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Hello.

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Good day to you.

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My name is Primrose.

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How are you?

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Hello,

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this is Primrose Daniel Katie Boyce Jasino interviewing Peggy

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Nelson on the 2nd of November 2018 at 3 p.m.

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at Barri the Honors College.

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Oh,

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I record for like 30 seconds in silence.

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Hello.

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This is Primrose Singer and Katie Voice

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Jasino interviewing Doctor Dean Peggy Nelson,

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the former

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Vice Dean

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of Barra,

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the Honors College on 2nd of November 2018,

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3 p.m.

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At Barret,

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the Honors College.

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This interview is part of the Barret Oral History Project.

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Our goal is to preserve a record of

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Barrett's history in honor of the 30th anniversary.

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Thank you so much,

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Doctor Nelson,

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for taking the time to sit down with us and share your experience.

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My pleasure.

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Hm.

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Can you tell us when and how you got involved with Barrett?

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Sure,

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um.

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I was uh uh.

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A fellow in the Center for Environmental Studies

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and on the faculty in anthropology.

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When Dean Jacobs was hired here at ASU

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and uh he

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contacted me.

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And asked if he could just come talk to me

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because he knew I'd worked a lot with our students,

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especially in the social sciences,

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and he's a plant biologist,

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so,

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um,

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he wanted to learn more about that.

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I said,

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sure,

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tell me what you want for lunch.

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I'll get us some sandwiches,

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and we met in a conference room over in the Center for Environmental Studies,

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and we talked for about an hour and a half

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and,

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um.

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At the end of the talk,

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he said,

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uh,

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would you like to be the associate dean of Barrett?

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And I said,

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uh,

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no,

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thanks.

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I don't think so.

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I'm really very happy doing

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what I'm doing.

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And he said,

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well,

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think about it.

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So the next day I wrote back and said,

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yeah,

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maybe I would do that.

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How about just for,

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you know,

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a year or two

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because I have

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these other things,

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and he said,

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sure,

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and,

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um,

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I was with Barrett for 15 years

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so I,

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from the,

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first week

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working in Barrett,

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I completely

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loved it.

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I could honestly say I could get up every day and be happy.

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And when was this?

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When did you start?

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I started in um.

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the meeting with Mark

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Jacobs was in the fall of 2013,

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so it's 2014,

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would be my year.

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2013 and 2014,

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wow,

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I'm sorry.

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2003,

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2004 and 2004.

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not at all.

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Uh,

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so what are some of the memorable events of your time as the vice dean of Barret?

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That's a very hard question

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I've loved

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every aspect of Barrett

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in which I've been involved.

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working with the faculty,

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so I worked with all the faculty and,

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was part of the growth of the faculty from

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7 faculty when I started to 40

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faculty when I left

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I was part of the interview of the only person in Barrett who was

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part of the interview committee for every single person who's on the faculty here.

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so I got to see how that changed and grew and,

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the diversity of people who are interested in being part of Barrett,

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so that was wonderful.

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I've been involved in a number of projects that the students have initiated,

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one of my favorites was that,

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I was having trouble

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figuring out how best to communicate

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to the students

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to get them to

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pay attention to something that was really important.

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we have money,

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we still do

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have money for students who are,

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but they really can't afford the time because they're working 2 or 3 jobs.

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That's true.

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So we have a fund,

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which eventually became called the BiDStrip Fund,

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and it will

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pay the students $2000 to work with a faculty member.

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Now who wouldn't want that?

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Everyone would love that.

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Can I tell you how you spell the,

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the name of BidStrip,

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B I D.

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it just started off as something we call the Faculty Student Research Fund.

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we started it because students um.

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afford to do research because they just didn't

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have the income to stay in school.

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They didn't work two or three jobs.

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was late to a research meeting,

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and she is covered with mayonnaise,

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Where have you been?

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my second job is at Jimmy John's,

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and then I'm going to go from here over to Costco and put stuff on the shelves,

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you know,

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until midnight.

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I said

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we've fixed this

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anyway.

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I had this,

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we had this great fund and people weren't applying for it.

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why weren't they applying?

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They just weren't hearing the messages.

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in just a general meeting,

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I was with the students who are all RAs,

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CAs they're called CAs,

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I need a communication committee.

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Just people,

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you tell me,

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here's my message.

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Tell me how to frame it and

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how to put it out there because it's different for different things.

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And then what a fantastic group of students.

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They're so creative

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and uh we went from not enough applications to even spend all the money.

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needing to triple the size of the fund because we had so many applications,

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so you actually tripled the fund after that.

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I actually you actually tripled the fund after that.

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that is amazing,

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you know,

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all of the students.

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needed that money,

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so we were getting the word out there,

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Dean Jacobs would just put more money,

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and donors love putting money into that.

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That's how we dealt with the fund in the first place.

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that's a great idea.

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We'll give you,

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what,

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how much do you have in there?

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We'll give you another 50,000.

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it's a good thing to get donors to act on,

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and it's fantastic for the students.

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I wonder if my next question is going to beat what you've already told me,

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but what did you like best about your role in this development of Byron?

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there isn't anything I liked best,

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I loved working with the students on all kinds of things.

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I love working with the faculty,

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and one of my responsibilities was to meet every

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year with each faculty person individually and just

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talk to them about what they're doing,

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how's their teaching,

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research?

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can we help in some way,

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I love that.

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really knowing,

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and I got a chance to read the research,

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published research of every faculty member,

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which I also loved just knowing what people are doing,

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Uncle Barrett has a fantastic,

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you may not know this if you're new,

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but the staff here

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Completely committed to the students,

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they work together

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beautifully

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and always in the best interest of the student.

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There's no place else I've ever worked where everybody's

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first thing they say that's important to their job

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to do what's in the best interest of the students.

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I have experienced that firsthand,

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um.

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So can you tell us a little bit about the human events?

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The human event.

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Well,

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that's an interesting question because

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I've never traveled.

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Really,

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yes,

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no,

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uh,

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because I came here from

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being a faculty member in anthropology

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and I taught

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honors there,

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um.

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But I've never taught the human event.

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Now I've,

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I've read lots of human events,

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so have I.

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I've talked to faculty about teaching the human event.

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What I

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believe,

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I believe before I even came to the honors college,

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is that the human events.

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Should be

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taught to everybody.

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All 77,000 ASU students should have it in some form

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because it's really not the content

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that I,

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this is my own opinion,

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you know,

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if I was teaching it,

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I might feel differently,

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but it's really not the content

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of a particular class

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that it's about.

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Darwin,

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that it's about Shakespeare,

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that it's about,

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it's that's not the critical thing.

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The critical thing is that

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every student in the class

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learns how to become a good critical thinker and an argumentative writer.

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And that serves you no matter what you do.

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Yeah,

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absolutely,

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it's it's transcends all this book.

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Everything and we had,

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we've,

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I've heard,

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um,

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chemistry majors say I wrote better lab reports after I took the Humira.

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I mean,

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I wouldn't have thought that's the case,

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but actually it is because it's the logic,

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you know,

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figuring out you

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have to make an argument.

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How do you make the argument?

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You,

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you learn how to do that,

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so.

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The Bart students are

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very fortunate to have it.

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You must be in the history of ideas.

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I am in the history of ideas,

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yes,

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which is

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structured a bit in the same,

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well,

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pretty much the same way,

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um.

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And we developed that because

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The value of the human event

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was so critically important

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to our first year students.

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Our 3rd year students didn't get anything like that,

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so the faculty and

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The deans

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developed this thing called the history of ideas to make sure that,

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you know,

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we weren't just serving

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our students from the freshman year,

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but we're really serving our students from the minute they arrive.

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The minute they arrived,

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that's why you're required to take it.

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That's,

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that's why we sit when students said,

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well,

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I can't fit it in.

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Yes,

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you can,

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you can,

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because it's so critical to your future success,

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so this is why it's important,

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like this is why you think students should take it

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and never should it go away,

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never should it get bigger,

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never should it become a lecture class

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and.

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And

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always we in the honors college because we know its value should be thinking,

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how can we get this into.

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The classrooms across the university,

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we haven't succeeded in that,

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we should.

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Well,

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hopefully that we,

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we get there.

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um,

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so you said that you talked a little bit

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about the relationships that you build with other faculty.

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Can you tell us a little bit

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about fostering faculty connections and relationships,

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not just in Barrett but across the ESU.

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Um,

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let's see,

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how do I.

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Barrett is successful in part

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for all the reasons I've told you,

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but also because

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it's

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Well supported by all of the colleges of ASU,

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so you can go to any college,

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and it's not,

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you know,

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the deans will always say of the other deans,

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oh yeah,

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we're for that,

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we'll support that,

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but it has to trickle down.

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And,

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but you can go to the faculty in

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any college at ASU,

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and they will say,

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oh,

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Barrett is extremely important.

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Working with honor students is extremely important.

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That comes from

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Janet Burke,

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who is in my position,

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Janet Burke.

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Janet Burke.

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Yeah,

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is that B U R K E

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E?

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She was uh.

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When she finally

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when she left the university,

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retired.

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She was actually the head of Anza.

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Can you spell that again ONSA

447
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Office of National Scholarship.

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Advising.

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Uh,

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which is Kyle,

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you know.

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Um,

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but

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before she took that role,

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she was in my role.

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And she had started something called faculty honors advisors.

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They were about.

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A dozen

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of them

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around the university.

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What time is this if I may,

462
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I'm sorry,

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uh,

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I was wondering,

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like,

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do you remember the time when this happened?

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What about 2013,

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2014,

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when I came in,

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she moved to a different position,

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um.

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And when I saw that I could.

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I,

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well,

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I could see that it was working very well

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for those 67 or 12

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departments in which there was somebody who

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was so all faculty members advisors are faculty members in another department

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in the university

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whose job it is

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to

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Serve honor students

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in addition to everything else they do in their department,

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and all the departmental expectations,

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they also agreed to to serve honor students,

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help them navigate those majors.

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So

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I worked really

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one of the primary things I did was

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talk to them and then just go out to departments and talk to them

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about

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how honors could work within their.

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Department,

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what would be the best kind of honors?

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What would be the best kind of relationship for them to have with their,

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and every one of those is different,

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you know,

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what,

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what the physics department wants

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is really different from what the dance department wants,

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is really different from what

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CC,

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the School of Earth and Space Exploration,

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what they want.

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So

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what I did over

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the time I was here was to build that

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number

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from

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about a dozen

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to.

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I think when I left,

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it was 125 or 30.

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Wow,

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and how did you do,

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how did you build these relationships?

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By one on one,

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you know,

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going out and talking to people,

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um,

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I

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had some connections in departments,

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so I started there.

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And said,

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um,

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you go to a department and said

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I'd say the 70 honor students you have,

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uh,

529
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are you interested in having more

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honor students?

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They actually represent 2% of your

532
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Undergraduates,

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would you like,

534
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what would you like it to be,

535
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and how would you and I together

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make that happen,

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um,

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and

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each one of those was slightly different,

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um,

541
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and I was getting a little bit,

542
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my brain was getting a little full of stuff

543
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trying to to try to address all of that,

544
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but what happened is we built it into something that became

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more systematic.

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In fact,

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at one point I had built it big enough that it was.

548
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It was just like a big um

549
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trying to think of something like if you're trying to hold a ball that just keeps

550
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coming apart and rolling off your hands

551
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and it was like a patty

552
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yeah,

553
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some of the faculty owners advisors get melting

554
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chocolate ball or something

555
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um and

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uh what a couple of the faculty owners advisors came to me and said,

557
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you know.

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We really think that you need to have some rules,

559
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and we wanna

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help make those rules,

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and I said,

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well,

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that's fantastic because I don't wanna be out there saying,

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OK,

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all of you who are volunteering for us,

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here's your rules,

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but if you make them

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and give them to us and

569
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we work on them together,

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then I'd be happy to distribute them as the,

571
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as the,

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um,

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guidelines that come from faculty owners advisors to other faculty owns advisors.

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To help them be successful.

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And that was great.

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That was,

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that was a

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sea change.

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And then people really wanted to participate because they could

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see what it is they were expected to do,

581
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you know.

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I,

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I was doing it on sort of one on one and whatever and

584
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come up with some good expectations.

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It became easier

586
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to manage.

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It became much easier to manage,

588
00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:38.820
except then it got bigger and bigger and bigger because we want

589
00:16:39.280 --> 00:16:40.299
every major

590
00:16:41.229 --> 00:16:44.169
in which there's a Barrett suit to have a faculty on his advisor,

591
00:16:44.719 --> 00:16:46.059
and there are now about.

592
00:16:46.650 --> 00:16:47.500
At the time,

593
00:16:47.809 --> 00:16:48.450
I started doing it,

594
00:16:48.489 --> 00:16:48.770
there are

595
00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.250
probably about 60 different majors.

596
00:16:51.619 --> 00:16:52.830
Now Barre students have.

597
00:16:54.229 --> 00:16:55.900
150 different majors.

598
00:16:56.200 --> 00:16:57.859
So we need somebody and then,

599
00:16:57.969 --> 00:16:58.429
um,

600
00:16:58.440 --> 00:16:59.010
Karen Broome,

601
00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:00.549
who is on the faculty,

602
00:17:00.609 --> 00:17:02.140
she's the faculty chair right now,

603
00:17:02.719 --> 00:17:03.090
um,

604
00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:03.650
she

605
00:17:04.280 --> 00:17:05.400
started working for me.

606
00:17:05.760 --> 00:17:06.819
So part of her job

607
00:17:07.199 --> 00:17:10.040
was to work with me with the faculty honors advisor until

608
00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:13.358
we transitioned all of the faculty honors advisor work to Karen.

609
00:17:14.368 --> 00:17:14.579
Uh,

610
00:17:14.699 --> 00:17:15.239
so she

611
00:17:15.900 --> 00:17:16.459
meets with them,

612
00:17:16.719 --> 00:17:17.368
trains them,

613
00:17:17.579 --> 00:17:18.810
answers their questions,

614
00:17:19.140 --> 00:17:20.260
gets the support she needs.

615
00:17:20.339 --> 00:17:21.060
I work with her,

616
00:17:21.250 --> 00:17:21.739
worked

617
00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:22.560
with her,

618
00:17:23.098 --> 00:17:23.368
uh,

619
00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:23.890
to,

620
00:17:24.069 --> 00:17:25.380
to make sure that everybody's getting.

621
00:17:26.199 --> 00:17:27.739
What they needed because some

622
00:17:28.209 --> 00:17:30.579
faculty owners advisors want a lot of structure

623
00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:32.579
and some of them want no structure.

624
00:17:33.130 --> 00:17:33.160
That's

625
00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:33.510
true.

626
00:17:33.760 --> 00:17:35.579
Some of them want need

627
00:17:35.979 --> 00:17:36.920
resources,

628
00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:37.349
you know,

629
00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:38.780
in departments where

630
00:17:39.520 --> 00:17:41.339
there may be only 3 or 4 faculty,

631
00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:43.819
they can't do the same things

632
00:17:44.650 --> 00:17:47.680
as people can in departments where there's 150 faculty,

633
00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:48.479
so.

634
00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:49.469
Um,

635
00:17:49.609 --> 00:17:51.729
we're just sensitive to those differences,

636
00:17:51.770 --> 00:17:52.010
and,

637
00:17:52.089 --> 00:17:52.400
um,

638
00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:53.250
and they're our friends.

639
00:17:53.329 --> 00:17:54.390
They're our best friends.

640
00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:56.599
Anytime we need help,

641
00:17:57.560 --> 00:17:59.530
we pull in the faculty honors advisors,

642
00:17:59.589 --> 00:17:59.849
you know,

643
00:17:59.969 --> 00:18:00.130
and,

644
00:18:00.250 --> 00:18:00.910
and

645
00:18:01.209 --> 00:18:04.170
what great ambassadors for us if we have 150,

646
00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:05.209
120,

647
00:18:05.250 --> 00:18:08.290
150 people out in the university who are faculty who say,

648
00:18:08.609 --> 00:18:09.650
I'm an honors faculty,

649
00:18:09.729 --> 00:18:11.569
I'm a faculty honors advisor.

650
00:18:11.979 --> 00:18:12.290
Um,

651
00:18:12.530 --> 00:18:14.530
then we're really integrated into the university.

652
00:18:14.650 --> 00:18:16.270
So that's been one of my

653
00:18:16.770 --> 00:18:17.550
favorite

654
00:18:17.930 --> 00:18:19.170
projects working with faculty.

655
00:18:19.369 --> 00:18:19.380
Um,

656
00:18:20.260 --> 00:18:20.790
and

657
00:18:21.369 --> 00:18:25.089
why was this important and meaningful for you being advised in?

658
00:18:25.930 --> 00:18:26.329
Because

659
00:18:26.439 --> 00:18:28.689
it serves students so effectively.

660
00:18:29.670 --> 00:18:31.599
I know that when you come to the university.

661
00:18:32.790 --> 00:18:35.439
You can learn a tre tremendous amount

662
00:18:35.699 --> 00:18:36.819
from a lecture class,

663
00:18:36.979 --> 00:18:37.260
but

664
00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:38.959
when you really learn.

665
00:18:41.010 --> 00:18:44.380
Really deeply learn is when you're working one on one with a faculty member

666
00:18:44.810 --> 00:18:48.670
and the faculty owners advisor is that person who can work one on one with you

667
00:18:49.050 --> 00:18:50.319
and can get you

668
00:18:50.650 --> 00:18:51.810
to the right person.

669
00:18:52.910 --> 00:18:54.660
To do research with one on one,

670
00:18:54.699 --> 00:18:57.900
because they know if someone comes to me and says I want to do my

671
00:18:58.380 --> 00:19:01.660
research on the organic chemistry of phosphates.

672
00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:03.160
I say,

673
00:19:03.280 --> 00:19:03.380
wow,

674
00:19:03.510 --> 00:19:04.339
that's a great idea.

675
00:19:06.939 --> 00:19:07.140
Uh,

676
00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:08.939
but I don't know who those people are,

677
00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:10.359
and I could spend

678
00:19:11.459 --> 00:19:11.660
many,

679
00:19:11.780 --> 00:19:13.939
many hours trying to find out who those people are,

680
00:19:14.260 --> 00:19:14.619
contact them,

681
00:19:14.699 --> 00:19:15.780
they don't know who I am,

682
00:19:16.300 --> 00:19:18.910
but if I contact the faculty and advisor and I say,

683
00:19:19.910 --> 00:19:20.770
This student

684
00:19:21.189 --> 00:19:23.790
would like to work on the organic chemistry of phosphates.

685
00:19:23.910 --> 00:19:24.500
How can we,

686
00:19:24.670 --> 00:19:25.420
how can we do that?

687
00:19:25.709 --> 00:19:26.069
And

688
00:19:26.270 --> 00:19:26.579
um,

689
00:19:26.670 --> 00:19:27.650
can I help you?

690
00:19:28.430 --> 00:19:29.489
How can you help me

691
00:19:29.750 --> 00:19:31.229
in finding someone to work with her?

692
00:19:31.750 --> 00:19:32.040
And,

693
00:19:32.069 --> 00:19:32.449
um,

694
00:19:32.469 --> 00:19:33.430
it works every time.

695
00:19:33.670 --> 00:19:34.650
So the students are

696
00:19:35.189 --> 00:19:36.770
so effectively served

697
00:19:37.069 --> 00:19:39.160
when there's somebody who's really their advocate

698
00:19:39.829 --> 00:19:41.130
at the departmental level,

699
00:19:41.140 --> 00:19:42.560
and Karen and I decided.

700
00:19:43.280 --> 00:19:46.510
A few years ago that what what we really need to make sure is is there's

701
00:19:46.849 --> 00:19:50.770
never more than 50 students to one faculty owner's advisor in a department.

702
00:19:50.930 --> 00:19:52.439
So in some measures

703
00:19:52.689 --> 00:19:53.180
we have,

704
00:19:53.530 --> 00:19:54.420
I think in

705
00:19:54.650 --> 00:19:57.369
life sciences we have over 400 students.

706
00:19:58.439 --> 00:19:58.829
So

707
00:19:58.930 --> 00:20:01.250
one faculty honors advisor is not gonna be,

708
00:20:01.260 --> 00:20:02.579
might as well be in a big lecture class,

709
00:20:02.699 --> 00:20:02.969
right?

710
00:20:03.219 --> 00:20:03.699
That's true.

711
00:20:03.939 --> 00:20:05.040
So we ended up,

712
00:20:05.170 --> 00:20:05.390
um,

713
00:20:05.609 --> 00:20:06.000
creating,

714
00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:09.510
I think there are 8 or 10 faculty honors advisors in life sciences now,

715
00:20:09.939 --> 00:20:11.479
so that it really would be a,

716
00:20:11.939 --> 00:20:12.099
no,

717
00:20:12.180 --> 00:20:13.739
more than 50 students to a faculty member.

718
00:20:13.859 --> 00:20:15.430
Even then I'd like it to be 1 to 10,

719
00:20:15.500 --> 00:20:15.900
I mean.

720
00:20:17.109 --> 00:20:17.750
I would too,

721
00:20:17.910 --> 00:20:18.069
but,

722
00:20:18.189 --> 00:20:20.310
but we don't expect the faculty owner's advisor

723
00:20:20.310 --> 00:20:22.310
to do all the research with the students.

724
00:20:22.469 --> 00:20:24.010
We expect them to

725
00:20:24.189 --> 00:20:26.290
help the student find the right place.

726
00:20:27.310 --> 00:20:27.780
Another,

727
00:20:27.949 --> 00:20:28.079
I,

728
00:20:28.189 --> 00:20:29.729
I'm just keep answering you.

729
00:20:30.189 --> 00:20:31.589
This is answering an earlier question,

730
00:20:31.939 --> 00:20:32.630
but you got me.

731
00:20:34.959 --> 00:20:36.180
A few years ago

732
00:20:37.670 --> 00:20:38.310
I

733
00:20:38.449 --> 00:20:38.900
um

734
00:20:39.609 --> 00:20:40.880
Was paying a lot of attention to.

735
00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:46.709
Which students struggle in finding research to do for the thesis,

736
00:20:47.349 --> 00:20:49.900
by which students I mean in what majors,

737
00:20:50.310 --> 00:20:52.050
and the life science and

738
00:20:52.150 --> 00:20:54.250
physical science students really

739
00:20:54.469 --> 00:20:55.589
struggle very much.

740
00:20:56.790 --> 00:20:56.800
Why?

741
00:20:57.339 --> 00:20:58.599
Because they have labs,

742
00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:01.329
because they get into lab relationships,

743
00:21:01.540 --> 00:21:03.579
because people in the engineering and the

744
00:21:03.579 --> 00:21:06.400
life sciences and physical sciences can accommodate

745
00:21:06.869 --> 00:21:08.770
quite a few students in their labs.

746
00:21:08.979 --> 00:21:09.339
There's,

747
00:21:09.780 --> 00:21:10.689
there's a guy in

748
00:21:11.380 --> 00:21:13.619
engineering who has 25 other students in his lab,

749
00:21:14.060 --> 00:21:14.339
yeah.

750
00:21:15.219 --> 00:21:17.530
They just can because they have these research

751
00:21:17.530 --> 00:21:18.770
projects and they have these big labs,

752
00:21:18.859 --> 00:21:20.839
but if you go to a history faculty member.

753
00:21:21.819 --> 00:21:22.020
Uh,

754
00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:23.709
he or she might have one.

755
00:21:24.310 --> 00:21:24.319
Because

756
00:21:24.989 --> 00:21:25.859
they're writing a book,

757
00:21:26.109 --> 00:21:26.270
you know,

758
00:21:26.390 --> 00:21:27.869
who can help them work on a book?

759
00:21:28.069 --> 00:21:30.140
Someone could do research with them and interact.

760
00:21:30.219 --> 00:21:30.500
But,

761
00:21:30.989 --> 00:21:31.469
so,

762
00:21:31.750 --> 00:21:32.150
um,

763
00:21:32.469 --> 00:21:35.069
it was the social science and humanities students who were

764
00:21:35.670 --> 00:21:36.489
really struggling,

765
00:21:36.989 --> 00:21:37.250
um,

766
00:21:37.510 --> 00:21:38.430
more than that.

767
00:21:38.589 --> 00:21:41.369
It's not that no physical sciences students were struggling,

768
00:21:41.459 --> 00:21:41.729
but

769
00:21:41.869 --> 00:21:43.290
it was less common.

770
00:21:44.310 --> 00:21:44.790
So I,

771
00:21:44.829 --> 00:21:45.369
um,

772
00:21:45.869 --> 00:21:46.849
I went to the,

773
00:21:47.349 --> 00:21:50.180
to one of the deans in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences and said,

774
00:21:50.270 --> 00:21:50.589
you know what,

775
00:21:50.670 --> 00:21:51.839
you have 30,

776
00:21:51.989 --> 00:21:53.689
more than 30 centers.

777
00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:55.920
And the centers are filled with faculty

778
00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.699
who rarely have contact with students because

779
00:21:59.280 --> 00:22:00.719
centers don't teach classes.

780
00:22:00.869 --> 00:22:01.099
That's true,

781
00:22:01.959 --> 00:22:02.500
so the

782
00:22:02.630 --> 00:22:04.359
faculty don't meet students,

783
00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:06.079
especially undergrads.

784
00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:08.699
So why don't we create a program

785
00:22:09.560 --> 00:22:11.020
where we

786
00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:12.640
go to the centers and say,

787
00:22:12.739 --> 00:22:15.400
what research would you like to have students engaged in.

788
00:22:16.239 --> 00:22:17.699
With which faculty

789
00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.199
supply us with all of that.

790
00:22:20.560 --> 00:22:22.300
We'll create a web portal,

791
00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:24.420
advertise to the students.

792
00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:26.140
The students apply,

793
00:22:26.199 --> 00:22:26.650
and

794
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.280
we in the Barrett look through them all to make sure that

795
00:22:29.280 --> 00:22:31.739
they are really in Barrett and they really are gonna do research.

796
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.619
And then we send them off to interview with the center faculty.

797
00:22:37.010 --> 00:22:38.619
The Center faculty pick the students.

798
00:22:39.199 --> 00:22:40.780
Every student who gets picked.

799
00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:43.459
Becomes part of a cohort,

800
00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:45.699
which I taught.

801
00:22:46.560 --> 00:22:48.790
Along with the dean with one of the deans in,

802
00:22:48.800 --> 00:22:49.150
um,

803
00:22:49.719 --> 00:22:50.239
CLAS,

804
00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:52.640
we met with them 4 times in the semester.

805
00:22:52.719 --> 00:22:54.420
We talked about how do you do research,

806
00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:58.760
how is your research in your field different from your research in your field and

807
00:22:59.199 --> 00:23:00.939
his and hers and so on,

808
00:23:01.189 --> 00:23:01.609
um,

809
00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:02.489
and

810
00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:04.619
how do you come up with the research question?

811
00:23:05.199 --> 00:23:06.329
What's that process?

812
00:23:06.479 --> 00:23:09.619
Because the students had to do that while they were working with these faculty

813
00:23:10.239 --> 00:23:10.319
anyway,

814
00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:10.849
it was.

815
00:23:11.459 --> 00:23:12.569
Incredibly exciting.

816
00:23:13.270 --> 00:23:15.500
It started off with 30 students,

817
00:23:15.589 --> 00:23:17.310
and I don't know what it is now.

818
00:23:17.430 --> 00:23:17.750
Um,

819
00:23:18.109 --> 00:23:19.109
Mary Ingram Waters,

820
00:23:19.229 --> 00:23:20.150
Doctor Ingram Waters,

821
00:23:20.229 --> 00:23:20.550
teaches.

822
00:23:20.670 --> 00:23:21.729
She took over my spot,

823
00:23:22.229 --> 00:23:24.270
so she runs that program now and teaches in it,

824
00:23:24.349 --> 00:23:24.729
but

825
00:23:25.150 --> 00:23:28.410
it was extremely satisfying to see these students because

826
00:23:28.550 --> 00:23:31.849
more than half of them ended up doing a thesis for that project.

827
00:23:32.469 --> 00:23:33.300
So they were early on.

828
00:23:33.349 --> 00:23:34.520
We were targeting sophomores.

829
00:23:34.630 --> 00:23:37.050
We really wanted to get the students in at the sophomore level,

830
00:23:37.550 --> 00:23:37.829
um.

831
00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:38.930
So

832
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:43.000
that was just really exciting to see work with faculty of centers,

833
00:23:43.239 --> 00:23:44.989
work with the deans at another college,

834
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.839
and then create a program that's really serves the students.

835
00:23:48.209 --> 00:23:52.319
So at the end of the day you had relationships that were multifaceted,

836
00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:54.000
the the faculty,

837
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:54.810
the students,

838
00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:55.349
the deans,

839
00:23:55.719 --> 00:23:55.959
everyone,

840
00:23:56.479 --> 00:23:57.300
that's the fun part.

841
00:24:02.260 --> 00:24:02.420
Oh,

842
00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:04.400
that's absolutely amazing.

843
00:24:04.810 --> 00:24:05.099
Uh,

844
00:24:05.260 --> 00:24:05.660
so

845
00:24:05.810 --> 00:24:08.060
I'm going to move to something a little bit more different.

846
00:24:08.219 --> 00:24:08.459
Uh,

847
00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:13.280
so can you tell me more about your relationship with uh ASU athletics?

848
00:24:13.859 --> 00:24:14.020
Oh,

849
00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:14.459
sure.

850
00:24:15.300 --> 00:24:15.810
Um,

851
00:24:19.449 --> 00:24:21.869
My relationship with ASU athletics started

852
00:24:22.449 --> 00:24:25.150
when I was a faculty member in New York.

853
00:24:25.969 --> 00:24:26.640
I was at a,

854
00:24:26.729 --> 00:24:27.949
a university.

855
00:24:28.939 --> 00:24:32.390
Which didn't have a division one athletic program

856
00:24:33.369 --> 00:24:35.250
and the president of the university said we're going

857
00:24:35.250 --> 00:24:37.089
to have this we have to create this.

858
00:24:37.170 --> 00:24:37.869
I need,

859
00:24:37.890 --> 00:24:38.270
uh,

860
00:24:38.369 --> 00:24:41.189
and the NCAA requires that every

861
00:24:42.310 --> 00:24:43.349
Division One

862
00:24:43.829 --> 00:24:44.089
school

863
00:24:44.869 --> 00:24:45.609
have a

864
00:24:45.750 --> 00:24:47.010
a faculty

865
00:24:47.510 --> 00:24:48.469
athletic

866
00:24:48.750 --> 00:24:49.329
board.

867
00:24:50.560 --> 00:24:50.569
So,

868
00:24:51.199 --> 00:24:51.510
um,

869
00:24:51.560 --> 00:24:52.540
he asked me to be

870
00:24:52.790 --> 00:24:54.739
the president of the university in

871
00:24:55.040 --> 00:24:55.400
New York.

872
00:24:55.479 --> 00:24:57.219
Asked me to be on the board,

873
00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:58.160
and I got

874
00:24:58.599 --> 00:24:59.459
very

875
00:25:00.199 --> 00:25:01.300
well educated

876
00:25:01.719 --> 00:25:05.140
in what it means to have a Division One athletic program.

877
00:25:06.479 --> 00:25:07.780
So when I came to ASU.

878
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:11.510
I went to see the athletic director and I said.

879
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.060
I'd like to be on the athletic board whenever you have an opening.

880
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.599
I'd like to be on the board because I just

881
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:20.579
find it's such an interesting aspect of the university,

882
00:25:20.969 --> 00:25:21.619
and

883
00:25:22.040 --> 00:25:25.380
that population of students needs people paying attention

884
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.160
to what they're getting from their university experience.

885
00:25:28.520 --> 00:25:30.640
Coaches are paying a lot of attention to

886
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:32.380
what they're getting from their athletic experience.

887
00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.020
Someone's got to be paying attention to what they're getting from the

888
00:25:35.439 --> 00:25:36.719
full university experience.

889
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:37.119
I mean,

890
00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:37.839
academic,

891
00:25:38.199 --> 00:25:38.760
social,

892
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:39.699
athletic,

893
00:25:40.030 --> 00:25:41.099
all wrapped together.

894
00:25:42.760 --> 00:25:43.099
So,

895
00:25:43.109 --> 00:25:43.349
um,

896
00:25:43.469 --> 00:25:43.829
he said,

897
00:25:44.030 --> 00:25:44.449
well.

898
00:25:45.229 --> 00:25:45.650
That's great,

899
00:25:45.750 --> 00:25:47.170
no one ever volunteers.

900
00:25:50.109 --> 00:25:50.349
Uh,

901
00:25:50.390 --> 00:25:50.859
and so,

902
00:25:50.949 --> 00:25:51.400
uh.

903
00:25:52.420 --> 00:25:55.160
I joined it or I was invited to join the athletic board,

904
00:25:55.579 --> 00:25:55.859
um.

905
00:25:58.099 --> 00:25:59.189
I don't remember when I joined,

906
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.099
it was a long time ago,

907
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:00.959
it was before I

908
00:26:01.180 --> 00:26:01.869
came into Baron,

909
00:26:02.280 --> 00:26:04.069
even before and and.

910
00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:07.099
It was a fascinating experience.

911
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:08.689
There are so many.

912
00:26:09.930 --> 00:26:11.050
Dimensions

913
00:26:11.530 --> 00:26:13.130
to being a student athlete,

914
00:26:13.530 --> 00:26:13.699
uh,

915
00:26:13.770 --> 00:26:16.469
there's so many dimensions to what governs,

916
00:26:17.130 --> 00:26:17.550
um.

917
00:26:20.550 --> 00:26:21.880
Schedules of student

918
00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:23.239
sports events

919
00:26:23.349 --> 00:26:26.199
and um the way students were recruited.

920
00:26:27.439 --> 00:26:29.260
The way they're treated

921
00:26:29.939 --> 00:26:30.359
um.

922
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:33.660
And everybody's young.

923
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:34.439
Well,

924
00:26:34.520 --> 00:26:35.000
not everybody,

925
00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:35.430
but

926
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.079
mostly the students are young,

927
00:26:37.219 --> 00:26:37.359
you know,

928
00:26:37.540 --> 00:26:40.079
they're between the age of 17 and 22.

929
00:26:40.520 --> 00:26:42.260
There's a few older but not too many.

930
00:26:42.719 --> 00:26:43.119
And you know,

931
00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:44.160
young people,

932
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:44.479
I,

933
00:26:44.560 --> 00:26:46.160
I'm not saying this to be disrespectful,

934
00:26:46.239 --> 00:26:48.030
but they just don't have a lot of experience,

935
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.219
so they make their own decisions.

936
00:26:50.939 --> 00:26:51.689
And

937
00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:53.530
it's not because they're bad,

938
00:26:53.780 --> 00:26:56.219
it's because they make the wrong decisions because they're young.

939
00:26:56.540 --> 00:26:56.920
So

940
00:26:57.260 --> 00:26:59.819
we need to understand that and then help them get

941
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:02.180
to the right place so the decisions come out better.

942
00:27:02.339 --> 00:27:03.819
It's the same thing here in Barrett

943
00:27:04.339 --> 00:27:05.420
or in the university,

944
00:27:06.020 --> 00:27:06.180
uh,

945
00:27:06.300 --> 00:27:09.839
but especially different for athletes because they're so visible

946
00:27:10.260 --> 00:27:11.869
and people can be so.

947
00:27:12.739 --> 00:27:14.089
Overwhelmingly.

948
00:27:14.770 --> 00:27:16.069
Adoring of them

949
00:27:16.449 --> 00:27:18.829
or can be so negative about them

950
00:27:19.449 --> 00:27:21.910
and uh normally just a student

951
00:27:22.250 --> 00:27:25.390
on campus doesn't have those ends of the spectrum

952
00:27:26.170 --> 00:27:26.569
um.

953
00:27:27.489 --> 00:27:31.420
The spotlight is too is quite big and they need a bit of guidance.

954
00:27:31.540 --> 00:27:31.900
Yes,

955
00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:32.670
yes,

956
00:27:32.859 --> 00:27:33.579
there was a student.

957
00:27:33.699 --> 00:27:34.780
I'll just give you an example.

958
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:36.699
I won't even name what sport it was.

959
00:27:38.510 --> 00:27:40.050
But there was a student who was,

960
00:27:40.550 --> 00:27:40.630
ah,

961
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:42.040
late to class all the time.

962
00:27:43.310 --> 00:27:44.069
And,

963
00:27:44.310 --> 00:27:45.229
and this is really true.

964
00:27:45.310 --> 00:27:47.050
The student was really speaking the truth.

965
00:27:47.790 --> 00:27:49.310
And so the coach called him in and said,

966
00:27:49.349 --> 00:27:50.670
You can't be late to class.

967
00:27:50.949 --> 00:27:51.099
You know,

968
00:27:51.150 --> 00:27:51.650
you're gonna

969
00:27:51.869 --> 00:27:52.510
hurt your grade,

970
00:27:52.579 --> 00:27:54.250
and that's gonna hurt your position on the team,

971
00:27:54.310 --> 00:27:55.349
and you're not gonna want that.

972
00:27:55.510 --> 00:27:56.310
And so the student said,

973
00:27:56.430 --> 00:27:56.459
Well,

974
00:27:56.589 --> 00:27:56.750
coach,

975
00:27:56.859 --> 00:27:57.689
the problem is

976
00:27:58.579 --> 00:27:59.989
everybody wants to get my autograph.

977
00:28:00.150 --> 00:28:01.369
So when they see me.

978
00:28:01.750 --> 00:28:02.530
Going to class,

979
00:28:02.910 --> 00:28:04.109
they'd want to get my autograph,

980
00:28:04.150 --> 00:28:06.569
and you've told me that I always have to be

981
00:28:06.829 --> 00:28:07.540
obliging,

982
00:28:07.589 --> 00:28:09.849
obliging to people who want

983
00:28:10.030 --> 00:28:12.829
to get my autograph or to say hi to me or shake my hand.

984
00:28:12.910 --> 00:28:14.890
So it always makes me late to class.

985
00:28:15.310 --> 00:28:15.979
The coach said,

986
00:28:16.390 --> 00:28:16.469
Look,

987
00:28:16.550 --> 00:28:17.819
you gotta put it in perspective,

988
00:28:17.949 --> 00:28:18.849
you know.

989
00:28:20.229 --> 00:28:20.339
But,

990
00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:21.689
and he was honestly,

991
00:28:22.349 --> 00:28:23.380
he wasn't just making that up.

992
00:28:23.390 --> 00:28:24.949
I don't think he was honestly saying,

993
00:28:25.069 --> 00:28:25.349
as you know,

994
00:28:25.469 --> 00:28:27.170
as an 18 year old boy,

995
00:28:27.709 --> 00:28:29.020
that was his interpretation,

996
00:28:29.030 --> 00:28:29.979
and so he was late to class,

997
00:28:30.030 --> 00:28:30.550
it was hurting him,

998
00:28:30.560 --> 00:28:31.910
and he didn't even think about it.

999
00:28:32.209 --> 00:28:32.219
Uh,

1000
00:28:32.630 --> 00:28:32.959
yeah,

1001
00:28:33.390 --> 00:28:34.589
he was doing the right thing.

1002
00:28:35.459 --> 00:28:35.819
Um,

1003
00:28:35.989 --> 00:28:36.150
oh,

1004
00:28:36.270 --> 00:28:37.709
that's quite an experience,

1005
00:28:37.770 --> 00:28:38.410
um,

1006
00:28:39.390 --> 00:28:41.050
or you've done a lot,

1007
00:28:41.109 --> 00:28:42.219
and I'm just wondering,

1008
00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:45.709
so what do you feel like is your legacy here at Barrett?

1009
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:49.140
My legacy.

1010
00:28:57.770 --> 00:28:59.760
I don't really feel like anything is my legacy,

1011
00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:00.869
because

1012
00:29:01.260 --> 00:29:03.760
everything that happens here during the time I was here

1013
00:29:03.869 --> 00:29:04.479
was a team.

1014
00:29:05.250 --> 00:29:05.670
Effort.

1015
00:29:06.089 --> 00:29:07.030
I didn't do anything

1016
00:29:07.729 --> 00:29:08.459
by myself.

1017
00:29:08.689 --> 00:29:10.430
I always did it with other people

1018
00:29:10.650 --> 00:29:11.489
and um.

1019
00:29:12.479 --> 00:29:12.599
Uh.

1020
00:29:14.479 --> 00:29:18.339
The and Dean Jacobs and I work very closely together on everything.

1021
00:29:19.270 --> 00:29:21.849
I would say that one of the things that has

1022
00:29:22.270 --> 00:29:25.270
changed in Barrett during the time I'm here is that.

1023
00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:30.430
Every time we

1024
00:29:30.729 --> 00:29:31.530
make a decision.

1025
00:29:34.560 --> 00:29:35.400
The mantra,

1026
00:29:35.520 --> 00:29:36.660
the understanding,

1027
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.550
what's front of everybody's mind is what's in the best interest of the students.

1028
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:41.859
That's changed

1029
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:42.880
at a,

1030
00:29:42.959 --> 00:29:44.020
at a big university.

1031
00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:46.040
How has that changed?

1032
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:46.439
Well,

1033
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:47.790
at a big university,

1034
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.000
any bureaucracy,

1035
00:29:49.479 --> 00:29:50.219
federal government,

1036
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:51.040
any bureaucracy,

1037
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:52.050
big company,

1038
00:29:53.199 --> 00:29:54.560
there's lots of rules,

1039
00:29:54.760 --> 00:29:55.760
and people are,

1040
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:56.680
um,

1041
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:57.979
socialized.

1042
00:29:58.560 --> 00:30:00.290
To follow the rules

1043
00:30:00.510 --> 00:30:02.109
and to consult the rules,

1044
00:30:02.510 --> 00:30:02.900
so,

1045
00:30:02.989 --> 00:30:03.510
um,

1046
00:30:03.790 --> 00:30:04.650
if you

1047
00:30:05.229 --> 00:30:06.550
want to drop a class.

1048
00:30:08.530 --> 00:30:09.849
There's a set of rules about that,

1049
00:30:10.369 --> 00:30:10.689
right?

1050
00:30:11.010 --> 00:30:11.420
So,

1051
00:30:11.609 --> 00:30:11.979
um,

1052
00:30:12.290 --> 00:30:12.670
what

1053
00:30:13.250 --> 00:30:17.310
happens in many bureaucracies in most places is people just look up the rule,

1054
00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:18.739
and then they say,

1055
00:30:19.170 --> 00:30:19.290
well,

1056
00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:19.719
actually,

1057
00:30:19.770 --> 00:30:20.050
you see,

1058
00:30:20.089 --> 00:30:21.530
you missed the deadline by 2 days,

1059
00:30:21.650 --> 00:30:23.630
so we're not gonna be able to drop you from that class,

1060
00:30:24.250 --> 00:30:24.729
right?

1061
00:30:25.569 --> 00:30:26.890
That's a terrible way to.

1062
00:30:27.630 --> 00:30:28.160
Um

1063
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:29.380
Operate

1064
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:30.420
with young people.

1065
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:33.579
Maybe it's a terrible way to operate with everybody,

1066
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.880
but it's a terrible way with young people in part because of what I was just saying.

1067
00:30:37.439 --> 00:30:38.260
Young people

1068
00:30:38.560 --> 00:30:39.660
are learning

1069
00:30:39.800 --> 00:30:41.260
how to make good decisions

1070
00:30:41.750 --> 00:30:42.589
while they're in college,

1071
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:43.000
and

1072
00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:45.630
So

1073
00:30:46.729 --> 00:30:47.890
That's true at ASU too,

1074
00:30:48.010 --> 00:30:48.209
you know,

1075
00:30:48.780 --> 00:30:49.599
there's a set of rules,

1076
00:30:49.609 --> 00:30:50.489
and you consult the rules,

1077
00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:52.170
and then you tell people what the rules are.

1078
00:30:53.250 --> 00:30:53.569
Um,

1079
00:30:53.810 --> 00:30:55.099
we here

1080
00:30:55.369 --> 00:30:55.979
have.

1081
00:30:56.930 --> 00:30:58.630
An entirely different mantra

1082
00:30:59.489 --> 00:31:01.310
which we evolved over the time

1083
00:31:01.569 --> 00:31:02.089
that I was here.

1084
00:31:02.209 --> 00:31:02.689
I don't,

1085
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:03.979
I would never say I

1086
00:31:04.089 --> 00:31:04.640
evolved it.

1087
00:31:04.689 --> 00:31:05.630
I made it happen.

1088
00:31:05.849 --> 00:31:06.630
I was just

1089
00:31:06.849 --> 00:31:07.130
part of the,

1090
00:31:07.209 --> 00:31:07.780
I was the,

1091
00:31:07.969 --> 00:31:08.829
I was the

1092
00:31:09.209 --> 00:31:10.390
one of the voices

1093
00:31:10.930 --> 00:31:11.900
saying every time,

1094
00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:12.410
what's.

1095
00:31:12.859 --> 00:31:13.530
The best of the students,

1096
00:31:13.650 --> 00:31:15.609
so you may come in and want to drop a class,

1097
00:31:15.770 --> 00:31:17.670
and we'll talk to you about that

1098
00:31:17.810 --> 00:31:18.829
and find out

1099
00:31:19.209 --> 00:31:21.069
why you need to drop that class.

1100
00:31:22.290 --> 00:31:24.050
So I had a student come in to say

1101
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.050
she wanted to drop a class because she got a B on the first test.

1102
00:31:27.250 --> 00:31:27.579
I said

1103
00:31:28.650 --> 00:31:29.609
that's no reason.

1104
00:31:29.890 --> 00:31:30.790
That's not a reason,

1105
00:31:31.050 --> 00:31:31.369
right,

1106
00:31:31.489 --> 00:31:34.849
because you can raise that up to an A plus if you want to,

1107
00:31:35.250 --> 00:31:35.410
you know,

1108
00:31:35.650 --> 00:31:36.189
don't,

1109
00:31:36.729 --> 00:31:38.229
don't let that

1110
00:31:38.410 --> 00:31:39.869
change the direction of your life.

1111
00:31:41.369 --> 00:31:41.849
Anyway,

1112
00:31:41.969 --> 00:31:43.329
so she couldn't drop it.

1113
00:31:43.449 --> 00:31:43.930
I wouldn't,

1114
00:31:44.089 --> 00:31:45.369
I wouldn't wouldn't help her,

1115
00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:46.010
right?

1116
00:31:46.369 --> 00:31:49.560
Another student could come in with an entirely different set of reasons,

1117
00:31:49.849 --> 00:31:50.609
and I would say,

1118
00:31:50.729 --> 00:31:50.849
oh,

1119
00:31:50.939 --> 00:31:51.290
absolutely,

1120
00:31:51.369 --> 00:31:51.969
this makes sense.

1121
00:31:52.089 --> 00:31:52.390
So

1122
00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:54.250
everybody's not treated the same.

1123
00:31:55.130 --> 00:31:56.790
In terms of the rules,

1124
00:31:57.439 --> 00:31:58.890
everybody's treated the same in terms of.

1125
00:31:59.689 --> 00:32:01.229
Us doing what's in their best interest.

1126
00:32:02.270 --> 00:32:05.050
And that understanding of their best interests comes from talking to them,

1127
00:32:05.260 --> 00:32:06.500
not from me sitting here thinking,

1128
00:32:06.619 --> 00:32:06.680
Well,

1129
00:32:06.790 --> 00:32:08.339
what you need is,

1130
00:32:08.780 --> 00:32:09.099
but

1131
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:10.979
us understanding together

1132
00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:12.189
what it is that,

1133
00:32:12.699 --> 00:32:13.680
that you need

1134
00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:15.459
and moving in that direction.

1135
00:32:15.819 --> 00:32:16.900
So that is,

1136
00:32:17.020 --> 00:32:18.530
I wouldn't say that's my legacy,

1137
00:32:18.579 --> 00:32:20.640
but that certainly is a legacy of.

1138
00:32:21.619 --> 00:32:22.869
That Barrett leaves

1139
00:32:23.219 --> 00:32:23.900
at ASU

1140
00:32:25.010 --> 00:32:25.709
always,

1141
00:32:25.750 --> 00:32:26.050
um,

1142
00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:26.810
the leadership,

1143
00:32:26.890 --> 00:32:28.229
the team that's been here,

1144
00:32:28.390 --> 00:32:28.910
um,

1145
00:32:29.369 --> 00:32:30.300
has made that happen.

1146
00:32:30.569 --> 00:32:30.689
I,

1147
00:32:30.729 --> 00:32:32.959
I think if you talk to anybody on staff now,

1148
00:32:33.489 --> 00:32:34.680
this wasn't the case when I came,

1149
00:32:34.729 --> 00:32:35.270
but now.

1150
00:32:36.060 --> 00:32:36.579
Um,

1151
00:32:36.869 --> 00:32:37.530
they would all say the same thing.

1152
00:32:38.709 --> 00:32:40.180
So it's fair to say that

1153
00:32:40.430 --> 00:32:43.189
even though you don't consider it your personal legacy,

1154
00:32:43.250 --> 00:32:43.689
but,

1155
00:32:44.189 --> 00:32:44.349
uh,

1156
00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:47.469
the spirit of team building and always putting the

1157
00:32:47.469 --> 00:32:50.979
student first is something that you contributed and admired.

1158
00:32:51.069 --> 00:32:53.750
And even though ASU is this big university,

1159
00:32:53.790 --> 00:32:54.880
it still lives on.

1160
00:32:56.290 --> 00:32:56.479
Yes.

1161
00:32:57.430 --> 00:32:57.439
Hm.

1162
00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:00.369
Well,

1163
00:33:00.449 --> 00:33:00.609
you know,

1164
00:33:00.729 --> 00:33:01.890
legacy is a tough thing,

1165
00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:02.089
you know,

1166
00:33:02.170 --> 00:33:02.829
you say,

1167
00:33:03.010 --> 00:33:03.250
um,

1168
00:33:03.369 --> 00:33:04.400
I can say if you ask me,

1169
00:33:04.449 --> 00:33:04.520
well,

1170
00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:06.469
what's the legacy of my research,

1171
00:33:07.369 --> 00:33:10.380
there's certain things that I wrote about and published about,

1172
00:33:10.729 --> 00:33:11.229
so

1173
00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:12.849
that's there,

1174
00:33:12.890 --> 00:33:14.869
even though still that's team effort,

1175
00:33:15.329 --> 00:33:15.849
um,

1176
00:33:16.250 --> 00:33:18.310
but in an organization like this

1177
00:33:18.890 --> 00:33:19.430
where

1178
00:33:19.810 --> 00:33:21.069
you can't have a legacy

1179
00:33:21.489 --> 00:33:21.680
if

1180
00:33:22.390 --> 00:33:24.109
The other people in the organization.

1181
00:33:24.930 --> 00:33:27.189
Are not all on the same page with you.

1182
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:29.310
Not for you,

1183
00:33:29.479 --> 00:33:30.469
but with you,

1184
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:31.319
um,

1185
00:33:31.800 --> 00:33:32.439
and so.

1186
00:33:33.380 --> 00:33:34.729
Legacies are funny that way,

1187
00:33:34.770 --> 00:33:35.310
I think,

1188
00:33:35.410 --> 00:33:35.859
um,

1189
00:33:36.209 --> 00:33:38.089
but that's how they're built to know.

1190
00:33:39.050 --> 00:33:39.290
Yeah,

1191
00:33:39.449 --> 00:33:40.150
well,

1192
00:33:40.729 --> 00:33:42.250
people say that it's their legacy,

1193
00:33:42.310 --> 00:33:43.089
but I don't think so.

1194
00:33:43.209 --> 00:33:43.589
I mean,

1195
00:33:43.729 --> 00:33:43.890
you know,

1196
00:33:44.010 --> 00:33:45.969
Michael Crowe might say this is my legacy,

1197
00:33:46.060 --> 00:33:46.829
but really

1198
00:33:47.130 --> 00:33:48.459
it's not his.

1199
00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:49.469
It's

1200
00:33:49.670 --> 00:33:50.170
his whole,

1201
00:33:50.290 --> 00:33:52.550
it's the whole team of people that made that happen.

1202
00:33:54.410 --> 00:33:54.530
Well,

1203
00:33:54.609 --> 00:33:55.199
thank you so much,

1204
00:33:55.290 --> 00:33:55.890
Doctor Nelson.

1205
00:33:55.969 --> 00:33:59.310
So I'm going to move on a little bit further and I

1206
00:33:59.569 --> 00:34:00.550
ask you,

1207
00:34:01.250 --> 00:34:03.449
what are you most proud of about Barrett?

1208
00:34:04.819 --> 00:34:05.060
Oh,

1209
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:05.829
the students.

1210
00:34:06.689 --> 00:34:07.329
That's easy.

1211
00:34:09.010 --> 00:34:09.850
What they've done,

1212
00:34:10.050 --> 00:34:11.010
where they are,

1213
00:34:11.449 --> 00:34:12.399
which students?

1214
00:34:12.530 --> 00:34:13.530
How do you mean that?

1215
00:34:15.418 --> 00:34:15.428
Uh,

1216
00:34:16.418 --> 00:34:16.809
yes,

1217
00:34:16.978 --> 00:34:17.599
what they've done,

1218
00:34:17.697 --> 00:34:18.358
where they are,

1219
00:34:19.539 --> 00:34:19.958
um,

1220
00:34:20.748 --> 00:34:20.858
you know,

1221
00:34:20.898 --> 00:34:21.928
the students,

1222
00:34:21.938 --> 00:34:22.388
uh,

1223
00:34:22.618 --> 00:34:23.599
in Barrett.

1224
00:34:24.958 --> 00:34:25.780
I don't know whether

1225
00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:29.090
It's partly that students come in to bear it because

1226
00:34:29.090 --> 00:34:31.250
they want to make a difference in their lives,

1227
00:34:31.290 --> 00:34:32.250
other people's lives.

1228
00:34:32.330 --> 00:34:32.770
They want,

1229
00:34:32.889 --> 00:34:33.649
they have a vision.

1230
00:34:33.688 --> 00:34:34.760
They want to do this or that.

1231
00:34:34.810 --> 00:34:36.889
They don't necessarily end up doing this or that,

1232
00:34:37.370 --> 00:34:38.270
but they have

1233
00:34:38.530 --> 00:34:39.429
a drive,

1234
00:34:40.010 --> 00:34:41.668
or maybe it's that

1235
00:34:41.850 --> 00:34:42.129
they,

1236
00:34:42.290 --> 00:34:42.530
some,

1237
00:34:42.770 --> 00:34:45.070
some come into Barrett and they find a drive,

1238
00:34:45.610 --> 00:34:48.270
but every student leaving Barrett seems to have

1239
00:34:48.489 --> 00:34:50.020
something that they want to do.

1240
00:34:50.770 --> 00:34:51.840
That's important

1241
00:34:52.100 --> 00:34:53.800
and it could be important for their.

1242
00:34:54.768 --> 00:34:55.648
Community

1243
00:34:55.799 --> 00:34:56.908
for science,

1244
00:34:57.259 --> 00:34:58.868
for justice for.

1245
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:02.129
The state,

1246
00:35:02.219 --> 00:35:02.729
the nation,

1247
00:35:02.810 --> 00:35:03.360
the country,

1248
00:35:03.449 --> 00:35:04.090
the world,

1249
00:35:04.209 --> 00:35:05.149
the climate,

1250
00:35:05.610 --> 00:35:05.989
um,

1251
00:35:06.209 --> 00:35:06.469
but.

1252
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:09.659
They leave having that,

1253
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:13.699
and it's what drives students to complete their thesis when they

1254
00:35:13.919 --> 00:35:15.340
are sick and tired of it,

1255
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:17.239
and they just wanna graduate,

1256
00:35:17.959 --> 00:35:20.959
because it really is something that um is important.

1257
00:35:22.209 --> 00:35:23.090
And um

1258
00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:24.540
I'm incredibly

1259
00:35:24.979 --> 00:35:25.629
proud

1260
00:35:26.060 --> 00:35:26.500
that.

1261
00:35:27.709 --> 00:35:28.629
Our students

1262
00:35:28.830 --> 00:35:29.350
are

1263
00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:30.489
in that way

1264
00:35:31.310 --> 00:35:32.229
so accomplished.

1265
00:35:32.979 --> 00:35:33.429
And,

1266
00:35:33.590 --> 00:35:34.189
and

1267
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:35.100
relieved.

1268
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:36.439
That,

1269
00:35:36.449 --> 00:35:36.909
um,

1270
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:39.459
they're gonna take over the world because

1271
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:40.659
it's time for someone

1272
00:35:42.020 --> 00:35:43.060
it's time for change,

1273
00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:43.699
um,

1274
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:44.209
and,

1275
00:35:44.250 --> 00:35:44.689
uh,

1276
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.979
and our students are really well prepared for that

1277
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:48.719
across the spectrum,

1278
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:48.919
you know,

1279
00:35:49.070 --> 00:35:50.879
some of our students are incredibly conservative,

1280
00:35:50.959 --> 00:35:52.199
some of them are incredibly liberal.

1281
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:53.159
I don't mean that

1282
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.320
I favor one end or the other of anything.

1283
00:35:55.479 --> 00:35:57.330
Some of them are very science oriented.

1284
00:35:57.439 --> 00:35:58.060
Some of them

1285
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:59.429
can't stand science.

1286
00:35:59.479 --> 00:36:01.199
I've had them in the same classes.

1287
00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:03.810
Um,

1288
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.429
but they all are doing something important.

1289
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:06.760
Hm.

1290
00:36:07.479 --> 00:36:07.600
Well,

1291
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.040
that's something to be proud of,

1292
00:36:09.129 --> 00:36:09.600
yes,

1293
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:10.219
yeah.

1294
00:36:10.949 --> 00:36:10.959
Hm.

1295
00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:12.179
Ah,

1296
00:36:12.379 --> 00:36:14.080
so after all these years,

1297
00:36:14.419 --> 00:36:14.689
uh,

1298
00:36:14.780 --> 00:36:16.040
15 years,

1299
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:17.800
that's a long time,

1300
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:18.379
uh,

1301
00:36:18.489 --> 00:36:20.070
and you've moved on.

1302
00:36:20.419 --> 00:36:23.340
And now how do you see the future of Barrett?

1303
00:36:35.139 --> 00:36:35.260
Well,

1304
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:36.139
I think that.

1305
00:36:44.409 --> 00:36:45.389
I think that

1306
00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:49.949
because Barrett is such a team oriented college.

1307
00:36:51.600 --> 00:36:53.709
We have the ability to

1308
00:36:54.050 --> 00:36:54.520
move.

1309
00:36:57.120 --> 00:36:59.000
To whatever's important.

1310
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.000
So when we realized some things are important,

1311
00:37:01.080 --> 00:37:01.919
we moved to it.

1312
00:37:02.659 --> 00:37:05.620
We realized that students needed funding to do research.

1313
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:06.560
We,

1314
00:37:06.699 --> 00:37:07.280
we moved to it.

1315
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.360
We realized that students needed research opportunities

1316
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.699
with faculty to move to it,

1317
00:37:11.120 --> 00:37:11.439
um.

1318
00:37:12.699 --> 00:37:12.860
I,

1319
00:37:12.939 --> 00:37:14.439
I think we realized.

1320
00:37:15.510 --> 00:37:17.629
A couple of years ago that's

1321
00:37:17.870 --> 00:37:18.629
that um.

1322
00:37:20.070 --> 00:37:22.790
Students needed much more exposure to.

1323
00:37:25.540 --> 00:37:25.760
Uh,

1324
00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:26.179
the other,

1325
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:26.540
I'll call,

1326
00:37:26.620 --> 00:37:27.379
I'm an anthropologist,

1327
00:37:27.459 --> 00:37:29.239
so I'll just call the other in anthropology.

1328
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.780
To people in places other than themselves and their own

1329
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.260
experiences

1330
00:37:35.560 --> 00:37:37.500
and even if a student has been

1331
00:37:38.120 --> 00:37:39.600
to 6 places in the world,

1332
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:39.879
well,

1333
00:37:39.959 --> 00:37:43.250
there are 6000 million more places they could be,

1334
00:37:43.969 --> 00:37:44.439
um,

1335
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:45.179
and,

1336
00:37:45.260 --> 00:37:45.659
uh.

1337
00:37:47.689 --> 00:37:48.010
And,

1338
00:37:48.129 --> 00:37:48.250
and,

1339
00:37:48.330 --> 00:37:50.229
and so it's so extremely important

1340
00:37:51.010 --> 00:37:54.550
that students get experiences outside of themselves and

1341
00:37:54.969 --> 00:37:56.729
outside of even their safety zone.

1342
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:58.899
So how do you do that?

1343
00:38:00.350 --> 00:38:01.510
For some students

1344
00:38:01.790 --> 00:38:03.100
they're just afraid of it,

1345
00:38:03.870 --> 00:38:04.949
so you need to

1346
00:38:05.189 --> 00:38:05.929
have some.

1347
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.939
Ways to help them

1348
00:38:09.120 --> 00:38:10.020
not be afraid,

1349
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:11.939
um,

1350
00:38:12.399 --> 00:38:13.270
for example,

1351
00:38:14.530 --> 00:38:15.620
One of the things I haven't,

1352
00:38:15.850 --> 00:38:17.330
I never had a chance to develop,

1353
00:38:17.399 --> 00:38:19.219
but what I wanted to develop

1354
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:20.739
was a

1355
00:38:20.959 --> 00:38:22.659
travel abroad course

1356
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:24.729
where it was just a week.

1357
00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:26.520
The travel was a week,

1358
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:27.959
the course was a semester,

1359
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.169
so you take a

1360
00:38:29.399 --> 00:38:30.020
course

1361
00:38:30.399 --> 00:38:32.179
starting at the beginning of the semester

1362
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:33.580
and you

1363
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:35.699
study a place,

1364
00:38:36.520 --> 00:38:37.360
we'll call it.

1365
00:38:38.830 --> 00:38:39.510
New York City,

1366
00:38:39.750 --> 00:38:40.290
yes.

1367
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:42.000
Or you know,

1368
00:38:42.120 --> 00:38:43.020
or Singapore,

1369
00:38:43.889 --> 00:38:44.709
we'll take Singapore.

1370
00:38:45.330 --> 00:38:46.659
They study Singapore,

1371
00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:49.800
and the way you study it is that the person teaching the course,

1372
00:38:49.879 --> 00:38:50.419
me,

1373
00:38:50.879 --> 00:38:52.919
I've identified people in Singapore

1374
00:38:53.520 --> 00:38:54.379
who will.

1375
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:56.699
Each week

1376
00:38:56.959 --> 00:38:57.750
one of them

1377
00:38:57.959 --> 00:39:00.080
Skype in with our students,

1378
00:39:00.439 --> 00:39:02.979
so our students will read about what that person does.

1379
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.100
It could be somebody who is a bootmaker,

1380
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.020
then somebody who's a politician,

1381
00:39:07.520 --> 00:39:09.110
somebody who owns a vegetable stand,

1382
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:09.600
somebody,

1383
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:10.080
and

1384
00:39:10.560 --> 00:39:12.939
so for the whole first half of the course

1385
00:39:13.479 --> 00:39:13.939
you

1386
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.439
Skype in and talk to these people in Singapore,

1387
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:17.820
learn about them,

1388
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:18.629
um,

1389
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:19.379
and

1390
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:20.120
then.

1391
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:22.760
Right in the middle of the semester you go to Singapore and

1392
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.379
you meet them all face to face and you talk to them.

1393
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.120
You understand that you get to

1394
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.179
even better understand their lives.

1395
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:31.020
Then you come back

1396
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:34.080
and then you write about those aspects of Singapore

1397
00:39:34.399 --> 00:39:35.419
and your own.

1398
00:39:36.669 --> 00:39:39.120
How that affects your own personal experience

1399
00:39:39.459 --> 00:39:39.969
of

1400
00:39:40.510 --> 00:39:40.909
travel.

1401
00:39:41.659 --> 00:39:44.280
And exposure to other people in other ways.

1402
00:39:45.149 --> 00:39:46.350
I never got to develop that.

1403
00:39:46.510 --> 00:39:47.590
I proposed it.

1404
00:39:48.689 --> 00:39:49.790
I tried to get a grant

1405
00:39:50.010 --> 00:39:51.649
because it's the travel part you have to have

1406
00:39:51.649 --> 00:39:54.179
a grant for because you want anybody in the

1407
00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:55.870
in Barrett to be able to go.

1408
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:58.419
I mean only 20 at a time,

1409
00:39:58.500 --> 00:39:58.939
but,

1410
00:39:59.979 --> 00:40:03.310
but you don't want people to be eliminated from it because of their

1411
00:40:03.739 --> 00:40:04.830
funding and

1412
00:40:05.459 --> 00:40:05.939
um.

1413
00:40:06.790 --> 00:40:09.610
It tends to be true that people on the lower income

1414
00:40:09.909 --> 00:40:11.540
levels have had less travel,

1415
00:40:11.870 --> 00:40:14.090
so they will tend to be more reticent to travel.

1416
00:40:15.070 --> 00:40:17.070
So that's why this is a great course for them,

1417
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:18.310
but you have to have the money.

1418
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:19.719
To travel

1419
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:20.179
anyway,

1420
00:40:20.600 --> 00:40:23.719
I think that Barrett needs to go more and more in that direction.

1421
00:40:24.189 --> 00:40:27.239
We need to expand the global experience of our students,

1422
00:40:27.520 --> 00:40:28.979
and we need to make it more.

1423
00:40:29.939 --> 00:40:32.159
Easily possible for everybody to do that,

1424
00:40:32.870 --> 00:40:33.060
um,

1425
00:40:33.189 --> 00:40:34.030
that's a big challenge.

1426
00:40:34.149 --> 00:40:34.709
That's a big,

1427
00:40:34.830 --> 00:40:36.010
big funding challenge,

1428
00:40:36.149 --> 00:40:37.260
but something I think that.

1429
00:40:38.260 --> 00:40:39.679
Is extremely important.

1430
00:40:40.350 --> 00:40:40.360
Um,

1431
00:40:41.189 --> 00:40:41.350
well,

1432
00:40:41.510 --> 00:40:42.909
I love that you keep.

1433
00:40:44.020 --> 00:40:44.139
Well,

1434
00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:46.729
I love that you use the word we,

1435
00:40:47.100 --> 00:40:49.139
even though you've moved on.

1436
00:40:49.560 --> 00:40:49.570
Uh,

1437
00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:51.040
my question would be,

1438
00:40:51.260 --> 00:40:53.520
why do you why do you still care about that?

1439
00:40:56.649 --> 00:40:57.260
Oh my goodness,

1440
00:40:57.340 --> 00:40:57.459
well,

1441
00:40:57.620 --> 00:41:00.270
I'll I'll I'll be very candid,

1442
00:41:00.739 --> 00:41:01.179
um.

1443
00:41:02.129 --> 00:41:04.010
As I moved into my 60s,

1444
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.409
in my mid-60s,

1445
00:41:05.729 --> 00:41:06.469
I thought,

1446
00:41:06.649 --> 00:41:07.010
um.

1447
00:41:07.939 --> 00:41:09.379
When am I going to retire?

1448
00:41:10.629 --> 00:41:11.750
Why would I retire?

1449
00:41:11.919 --> 00:41:12.590
And so I thought,

1450
00:41:12.709 --> 00:41:12.790
well,

1451
00:41:12.870 --> 00:41:14.330
what's gonna happen is

1452
00:41:14.709 --> 00:41:15.649
I'm just gonna get

1453
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:16.590
cranky.

1454
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:18.830
When they get tired of the things,

1455
00:41:19.300 --> 00:41:19.600
you know,

1456
00:41:19.719 --> 00:41:20.540
in any job,

1457
00:41:20.750 --> 00:41:21.060
and,

1458
00:41:21.080 --> 00:41:21.510
you know,

1459
00:41:22.030 --> 00:41:23.149
any group of people you work with,

1460
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:24.540
there are people who are annoying,

1461
00:41:26.040 --> 00:41:26.199
right?

1462
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:26.939
And so

1463
00:41:27.479 --> 00:41:27.770
you,

1464
00:41:27.879 --> 00:41:29.030
in order to make things work,

1465
00:41:29.080 --> 00:41:30.679
you don't let that get under your skin,

1466
00:41:30.870 --> 00:41:31.320
but I thought,

1467
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:31.479
oh,

1468
00:41:31.560 --> 00:41:33.280
it'll just get under my skin more and more.

1469
00:41:33.479 --> 00:41:33.949
I'll get

1470
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.540
annoyed with people,

1471
00:41:36.229 --> 00:41:36.879
students,

1472
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:37.719
staff,

1473
00:41:37.879 --> 00:41:38.520
faculty.

1474
00:41:38.600 --> 00:41:39.040
I'll just think,

1475
00:41:39.080 --> 00:41:39.600
oh gosh,

1476
00:41:39.739 --> 00:41:40.500
this again,

1477
00:41:40.959 --> 00:41:41.459
um.

1478
00:41:43.120 --> 00:41:44.020
I never did.

1479
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:45.620
I never did.

1480
00:41:45.959 --> 00:41:47.560
I kept getting up in the morning and saying,

1481
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:48.919
I love going to work.

1482
00:41:49.889 --> 00:41:50.639
Going to work,

1483
00:41:50.850 --> 00:41:51.159
not,

1484
00:41:51.330 --> 00:41:52.010
not every second,

1485
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:52.330
you know,

1486
00:41:52.449 --> 00:41:52.989
there's

1487
00:41:53.090 --> 00:41:54.360
challenging things,

1488
00:41:54.570 --> 00:41:54.760
but,

1489
00:41:54.810 --> 00:41:55.229
um,

1490
00:41:56.209 --> 00:41:57.909
and so I realized if I

1491
00:41:58.290 --> 00:41:59.469
decide to retire

1492
00:42:00.419 --> 00:42:01.649
because I don't like my job,

1493
00:42:01.729 --> 00:42:02.850
I'll never retire.

1494
00:42:04.189 --> 00:42:04.629
Oh.

1495
00:42:05.399 --> 00:42:06.620
And so I had

1496
00:42:07.010 --> 00:42:07.020
to

1497
00:42:07.550 --> 00:42:08.290
come up with some other reason,

1498
00:42:08.489 --> 00:42:08.770
no,

1499
00:42:09.209 --> 00:42:10.290
I had other reasons too,

1500
00:42:10.889 --> 00:42:11.250
um.

1501
00:42:13.120 --> 00:42:14.040
And I can talk about that,

1502
00:42:14.120 --> 00:42:15.080
but that's not about Barrett.

1503
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:16.179
But so Barrett is,

1504
00:42:16.439 --> 00:42:19.000
I believe so deeply in Barrett.

1505
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:20.340
I believe in

1506
00:42:20.479 --> 00:42:20.919
um.

1507
00:42:21.699 --> 00:42:23.760
What it provides to students,

1508
00:42:24.330 --> 00:42:26.350
the way it treats students,

1509
00:42:26.850 --> 00:42:27.310
uh,

1510
00:42:27.489 --> 00:42:30.469
the way that students have such a voice

1511
00:42:30.649 --> 00:42:32.389
in the Barrett experience.

1512
00:42:33.389 --> 00:42:34.370
I love that

1513
00:42:34.629 --> 00:42:35.860
and I'll always be,

1514
00:42:35.989 --> 00:42:37.350
I'll always say we

1515
00:42:37.580 --> 00:42:38.530
are doing this,

1516
00:42:38.669 --> 00:42:39.110
um,

1517
00:42:39.389 --> 00:42:41.419
because I'll always feel like I'm part of it,

1518
00:42:41.429 --> 00:42:43.050
even if I'm not actively.

1519
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:45.639
Directing parts of it

1520
00:42:46.620 --> 00:42:47.300
and the same thing,

1521
00:42:47.379 --> 00:42:47.580
you know,

1522
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:48.120
that

1523
00:42:48.750 --> 00:42:49.500
I've never been,

1524
00:42:49.580 --> 00:42:52.610
I've been an academic for 40 years.

1525
00:42:53.979 --> 00:42:54.760
More than 40 years.

1526
00:42:55.120 --> 00:42:55.129
Oh,

1527
00:42:55.219 --> 00:42:56.080
that's a reasonable time.

1528
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:57.209
I'm

1529
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:57.979
not frightening.

1530
00:42:58.080 --> 00:42:58.129
Yeah,

1531
00:42:58.899 --> 00:43:02.719
just remember that so when you could say I've been an academic for 40 years.

1532
00:43:03.870 --> 00:43:03.879
Um,

1533
00:43:04.979 --> 00:43:06.879
and I've never been in a college where.

1534
00:43:08.860 --> 00:43:09.689
Because

1535
00:43:09.830 --> 00:43:10.729
everybody in the college,

1536
00:43:11.070 --> 00:43:14.100
all the faculty are here because they love working with students,

1537
00:43:14.629 --> 00:43:17.629
all the staff are here because they love working with students.

1538
00:43:18.149 --> 00:43:19.729
We don't always agree on everything,

1539
00:43:20.070 --> 00:43:20.270
you know,

1540
00:43:20.429 --> 00:43:22.030
just like a family squabbles,

1541
00:43:22.139 --> 00:43:22.550
but,

1542
00:43:22.790 --> 00:43:23.250
um,

1543
00:43:23.669 --> 00:43:24.949
but they all do.

1544
00:43:25.110 --> 00:43:26.290
It's always

1545
00:43:26.469 --> 00:43:26.770
a

1546
00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:28.870
team effort in the best interests of the students.

1547
00:43:28.949 --> 00:43:30.689
And so what could be better,

1548
00:43:30.870 --> 00:43:31.300
um,

1549
00:43:31.550 --> 00:43:32.050
and I

1550
00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:33.689
support it completely.

1551
00:43:34.629 --> 00:43:34.639
Hm,

1552
00:43:35.310 --> 00:43:36.310
and I'm still part of it,

1553
00:43:36.510 --> 00:43:36.909
just

1554
00:43:37.110 --> 00:43:38.189
lurking in the shadows,

1555
00:43:38.229 --> 00:43:39.850
and I'll look up and I'll be in the corner.

1556
00:43:40.689 --> 00:43:40.699
Oh,

1557
00:43:41.149 --> 00:43:44.040
that's amazing you're here and you're telling us all this at

1558
00:43:44.310 --> 00:43:45.189
Bage at 30,

1559
00:43:45.270 --> 00:43:46.290
so you're still here.

1560
00:43:46.550 --> 00:43:48.070
Can I ask a follow-up question?

1561
00:43:48.189 --> 00:43:48.719
Um,

1562
00:43:48.989 --> 00:43:52.570
I was wondering that reminded me of something you said earlier about

1563
00:43:52.949 --> 00:43:53.530
wanting,

1564
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.090
like imagining the human events

1565
00:43:56.590 --> 00:43:58.199
for everybody at ASU.

1566
00:43:58.300 --> 00:43:58.659
And again,

1567
00:43:58.669 --> 00:44:00.610
when you were talking about the faculty.

1568
00:44:00.939 --> 00:44:01.449
Um,

1569
00:44:01.629 --> 00:44:01.870
honor,

1570
00:44:01.949 --> 00:44:05.229
honors faculty advisors and sort of communicating and

1571
00:44:05.229 --> 00:44:07.469
integrating Barrett with the rest of the university.

1572
00:44:07.590 --> 00:44:08.770
So I was wondering sort of

1573
00:44:09.110 --> 00:44:10.169
how you see

1574
00:44:10.389 --> 00:44:12.149
that aspect of Barrett going forward,

1575
00:44:12.219 --> 00:44:15.389
this relationship between Barrett and the rest of the university,

1576
00:44:15.429 --> 00:44:15.699
and,

1577
00:44:15.949 --> 00:44:16.750
and what kind of,

1578
00:44:16.949 --> 00:44:17.149
yeah,

1579
00:44:17.310 --> 00:44:18.350
how you think that will change,

1580
00:44:18.429 --> 00:44:20.219
what you would like to see with it and

1581
00:44:20.429 --> 00:44:22.129
what your thoughts of it on it are

1582
00:44:22.830 --> 00:44:24.139
with the human event or just in general,

1583
00:44:24.189 --> 00:44:24.899
just in general,

1584
00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:25.530
yeah,

1585
00:44:25.949 --> 00:44:26.300
um.

1586
00:44:27.469 --> 00:44:28.729
I think that uh.

1587
00:44:29.629 --> 00:44:32.889
I think that having this big network of faculty honors advisors

1588
00:44:33.030 --> 00:44:34.689
is very valuable

1589
00:44:35.070 --> 00:44:35.379
for,

1590
00:44:35.389 --> 00:44:36.870
it's not just valuable for the students,

1591
00:44:36.909 --> 00:44:37.899
it's great for the students,

1592
00:44:37.949 --> 00:44:40.540
but it's really valuable for the college,

1593
00:44:40.989 --> 00:44:42.389
for the understanding of the college.

1594
00:44:42.429 --> 00:44:46.149
There's a lot of misunderstanding that can be competition.

1595
00:44:46.889 --> 00:44:47.290
Um,

1596
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.399
Rarely does Barrett ever see itself standing

1597
00:44:51.399 --> 00:44:53.330
in competition with any other college.

1598
00:44:53.439 --> 00:44:55.379
They just don't feel that way about us,

1599
00:44:56.080 --> 00:44:56.399
um,

1600
00:44:56.550 --> 00:44:58.439
and we don't feel that way about any college.

1601
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.479
We'll help any college with whatever goals there are

1602
00:45:01.479 --> 00:45:03.580
as long as it's got students in mind,

1603
00:45:04.120 --> 00:45:04.500
um,

1604
00:45:05.479 --> 00:45:06.020
so

1605
00:45:06.590 --> 00:45:07.540
given that platform.

1606
00:45:08.449 --> 00:45:09.750
I think that we could.

1607
00:45:10.520 --> 00:45:12.530
Significantly expand.

1608
00:45:13.540 --> 00:45:16.600
Research and internship opportunities for students with faculty

1609
00:45:16.820 --> 00:45:18.219
because that one on one

1610
00:45:18.459 --> 00:45:19.919
is absolutely critical

1611
00:45:20.580 --> 00:45:22.060
and it should start early,

1612
00:45:22.620 --> 00:45:23.830
not necessarily as freshmen,

1613
00:45:23.899 --> 00:45:24.780
because freshmen

1614
00:45:24.959 --> 00:45:27.100
need to get their feet on the ground sometimes and you know,

1615
00:45:27.179 --> 00:45:27.810
some of them are ready,

1616
00:45:27.860 --> 00:45:28.939
but many of them are not.

1617
00:45:29.659 --> 00:45:30.020
Um,

1618
00:45:30.189 --> 00:45:31.729
but we could expand

1619
00:45:32.550 --> 00:45:34.969
the opportunities for students to reach.

1620
00:45:35.590 --> 00:45:38.020
The other thing that we could do is to,

1621
00:45:38.310 --> 00:45:39.550
if the university were.

1622
00:45:40.830 --> 00:45:42.050
Will need to think this way.

1623
00:45:42.860 --> 00:45:43.870
This is the harder one.

1624
00:45:45.860 --> 00:45:50.379
Our faculty who are so good at teaching small seminars,

1625
00:45:50.750 --> 00:45:51.429
you being one of them.

1626
00:45:53.260 --> 00:45:55.290
They're so so so good at it,

1627
00:45:55.659 --> 00:45:58.020
could teach other faculty at the university.

1628
00:45:58.939 --> 00:46:01.449
We could have workshops here.

1629
00:46:01.739 --> 00:46:02.399
We could

1630
00:46:02.620 --> 00:46:05.239
partner with faculty and other departments to say.

1631
00:46:06.590 --> 00:46:09.330
You want your department to have something that's human event like.

1632
00:46:10.120 --> 00:46:11.500
Let's co-teach

1633
00:46:12.260 --> 00:46:12.270
on

1634
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:14.260
just one class

1635
00:46:14.600 --> 00:46:16.780
to get it started to see how that is

1636
00:46:17.120 --> 00:46:17.820
and then

1637
00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:22.199
let other faculty in the department sit in on it and see how it goes

1638
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:24.360
and see what happens with the students because

1639
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.040
once they see that the students are gonna

1640
00:46:28.040 --> 00:46:30.219
Go from here to here in one semester,

1641
00:46:31.080 --> 00:46:31.360
um,

1642
00:46:31.600 --> 00:46:33.260
they're gonna want their students to be like that,

1643
00:46:33.520 --> 00:46:33.840
right?

1644
00:46:34.080 --> 00:46:36.780
They're gonna want that maturity of thinking to happen

1645
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:38.580
for their students too because it's,

1646
00:46:39.229 --> 00:46:41.139
it's frankly easier to teach people.

1647
00:46:42.189 --> 00:46:42.199
Um,

1648
00:46:43.989 --> 00:46:44.629
but I think that's,

1649
00:46:44.750 --> 00:46:46.169
that's a future

1650
00:46:46.429 --> 00:46:49.090
that we could really make a difference and that's what

1651
00:46:49.469 --> 00:46:50.949
I got the opportunity when I.

1652
00:46:51.870 --> 00:46:52.050
Uh,

1653
00:46:52.149 --> 00:46:55.310
was at the end of being in Barrett in May to meet with Michael Crow.

1654
00:46:56.290 --> 00:46:57.129
And he said,

1655
00:46:57.209 --> 00:46:57.530
what would,

1656
00:46:57.649 --> 00:46:57.810
you know,

1657
00:46:57.929 --> 00:46:58.780
give me some advice.

1658
00:46:58.889 --> 00:46:59.370
And I said,

1659
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:00.870
human event for everybody.

1660
00:47:01.909 --> 00:47:02.169
I love that.

1661
00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:03.750
He said,

1662
00:47:03.830 --> 00:47:04.469
how would you do that?

1663
00:47:04.550 --> 00:47:05.040
I said,

1664
00:47:05.389 --> 00:47:05.669
well,

1665
00:47:06.149 --> 00:47:07.870
I have some ideas if you're ever interested.

1666
00:47:09.219 --> 00:47:09.280
That's great.

1667
00:47:10.669 --> 00:47:10.679
Yeah,

1668
00:47:10.689 --> 00:47:11.330
that's amazing.

1669
00:47:11.409 --> 00:47:11.590
So,

1670
00:47:11.620 --> 00:47:11.850
uh,

1671
00:47:11.889 --> 00:47:12.129
actually,

1672
00:47:12.209 --> 00:47:12.959
I'm going to just,

1673
00:47:12.969 --> 00:47:13.159
uh,

1674
00:47:13.169 --> 00:47:13.719
ping off,

1675
00:47:13.729 --> 00:47:14.080
um,

1676
00:47:14.370 --> 00:47:15.439
what you're talking about the,

1677
00:47:15.489 --> 00:47:18.709
the proposal that you had just before you left.

1678
00:47:18.810 --> 00:47:19.219
Um,

1679
00:47:19.770 --> 00:47:21.729
why do you think it would be important

1680
00:47:21.729 --> 00:47:25.290
for Bret students specifically to learn about,

1681
00:47:25.530 --> 00:47:25.879
say,

1682
00:47:26.090 --> 00:47:29.439
people in Singapore and how they're living their lives and

1683
00:47:29.770 --> 00:47:30.889
then write about it?

1684
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:32.810
Why do I think that

1685
00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:33.679
Yeah,

1686
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:34.340
like what do,

1687
00:47:34.439 --> 00:47:37.939
what do the students then get out of it other than just talking to?

1688
00:47:38.040 --> 00:47:38.129
Well,

1689
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:40.489
there's two important things at least.

1690
00:47:41.860 --> 00:47:43.899
One is for students who are.

1691
00:47:44.810 --> 00:47:45.989
A reticent to travel.

1692
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:47.620
Having

1693
00:47:48.080 --> 00:47:51.199
the opportunity to get to know people who are at a place before

1694
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.629
they go so that there's more comfort in going to that place,

1695
00:47:54.899 --> 00:47:56.620
seeing how people are living by

1696
00:47:57.120 --> 00:47:57.800
Skyping with them,

1697
00:47:57.959 --> 00:47:59.320
seeing how they're living there.

1698
00:48:00.419 --> 00:48:02.399
That's valuable for a lot of students,

1699
00:48:03.379 --> 00:48:03.820
um,

1700
00:48:04.060 --> 00:48:05.060
but secondly.

1701
00:48:06.820 --> 00:48:08.429
Getting to know somebody

1702
00:48:08.850 --> 00:48:10.949
who lives in a different environment

1703
00:48:11.330 --> 00:48:12.070
from your own

1704
00:48:12.770 --> 00:48:15.629
who thinks in a different way from the way you think,

1705
00:48:16.330 --> 00:48:16.639
um,

1706
00:48:16.889 --> 00:48:17.669
and who,

1707
00:48:17.770 --> 00:48:18.189
um,

1708
00:48:18.689 --> 00:48:19.989
lives and works.

1709
00:48:21.080 --> 00:48:24.199
In a different way from you from what you've experienced,

1710
00:48:24.560 --> 00:48:24.959
um.

1711
00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:28.600
Profoundly changes people's lives.

1712
00:48:29.729 --> 00:48:33.110
A lot of students when they go on and travel abroad will come back and say,

1713
00:48:33.330 --> 00:48:33.969
wow,

1714
00:48:34.330 --> 00:48:35.250
that's changed my life.

1715
00:48:35.330 --> 00:48:37.790
I didn't realize this or that.

1716
00:48:39.370 --> 00:48:40.110
I'm thinking

1717
00:48:40.370 --> 00:48:40.919
you came from

1718
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:42.209
Nigeria,

1719
00:48:42.399 --> 00:48:43.110
Zimbabwe

1720
00:48:43.330 --> 00:48:44.580
to the United States.

1721
00:48:45.729 --> 00:48:47.679
Didn't that change your life significantly?

1722
00:48:47.889 --> 00:48:48.370
Absolutely.

1723
00:48:48.489 --> 00:48:50.270
I'm sitting here talking to you.

1724
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:52.820
It's just uh.

1725
00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:54.360
Uh

1726
00:48:54.989 --> 00:48:57.979
There aren't other classroom experiences you,

1727
00:48:58.110 --> 00:48:59.290
you can study,

1728
00:48:59.669 --> 00:49:00.040
um,

1729
00:49:00.149 --> 00:49:02.820
you could take a class on the history and culture of Singapore,

1730
00:49:02.909 --> 00:49:03.149
but.

1731
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.219
It's not the same as actually talking to someone,

1732
00:49:06.439 --> 00:49:07.800
going to where they live and.

1733
00:49:08.830 --> 00:49:10.000
And and that just

1734
00:49:10.149 --> 00:49:11.610
really changes people

1735
00:49:12.070 --> 00:49:13.449
and that kind of change.

1736
00:49:14.540 --> 00:49:16.280
I don't see any downside of that.

1737
00:49:17.139 --> 00:49:18.379
That's gonna change is important,

1738
00:49:18.790 --> 00:49:19.520
absolutely,

1739
00:49:19.709 --> 00:49:20.209
especially.

1740
00:49:21.629 --> 00:49:22.939
I was gonna say especially today,

1741
00:49:22.989 --> 00:49:25.479
but it's always been through my lifetime this has been true.

1742
00:49:26.070 --> 00:49:29.370
People who don't have experiences outside of their

1743
00:49:29.949 --> 00:49:30.709
where they grow up,

1744
00:49:30.850 --> 00:49:31.050
their,

1745
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:32.969
their family and their communities,

1746
00:49:33.350 --> 00:49:33.629
um,

1747
00:49:33.909 --> 00:49:35.360
tend not to

1748
00:49:36.030 --> 00:49:36.250
appreciate.

1749
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.939
The perspectives and challenges of other people

1750
00:49:41.870 --> 00:49:42.649
and we need that.

1751
00:49:43.100 --> 00:49:44.070
We really need that.

1752
00:49:44.580 --> 00:49:44.669
Why,

1753
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:46.719
why do we need that?

1754
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:47.669
Why do we,

1755
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:48.540
uh,

1756
00:49:48.560 --> 00:49:48.989
because,

1757
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:49.379
um.

1758
00:49:53.820 --> 00:49:56.699
When people don't appreciate the perspectives of others.

1759
00:49:57.570 --> 00:49:58.100
They.

1760
00:50:00.010 --> 00:50:00.209
They,

1761
00:50:00.290 --> 00:50:01.300
they lose

1762
00:50:01.530 --> 00:50:02.709
the richness

1763
00:50:03.129 --> 00:50:04.189
that can be

1764
00:50:04.889 --> 00:50:07.669
part of their thinking about whatever their problems are.

1765
00:50:08.810 --> 00:50:09.010
Take,

1766
00:50:09.050 --> 00:50:09.540
um,

1767
00:50:10.010 --> 00:50:10.790
climate change,

1768
00:50:10.850 --> 00:50:11.639
for example.

1769
00:50:11.969 --> 00:50:14.810
If we don't appreciate the experiences of people in

1770
00:50:14.810 --> 00:50:17.350
other parts of the world with respect to.

1771
00:50:18.080 --> 00:50:18.800
Pollution,

1772
00:50:19.050 --> 00:50:19.510
water.

1773
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:21.830
Just a weather

1774
00:50:22.419 --> 00:50:22.429
mhm.

1775
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:23.229
Then,

1776
00:50:24.110 --> 00:50:24.399
um,

1777
00:50:24.449 --> 00:50:26.989
our only ideas about solutions come from our,

1778
00:50:27.300 --> 00:50:28.070
come from here,

1779
00:50:28.290 --> 00:50:30.120
just come from what we experience here in

1780
00:50:30.340 --> 00:50:30.699
Phoenix,

1781
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:31.370
Arizona.

1782
00:50:31.580 --> 00:50:33.000
We are less accommodating

1783
00:50:33.899 --> 00:50:35.560
and less aware

1784
00:50:35.899 --> 00:50:38.729
really of what it is that climate change represents.

1785
00:50:38.899 --> 00:50:40.840
We only know what it represents here,

1786
00:50:41.300 --> 00:50:41.629
um,

1787
00:50:41.820 --> 00:50:45.459
so then our solutions are narrow and less successful.

1788
00:50:47.889 --> 00:50:48.570
Absolutely.

1789
00:50:49.179 --> 00:50:50.179
Absolutely,

1790
00:50:50.659 --> 00:50:51.580
ah so.

1791
00:50:52.560 --> 00:50:55.899
What would you tell someone new or that is considering

1792
00:50:56.090 --> 00:50:57.040
coming to bear it?

1793
00:50:58.179 --> 00:50:58.250
Oh,

1794
00:50:58.330 --> 00:50:58.340
well,

1795
00:50:58.379 --> 00:50:59.560
they couldn't make a better choice.

1796
00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:03.080
Here's,

1797
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:04.959
here's part of what I did

1798
00:51:05.580 --> 00:51:06.620
used to say when I was,

1799
00:51:06.860 --> 00:51:07.060
I,

1800
00:51:07.179 --> 00:51:09.260
I did a lot of recruiting in California

1801
00:51:09.820 --> 00:51:12.260
and I grew up in Northern and Southern California,

1802
00:51:12.580 --> 00:51:13.479
and so I know

1803
00:51:13.899 --> 00:51:14.360
the big

1804
00:51:14.530 --> 00:51:15.899
UC schools very well.

1805
00:51:16.100 --> 00:51:17.260
I grew up in Los Angeles.

1806
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:20.080
I grew up in the Bay and then later in the Bay Area

1807
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.139
near San Francisco.

1808
00:51:21.850 --> 00:51:22.649
I know cow.

1809
00:51:24.969 --> 00:51:25.719
And uh

1810
00:51:26.949 --> 00:51:29.010
There are lots of really great schools,

1811
00:51:29.870 --> 00:51:31.169
great universities,

1812
00:51:31.550 --> 00:51:32.050
just

1813
00:51:32.350 --> 00:51:33.449
phenomenal with.

1814
00:51:34.850 --> 00:51:36.290
Nobel laureates and.

1815
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:38.300
All these famous

1816
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:39.229
people,

1817
00:51:39.560 --> 00:51:41.360
but as an undergraduate student.

1818
00:51:42.629 --> 00:51:43.909
Before you decide to go anywhere,

1819
00:51:43.989 --> 00:51:44.830
you have to say,

1820
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.560
what do I have access to.

1821
00:51:47.389 --> 00:51:48.550
So University of Chicago,

1822
00:51:48.659 --> 00:51:49.110
for example,

1823
00:51:49.229 --> 00:51:49.429
has,

1824
00:51:49.510 --> 00:51:50.370
I don't know how many

1825
00:51:50.750 --> 00:51:51.550
Nobel laureates,

1826
00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:52.370
lots of them,

1827
00:51:53.429 --> 00:51:54.830
and they advertise that

1828
00:51:54.989 --> 00:51:57.350
you want to come to college and be,

1829
00:51:57.510 --> 00:51:57.790
you know,

1830
00:51:57.939 --> 00:51:59.729
chin to job with a Nobel laureate,

1831
00:52:00.229 --> 00:52:01.429
come to University of Chicago.

1832
00:52:01.550 --> 00:52:01.989
Well,

1833
00:52:02.750 --> 00:52:05.270
undergraduates don't work with those Nobel laureates.

1834
00:52:06.439 --> 00:52:08.159
Whereas here in Barrett,

1835
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:09.560
that is exactly what we do,

1836
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.399
we get students in.

1837
00:52:12.370 --> 00:52:16.030
The offices of in the labs of in the classrooms of

1838
00:52:16.250 --> 00:52:18.110
people who are at the very top of their field.

1839
00:52:19.179 --> 00:52:21.870
One of the Nobel laureates here at ASU teaches

1840
00:52:22.050 --> 00:52:23.010
honors courses,

1841
00:52:23.489 --> 00:52:25.000
only honors courses.

1842
00:52:25.330 --> 00:52:25.520
Um,

1843
00:52:25.590 --> 00:52:26.270
he's

1844
00:52:26.649 --> 00:52:27.580
phenomenal,

1845
00:52:27.909 --> 00:52:28.050
um,

1846
00:52:28.129 --> 00:52:28.790
and he

1847
00:52:29.050 --> 00:52:30.370
works really closely with students.

1848
00:52:30.399 --> 00:52:32.570
I think he has 7 honors thesis this year.

1849
00:52:33.429 --> 00:52:33.750
Uh,

1850
00:52:33.870 --> 00:52:35.010
he's an amazing person.

1851
00:52:35.629 --> 00:52:36.949
That wouldn't happen in another place.

1852
00:52:37.070 --> 00:52:38.110
It wouldn't happen in Cal.

1853
00:52:38.189 --> 00:52:39.370
It's a great university,

1854
00:52:39.629 --> 00:52:40.750
but undergraduate students,

1855
00:52:40.820 --> 00:52:42.629
it's not about undergraduate students there.

1856
00:52:43.070 --> 00:52:43.649
It's about.

1857
00:52:44.629 --> 00:52:45.590
Postdocs,

1858
00:52:45.989 --> 00:52:47.110
PhD students,

1859
00:52:47.389 --> 00:52:48.290
and researchers,

1860
00:52:48.830 --> 00:52:49.189
so

1861
00:52:49.469 --> 00:52:50.669
go there when you're a graduate student,

1862
00:52:50.750 --> 00:52:51.979
but don't go there as an undergrad.

1863
00:52:52.070 --> 00:52:54.330
Come to a place like this where you really

1864
00:52:54.669 --> 00:52:58.330
know you have access to all those wonderful things that a big university can offer.

1865
00:52:59.929 --> 00:53:00.770
And um

1866
00:53:01.090 --> 00:53:03.399
where the people have your interest at heart,

1867
00:53:04.429 --> 00:53:04.469
the pod.

1868
00:53:05.780 --> 00:53:06.479
It's true,

1869
00:53:06.649 --> 00:53:07.449
it's true.

1870
00:53:08.429 --> 00:53:08.550
Well,

1871
00:53:08.629 --> 00:53:09.649
that has happened to me,

1872
00:53:09.790 --> 00:53:13.750
so that's why I was asking what you tell another student and it's a,

1873
00:53:13.899 --> 00:53:15.570
it's an enriching experience.

1874
00:53:17.189 --> 00:53:17.310
Good.

1875
00:53:17.389 --> 00:53:18.189
I'm glad it is for you.

1876
00:53:18.590 --> 00:53:19.030
Oh well,

1877
00:53:19.270 --> 00:53:20.110
Doctor Nelson,

1878
00:53:20.270 --> 00:53:23.050
thank you so much for your participation today.

1879
00:53:23.229 --> 00:53:25.060
And if you have any more thoughts,

1880
00:53:25.070 --> 00:53:25.610
um,

1881
00:53:26.149 --> 00:53:26.909
to share later,

1882
00:53:27.070 --> 00:53:28.629
please feel free to reach out.

1883
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:33.929
And if you have any questions about this interview or our 30th anniversary project,

1884
00:53:34.189 --> 00:53:34.929
please contact,

1885
00:53:35.030 --> 00:53:35.310
uh,

1886
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:36.229
Wistein Fruit.

1887
00:53:36.310 --> 00:53:37.830
She was here just a while ago,

1888
00:53:37.949 --> 00:53:39.110
or Rachel Deonna,

1889
00:53:39.229 --> 00:53:39.889
and I

1890
00:53:40.629 --> 00:53:41.790
think that we gave you.

1891
00:53:42.570 --> 00:53:43.620
Details on the,

1892
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:44.050
on the,

1893
00:53:44.090 --> 00:53:44.870
on that form.

1894
00:53:45.370 --> 00:53:45.889
Yes,

1895
00:53:46.290 --> 00:53:47.250
so thank you so much.

1896
00:53:47.330 --> 00:53:47.649
I have,

1897
00:53:47.850 --> 00:53:50.889
it was such a pleasure talking to you so much for coming.

1898
00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:51.530
It was fun.

1899
00:53:51.600 --> 00:53:52.870
I was on the edge of my chair.

1900
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:56.830
Wonderful.

1901
00:53:58.179 --> 00:53:58.830
So.

1902
00:53:59.649 --> 00:53:59.919
Yeah.