 --> 01:05:32.159
the diaspora of ideas and honors colleges from Barrett,

2487
01:05:32.570 --> 01:05:32.989
because

2488
01:05:33.129 --> 01:05:33.500
that would be,

2489
01:05:33.610 --> 01:05:34.909
that would be a chance to get

2490
01:05:35.129 --> 01:05:39.209
that seen by people who are interested in honors from all over the country anyway.

2491
01:05:39.489 --> 01:05:39.610
Oh,

2492
01:05:39.689 --> 01:05:41.129
that's such a good idea.

2493
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:42.370
Unfortunately,

2494
01:05:42.489 --> 01:05:42.889
I don't,

2495
01:05:43.050 --> 01:05:43.750
that's not

2496
01:05:44.129 --> 01:05:45.899
related to what I proposed to panel on,

2497
01:05:45.929 --> 01:05:46.229
and

2498
01:05:46.530 --> 01:05:47.889
I don't know if,

2499
01:05:48.120 --> 01:05:48.679
um,

2500
01:05:48.689 --> 01:05:48.810
it,

2501
01:05:48.889 --> 01:05:50.739
it's too late to propose panels now,

2502
01:05:50.850 --> 01:05:51.530
but like you said,

2503
01:05:51.620 --> 01:05:52.570
maybe something.

2504
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.899
Could be prepared by a staff member

2505
01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:57.139
who,

2506
01:05:57.439 --> 01:05:58.629
who talks to,

2507
01:05:58.919 --> 01:05:59.310
to you.

2508
01:05:59.399 --> 01:06:02.520
Maybe you could start generating a list of everything that you remember.

2509
01:06:02.610 --> 01:06:05.379
Maybe there's time to put something together to help

2510
01:06:05.919 --> 01:06:07.719
show that diaspora.

2511
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:11.080
I wish we'd had the thought sooner to make sure it could happen,

2512
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:12.560
but maybe it still can.

2513
01:06:13.050 --> 01:06:13.330
Yeah,

2514
01:06:13.449 --> 01:06:13.629
well,

2515
01:06:13.729 --> 01:06:14.649
isn't the meeting,

2516
01:06:14.850 --> 01:06:16.330
the meeting's scheduled for the fall,

2517
01:06:16.409 --> 01:06:16.949
isn't it?

2518
01:06:17.209 --> 01:06:18.149
It's in May.

2519
01:06:18.449 --> 01:06:18.530
Oh,

2520
01:06:18.570 --> 01:06:19.239
it's in May.

2521
01:06:19.330 --> 01:06:19.719
OK,

2522
01:06:19.850 --> 01:06:21.050
so it's coming up very soon.

2523
01:06:21.169 --> 01:06:21.469
Yeah.

2524
01:06:21.689 --> 01:06:21.889
OK,

2525
01:06:21.969 --> 01:06:22.050
well,

2526
01:06:22.209 --> 01:06:23.679
I can talk to Tara about it.

2527
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:24.550
OK,

2528
01:06:24.929 --> 01:06:25.199
well,

2529
01:06:25.350 --> 01:06:25.919
for now,

2530
01:06:26.050 --> 01:06:26.989
why don't we

2531
01:06:27.149 --> 01:06:28.800
wrap up this conversation,

2532
01:06:28.810 --> 01:06:30.389
and as I said

2533
01:06:30.929 --> 01:06:31.709
earlier,

2534
01:06:32.169 --> 01:06:34.770
I'm so grateful that we got your insights

2535
01:06:34.770 --> 01:06:38.610
on global education and the lecture series and

2536
01:06:39.090 --> 01:06:41.389
some insights on student success.

2537
01:06:41.959 --> 01:06:42.840
And

2538
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:44.520
the diaspora

2539
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:45.300
of

2540
01:06:46.120 --> 01:06:46.780
Barrett,

2541
01:06:47.040 --> 01:06:49.820
and I look forward to when we talk next.

2542
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:50.800
That'd be great.

2543
01:06:51.080 --> 01:06:51.409
I,

2544
01:06:51.479 --> 01:06:53.459
I look forward to it also as well.

2545
01:06:54.040 --> 01:06:54.560
Thank you,

2546
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:55.000
Mark.

2547
01:06:55.120 --> 01:06:55.750
Bye-bye.

2548
01:06:56.080 --> 01:06:56.320
OK,

2549
01:06:56.439 --> 01:06:57.100
bye-bye.