WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.469 --> 00:00:07.369 Hello. 2 00:00:14.569 --> 00:00:17.469 Looks like you might still be getting set up, 3 00:00:17.530 --> 00:00:19.350 or your microphone is off. 4 00:00:23.799 --> 00:00:24.510 It's yes. 5 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:25.469 OK. 6 00:00:25.840 --> 00:00:26.620 There it is. 7 00:00:26.799 --> 00:00:27.120 Yes, 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:27.920 hello. 9 00:00:28.159 --> 00:00:28.959 Happy New Year. 10 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:29.920 Happy New Year. 11 00:00:30.219 --> 00:00:31.100 Happy New Year. 12 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:32.380 How are you doing? 13 00:00:33.360 --> 00:00:33.959 I am well, 14 00:00:34.080 --> 00:00:34.590 thank you, 15 00:00:34.599 --> 00:00:37.319 and so delighted to be talking with you. 16 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.250 Are we ready to begin? 17 00:00:40.299 --> 00:00:41.020 Uh, 18 00:00:41.459 --> 00:00:41.880 sure. 19 00:00:43.110 --> 00:00:43.849 Well, 20 00:00:44.270 --> 00:00:45.290 hello again, 21 00:00:45.389 --> 00:00:48.610 and for the recording of this oral history, 22 00:00:49.029 --> 00:00:49.459 I, 23 00:00:49.709 --> 00:00:51.270 Doctor Stephanie Delisa, 24 00:00:51.470 --> 00:00:54.590 a teaching professor and honors faculty fellow, 25 00:00:55.080 --> 00:00:58.080 and talking with Doctor Ted Humphrey, 26 00:00:58.430 --> 00:01:02.770 founding dean of the University Honors College that ultimately became 27 00:01:03.229 --> 00:01:03.779 Barrett, 28 00:01:03.790 --> 00:01:06.589 the Honors College at Arizona State University. 29 00:01:07.069 --> 00:01:12.849 Doctor Humphrey has kindly agreed to be recorded as we add voice and texture 30 00:01:13.089 --> 00:01:14.879 via these conversations 31 00:01:15.190 --> 00:01:18.930 to honor and learn from a few of the many wonderful people 32 00:01:19.110 --> 00:01:22.849 that have served and or have been served by Barrett. 33 00:01:23.269 --> 00:01:23.569 So 34 00:01:23.750 --> 00:01:26.230 while there are others from whom we can learn about 35 00:01:26.230 --> 00:01:29.129 the development and evolution of Barrett over the years, 36 00:01:29.620 --> 00:01:30.110 easily, 37 00:01:30.230 --> 00:01:35.250 Doctor Humphrey is the best one given his founding role and his longevity 38 00:01:35.430 --> 00:01:36.290 in that role. 39 00:01:36.970 --> 00:01:38.410 While I could say more, 40 00:01:38.529 --> 00:01:39.669 it would be better 41 00:01:39.930 --> 00:01:40.730 to hear from you, 42 00:01:40.889 --> 00:01:41.129 TEed, 43 00:01:41.209 --> 00:01:42.830 to hear your voice as much 44 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:43.730 as possible, 45 00:01:43.889 --> 00:01:45.430 certainly much more than mine. 46 00:01:45.889 --> 00:01:50.290 So before we get into the focus topic of today's conversation, 47 00:01:50.809 --> 00:01:53.610 would you please share some about your 48 00:01:53.610 --> 00:01:56.589 educational and professional background that led you 49 00:01:57.089 --> 00:02:00.080 to becoming the Honors College founder 50 00:02:00.330 --> 00:02:04.330 and otherwise introduce yourself like how long you're at ASU and in Barrett, 51 00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:05.069 etc. 52 00:02:06.699 --> 00:02:07.000 Uh, 53 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:07.699 sure. 54 00:02:08.788 --> 00:02:09.070 Uh, 55 00:02:09.160 --> 00:02:10.850 the history could go quite, 56 00:02:10.869 --> 00:02:11.419 uh, 57 00:02:11.429 --> 00:02:12.050 far back, 58 00:02:12.070 --> 00:02:13.169 as a matter of fact. 59 00:02:14.509 --> 00:02:15.330 Um, 60 00:02:16.149 --> 00:02:18.470 I grew up in a very small town, 61 00:02:18.580 --> 00:02:20.110 1000 people then. 62 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:21.860 Uh, 63 00:02:22.020 --> 00:02:23.789 not many more than that. 64 00:02:24.179 --> 00:02:24.720 Now, 65 00:02:25.210 --> 00:02:27.440 the town's name was Lone Pine. 66 00:02:28.220 --> 00:02:31.240 Graduated from a high school that had 67 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:36.619 156 total students and a graduating class, 68 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:38.059 my graduating class. 69 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:41.059 Was um. 70 00:02:42.580 --> 00:02:43.880 29 71 00:02:44.380 --> 00:02:45.529 and. 72 00:02:46.570 --> 00:02:49.029 I was the first. 73 00:02:51.169 --> 00:02:55.029 Male graduate of that particular high school. 74 00:02:56.830 --> 00:02:57.729 Uh, 75 00:02:58.070 --> 00:02:59.410 that I know of. 76 00:03:00.440 --> 00:03:00.839 Uh, 77 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:02.419 to go to university, 78 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:03.440 um. 79 00:03:04.399 --> 00:03:05.339 I, 80 00:03:05.880 --> 00:03:09.899 I received a scholarship and a number of. 81 00:03:10.779 --> 00:03:13.550 Other forms of support to. 82 00:03:14.770 --> 00:03:17.880 Enroll at the University of California, 83 00:03:17.940 --> 00:03:20.500 Berkeley in 1958. 84 00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:22.550 Uh, 85 00:03:22.679 --> 00:03:24.330 as a 86 00:03:26.300 --> 00:03:28.100 Chemical engineering major. 87 00:03:29.729 --> 00:03:30.309 Uh, 88 00:03:30.529 --> 00:03:33.389 I spent my first year there. 89 00:03:34.660 --> 00:03:35.160 Uh, 90 00:03:35.179 --> 00:03:36.919 learning to enjoy. 91 00:03:38.339 --> 00:03:38.919 Uh, 92 00:03:39.059 --> 00:03:40.660 all of the 93 00:03:41.649 --> 00:03:42.119 Uh, 94 00:03:42.369 --> 00:03:44.630 available arts and 95 00:03:45.250 --> 00:03:46.429 cultural. 96 00:03:47.729 --> 00:03:48.250 Uh, 97 00:03:48.300 --> 00:03:53.630 activities that one could engage in in the San Francisco 98 00:03:54.289 --> 00:03:55.690 metropolitan area. 99 00:03:56.429 --> 00:03:59.440 But also on the UC campus. 100 00:04:00.630 --> 00:04:01.639 Um, 101 00:04:02.029 --> 00:04:05.570 despite the fact that my high school record. 102 00:04:07.110 --> 00:04:07.699 Uh, 103 00:04:07.710 --> 00:04:10.139 suggested that I would be successful. 104 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:17.380 As a chemical engineering major or some kind of science and mathematics major. 105 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:18.640 I had, 106 00:04:18.760 --> 00:04:21.858 I had great academic difficulties. 107 00:04:22.980 --> 00:04:26.799 During my 1st and 2nd semesters. 108 00:04:28.049 --> 00:04:29.790 And uh, 109 00:04:31.089 --> 00:04:35.700 I did not receive grades that qualified me to return to 110 00:04:36.239 --> 00:04:37.269 the university. 111 00:04:37.450 --> 00:04:38.290 On the other hand, 112 00:04:38.450 --> 00:04:40.309 during my second semester, 113 00:04:40.890 --> 00:04:42.429 I was 114 00:04:42.649 --> 00:04:46.010 able to take courses in anthropology. 115 00:04:47.119 --> 00:04:52.019 And Greek and Latin classics as well as 116 00:04:52.529 --> 00:04:53.619 English literature. 117 00:04:54.500 --> 00:04:55.450 That helped me, 118 00:04:55.589 --> 00:04:56.010 uh, 119 00:04:57.809 --> 00:04:58.970 Re-enter my 120 00:04:59.630 --> 00:05:02.049 academic interests. 121 00:05:02.989 --> 00:05:04.970 I spent a um 122 00:05:06.380 --> 00:05:10.079 An academic year at Citrus 123 00:05:10.579 --> 00:05:11.179 College. 124 00:05:12.359 --> 00:05:12.720 Uh, 125 00:05:12.799 --> 00:05:14.100 in Glendora 126 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:15.670 or Azusa, 127 00:05:16.239 --> 00:05:16.820 California. 128 00:05:18.010 --> 00:05:22.910 And uh rehabilitated my academic record, 129 00:05:23.410 --> 00:05:25.549 requalified to 130 00:05:27.059 --> 00:05:27.809 Um, 131 00:05:29.640 --> 00:05:30.390 Uh, 132 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:33.660 enroll at the University of California, 133 00:05:34.010 --> 00:05:34.690 Berkeley. 134 00:05:35.929 --> 00:05:36.850 But, 135 00:05:36.869 --> 00:05:37.570 um, 136 00:05:38.929 --> 00:05:41.410 had to make the decision to 137 00:05:42.130 --> 00:05:43.739 Enroll at. 138 00:05:44.670 --> 00:05:44.940 Uh, 139 00:05:45.029 --> 00:05:47.390 the University of California Riverside, 140 00:05:47.899 --> 00:05:48.970 where I 141 00:05:49.350 --> 00:05:51.010 ultimately 142 00:05:51.709 --> 00:05:52.529 completed both, 143 00:05:52.790 --> 00:05:53.619 uh, 144 00:05:54.029 --> 00:05:58.029 an Arts baccalaureate and a Master of Arts degree, 145 00:05:58.510 --> 00:05:59.890 both in philosophy. 146 00:06:01.119 --> 00:06:01.730 Um, 147 00:06:07.579 --> 00:06:09.040 In my case, 148 00:06:09.179 --> 00:06:09.890 uh, 149 00:06:10.100 --> 00:06:10.779 a, 150 00:06:10.940 --> 00:06:11.970 a 151 00:06:12.410 --> 00:06:15.019 first-generation collegegoer, 152 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:16.679 one of the 153 00:06:18.070 --> 00:06:23.679 Lessons that I learned from those early experiences was that, 154 00:06:23.690 --> 00:06:24.399 um, 155 00:06:25.700 --> 00:06:25.709 Uh, 156 00:06:27.649 --> 00:06:30.279 persons who attended small high schools. 157 00:06:31.489 --> 00:06:32.329 Uh 158 00:06:33.079 --> 00:06:35.619 Even if they excelled academically, 159 00:06:35.679 --> 00:06:36.480 and 160 00:06:39.690 --> 00:06:41.200 Um, 161 00:06:42.010 --> 00:06:42.029 we, 162 00:06:42.869 --> 00:06:43.480 would, 163 00:06:44.100 --> 00:06:44.190 uh, 164 00:06:45.089 --> 00:06:46.859 would have difficulties, 165 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:47.790 uh, 166 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:51.059 managing the kind of very 167 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.000 large on the one hand, 168 00:06:53.119 --> 00:06:54.570 but also very 169 00:06:55.380 --> 00:06:55.920 Um, 170 00:06:56.019 --> 00:06:59.459 a rich academic environment of, 171 00:06:59.500 --> 00:07:00.220 uh, 172 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:01.959 a university. 173 00:07:03.179 --> 00:07:07.500 Of the kind that Berkeley was and continues to be. 174 00:07:08.410 --> 00:07:08.420 Um, 175 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:10.309 I left 176 00:07:12.010 --> 00:07:12.869 University of California, 177 00:07:12.890 --> 00:07:14.290 Riverside with my degrees, 178 00:07:14.369 --> 00:07:15.450 went to 179 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:18.769 University of California at San Diego. 180 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.959 With my uh bachelor's and master's degree in philosophy. 181 00:07:25.190 --> 00:07:28.209 And they're studied with uh 182 00:07:28.859 --> 00:07:32.700 A faculty rich in the history of. 183 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:35.109 Uh, 184 00:07:35.450 --> 00:07:36.549 philosophy. 185 00:07:37.049 --> 00:07:39.709 I was fortunate to study with 186 00:07:40.200 --> 00:07:43.690 persons who'd been at Columbia University. 187 00:07:44.649 --> 00:07:46.489 Which had um. 188 00:07:47.190 --> 00:07:48.890 A history of, 189 00:07:49.570 --> 00:07:50.049 uh, 190 00:07:50.440 --> 00:07:51.230 culture. 191 00:07:52.309 --> 00:07:53.980 Program that, 192 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:54.510 uh, 193 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:56.820 was quite famous at the time, 194 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:02.119 but also persons who'd been at the University of Chicago, 195 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.279 which had a competing. 196 00:08:05.059 --> 00:08:05.950 Uh, 197 00:08:06.200 --> 00:08:07.630 program in the history of 198 00:08:08.089 --> 00:08:08.839 culture, 199 00:08:09.130 --> 00:08:09.570 uh, 200 00:08:09.579 --> 00:08:12.709 founded on the great books of the Western world. 201 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:14.799 Um 202 00:08:18.989 --> 00:08:20.609 I left 203 00:08:21.350 --> 00:08:23.929 graduate school without my 204 00:08:24.589 --> 00:08:24.970 degree. 205 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:28.799 Without a PhD to come to. 206 00:08:30.029 --> 00:08:30.040 Uh, 207 00:08:30.670 --> 00:08:31.809 Arizona State 208 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:32.830 University, 209 00:08:33.619 --> 00:08:36.210 then only 8 years into 210 00:08:37.217 --> 00:08:37.549 Uh, 211 00:08:37.669 --> 00:08:39.888 it's time as a university. 212 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:41.429 Um, 213 00:08:41.558 --> 00:08:43.698 to join the 214 00:08:44.158 --> 00:08:46.979 Department of Philosophy and Humanities, 215 00:08:47.518 --> 00:08:49.898 and I was explicitly 216 00:08:50.439 --> 00:08:54.979 appointed to teach courses in the humanities as well as 217 00:08:56.820 --> 00:08:57.200 In 218 00:08:57.419 --> 00:08:58.429 philosophy. 219 00:08:59.099 --> 00:08:59.109 So, 220 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:01.880 I, 221 00:09:02.099 --> 00:09:03.359 I took up my 222 00:09:05.280 --> 00:09:05.650 Uh, 223 00:09:05.710 --> 00:09:07.690 instructional responsibilities, 224 00:09:07.770 --> 00:09:10.030 my academic responsibilities 225 00:09:10.549 --> 00:09:13.570 at ASU when I was 25. 226 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:15.460 Uh, 227 00:09:15.599 --> 00:09:16.580 I had. 228 00:09:19.239 --> 00:09:21.830 An outline of my doctoral dissertation, 229 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:22.780 my, 230 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:24.409 uh, 231 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.440 doctoral advisor who was Herbert Marcusa. 232 00:09:28.669 --> 00:09:28.989 Uh, 233 00:09:29.059 --> 00:09:33.250 and I agreed that I would be able to. 234 00:09:34.419 --> 00:09:37.159 Complete the research and writing of that. 235 00:09:38.619 --> 00:09:39.380 Uh, 236 00:09:39.460 --> 00:09:39.739 uh, 237 00:09:39.820 --> 00:09:41.520 of my dissertation 238 00:09:42.020 --> 00:09:43.619 in a timely fashion, 239 00:09:44.219 --> 00:09:44.859 and 240 00:09:46.239 --> 00:09:46.929 So 241 00:09:47.719 --> 00:09:50.659 I undertook the responsibilities uh 242 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:56.130 for teaching a very large lecture course in 243 00:09:57.099 --> 00:10:01.169 The humanities as well as 244 00:10:02.020 --> 00:10:02.619 Uh, 245 00:10:02.739 --> 00:10:03.770 3. 246 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:06.039 Courses. 247 00:10:06.940 --> 00:10:08.250 In philosophy. 248 00:10:09.880 --> 00:10:10.539 Uh, 249 00:10:10.599 --> 00:10:12.820 each semester for 250 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:15.049 those 1st 2 251 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:15.919 years. 252 00:10:16.640 --> 00:10:17.739 And, 253 00:10:18.109 --> 00:10:18.469 uh, 254 00:10:18.599 --> 00:10:20.580 typically I would have, 255 00:10:21.239 --> 00:10:21.650 uh, 256 00:10:21.760 --> 00:10:23.460 3 preparations 257 00:10:23.719 --> 00:10:24.210 per 258 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:26.500 semester. 259 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.710 One of the advantages of coming to ASU was 260 00:10:32.119 --> 00:10:35.059 in the philosophy department was that there was 261 00:10:35.599 --> 00:10:38.640 no faculty member with a 262 00:10:41.070 --> 00:10:46.270 An area of specialization that significantly overlapped with mine, 263 00:10:46.469 --> 00:10:49.650 which my specializations were 264 00:10:51.140 --> 00:10:52.520 18th, 265 00:10:52.979 --> 00:10:53.690 19th, 266 00:10:53.739 --> 00:10:57.599 and early 20th century French and German philosophy. 267 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.450 Um, 268 00:11:02.030 --> 00:11:04.229 And as a consequence of that, 269 00:11:04.719 --> 00:11:05.419 not having 270 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:07.780 to share those courses 271 00:11:08.080 --> 00:11:09.280 with faculty members, 272 00:11:09.359 --> 00:11:09.859 I 273 00:11:10.739 --> 00:11:11.869 I was on the one hand, 274 00:11:12.030 --> 00:11:14.010 forced to do a lot of reading, 275 00:11:14.510 --> 00:11:14.940 uh, 276 00:11:14.950 --> 00:11:16.830 in preparation for my courses, 277 00:11:16.909 --> 00:11:19.409 but I was able also to develop, 278 00:11:19.950 --> 00:11:20.719 uh, 279 00:11:20.950 --> 00:11:23.409 a broad understanding of those. 280 00:11:24.340 --> 00:11:25.359 Movements 281 00:11:25.619 --> 00:11:26.320 after I, 282 00:11:26.400 --> 00:11:29.200 I submitted my doctoral dissertation. 283 00:11:30.700 --> 00:11:31.539 Uh, 284 00:11:33.330 --> 00:11:34.650 To UC 285 00:11:35.479 --> 00:11:36.429 San Diego. 286 00:11:38.010 --> 00:11:39.039 Early 287 00:11:39.169 --> 00:11:39.989 in. 288 00:11:42.599 --> 00:11:44.039 19. 289 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:47.460 68. 290 00:11:48.510 --> 00:11:49.849 defended it during that, 291 00:11:51.119 --> 00:11:51.510 uh, 292 00:11:51.520 --> 00:11:52.840 academic. 293 00:11:54.059 --> 00:11:55.049 Semester 294 00:11:55.229 --> 00:11:57.070 and. 295 00:11:58.169 --> 00:12:01.750 was pretty much freed from the burden of 296 00:12:02.570 --> 00:12:03.440 Of 297 00:12:04.640 --> 00:12:07.419 Doing that work in addition to my. 298 00:12:10.250 --> 00:12:10.929 Uh, 299 00:12:11.169 --> 00:12:11.869 teaching 300 00:12:12.090 --> 00:12:12.830 and 301 00:12:13.690 --> 00:12:14.169 research. 302 00:12:15.130 --> 00:12:17.330 I came for my 303 00:12:17.450 --> 00:12:17.869 education. 304 00:12:20.289 --> 00:12:24.070 Was uh at the tutelage of 305 00:12:24.570 --> 00:12:26.169 a number of. 306 00:12:27.940 --> 00:12:29.260 Distinguished. 307 00:12:31.479 --> 00:12:32.869 Publishing scholars, 308 00:12:32.880 --> 00:12:35.820 and I brought that tradition. 309 00:12:36.979 --> 00:12:37.539 With me, 310 00:12:37.619 --> 00:12:40.950 it was part of my makeup when I got to. 311 00:12:41.599 --> 00:12:43.619 Arizona State University. 312 00:12:44.489 --> 00:12:44.969 I, 313 00:12:45.130 --> 00:12:47.429 by the time I received my dissertation, 314 00:12:47.489 --> 00:12:48.359 I had 315 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:50.309 published a number of 316 00:12:51.500 --> 00:12:53.210 Book reviews, 317 00:12:53.340 --> 00:12:55.159 and I'd I'd 318 00:12:55.739 --> 00:12:57.280 been engaged as 319 00:12:57.780 --> 00:13:00.000 an editorial associate 320 00:13:00.619 --> 00:13:03.059 for the Journal of the History of Ideas. 321 00:13:03.780 --> 00:13:04.719 I'm sorry, 322 00:13:05.140 --> 00:13:07.500 for the Journal of the History of Philosophy. 323 00:13:08.640 --> 00:13:12.880 And had published one small paper in that journal. 324 00:13:14.109 --> 00:13:15.080 Um, 325 00:13:19.650 --> 00:13:19.659 Hm. 326 00:13:23.479 --> 00:13:24.369 Uh, 327 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.950 the philosophy department at that time, 328 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:28.260 uh, 329 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:29.919 in those early days, 330 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.140 in the 1st 5 or 6 years 331 00:13:33.760 --> 00:13:36.510 I was a member of it was. 332 00:13:37.450 --> 00:13:38.750 In turmoil 333 00:13:40.289 --> 00:13:41.380 Uh, 334 00:13:42.729 --> 00:13:45.390 there were a number of internal problems. 335 00:13:46.359 --> 00:13:47.159 Uh, 336 00:13:47.479 --> 00:13:48.200 with, 337 00:13:48.210 --> 00:13:48.840 uh, 338 00:13:50.460 --> 00:13:51.000 The, 339 00:13:51.099 --> 00:13:54.219 the members of the department were. 340 00:13:55.219 --> 00:13:56.489 Uh, 341 00:13:56.950 --> 00:13:59.049 ideologically 342 00:13:59.429 --> 00:14:00.390 divided. 343 00:14:01.380 --> 00:14:03.840 There was a lack 344 00:14:03.950 --> 00:14:04.840 of 345 00:14:06.349 --> 00:14:07.539 Vision for the department, 346 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.200 there was a 347 00:14:09.719 --> 00:14:12.859 lack of internal consensus 348 00:14:13.239 --> 00:14:14.919 as to 349 00:14:15.820 --> 00:14:16.840 Uh, 350 00:14:17.380 --> 00:14:19.690 what the nature of philosophy was. 351 00:14:21.549 --> 00:14:22.619 And 352 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:24.099 Uh, 353 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:26.900 one of the faculty members 354 00:14:27.479 --> 00:14:28.299 was, 355 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:29.219 uh, 356 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:30.799 politically very, 357 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:32.099 very active. 358 00:14:34.270 --> 00:14:38.010 And came to the attention of the Arizona Board of Regents. 359 00:14:38.789 --> 00:14:41.770 And was fired. 360 00:14:42.780 --> 00:14:43.280 Uh, 361 00:14:43.390 --> 00:14:44.969 as a result of which, 362 00:14:44.979 --> 00:14:46.469 the AAUP, 363 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:49.690 the American Association of University Professors, 364 00:14:49.820 --> 00:14:50.419 placed 365 00:14:50.849 --> 00:14:52.960 Arizona State University, 366 00:14:53.500 --> 00:14:54.000 uh, 367 00:14:54.099 --> 00:14:54.760 on 368 00:14:55.150 --> 00:14:55.979 probation. 369 00:14:57.510 --> 00:14:58.239 Um, 370 00:15:03.809 --> 00:15:08.710 The department had a very difficult time 371 00:15:09.190 --> 00:15:10.849 figuring out who. 372 00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:12.320 Uh, 373 00:15:12.700 --> 00:15:13.460 should lead it, 374 00:15:13.580 --> 00:15:15.599 who should be its chair. 375 00:15:16.059 --> 00:15:17.140 I was, 376 00:15:17.150 --> 00:15:17.919 uh, 377 00:15:20.809 --> 00:15:23.489 Called into the office of Dean Charles M. 378 00:15:23.690 --> 00:15:24.409 Wolf, 379 00:15:25.090 --> 00:15:27.200 Dean of the College of 380 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.049 Arts and sciences and. 381 00:15:31.419 --> 00:15:32.419 He, 382 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:35.840 he and I discussed the state of the department. 383 00:15:37.150 --> 00:15:42.159 And he asked me to serve as department chair. 384 00:15:44.020 --> 00:15:45.059 Uh, 385 00:15:46.969 --> 00:15:50.429 And immediately advised me not to accept the offer. 386 00:15:51.869 --> 00:15:52.500 Uh, 387 00:15:52.750 --> 00:15:55.460 I was too bullheaded. 388 00:15:55.549 --> 00:15:57.609 I was probably too insecure. 389 00:15:59.609 --> 00:16:01.270 Not to accept the offer. 390 00:16:02.190 --> 00:16:02.789 Um, 391 00:16:03.520 --> 00:16:05.539 And thought that I could 392 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.020 probably bring the department. 393 00:16:09.349 --> 00:16:10.150 Uh, 394 00:16:11.030 --> 00:16:13.909 Into some kind of orderliness. 395 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:16.469 Over the course of, 396 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:18.320 so this is your. 397 00:16:20.770 --> 00:16:24.869 This is about year 7 over the course of 398 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.179 The next 5 years. 399 00:16:29.900 --> 00:16:35.559 I was able to make a number of significant appointments. 400 00:16:36.099 --> 00:16:36.659 3, 401 00:16:36.739 --> 00:16:37.789 I appointed. 402 00:16:38.890 --> 00:16:39.650 Uh, 403 00:16:40.049 --> 00:16:41.070 5 404 00:16:41.929 --> 00:16:43.219 fresh out of 405 00:16:44.330 --> 00:16:45.619 Graduate program. 406 00:16:47.450 --> 00:16:50.239 Faculty members as assistant professors. 407 00:16:51.049 --> 00:16:52.229 Ended up having 408 00:16:52.609 --> 00:16:53.549 to 409 00:16:54.570 --> 00:16:56.049 not tenure 2 of them, 410 00:16:56.169 --> 00:16:57.330 but tenure 3 of them, 411 00:16:57.450 --> 00:16:59.190 all 3 of whom became 412 00:16:59.729 --> 00:17:02.909 relatively distinguished in their fields and had, 413 00:17:03.489 --> 00:17:04.569 in addition to that, 414 00:17:04.689 --> 00:17:07.550 the great good fortune to hire 415 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:09.118 2 416 00:17:09.569 --> 00:17:11.709 very senior members. 417 00:17:12.780 --> 00:17:17.680 Directly into the department and to be involved in the 418 00:17:18.300 --> 00:17:21.400 appointment of another philosopher 419 00:17:21.858 --> 00:17:24.400 as head of the 420 00:17:25.529 --> 00:17:29.328 College of Businesses program in ethics. 421 00:17:33.569 --> 00:17:33.989 Uh, 422 00:17:34.150 --> 00:17:36.800 I got to the end of my chairmanship. 423 00:17:39.459 --> 00:17:41.869 And uh, 424 00:17:43.819 --> 00:17:44.589 Having published 425 00:17:45.410 --> 00:17:49.709 A couple more papers that turned out to be fairly significant. 426 00:17:50.800 --> 00:17:50.810 Uh, 427 00:17:54.020 --> 00:17:55.050 Two of which 428 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.819 are generally regarded as having 429 00:17:59.829 --> 00:18:00.770 Solved. 430 00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:05.180 Long-standing problems in Kant's scholarship. 431 00:18:07.660 --> 00:18:08.449 Uh, 432 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:09.040 but, 433 00:18:09.500 --> 00:18:10.140 um, 434 00:18:14.099 --> 00:18:15.069 Felt I was 435 00:18:16.140 --> 00:18:18.920 not done with the administration. 436 00:18:20.209 --> 00:18:22.880 Felt that I, 437 00:18:23.660 --> 00:18:25.439 having been successful. 438 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.550 In creating a. 439 00:18:31.119 --> 00:18:31.829 Uh, 440 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:33.150 department that 441 00:18:33.770 --> 00:18:34.670 by then. 442 00:18:36.609 --> 00:18:38.109 had come to be 443 00:18:38.569 --> 00:18:40.290 regarded as. 444 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:42.050 The top 445 00:18:42.829 --> 00:18:46.979 non-PhD granting department in the United States. 446 00:18:48.140 --> 00:18:49.869 I want to. 447 00:18:52.540 --> 00:18:53.060 Uh, 448 00:18:53.140 --> 00:18:56.239 I wanted to continue to see whether I could. 449 00:18:57.829 --> 00:18:59.010 Build and director. 450 00:19:00.770 --> 00:19:01.550 Uh, 451 00:19:02.689 --> 00:19:03.109 Other 452 00:19:03.729 --> 00:19:05.660 such academic enterprises. 453 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:08.079 Uh, 454 00:19:08.479 --> 00:19:11.819 so during the last year of my chairmanship, 455 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:12.719 the 456 00:19:13.239 --> 00:19:15.449 directorship of the 457 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:16.359 college, 458 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.140 then College of 459 00:19:19.729 --> 00:19:22.359 liberal arts honors program came open. 460 00:19:22.489 --> 00:19:25.369 I and I applied for it. 461 00:19:26.520 --> 00:19:27.020 Uh, 462 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:29.469 it actually was a fairly 463 00:19:30.829 --> 00:19:31.239 Uh, 464 00:19:31.280 --> 00:19:33.000 stiffly competed. 465 00:19:33.849 --> 00:19:34.729 Position 466 00:19:36.150 --> 00:19:37.069 But, 467 00:19:37.290 --> 00:19:40.869 but I was selected to undertake it. 468 00:19:42.010 --> 00:19:42.650 Um, 469 00:19:46.390 --> 00:19:49.069 When I became director of that program, 470 00:19:49.109 --> 00:19:52.829 I was one of the few people in the United States. 471 00:19:55.130 --> 00:19:55.640 Who 472 00:19:56.020 --> 00:19:58.079 had turned to honors 473 00:19:58.459 --> 00:19:59.239 with 474 00:19:59.660 --> 00:20:01.680 previous experience. 475 00:20:04.030 --> 00:20:05.599 In administration. 476 00:20:06.790 --> 00:20:07.369 Um, 477 00:20:07.510 --> 00:20:09.699 a lot of honors programs at the time, 478 00:20:09.709 --> 00:20:12.709 and what we're talking about is 1988. 479 00:20:14.430 --> 00:20:16.739 A lot of honors programs at the time 480 00:20:17.800 --> 00:20:18.439 were 481 00:20:20.780 --> 00:20:26.760 Run by persons who become alienated from their disciplines and who 482 00:20:27.689 --> 00:20:28.510 Um, 483 00:20:28.650 --> 00:20:31.040 administered their programs. 484 00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:32.560 Uh, 485 00:20:32.739 --> 00:20:35.560 with relatively narrow visions. 486 00:20:36.229 --> 00:20:40.400 And from what I would call a position of alienation. 487 00:20:41.199 --> 00:20:41.760 Uh, 488 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:42.459 they, 489 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.479 they kind of built a wall around their honors programs. 490 00:20:47.260 --> 00:20:48.089 Um, 491 00:20:48.780 --> 00:20:49.239 making 492 00:20:49.900 --> 00:20:50.180 very, 493 00:20:50.300 --> 00:20:51.349 very few attempts, 494 00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:52.060 if any, 495 00:20:52.380 --> 00:20:53.040 to 496 00:20:55.949 --> 00:20:56.859 Um, 497 00:20:57.189 --> 00:20:59.550 integrate with the university. 498 00:21:01.250 --> 00:21:03.300 I took about 2 years. 499 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:07.339 After having been appointed director of. 500 00:21:08.189 --> 00:21:12.689 The honors program to figure out what I thought. 501 00:21:13.579 --> 00:21:15.609 An honors program ought to be, 502 00:21:15.719 --> 00:21:16.760 how I, 503 00:21:17.420 --> 00:21:19.560 how it an honors program. 504 00:21:20.770 --> 00:21:24.630 Should be fitted into the structure of a university. 505 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:31.180 And trying to figure out ways in which it could 506 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.859 integrate, 507 00:21:33.199 --> 00:21:35.260 not just with the College of 508 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:36.439 Liberal Arts, 509 00:21:36.560 --> 00:21:38.660 which was the standard model. 510 00:21:39.670 --> 00:21:39.680 Uh, 511 00:21:40.469 --> 00:21:41.030 but, 512 00:21:41.300 --> 00:21:41.750 uh, 513 00:21:41.869 --> 00:21:46.449 integrate with all of the undergraduate. 514 00:21:47.300 --> 00:21:48.959 Teaching divisions 515 00:21:49.459 --> 00:21:50.760 of the university. 516 00:21:53.969 --> 00:21:53.979 Uh, 517 00:21:54.489 --> 00:21:56.589 and I think that that was 518 00:21:56.729 --> 00:22:00.069 one of the significant differences. 519 00:22:00.969 --> 00:22:03.670 That I brought to a vision. 520 00:22:05.300 --> 00:22:06.400 For honors. 521 00:22:06.770 --> 00:22:08.520 It seemed to me that. 522 00:22:09.530 --> 00:22:10.140 Honor, 523 00:22:10.150 --> 00:22:10.479 uh, 524 00:22:10.489 --> 00:22:12.250 that honors degrees. 525 00:22:13.280 --> 00:22:17.520 Could and should indeed ought to be pursued 526 00:22:17.959 --> 00:22:19.969 in all of the disciplines. 527 00:22:21.979 --> 00:22:24.010 And so my first 528 00:22:24.780 --> 00:22:26.930 move was 529 00:22:27.469 --> 00:22:29.719 to work with um 530 00:22:30.910 --> 00:22:32.290 A vice president. 531 00:22:34.449 --> 00:22:36.609 For academic affairs. 532 00:22:38.010 --> 00:22:38.859 Who agreed, 533 00:22:39.050 --> 00:22:42.609 who agreed for whatever reasons with that vision. 534 00:22:43.560 --> 00:22:48.380 And so while the program remained in the College of Liberal Arts, 535 00:22:49.280 --> 00:22:49.290 We, 536 00:22:51.189 --> 00:22:51.290 uh, 537 00:22:51.719 --> 00:22:53.560 we agreed to. 538 00:22:54.510 --> 00:22:55.530 Uh, 539 00:22:56.310 --> 00:22:58.699 work at bringing major, 540 00:22:58.790 --> 00:22:59.000 uh, 541 00:22:59.150 --> 00:23:00.290 bringing students 542 00:23:00.709 --> 00:23:02.430 majoring in 543 00:23:04.780 --> 00:23:06.140 Not just the humanities, 544 00:23:06.219 --> 00:23:09.599 but also the sciences in the College of Liberal Arts, 545 00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:12.199 the College of Engineering, 546 00:23:12.750 --> 00:23:13.569 uh, 547 00:23:13.579 --> 00:23:15.209 the College of, 548 00:23:15.219 --> 00:23:15.689 uh, 549 00:23:15.699 --> 00:23:16.719 Fine Arts. 550 00:23:17.969 --> 00:23:18.290 Uh, 551 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:19.010 in other words, 552 00:23:19.130 --> 00:23:21.560 from all the College of Education, 553 00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:22.449 in other words, 554 00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:25.069 all the colleges of the university. 555 00:23:25.609 --> 00:23:26.150 My, 556 00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:26.890 my 557 00:23:28.290 --> 00:23:30.880 My vision in that regard was 558 00:23:31.410 --> 00:23:32.310 to bring 559 00:23:32.650 --> 00:23:34.329 together students. 560 00:23:35.579 --> 00:23:36.199 With, 561 00:23:36.550 --> 00:23:37.160 uh, 562 00:23:37.260 --> 00:23:42.319 academic talent and interest in a wide variety of. 563 00:23:44.199 --> 00:23:45.339 Disciplines 564 00:23:45.910 --> 00:23:47.890 who would um 565 00:23:50.020 --> 00:23:52.760 Engage in the process of 566 00:23:53.020 --> 00:23:55.300 educating one another in 567 00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:57.099 Uh, 568 00:23:57.459 --> 00:23:58.140 other, 569 00:23:58.500 --> 00:23:58.900 uh, 570 00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:00.640 one another in 571 00:24:00.949 --> 00:24:04.400 other areas of expertise and interest. 572 00:24:06.010 --> 00:24:06.910 Um, 573 00:24:07.290 --> 00:24:09.189 it took about 3 years. 574 00:24:10.050 --> 00:24:11.589 To do that. 575 00:24:12.609 --> 00:24:14.449 And um, 576 00:24:17.270 --> 00:24:17.280 Uh, 577 00:24:18.390 --> 00:24:19.089 uh, 578 00:24:19.170 --> 00:24:19.180 a, 579 00:24:19.219 --> 00:24:23.949 a central element of that process was 580 00:24:24.760 --> 00:24:25.400 Uh, 581 00:24:25.650 --> 00:24:26.420 to develop. 582 00:24:28.589 --> 00:24:29.689 The course, 583 00:24:29.770 --> 00:24:31.349 the human event, 584 00:24:31.729 --> 00:24:32.430 I had. 585 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:33.979 Uh, 586 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.939 peripherally participated in 587 00:24:37.560 --> 00:24:41.130 developing that course while I was still a. 588 00:24:41.969 --> 00:24:41.979 Uh, 589 00:24:42.770 --> 00:24:45.630 while I was still chair of the philosophy department. 590 00:24:46.729 --> 00:24:47.709 Uh, 591 00:24:48.130 --> 00:24:48.810 but I've, 592 00:24:49.130 --> 00:24:49.449 you know, 593 00:24:49.609 --> 00:24:52.550 I've very actively brought together. 594 00:24:54.739 --> 00:24:56.140 The uh 595 00:24:57.709 --> 00:24:58.880 Dominant. 596 00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:02.890 Styles of doing 597 00:25:03.670 --> 00:25:04.449 um. 598 00:25:05.469 --> 00:25:07.010 Cultural studies. 599 00:25:08.729 --> 00:25:13.130 That originated at Columbia University, 600 00:25:13.209 --> 00:25:15.829 and that style was to approach it 601 00:25:16.219 --> 00:25:17.609 historically. 602 00:25:18.569 --> 00:25:20.699 As well as the style 603 00:25:20.989 --> 00:25:23.989 that was dominant at the University 604 00:25:24.369 --> 00:25:25.329 of Chicago, 605 00:25:25.410 --> 00:25:27.310 which was a topics, 606 00:25:28.050 --> 00:25:28.609 uh, 607 00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:29.650 oriented. 608 00:25:30.420 --> 00:25:31.219 Um, 609 00:25:32.810 --> 00:25:34.770 Which was topic oriented. 610 00:25:36.099 --> 00:25:37.819 And um, 611 00:25:43.010 --> 00:25:44.380 Doing that 612 00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:46.520 allowed for 613 00:25:46.989 --> 00:25:48.739 greater participation 614 00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:52.170 by a wide variety of 615 00:25:53.949 --> 00:25:54.719 Uh, 616 00:25:54.739 --> 00:25:56.420 faculty members, 617 00:25:56.689 --> 00:26:00.660 as well as a wide variety of 618 00:26:02.349 --> 00:26:03.239 Uh, 619 00:26:03.310 --> 00:26:04.069 students. 620 00:26:06.089 --> 00:26:06.099 Uh, 621 00:26:06.780 --> 00:26:07.290 similarly, 622 00:26:07.369 --> 00:26:09.310 I worked at developing, 623 00:26:09.390 --> 00:26:10.130 uh, 624 00:26:10.489 --> 00:26:10.920 uh, 625 00:26:10.930 --> 00:26:12.410 transdisciplinary. 626 00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:14.540 Course 627 00:26:15.719 --> 00:26:16.219 In, 628 00:26:16.560 --> 00:26:17.209 uh, 629 00:26:17.719 --> 00:26:19.939 mathematics and the sciences. 630 00:26:20.560 --> 00:26:25.459 That I really wanted to require of all students. 631 00:26:26.750 --> 00:26:27.510 Uh, 632 00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:30.770 but I was never able to get 633 00:26:31.150 --> 00:26:33.030 that course off the ground. 634 00:26:34.050 --> 00:26:34.660 Um, 635 00:26:34.849 --> 00:26:37.369 I'm not quite sure what the reasons for that were. 636 00:26:38.760 --> 00:26:44.020 So I was appointed director of the College of Liberal Arts and College of 637 00:26:44.280 --> 00:26:45.380 Sciences, 638 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:46.699 uh, 639 00:26:47.040 --> 00:26:47.449 uh, 640 00:26:47.479 --> 00:26:51.280 honors program in 1983. 641 00:26:52.890 --> 00:26:53.729 Uh, 642 00:26:53.930 --> 00:26:55.239 and 643 00:26:55.810 --> 00:26:58.319 there were 125 644 00:26:58.890 --> 00:27:01.439 students participating in that program, 645 00:27:01.890 --> 00:27:02.890 some of whom 646 00:27:03.939 --> 00:27:05.119 were in the College of 647 00:27:05.310 --> 00:27:06.219 Public Programs. 648 00:27:06.339 --> 00:27:07.599 I'm not quite sure 649 00:27:07.900 --> 00:27:09.140 how that came about, 650 00:27:09.280 --> 00:27:09.739 but 651 00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:10.819 some of them, 652 00:27:10.890 --> 00:27:13.500 and it was not an insignificant number. 653 00:27:14.510 --> 00:27:14.949 Uh, 654 00:27:15.030 --> 00:27:17.969 were in the College of Public Programs. 655 00:27:18.670 --> 00:27:20.569 It took 5 years. 656 00:27:21.520 --> 00:27:22.640 To develop a 657 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.780 vision for the college and to 658 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:28.410 develop a strategy 659 00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.150 that would allow the. 660 00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:34.880 Honors program to be, 661 00:27:35.550 --> 00:27:36.439 uh, 662 00:27:36.540 --> 00:27:37.839 university-wide. 663 00:27:39.020 --> 00:27:39.849 And 664 00:27:42.140 --> 00:27:42.770 Uh, 665 00:27:43.069 --> 00:27:47.670 that actually happened kind of clandestinely. 666 00:27:48.709 --> 00:27:49.729 Uh 667 00:27:50.790 --> 00:27:55.540 1988 was a catalog year 668 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:56.819 at 669 00:27:57.199 --> 00:27:57.880 ASU, 670 00:27:57.959 --> 00:28:01.479 which means there was the issuance of a new catalog. 671 00:28:02.199 --> 00:28:04.560 And the previous catalog had 672 00:28:05.300 --> 00:28:07.349 Actually listed 673 00:28:07.780 --> 00:28:12.469 honors programs in all of the individual 674 00:28:12.969 --> 00:28:14.069 colleges, 675 00:28:14.810 --> 00:28:15.160 but, 676 00:28:16.130 --> 00:28:17.069 but 677 00:28:17.489 --> 00:28:18.189 only 678 00:28:19.410 --> 00:28:22.349 the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. 679 00:28:23.569 --> 00:28:25.869 Honors program was actually 680 00:28:26.770 --> 00:28:27.550 active 681 00:28:27.849 --> 00:28:28.449 and 682 00:28:29.589 --> 00:28:30.290 Uh, 683 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:31.050 uh, 684 00:28:31.310 --> 00:28:31.670 the, 685 00:28:31.790 --> 00:28:34.890 the secretary in the office of the provost in 686 00:28:35.189 --> 00:28:39.530 academic affairs was responsible for the final edit. 687 00:28:40.709 --> 00:28:43.180 Of the university catalog 688 00:28:43.719 --> 00:28:44.660 and. 689 00:28:45.869 --> 00:28:46.689 She 690 00:28:47.939 --> 00:28:49.140 Very neatly. 691 00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:51.459 wiped out 692 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.099 all of the 693 00:28:53.520 --> 00:28:54.339 separate 694 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:55.439 honors. 695 00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.060 Uh, 696 00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:57.739 separate 697 00:28:58.410 --> 00:29:01.619 disciplinary college honors programs 698 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:02.780 save 699 00:29:03.040 --> 00:29:03.660 for 700 00:29:04.790 --> 00:29:05.329 The, 701 00:29:05.349 --> 00:29:06.000 uh 702 00:29:07.800 --> 00:29:08.859 College of 703 00:29:09.589 --> 00:29:12.660 Liberal Arts and Sciences honors program and 704 00:29:13.439 --> 00:29:14.359 by 705 00:29:14.500 --> 00:29:15.579 an agreement 706 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:17.819 of 707 00:29:18.270 --> 00:29:19.459 the deans. 708 00:29:21.030 --> 00:29:23.290 Of the separate colleges, 709 00:29:23.439 --> 00:29:24.579 we were 710 00:29:25.109 --> 00:29:26.849 designated the college of, 711 00:29:27.280 --> 00:29:27.660 uh, 712 00:29:27.670 --> 00:29:30.410 the university Honors College, 713 00:29:30.989 --> 00:29:31.469 uh, 714 00:29:31.550 --> 00:29:33.599 and had permission. 715 00:29:35.729 --> 00:29:40.219 To go out and recruit students into. 716 00:29:41.619 --> 00:29:42.439 Uh, 717 00:29:42.859 --> 00:29:44.079 the honors college, 718 00:29:45.849 --> 00:29:45.880 uh, 719 00:29:45.949 --> 00:29:45.969 uh, 720 00:29:45.979 --> 00:29:48.689 no matter what their interest was. 721 00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:52.410 Part of that compromise was that, 722 00:29:52.979 --> 00:29:53.859 uh, 723 00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.280 students would participate, 724 00:29:56.380 --> 00:29:58.540 all students would participate 725 00:29:58.819 --> 00:29:59.959 in the first 726 00:30:00.219 --> 00:30:01.439 two years 727 00:30:01.780 --> 00:30:02.890 of the, 728 00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:03.979 um, 729 00:30:05.479 --> 00:30:07.430 University honors college program, 730 00:30:07.439 --> 00:30:07.739 which 731 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:09.500 included, 732 00:30:09.609 --> 00:30:12.650 but was not limited to completion 733 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.859 of the two-semester course in 734 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:17.880 Uh, 735 00:30:18.130 --> 00:30:18.630 in 736 00:30:19.449 --> 00:30:21.250 the two semester course, 737 00:30:21.569 --> 00:30:22.689 the human event. 738 00:30:23.430 --> 00:30:24.010 Uh, 739 00:30:24.069 --> 00:30:24.750 and 740 00:30:25.069 --> 00:30:27.089 during this time is when I was 741 00:30:27.589 --> 00:30:30.180 trying to implement a course, 742 00:30:30.790 --> 00:30:33.609 transdisciplinary course in the sciences, 743 00:30:34.109 --> 00:30:35.890 which never came to fruition, 744 00:30:36.630 --> 00:30:37.060 but 745 00:30:38.949 --> 00:30:39.739 By, 746 00:30:40.150 --> 00:30:40.959 uh, 747 00:30:42.699 --> 00:30:43.560 By 748 00:30:43.979 --> 00:30:46.209 1990, 749 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.160 after a 750 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:50.260 An Arizona 751 00:30:50.439 --> 00:30:53.359 Board of Regents commissioned study. 752 00:30:54.270 --> 00:30:56.329 Of the honors programs at 753 00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:01.060 Northern Arizona University and the University of Arizona, 754 00:31:01.589 --> 00:31:03.959 as well as um, 755 00:31:05.180 --> 00:31:06.969 Arizona State University, 756 00:31:07.150 --> 00:31:07.890 we. 757 00:31:09.969 --> 00:31:11.069 Uh, 758 00:31:11.689 --> 00:31:12.329 we're 759 00:31:12.810 --> 00:31:14.790 able to get a recommendation. 760 00:31:16.270 --> 00:31:18.099 From a review committee. 761 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.119 Saying that we were positioned. 762 00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:24.280 To, 763 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:25.890 um, 764 00:31:29.410 --> 00:31:30.140 to become. 765 00:31:31.790 --> 00:31:33.810 And honors college. 766 00:31:35.739 --> 00:31:36.359 In, 767 00:31:36.689 --> 00:31:40.550 in academic year 1990,91, 768 00:31:40.589 --> 00:31:42.160 I was being recruited. 769 00:31:43.729 --> 00:31:44.609 Uh, 770 00:31:45.050 --> 00:31:46.349 by another 771 00:31:46.479 --> 00:31:46.869 institution. 772 00:31:48.229 --> 00:31:48.660 Uh, 773 00:31:48.750 --> 00:31:50.449 to come and 774 00:31:50.989 --> 00:31:52.989 create an honors college there. 775 00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:58.219 A member of that search committee phoned 776 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.560 a very well-placed faculty member. 777 00:32:02.589 --> 00:32:03.170 Uh, 778 00:32:03.270 --> 00:32:06.569 in the College of Business at at ASU. 779 00:32:07.410 --> 00:32:08.189 Uh 780 00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:10.280 Lou Grossman 781 00:32:11.930 --> 00:32:13.479 And uh 782 00:32:13.790 --> 00:32:16.829 uh to ask for recommendations, 783 00:32:17.050 --> 00:32:18.430 a recommendation 784 00:32:18.969 --> 00:32:19.829 of, 785 00:32:20.050 --> 00:32:20.910 of me. 786 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:22.959 Uh, 787 00:32:23.280 --> 00:32:24.880 that faculty member. 788 00:32:25.689 --> 00:32:27.579 Immediately called. 789 00:32:28.939 --> 00:32:31.500 The president of the university and said, 790 00:32:31.609 --> 00:32:34.530 Did you know that Ted Humphrey is being recruited by 791 00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:37.130 And 792 00:32:39.719 --> 00:32:40.479 Um, 793 00:32:43.219 --> 00:32:45.130 The president called me and 794 00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:45.579 said, 795 00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:49.479 I understand that you're thinking of going to this other institution. 796 00:32:50.910 --> 00:32:51.650 Uh, 797 00:32:52.310 --> 00:32:52.670 I said, 798 00:32:52.770 --> 00:32:52.949 yes, 799 00:32:53.030 --> 00:32:53.449 I am. 800 00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:59.089 Because I think they'll give me the freedom to do what it is that I'd really like to do. 801 00:32:59.829 --> 00:33:00.430 And he said, 802 00:33:00.550 --> 00:33:00.869 well, 803 00:33:00.979 --> 00:33:03.290 if you decline that offer. 804 00:33:04.689 --> 00:33:05.209 Uh, 805 00:33:05.329 --> 00:33:06.359 I will, 806 00:33:06.369 --> 00:33:07.010 uh, 807 00:33:10.339 --> 00:33:10.699 I, 808 00:33:10.819 --> 00:33:14.280 I will go to the board of regents and. 809 00:33:15.560 --> 00:33:17.300 Ask them to 810 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:18.300 create, 811 00:33:18.689 --> 00:33:19.189 uh, 812 00:33:19.199 --> 00:33:21.060 the university Honors College. 813 00:33:22.489 --> 00:33:24.589 And 814 00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.040 I really thought that ASU would be the better. 815 00:33:31.550 --> 00:33:33.520 Foundation as a whole. 816 00:33:34.689 --> 00:33:36.680 For what it was that I wanted to do, 817 00:33:36.719 --> 00:33:38.719 and I'd already done all the work there. 818 00:33:38.800 --> 00:33:40.030 I knew all the people. 819 00:33:41.339 --> 00:33:43.010 And so 820 00:33:43.260 --> 00:33:44.709 in June of 821 00:33:45.790 --> 00:33:46.530 Uh, 822 00:33:46.750 --> 00:33:47.069 at, 823 00:33:47.229 --> 00:33:47.589 at, 824 00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:47.729 at 825 00:33:48.229 --> 00:33:51.420 the first summer meeting of the Arizona Board of Regents. 826 00:33:52.739 --> 00:33:52.750 Uh, 827 00:33:53.209 --> 00:33:55.589 the president took me to, 828 00:33:55.979 --> 00:33:57.160 took me to the meeting, 829 00:33:57.699 --> 00:33:58.680 introduced me. 830 00:33:59.140 --> 00:34:00.670 We created the 831 00:34:03.619 --> 00:34:05.119 University honors college 832 00:34:05.459 --> 00:34:06.000 in, 833 00:34:06.020 --> 00:34:06.859 in 834 00:34:07.260 --> 00:34:08.860 the most official way. 835 00:34:10.030 --> 00:34:10.500 I, 836 00:34:10.629 --> 00:34:14.750 I think that one of the keys to the stature of the college, 837 00:34:14.909 --> 00:34:16.629 both within the university. 838 00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:19.280 And 839 00:34:19.458 --> 00:34:20.270 um, 840 00:34:21.418 --> 00:34:23.679 nationally is the fact that 841 00:34:24.139 --> 00:34:26.360 our governing board. 842 00:34:29.009 --> 00:34:29.888 Uh, 843 00:34:30.309 --> 00:34:32.668 actually created the college. 844 00:34:33.529 --> 00:34:36.789 The reason I believe that that's so significant is 845 00:34:37.770 --> 00:34:38.649 That, 846 00:34:38.850 --> 00:34:39.688 uh, 847 00:34:41.179 --> 00:34:43.000 Many honors colleges 848 00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:44.438 subsequently. 849 00:34:45.750 --> 00:34:47.129 have been created by 850 00:34:47.870 --> 00:34:48.699 fiat 851 00:34:49.110 --> 00:34:51.550 by the presidents of their university. 852 00:34:53.967 --> 00:34:58.789 And that means that subsequent presidents could simply 853 00:34:59.368 --> 00:35:00.398 by fiat 854 00:35:00.799 --> 00:35:02.789 declare their non-existence. 855 00:35:03.529 --> 00:35:04.729 So where the 856 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.419 Arizona Board of Regents imprimatur. 857 00:35:10.689 --> 00:35:11.629 Uh, 858 00:35:13.340 --> 00:35:17.959 Our position was such that if someone wanted to undo the work. 859 00:35:18.939 --> 00:35:20.850 They would have to go to 860 00:35:21.959 --> 00:35:22.810 Uh, 861 00:35:23.610 --> 00:35:24.149 They were 862 00:35:25.090 --> 00:35:29.820 They would have to go to our governing board and have the 863 00:35:30.739 --> 00:35:31.919 Governing board. 864 00:35:33.129 --> 00:35:34.080 Uh, 865 00:35:36.139 --> 00:35:38.830 Declare the college no longer existent. 866 00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:40.840 And 867 00:35:41.260 --> 00:35:41.739 in fact, 868 00:35:41.860 --> 00:35:42.060 I, 869 00:35:42.179 --> 00:35:44.120 at Arizona State University, 870 00:35:44.219 --> 00:35:46.360 I've seen a number of programs 871 00:35:46.780 --> 00:35:47.919 come and go 872 00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:50.280 as a matter of 873 00:35:52.219 --> 00:35:53.760 Leadership fiat, 874 00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:54.659 um. 875 00:36:00.459 --> 00:36:02.340 So now we were a college, 876 00:36:02.979 --> 00:36:07.639 and it turns out that one of my primary responsibilities 877 00:36:08.489 --> 00:36:10.050 immediately 878 00:36:11.419 --> 00:36:14.239 became that of recruiting students. 879 00:36:15.860 --> 00:36:16.750 Uh, 880 00:36:16.939 --> 00:36:19.139 and recruiting very good students. 881 00:36:19.459 --> 00:36:20.610 Turns out that 882 00:36:22.889 --> 00:36:24.379 There was a 883 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:28.080 Uh, 884 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.439 what to call. 885 00:36:29.879 --> 00:36:31.939 There was a group of scholarships. 886 00:36:35.050 --> 00:36:36.659 that was being 887 00:36:37.179 --> 00:36:38.959 used by the 888 00:36:39.219 --> 00:36:42.840 graduate college to recruit graduate students 889 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:43.770 that 890 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:45.419 by the, 891 00:36:45.550 --> 00:36:47.280 that had originally 892 00:36:47.620 --> 00:36:50.600 been designated for undergraduates. 893 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.239 Uh, 894 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.479 but they've kind of gone begging. 895 00:36:58.830 --> 00:37:00.439 And as a consequence, 896 00:37:00.600 --> 00:37:01.149 the 897 00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.139 It was natural for the college of, 898 00:37:04.479 --> 00:37:06.600 for the graduate college to. 899 00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:08.959 Uh, 900 00:37:08.969 --> 00:37:10.250 use those scholarships. 901 00:37:10.290 --> 00:37:10.709 Well, 902 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:11.770 Uh, 903 00:37:12.479 --> 00:37:14.320 inasmuch as they were designated, 904 00:37:14.439 --> 00:37:16.320 these were full right tuition. 905 00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:18.239 Scholarships, 906 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:19.080 uh, 907 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.540 in as much as, 908 00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:21.340 uh, 909 00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.889 they were designated for undergraduates, 910 00:37:24.110 --> 00:37:25.669 I began to use them. 911 00:37:25.959 --> 00:37:27.520 I began to award them. 912 00:37:28.290 --> 00:37:31.250 And it was not an insignificant number. 913 00:37:31.729 --> 00:37:32.709 The whole 914 00:37:33.399 --> 00:37:34.689 uh National Merit, 915 00:37:34.850 --> 00:37:35.360 uh, 916 00:37:35.370 --> 00:37:37.370 National Achievement scholar 917 00:37:38.250 --> 00:37:39.550 program was built 918 00:37:40.290 --> 00:37:43.149 on those scholarships as a base, 919 00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:44.110 and 920 00:37:44.649 --> 00:37:48.030 we were able within 3 years to go from 921 00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:49.770 Uh, 922 00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:50.479 using 923 00:37:52.020 --> 00:37:57.379 The institution's primary scholarships either for graduate students or for 924 00:37:58.729 --> 00:37:58.969 Good, 925 00:37:59.070 --> 00:38:00.610 but not absolutely. 926 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:02.770 From 927 00:38:03.959 --> 00:38:05.860 qualified but not absolutely 928 00:38:07.149 --> 00:38:09.860 wonderfully qualified students, 929 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:10.939 uh, 930 00:38:11.120 --> 00:38:11.760 for. 931 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:14.219 You know, 932 00:38:14.790 --> 00:38:15.760 high order students, 933 00:38:15.919 --> 00:38:16.959 students who were 934 00:38:17.919 --> 00:38:19.520 Able to uh 935 00:38:20.669 --> 00:38:24.030 Go to the very best institutions in the country. 936 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:26.840 Till we got to the point where we. 937 00:38:27.850 --> 00:38:28.780 You know, 938 00:38:30.409 --> 00:38:30.689 uh, 939 00:38:30.770 --> 00:38:32.939 in 1993. 940 00:38:33.989 --> 00:38:38.399 We recruited 127 National Merit Scholars into 941 00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:39.649 Uh, 942 00:38:39.770 --> 00:38:42.389 the university and into the bar, 943 00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.750 well into the honors college. 944 00:38:46.629 --> 00:38:47.189 That, 945 00:38:47.350 --> 00:38:50.590 that number 123, 946 00:38:50.810 --> 00:38:52.270 127. 947 00:38:53.010 --> 00:38:54.030 Uh, 948 00:38:54.090 --> 00:38:54.949 students 949 00:38:55.290 --> 00:38:56.770 turned a lot of heads. 950 00:38:57.169 --> 00:38:58.770 It turned heads nationally, 951 00:38:58.879 --> 00:38:59.870 but it also 952 00:39:00.330 --> 00:39:01.989 turned heads internally. 953 00:39:02.649 --> 00:39:04.399 We were in the midst of, 954 00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:04.729 uh, 955 00:39:04.889 --> 00:39:06.709 the university as a whole 956 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.679 was in the midst of, 957 00:39:08.689 --> 00:39:09.010 uh, 958 00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:10.659 a capital campaign. 959 00:39:11.790 --> 00:39:12.989 It was, 960 00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:14.149 it was 961 00:39:14.850 --> 00:39:15.540 that Coors. 962 00:39:16.590 --> 00:39:16.600 Um, 963 00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:18.750 uh, 964 00:39:19.229 --> 00:39:20.850 largest campaign 965 00:39:21.020 --> 00:39:23.159 and the university's largest campaign. 966 00:39:24.020 --> 00:39:25.639 And that's when 967 00:39:27.939 --> 00:39:28.800 Uh, 968 00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:31.159 the Barretts came forward. 969 00:39:32.729 --> 00:39:33.729 Uh, 970 00:39:33.820 --> 00:39:34.989 and 971 00:39:37.219 --> 00:39:38.040 Told Laddie 972 00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:40.439 that they wanted to help out. 973 00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:42.629 They, 974 00:39:42.870 --> 00:39:43.590 they, 975 00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:50.209 they themselves did not have a specific program that they wanted to. 976 00:39:51.250 --> 00:39:51.870 Uh, 977 00:39:52.409 --> 00:39:52.909 support 978 00:39:53.409 --> 00:39:54.040 with 979 00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:55.870 Their gift, 980 00:39:55.949 --> 00:39:58.770 it was a leadership gift of $10 million. 981 00:39:59.949 --> 00:40:00.689 Uh, 982 00:40:01.229 --> 00:40:03.189 but Laddie phoned me and 983 00:40:04.580 --> 00:40:05.989 Asked me about, 984 00:40:07.379 --> 00:40:08.679 asked me whether, 985 00:40:09.219 --> 00:40:10.800 whether and how 986 00:40:11.179 --> 00:40:13.179 such a gift could be used. 987 00:40:13.909 --> 00:40:15.489 To develop the college. 988 00:40:16.560 --> 00:40:18.179 And 989 00:40:18.370 --> 00:40:20.270 we went through a 990 00:40:20.810 --> 00:40:23.030 negotiation with the Barretts. 991 00:40:24.729 --> 00:40:25.590 Uh 992 00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:29.409 To name the college 993 00:40:29.949 --> 00:40:30.629 for them. 994 00:40:32.120 --> 00:40:32.659 Uh, 995 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:33.000 they, 996 00:40:33.209 --> 00:40:34.699 they did not particularly 997 00:40:34.959 --> 00:40:37.000 want to make a naming endowment. 998 00:40:37.750 --> 00:40:38.229 In fact, 999 00:40:38.310 --> 00:40:39.870 they were opposed to it at first, 1000 00:40:39.949 --> 00:40:41.729 and it took a bit of talking. 1001 00:40:42.580 --> 00:40:44.229 To get them to lend their name, 1002 00:40:44.310 --> 00:40:47.090 and it was very important that the college have a name. 1003 00:40:48.439 --> 00:40:49.040 Um, 1004 00:40:50.590 --> 00:40:53.310 Because by 1993, 1005 00:40:54.629 --> 00:40:55.330 Uh, 1006 00:40:55.429 --> 00:40:57.929 other honors operations on the. 1007 00:40:58.489 --> 00:41:00.469 The country noticed that we were 1008 00:41:01.290 --> 00:41:03.790 on the move that university 1009 00:41:04.409 --> 00:41:06.550 creating honors colleges was. 1010 00:41:07.489 --> 00:41:07.929 Uh, 1011 00:41:07.969 --> 00:41:10.510 a new trend in universities, 1012 00:41:11.090 --> 00:41:11.979 and 1013 00:41:12.209 --> 00:41:13.189 there were 1014 00:41:13.649 --> 00:41:15.459 40 or 45. 1015 00:41:17.020 --> 00:41:20.800 University honors college in existence around the uh 1016 00:41:21.419 --> 00:41:22.889 around the country at a time, 1017 00:41:22.899 --> 00:41:23.320 and 1018 00:41:23.620 --> 00:41:24.500 we needed. 1019 00:41:27.530 --> 00:41:31.040 We needed a name in order to differentiate 1020 00:41:31.399 --> 00:41:32.189 ourselves from 1021 00:41:33.489 --> 00:41:33.949 Uh, 1022 00:41:33.959 --> 00:41:34.870 all of those 1023 00:41:35.090 --> 00:41:36.550 other colleges. 1024 00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:41.370 Many people don't realize that Arizona State 1025 00:41:41.370 --> 00:41:44.489 University was the first higher educational institution. 1026 00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:47.419 In the state of Arizona 1027 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:48.840 came about in a very, 1028 00:41:48.939 --> 00:41:50.459 very interesting way. 1029 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:51.209 Um, 1030 00:41:52.120 --> 00:41:53.560 in 1885, 1031 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.159 there was, 1032 00:41:55.169 --> 00:41:55.179 uh, 1033 00:41:55.189 --> 00:41:57.020 a territorial election. 1034 00:41:57.889 --> 00:41:58.590 Uh, 1035 00:41:58.850 --> 00:42:00.750 with respect to 1036 00:42:01.209 --> 00:42:06.550 where the state prison should go and where the state teachers college 1037 00:42:07.129 --> 00:42:07.889 should go. 1038 00:42:09.030 --> 00:42:10.629 And the choices, 1039 00:42:11.110 --> 00:42:11.949 interestingly enough, 1040 00:42:12.070 --> 00:42:12.659 were 1041 00:42:13.419 --> 00:42:14.320 Uh, 1042 00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:16.060 the cities of Yuma. 1043 00:42:16.879 --> 00:42:20.679 And uh the town of Tempe. 1044 00:42:23.250 --> 00:42:23.969 Um, 1045 00:42:25.149 --> 00:42:25.379 Uh, 1046 00:42:25.429 --> 00:42:27.330 the results of the election, 1047 00:42:27.729 --> 00:42:29.709 by the results of the election, 1048 00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:31.989 the city of Yuma won 1049 00:42:32.580 --> 00:42:36.229 and was awarded the state prison. 1050 00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:37.830 Uh, 1051 00:42:38.110 --> 00:42:38.530 it, 1052 00:42:38.709 --> 00:42:39.070 it, 1053 00:42:39.149 --> 00:42:39.850 after all, 1054 00:42:39.949 --> 00:42:40.510 was, 1055 00:42:40.520 --> 00:42:40.929 uh, 1056 00:42:41.770 --> 00:42:43.550 Economically more 1057 00:42:44.530 --> 00:42:46.969 important at the time than a state. 1058 00:42:48.570 --> 00:42:50.830 Then in a state teachers college. 1059 00:42:51.449 --> 00:42:52.010 Um, 1060 00:42:52.370 --> 00:42:52.790 so. 1061 00:42:53.580 --> 00:42:55.719 Arizona State University 1062 00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:58.219 in 1885 1063 00:42:58.580 --> 00:43:00.939 was created in Tempe. 1064 00:43:02.169 --> 00:43:02.179 Uh, 1065 00:43:05.060 --> 00:43:05.699 In 1066 00:43:05.830 --> 00:43:07.760 1985, 1067 00:43:08.110 --> 00:43:10.300 on the occasion of 1068 00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:11.879 Uh, 1069 00:43:12.219 --> 00:43:13.719 the centennial. 1070 00:43:15.260 --> 00:43:16.010 Um, 1071 00:43:16.419 --> 00:43:19.479 the centennial of the State College's 1072 00:43:20.020 --> 00:43:20.939 founding, 1073 00:43:21.379 --> 00:43:22.379 the now. 1074 00:43:23.120 --> 00:43:23.600 Uh, 1075 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.179 Arizona State University brought about by a public, 1076 00:43:28.939 --> 00:43:29.360 by a, 1077 00:43:29.379 --> 00:43:30.080 uh, 1078 00:43:30.750 --> 00:43:31.169 Uh, 1079 00:43:31.270 --> 00:43:31.780 of 1080 00:43:32.429 --> 00:43:33.770 a vote of the people. 1081 00:43:34.570 --> 00:43:35.229 Uh, 1082 00:43:38.649 --> 00:43:39.030 Oh 1083 00:43:42.370 --> 00:43:42.389 Was, 1084 00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:44.090 uh, 1085 00:43:44.540 --> 00:43:44.939 uh, 1086 00:43:45.010 --> 00:43:45.209 well, 1087 00:43:45.350 --> 00:43:49.010 Arizona State University was celebrating its centennial. 1088 00:43:49.889 --> 00:43:51.429 And the Flynn Foundation, 1089 00:43:51.929 --> 00:43:55.209 being dedicated both to medicine and education. 1090 00:43:56.030 --> 00:43:56.040 Uh, 1091 00:43:57.790 --> 00:44:00.209 came to the university and said, 1092 00:44:00.310 --> 00:44:00.750 uh, 1093 00:44:00.909 --> 00:44:03.280 in celebration of the centennial, 1094 00:44:03.709 --> 00:44:06.840 it would award a, 1095 00:44:07.350 --> 00:44:11.489 it would give a grant of a total of $1 million 1096 00:44:12.310 --> 00:44:13.929 to the university, 1097 00:44:14.350 --> 00:44:14.949 um, 1098 00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.139 With an initial award of $400,000. 1099 00:44:20.979 --> 00:44:22.040 Uh, 1100 00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:22.080 uh 1101 00:44:23.260 --> 00:44:26.899 And completion of the grant at the time. 1102 00:44:28.439 --> 00:44:33.459 That the first centennial lecture. 1103 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:35.459 Was, 1104 00:44:35.560 --> 00:44:36.100 uh, 1105 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:37.969 was actually completed. 1106 00:44:38.389 --> 00:44:38.459 The, 1107 00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:39.800 uh, 1108 00:44:41.250 --> 00:44:41.260 So, 1109 00:44:43.550 --> 00:44:44.350 Um 1110 00:44:45.310 --> 00:44:46.050 So now 1111 00:44:46.989 --> 00:44:49.110 the university had um 1112 00:44:50.110 --> 00:44:50.959 A fund 1113 00:44:53.709 --> 00:44:56.409 For a very significant event. 1114 00:44:57.489 --> 00:44:58.159 And, 1115 00:44:58.330 --> 00:44:59.199 and 1116 00:44:59.689 --> 00:45:00.189 it, 1117 00:45:01.050 --> 00:45:01.919 at the time, 1118 00:45:02.010 --> 00:45:02.699 it 1119 00:45:02.929 --> 00:45:04.070 really 1120 00:45:04.610 --> 00:45:05.330 needed one. 1121 00:45:05.409 --> 00:45:09.270 The most distinguished lecture on campus was the 1122 00:45:10.610 --> 00:45:11.580 I ring, 1123 00:45:11.729 --> 00:45:12.239 uh, 1124 00:45:12.250 --> 00:45:13.879 lecture in chemistry, 1125 00:45:14.209 --> 00:45:15.110 which was a 1126 00:45:15.449 --> 00:45:17.139 nationally prestigious. 1127 00:45:17.939 --> 00:45:18.979 Um, 1128 00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:20.060 lecture. 1129 00:45:20.870 --> 00:45:20.879 But 1130 00:45:21.379 --> 00:45:22.080 there was 1131 00:45:23.090 --> 00:45:27.370 But there was nothing there for the university as a whole, 1132 00:45:27.620 --> 00:45:28.459 as a whole. 1133 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:30.639 The then provost, 1134 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.040 and I'm not quite sure who that provost was. 1135 00:45:33.120 --> 00:45:34.120 I think it was 1136 00:45:34.520 --> 00:45:35.780 Jack Kinzinger, 1137 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:36.959 um, 1138 00:45:38.830 --> 00:45:40.120 Maybe Roland Hayden. 1139 00:45:41.469 --> 00:45:42.949 Uh, 1140 00:45:43.030 --> 00:45:43.500 no, 1141 00:45:43.909 --> 00:45:44.949 because Roland Hayden, 1142 00:45:45.010 --> 00:45:46.209 it was with 1143 00:45:46.669 --> 00:45:49.570 Roland Hayden that I 1144 00:45:49.870 --> 00:45:51.409 actually secured. 1145 00:45:52.370 --> 00:45:53.080 The, 1146 00:45:53.139 --> 00:45:53.760 uh, 1147 00:45:53.879 --> 00:45:54.929 the lectureship. 1148 00:45:55.590 --> 00:45:55.659 OK. 1149 00:45:56.040 --> 00:45:58.739 I'm pretty sure it was Jack Kentinker, 1150 00:45:59.199 --> 00:45:59.899 uh, 1151 00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.580 went to the deans 1152 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.840 and I was not among them in 1985, 1153 00:46:05.520 --> 00:46:06.110 uh, 1154 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.040 and said, 1155 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:07.610 and, 1156 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:08.739 and said, 1157 00:46:08.919 --> 00:46:10.739 we have this opportunity 1158 00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:12.300 and 1159 00:46:12.600 --> 00:46:15.229 our idea is that, 1160 00:46:15.330 --> 00:46:15.959 uh, 1161 00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:19.899 The, 1162 00:46:20.060 --> 00:46:20.489 the, 1163 00:46:20.550 --> 00:46:23.399 the dean who's able to set this up. 1164 00:46:24.310 --> 00:46:25.020 Uh, 1165 00:46:25.189 --> 00:46:26.350 will 1166 00:46:27.590 --> 00:46:28.870 be able to 1167 00:46:30.020 --> 00:46:30.760 Uh, 1168 00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:31.580 uh, 1169 00:46:31.780 --> 00:46:33.520 be able to count on. 1170 00:46:34.379 --> 00:46:35.100 Um, 1171 00:46:36.020 --> 00:46:37.290 having this lectureship, 1172 00:46:37.379 --> 00:46:39.699 not necessarily in perpetuity, 1173 00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:41.719 but on a regular basis. 1174 00:46:43.550 --> 00:46:44.639 And I'm, 1175 00:46:44.709 --> 00:46:46.169 I'm not quite sure. 1176 00:46:47.989 --> 00:46:54.810 Which dean it was who went out and uh began negotiating with 1177 00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:56.330 President, 1178 00:46:56.469 --> 00:46:57.030 uh, 1179 00:46:58.729 --> 00:46:59.909 Jimmy Carter. 1180 00:47:01.330 --> 00:47:02.479 To 1181 00:47:03.100 --> 00:47:06.399 deliver the lecture and a manuscript of 1182 00:47:06.899 --> 00:47:08.820 the lecture to the university. 1183 00:47:10.689 --> 00:47:11.449 Uh, 1184 00:47:11.729 --> 00:47:13.669 for whatever reasons. 1185 00:47:15.370 --> 00:47:15.729 Uh, 1186 00:47:15.850 --> 00:47:20.669 that particular dean was not able to consummate a contract. 1187 00:47:22.540 --> 00:47:26.570 And uh the lectureship in name only 1188 00:47:26.989 --> 00:47:27.770 is simply 1189 00:47:28.449 --> 00:47:29.669 hung around. 1190 00:47:31.139 --> 00:47:31.760 Uh, 1191 00:47:32.139 --> 00:47:35.520 until after the University Honors College was 1192 00:47:36.260 --> 00:47:37.080 created 1193 00:47:37.219 --> 00:47:38.189 and 1194 00:47:39.050 --> 00:47:39.439 Uh, 1195 00:47:39.510 --> 00:47:40.659 at the time, 1196 00:47:40.770 --> 00:47:42.939 Roland Hayden was the. 1197 00:47:43.620 --> 00:47:44.629 Acting 1198 00:47:45.550 --> 00:47:46.050 Uh, 1199 00:47:46.149 --> 00:47:46.649 well, 1200 00:47:46.870 --> 00:47:49.689 he was the dean of the College of Engineering, 1201 00:47:50.070 --> 00:47:51.820 and he was the 1202 00:47:52.189 --> 00:47:55.090 acting provost of the university. 1203 00:47:55.469 --> 00:47:56.550 He was 1204 00:47:58.830 --> 00:48:00.370 Searching for. 1205 00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:02.360 Another 1206 00:48:03.020 --> 00:48:03.780 position. 1207 00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:06.290 And 1208 00:48:07.520 --> 00:48:10.129 He and I got into a conversation. 1209 00:48:11.590 --> 00:48:12.590 Uh, 1210 00:48:12.669 --> 00:48:13.179 and I, 1211 00:48:13.350 --> 00:48:14.010 I, 1212 00:48:14.149 --> 00:48:15.250 I had a vision. 1213 00:48:16.270 --> 00:48:16.280 For 1214 00:48:17.040 --> 00:48:18.899 a centennial lecture. 1215 00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:20.459 Uh, 1216 00:48:20.620 --> 00:48:21.209 that, 1217 00:48:21.459 --> 00:48:23.860 that I brought to him, 1218 00:48:24.020 --> 00:48:25.399 but I brought, 1219 00:48:26.100 --> 00:48:26.689 uh, 1220 00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:29.780 my proposal and my vision to him. 1221 00:48:30.530 --> 00:48:33.409 Conditioned on my, 1222 00:48:33.969 --> 00:48:34.909 or the college, 1223 00:48:34.929 --> 00:48:36.149 I should say, 1224 00:48:36.489 --> 00:48:37.870 the colleges 1225 00:48:38.489 --> 00:48:40.290 having um 1226 00:48:41.020 --> 00:48:43.120 The centennial lecture 1227 00:48:43.419 --> 00:48:44.739 in perpetuity. 1228 00:48:44.860 --> 00:48:46.949 I was rash enough to say, 1229 00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:48.979 I know how to get this done. 1230 00:48:50.139 --> 00:48:50.870 Um, 1231 00:48:51.879 --> 00:48:52.590 And, 1232 00:48:52.969 --> 00:48:53.949 and 1233 00:48:55.780 --> 00:48:58.000 because Roland was, 1234 00:48:58.649 --> 00:49:01.330 had his eye on showing that 1235 00:49:01.610 --> 00:49:02.149 he could 1236 00:49:02.810 --> 00:49:04.590 administer 1237 00:49:04.810 --> 00:49:06.350 a university 1238 00:49:06.629 --> 00:49:07.590 in general, 1239 00:49:07.729 --> 00:49:10.030 a whole university and not just 1240 00:49:10.489 --> 00:49:11.209 uh, 1241 00:49:11.270 --> 00:49:11.760 uh, 1242 00:49:11.770 --> 00:49:13.439 a college of engineering. 1243 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:14.169 He kind of, 1244 00:49:14.330 --> 00:49:14.649 he, 1245 00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:16.510 he took me up on it. 1246 00:49:16.969 --> 00:49:17.629 Well, 1247 00:49:19.139 --> 00:49:19.149 Mhm 1248 00:49:21.060 --> 00:49:23.399 I didn't really know how 1249 00:49:23.860 --> 00:49:24.719 to get it done. 1250 00:49:25.909 --> 00:49:26.689 Uh, 1251 00:49:26.919 --> 00:49:28.939 but my feeling was, 1252 00:49:29.879 --> 00:49:33.459 That the university should create a, 1253 00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:35.169 uh, 1254 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:36.639 a lectureship. 1255 00:49:38.179 --> 00:49:40.530 A residential lectureship. 1256 00:49:41.969 --> 00:49:43.110 Uh, 1257 00:49:44.659 --> 00:49:46.600 that would speak to 1258 00:49:47.370 --> 00:49:49.290 The community as a whole, 1259 00:49:49.370 --> 00:49:51.310 the academic community, 1260 00:49:51.389 --> 00:49:52.090 and 1261 00:49:52.449 --> 00:49:54.689 the broader community as a whole. 1262 00:49:58.070 --> 00:49:59.750 And I knew that I needed that 1263 00:50:01.399 --> 00:50:02.040 uh. 1264 00:50:03.550 --> 00:50:03.560 And, 1265 00:50:04.459 --> 00:50:04.889 uh, 1266 00:50:05.149 --> 00:50:08.330 a readily recognizable 1267 00:50:09.110 --> 00:50:09.489 name. 1268 00:50:10.949 --> 00:50:11.689 Oh 1269 00:50:13.780 --> 00:50:14.399 For, 1270 00:50:14.739 --> 00:50:16.100 for the initial 1271 00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:19.080 Uh, 1272 00:50:19.540 --> 00:50:22.100 for the initial lectureship. 1273 00:50:22.379 --> 00:50:25.399 I brought together a group of 1274 00:50:27.270 --> 00:50:32.629 Regent's professors who I felt were the most distinguished faculty members we had, 1275 00:50:32.949 --> 00:50:34.929 and the faculty members who had 1276 00:50:35.510 --> 00:50:37.209 the broadest range of, 1277 00:50:37.830 --> 00:50:38.610 uh, 1278 00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:40.489 contacts. 1279 00:50:41.570 --> 00:50:42.159 Uh-huh. 1280 00:50:43.550 --> 00:50:46.620 And we had several conversations. 1281 00:50:48.479 --> 00:50:49.330 And finally, 1282 00:50:49.370 --> 00:50:50.070 as a group, 1283 00:50:50.169 --> 00:50:53.229 we settled on Carlos Fuentes. 1284 00:50:53.889 --> 00:50:57.290 We settled on the name of Carlos Fuentes because, 1285 00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:57.949 uh, 1286 00:50:58.409 --> 00:50:58.770 one, 1287 00:50:58.879 --> 00:50:59.209 he, 1288 00:50:59.330 --> 00:51:01.070 he's a diplomat, 1289 00:51:01.649 --> 00:51:02.090 uh, 1290 00:51:02.209 --> 00:51:03.409 he was. 1291 00:51:04.689 --> 00:51:05.449 Uh, 1292 00:51:06.459 --> 00:51:08.330 A Spanish writing 1293 00:51:08.830 --> 00:51:09.669 author. 1294 00:51:10.590 --> 00:51:13.969 Whose name was constantly 1295 00:51:14.469 --> 00:51:16.489 mentioned for the Nobel. 1296 00:51:17.429 --> 00:51:17.830 Uh, 1297 00:51:17.870 --> 00:51:19.919 prize in literature. 1298 00:51:20.469 --> 00:51:21.129 He 1299 00:51:21.550 --> 00:51:25.360 had been awarded several of the most distinguished writing poet 1300 00:51:25.590 --> 00:51:28.550 prizes across cultures and so on. 1301 00:51:29.530 --> 00:51:32.989 He was an extraordinary speaker. 1302 00:51:34.219 --> 00:51:34.879 And 1303 00:51:36.629 --> 00:51:38.989 He spoke to our, 1304 00:51:39.469 --> 00:51:40.129 his, 1305 00:51:40.469 --> 00:51:40.669 he, 1306 00:51:40.790 --> 00:51:42.409 he was a person who would 1307 00:51:43.300 --> 00:51:44.750 speak to our 1308 00:51:45.530 --> 00:51:46.149 Uh 1309 00:51:46.879 --> 00:51:48.550 Hispanic faculty. 1310 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:49.370 Our, 1311 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:51.300 uh, 1312 00:51:51.310 --> 00:51:52.780 literary faculty, 1313 00:51:53.560 --> 00:51:56.439 our political science faculty. 1314 00:51:57.540 --> 00:51:57.899 Uh, 1315 00:51:58.020 --> 00:51:58.429 he, 1316 00:51:58.659 --> 00:51:59.479 he covered, 1317 00:51:59.500 --> 00:51:59.770 uh, 1318 00:51:59.899 --> 00:52:01.000 an awful lot of. 1319 00:52:02.739 --> 00:52:02.750 The 1320 00:52:03.310 --> 00:52:03.909 bases 1321 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:08.679 And I wrote directly to him. 1322 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:11.020 Uh, 1323 00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:13.659 setting out very general terms. 1324 00:52:15.469 --> 00:52:16.620 Uh, 1325 00:52:17.080 --> 00:52:18.100 and 1326 00:52:18.600 --> 00:52:19.479 I don't know. 1327 00:52:19.600 --> 00:52:22.540 I optimistically hope to hear back 1328 00:52:23.270 --> 00:52:25.439 within a relatively short amount of time, 1329 00:52:25.560 --> 00:52:27.070 but it turns out that 1330 00:52:28.209 --> 00:52:29.669 Uh, 1331 00:52:29.729 --> 00:52:32.870 all such mail as mine was 1332 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.510 shunted to his. 1333 00:52:36.330 --> 00:52:37.110 Uh, 1334 00:52:37.570 --> 00:52:38.290 agent. 1335 00:52:39.429 --> 00:52:42.129 And that not very often, 1336 00:52:42.510 --> 00:52:43.469 so. 1337 00:52:44.219 --> 00:52:45.580 Quite a while went by, 1338 00:52:45.649 --> 00:52:47.320 3 or 4 months went by, 1339 00:52:47.330 --> 00:52:47.639 and 1340 00:52:48.570 --> 00:52:49.300 I didn't 1341 00:52:50.739 --> 00:52:52.879 I didn't hear back from him. 1342 00:52:53.979 --> 00:52:55.739 And in the meantime, 1343 00:52:55.939 --> 00:52:56.760 uh, 1344 00:52:57.100 --> 00:52:59.040 a second name that 1345 00:52:59.669 --> 00:52:59.679 The 1346 00:53:00.350 --> 00:53:00.979 uh 1347 00:53:02.060 --> 00:53:05.860 The group had come up with was the name of Robert Coles. 1348 00:53:08.100 --> 00:53:08.699 And again, 1349 00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:10.219 he spoke to 1350 00:53:10.419 --> 00:53:11.100 a very, 1351 00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:13.020 very broad community. 1352 00:53:13.100 --> 00:53:13.699 He was, 1353 00:53:14.139 --> 00:53:17.879 his work with children of different ethnicities was, 1354 00:53:18.379 --> 00:53:19.899 was groundbreaking. 1355 00:53:20.969 --> 00:53:21.689 Uh 1356 00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:24.280 He offered a, 1357 00:53:24.290 --> 00:53:25.060 a 1358 00:53:25.370 --> 00:53:26.229 course. 1359 00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:27.659 Uh, 1360 00:53:27.669 --> 00:53:28.699 over the course, 1361 00:53:28.709 --> 00:53:29.149 uh, 1362 00:53:29.739 --> 00:53:32.330 during 20 odd years as a faculty member. 1363 00:53:33.260 --> 00:53:34.060 Uh, 1364 00:53:35.959 --> 00:53:36.729 Uh, 1365 00:53:37.540 --> 00:53:39.899 in citizenship and, 1366 00:53:39.959 --> 00:53:40.659 uh, 1367 00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:43.040 community contribution, 1368 00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:44.340 so on. 1369 00:53:45.290 --> 00:53:46.219 So, 1370 00:53:46.610 --> 00:53:47.290 uh, 1371 00:53:47.459 --> 00:53:48.729 I 1372 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:52.350 I approached him. 1373 00:53:55.139 --> 00:53:56.870 And 1374 00:53:58.939 --> 00:54:00.439 He responded 1375 00:54:00.860 --> 00:54:02.699 fairly quickly and 1376 00:54:04.489 --> 00:54:05.669 said he would. 1377 00:54:06.770 --> 00:54:06.780 Uh, 1378 00:54:07.409 --> 00:54:08.429 he would certainly 1379 00:54:08.530 --> 00:54:09.030 consider. 1380 00:54:10.520 --> 00:54:11.340 Uh, 1381 00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:13.500 inaugurating the series. 1382 00:54:15.250 --> 00:54:17.229 I'm sitting in my office, 1383 00:54:17.250 --> 00:54:17.800 uh, 1384 00:54:17.810 --> 00:54:19.389 maybe within 1385 00:54:19.649 --> 00:54:22.649 less than a week after I talked with Robert Coles. 1386 00:54:24.189 --> 00:54:27.820 Sitting in my office at about 5 in the afternoon. 1387 00:54:28.820 --> 00:54:30.129 Fairly despondent, 1388 00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:31.409 and I got a phone call. 1389 00:54:32.929 --> 00:54:35.350 From Carlos Fuentes's uh. 1390 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:37.370 Agent 1391 00:54:39.419 --> 00:54:40.419 Saying that 1392 00:54:40.659 --> 00:54:42.340 they've just read my letter. 1393 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.459 They wondered what the deal was. 1394 00:54:46.379 --> 00:54:47.620 Uh, 1395 00:54:47.979 --> 00:54:49.669 what were we looking for? 1396 00:54:50.850 --> 00:54:52.679 And I told uh 1397 00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:53.780 You know, 1398 00:54:53.899 --> 00:54:56.120 he'd certainly be willing to 1399 00:54:56.500 --> 00:54:57.540 come and give a lecture, 1400 00:54:57.590 --> 00:54:58.260 and I said, 1401 00:54:58.379 --> 00:54:59.020 uh, 1402 00:54:59.500 --> 00:55:00.780 it's not just a lecture, 1403 00:55:00.820 --> 00:55:02.560 I want a real piece of him. 1404 00:55:03.209 --> 00:55:03.219 And, 1405 00:55:05.270 --> 00:55:05.610 you know, 1406 00:55:05.689 --> 00:55:06.649 I said I want. 1407 00:55:07.590 --> 00:55:08.570 10 days 1408 00:55:09.330 --> 00:55:10.350 Of his time 1409 00:55:11.350 --> 00:55:12.830 And 1410 00:55:14.489 --> 00:55:16.679 The agent immediately went to, 1411 00:55:17.050 --> 00:55:17.209 well, 1412 00:55:17.290 --> 00:55:18.810 how much are you offering? 1413 00:55:19.389 --> 00:55:19.399 And 1414 00:55:19.550 --> 00:55:19.870 I said, 1415 00:55:19.989 --> 00:55:20.409 well, 1416 00:55:20.489 --> 00:55:20.989 uh, 1417 00:55:21.379 --> 00:55:22.909 $40,000. 1418 00:55:23.959 --> 00:55:25.159 And the agent said, 1419 00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:25.399 well, 1420 00:55:25.520 --> 00:55:27.860 for $40,000 he'll do anything. 1421 00:55:29.899 --> 00:55:29.909 So, 1422 00:55:32.610 --> 00:55:33.919 uh, 1423 00:55:34.330 --> 00:55:36.040 we started with the, 1424 00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:36.679 we, 1425 00:55:37.050 --> 00:55:40.729 we started negotiations within about a day and a half or so. 1426 00:55:40.810 --> 00:55:41.209 We 1427 00:55:41.570 --> 00:55:43.830 had a signed contract for 1428 00:55:44.300 --> 00:55:47.370 Carlos Fuentes to come and inaugurate, 1429 00:55:47.899 --> 00:55:48.449 uh, 1430 00:55:48.610 --> 00:55:50.370 the centennial lecture. 1431 00:55:50.780 --> 00:55:53.310 I had to go back to Robert Cole's. 1432 00:55:55.270 --> 00:55:57.030 And negotiate with him. 1433 00:55:58.090 --> 00:55:58.830 Uh 1434 00:56:00.010 --> 00:56:00.610 And, 1435 00:56:00.729 --> 00:56:01.320 and, 1436 00:56:01.570 --> 00:56:03.389 and we came to an agreement 1437 00:56:03.530 --> 00:56:03.939 that, 1438 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:04.790 you know, 1439 00:56:05.330 --> 00:56:05.610 he, 1440 00:56:05.830 --> 00:56:06.489 he, 1441 00:56:06.729 --> 00:56:07.830 he would come 1442 00:56:08.370 --> 00:56:09.330 the next year, 1443 00:56:09.449 --> 00:56:12.270 but he would have to come the next year 1444 00:56:12.689 --> 00:56:13.149 and, 1445 00:56:13.169 --> 00:56:13.770 uh, 1446 00:56:14.870 --> 00:56:16.189 2 installments. 1447 00:56:17.449 --> 00:56:18.129 Um, 1448 00:56:22.570 --> 00:56:23.330 So, 1449 00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:28.239 Thank you for all of these insights. 1450 00:56:29.020 --> 00:56:30.340 It's such a 1451 00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:32.360 Fascinating 1452 00:56:33.379 --> 00:56:35.699 view of how it all began, 1453 00:56:35.820 --> 00:56:39.679 and I know we began to talk about the centennial lecture 1454 00:56:40.060 --> 00:56:41.040 series today, 1455 00:56:41.100 --> 00:56:42.489 and with your permission, 1456 00:56:42.899 --> 00:56:47.620 we'll wrap up this recording and schedule another time to talk about 1457 00:56:47.939 --> 00:56:50.959 the Centennial lecture series and also the roads. 1458 00:56:51.090 --> 00:56:52.260 Would that work for you? 1459 00:56:52.659 --> 00:56:53.699 That works for me, 1460 00:56:53.899 --> 00:56:54.479 sure. 1461 00:56:54.850 --> 00:56:55.540 All right, 1462 00:56:55.860 --> 00:56:56.419 well, 1463 00:56:57.320 --> 00:56:58.300 Thank you again, 1464 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.350 and we will be in touch.