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Hello,

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this is Joshua Pardey and Primrose Zenga

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interviewing Doctor

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Jacqueline Scott

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on December 3rd at 10:33 a.m. in the Sage North Hall.

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This interview is part of the Barrett Oral History Project.

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Our goal is to preserve a record of

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Barrett's history in honor of our 30th anniversary.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with us and share your experience.

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It's my pleasure.

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So,

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uh,

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what led you to apply to be a faculty member here at Barrett?

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Um,

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The interdisciplinarity of the teaching opportunities here at

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Barrett is really exactly what I wanted.

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I think I became a professor

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because I love learning and any job I was trained as a business manager,

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and worked in business for 7 years,

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more than 7 years before I came here,

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um,

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but I would find in the past that.

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Any job I,

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I would sort of get it after 6 months and then I was eager to learn more

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this job

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teaching

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the human event and all the other teaching opportunities here,

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you never are there you're there's always,

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always more to learn and.

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And other opportunities when I came here I had

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tenure track job offers from universities around the country,

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but those jobs tend to be

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singular path.

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You have to stay in your area of,

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of research,

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which for me was

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English literature,

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whereas being a Barrett faculty member,

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it's like being able to declare like 10 majors

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at the same time and you can just

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focus in different areas,

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knew

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this was my dream job before I even applied,

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I was working to get the experience

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to be able to apply

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for it.

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So that's why basically the opportunities.

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so how long have you been a faculty member here?

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Since the gold olden ages,

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I actually came

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to Arizona State in 1992

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and I joined Barrett as a faculty member in 2001.

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And so this is my

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18th year

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teaching at Barrett,

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but to put that in perspective,

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when I came to ASU,

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the Tempe campus was called SU Maine.

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ASU West was just getting started,

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um,

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ASU.

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Polytechnic was called

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the East Campus,

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ASU East because everything was like relational to

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Maine and now we don't do that anymore

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and downtown had not even been conceived of yet.

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it was a very,

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different landscape there and when I came to Barrett in 2001.

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ASU was a bit more developed,

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but just to put it into perspective,

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we have

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40 honors faculty fellows now.

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I was the 8th

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to be hired,

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and,

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this beautiful campus that we're on now.

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which were

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buildings like built in the

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maintained in that same way.

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so I've been here a very long time.

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I've seen many changes.

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You mentioned that,

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coming to Barrett was almost a dream come true.

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So how did you get to know about the Honors College?

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I worked when I,

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I knew about Barrett from working with Barrett faculty

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in my previous role,

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and then I became a program manager in the,

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this is where I really knew about Barrett.

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I was a program manager of the Interdisciplinary

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humanities program that existed at that time.

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similar to a Barrett

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interdisciplinary.

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humanities students were getting their degrees in

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a whole combination of subjects and putting those together

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and the teaching was similar except so

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so have you taken human events

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yes and so and have you had human inventor history of ideas

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those are seminars it's

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you have small class sizes

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back the interdisciplinary humanities program taught.

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but to like 300 students at a time.

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and then we'd have small

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breakout groups.

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then began working as a teaching associate when I was getting my PhD.

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that's how I,

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I knew about it.

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It became my dream job because I loved teaching the material,

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but I love teaching seminars where everybody's active

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and sometimes in those lecture classes.

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they can tune out a bit.

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you played a major role in the designing of the Barrett campus here at Tempe,

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including proposing the amphitheater just outside.

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So what were your goals for Barrett's students' academic

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and social life here when designing this complex?

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was the best committee I've ever been on,

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let me just say,

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because we got to.

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it was a 4 year long planning committee and we got to dream

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about ideal for me it was teaching and mentoring spaces I was really

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and then the architects,

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they didn't agree with every everything I said,

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but they,

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they really listened and so

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that was wonderful and so my goals.

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We're really to create space that would

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allow for collaboration because what I find.

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really distinctive about

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Barrett,

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ASU in general and Barrett in particular is that we are

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high achieving people but we're not cutthroat,

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maybe towards Uve,

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but not,

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with each other.

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collaborative and supportive,

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but you need space to enable that.

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a priority for me was to take advantage.

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fall and winter weather and have outdoor teaching spaces.

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the fireplace and the different places where sometimes you'll see outdoor classes

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those were ideas I proposed

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amphitheater itself was because we do study abroads,

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a lot of study abroad programs to Greece and Italy,

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I thought how cool if we could have a little performance space.

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I was based on Epidauros in,

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they're the classrooms are all over the campus.

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it really feels like a living and learning community.

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not just in one little centralized place.

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as a Dean's fellow at Barrett,

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how do you see your current role in its community?

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I'm very fortunate to be a dean's fellow for national scholarship advisement,

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40% of my appointment is

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advising students on nationally competed scholarships

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Fulbright's and Gates Cambridge and you know the ones that are really hard to get,

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but our students do do really well in that,

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liaison between the rest of the Barrett faculty

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and other faculty also outside of Barrett,

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who are mentoring high achieving students and trying to

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help them do the best job that they can do in supporting our students.

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Dean Kyle Max and I.

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who are writing letters of recommendation for students with,

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tips on how to write the most,

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powerful letters of recommendation and how to

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best mentor students because everyone at ASU who's a faculty member wants to

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support their students,

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but they don't necessarily come in

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having the kind of experience that that Dean Mock and I do.

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helping students get the scholarships,

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what's even more important is that they learn the application tips

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I don't know if you you see all those

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thank you notes.

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A lot of those are from students who will say

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to me,

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I have said.

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Uh,

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thank you.

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I'm this,

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this scholarship has changed my life,

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but there,

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there are many of them from students who said,

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even though I didn't get the scholarship and wish I had,

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um,

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I really appreciate

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these application tips that I know I'll be able to apply.

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And one student was like,

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I didn't get this one,

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but I got the next

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3 things that I applied for.

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So

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you know,

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Barrett students apply for a lot of things,

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and,

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um,

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and

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these are.

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It,

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it's a,

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it's a wonderful thing that ASU can do

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to provide for their students.

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I've had students

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because that is not just Barrett students,

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it's ASU students too that we support,

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and I have had

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not ASU students too,

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but we serve the whole population,

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but I've had students say,

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I can't believe that a state university

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is offering me

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this level of support

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on,

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on scholarship,

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um,

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applications,

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so it makes you feel good.

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I was wondering,

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just because this is something that you obviously love,

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uh,

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what are some of the most prestigious,

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um,

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scholarships that you've had,

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like,

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you've advised students and they've gone on to get.

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Um,

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the most prestigious are

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That I,

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I have helped students with Marshalls,

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for instance,

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is one of the most and Gates Cambridge,

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which is one that I work on a lot.

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Gates Cambridge

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is one to Cambridge University,

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um.

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Created by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

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But they are absolutely focused on students not just who

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are excellent and who would get into Cambridge anyway,

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but who are committed to improving the lives of others,

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which is,

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you know,

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a scholarship is an investment

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in people's education with the hopes that they will make society better.

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So

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that one makes a lot of sense.

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So I've helped students with that one,

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but the one that I really love,

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really,

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really love is the Fulbright,

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both

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1st and 2nd,

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for there are 2,

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there are,

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there are 3 in particular that I advise on.

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One is for Fulbright English teaching assistantships.

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That's a graduate,

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uh,

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that one applies for starting your junior year and in the fall of your senior year,

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and then you go for a year to teach somewhere

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abroad,

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um,

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and that one has a tremendous amount of impact.

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So

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I love that,

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but one that's,

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and then the Kille is also Killam is to study in Canada,

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to study abroad,

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but it's also through Fulbright.

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But

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the one that I

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probably am proudest of is the one for

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1st and 2nd year

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undergraduates,

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and that's the Fulbright UK Summer Institute

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scholarships.

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So

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that one.

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We have been once

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when I started as a Dean's fellow,

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that was my first assignment,

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and we've been really

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successful,

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um,

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in on many different

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levels.

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So there are 60 of these scholarships awarded per year

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across the whole nation.

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And they're to study

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at one of 9

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summer institutes in the UK which would include Wales,

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Northern Ireland,

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Scotland,

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and places in England,

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and it's a full ride scholarship for 3 to 4 weeks for,

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for the student,

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and they

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prefer to give them to students who have had

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little opportunity to travel outside the US,

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so it's really a game changer for them.

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So we're proud of those because

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in I'll tell you this is a story we couldn't believe it so

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that we had one person,

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um,

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who had secured it before I started advising and

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the year I started advising to our surprise,

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we got

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4 students get them.

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Um,

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2 students to the same institute,

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which we didn't think would even be possible

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since there's only 3 to 10 people from across the nation

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who get the awards for a particular institute.

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So I thought,

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well,

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this is great,

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it'll never happen again.

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The next year we got 5,

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and I thought,

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oh,

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I can't even believe this,

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but.

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You know that's that in 2016 we had 6 students get this,

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and what that means,

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so that was 10%.

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Of all of the people who got it came from ASU,

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but then

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what's beautiful about that one is because it's

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only for 1st and 2nd year undergraduates,

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the students come back and as as opposed to the graduate ones,

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then they're

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off doing their alumni thing,

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but

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they come back and then they were so happy to be mentored

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that they are very generous in mentoring

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other students and other students hear about it

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and that is what I was saying that I love about.

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The students is that they're collaborative

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students who are applying like with the

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other students would come back from this experience

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and they would they would write me these emails and

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they got back and so many of them when you

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like I would open it would be the

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email would say Doctor Scott exclamation exclamation.

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It's just very funny they're like

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so excited and uh.

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One student was like it was like a fairy tale.

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I just can't even believe it.

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And so then they come and they want to support other students who are

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applying for these scholarships

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and so they have

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very generously would volunteer their time at

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information sessions and I would have group workshops

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where those students wouldn't come in.

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One year I had a write in

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where.

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At one point we had like 14 students who had returned from these

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who are still on campus

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who came in to help students

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like polish up their essays and such.

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It's just

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that is the kind of learning community that I want to be involved in.

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I'm very proud of these students

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and so I'm just,

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when I leave here,

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I'm gonna go do a workshop

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for this particular

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scholarship,

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the Fulbright UK Summer Institute.

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So it's,

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um,

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it's a good one and it gets students.

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From their first year knowing how to apply,

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realizing that

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like last year we had 3 students get it,

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but we had 28 students

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who were named semifinalists,

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so they know even if they didn't get it,

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they know that they are contenders

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and that's just,

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that's phenomenal,

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you know,

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and so the confidence that they will gain in applying for

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other things,

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it'll just grow and grow.

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I'll be quiet,

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but I love that one.

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I'm not supposed to be quiet,

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but.

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So,

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uh,

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you mentioned you were the founder of the Barrett faculty Training Program.

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So could you expand on the reasoning behind its development

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and the value of this training for the faculty?

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So this one,

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the,

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the name of the program is actually the

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Barrett Faculty Mentoring Program for Teaching Excellence.

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And

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I started that in 2005,

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um.

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And so I mentioned I started at Barrett in 2001,

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and when I came to Barrett.

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What I saw,

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I,

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I saw a lot of opportunity,

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that

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opportunity for growth.

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So

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when I came there,

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there were

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8 faculty,

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and they were,

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every single

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faculty member was devoted to student success.

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They were very committed to their students,

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but it was so new then

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that they weren't necessarily

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collaborating amongst each other.

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It was almost actually a little more territorial

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sometimes and so.

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The thing about human event in history of ideas is

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it takes a special person to teach that class.

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You have to be,

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you know,

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it's,

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um,

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it's very challenging because we all have our degrees in different

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areas of disciplinary expertise

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and so an astrophysicist like my wonderful colleague

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Doctor Joseph Foy,

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you know,

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is teaching Confucius.

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And,

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and you know,

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everybody has that.

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It really stretches us as instructors,

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which is one reason that I love it,

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but

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I think it's really important for faculty to support each other.

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So I created it originally

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for anyone,

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not just

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Barrett Honors faculty fellows,

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but any faculty across the university

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who was new to teaching honors courses

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so that they could get support

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because what happens sometimes in.

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Teaching,

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especially at a research university,

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is sometimes people,

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new faculty,

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they don't want to ask for help because it might look like weakness,

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and every faculty member at Barrett is hired

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already based on being teaching experts

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so

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it could be that you don't want to have to ask.

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I wanted to make it so they wouldn't have to ask.

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They would automatically be supported

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and so we created what that program is,

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is

577
00:17:36.939 --> 00:17:40.280
in the first two years for honors faculty fellows

578
00:17:40.859 --> 00:17:41.800
they have assigned.

579
00:17:42.560 --> 00:17:45.260
Senior faculty mentors and they go visit

580
00:17:45.760 --> 00:17:48.719
human event classes and see how because we don't all teach them

581
00:17:48.719 --> 00:17:51.660
the same so they get to see that there's a wide range of

582
00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.319
ways of eliciting classroom discussion and things like that.

583
00:17:55.670 --> 00:17:56.060
Um,

584
00:17:56.189 --> 00:17:57.849
so they get to see a bunch of people

585
00:17:57.989 --> 00:17:58.449
and then

586
00:17:58.630 --> 00:18:01.430
their classes get visited and they get feedback

587
00:18:01.430 --> 00:18:03.949
on their teaching and then we do workshops on

588
00:18:04.069 --> 00:18:06.969
pedagogy because we all love talking about teaching we love it

589
00:18:07.150 --> 00:18:08.810
and so it gives us even

590
00:18:09.069 --> 00:18:11.609
it would it almost got too successful because

591
00:18:11.829 --> 00:18:13.729
it the workshops would be

592
00:18:14.109 --> 00:18:14.849
open

593
00:18:15.310 --> 00:18:15.589
to.

594
00:18:16.060 --> 00:18:16.459
Like the,

595
00:18:16.489 --> 00:18:18.030
the junior faculty had to go

596
00:18:18.140 --> 00:18:19.560
and everybody else could go

597
00:18:19.900 --> 00:18:23.420
and when early on in the program everybody was going

598
00:18:23.420 --> 00:18:25.569
and then the junior faculty had no time to talk about

599
00:18:26.040 --> 00:18:28.760
about their own challenges so we've adapted it over

600
00:18:29.180 --> 00:18:30.099
over the years,

601
00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:30.530
um,

602
00:18:30.540 --> 00:18:30.699
you know,

603
00:18:30.819 --> 00:18:33.459
based on how many new faculty that we had and such

604
00:18:33.739 --> 00:18:35.520
but the basic program is

605
00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:40.520
giving people making sure that people have the resources they need to be successful

606
00:18:41.520 --> 00:18:42.430
and if I may ask uh

607
00:18:43.589 --> 00:18:44.060
why is the.

608
00:18:44.449 --> 00:18:47.109
And why do you think this is such an important course?

609
00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:49.130
Um,

610
00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:52.119
I'll limit my answer to 8 reasons.

611
00:18:53.359 --> 00:18:54.300
The first one,

612
00:18:54.599 --> 00:18:56.199
the first one is that

613
00:18:56.479 --> 00:18:57.699
it's a critical thinking

614
00:18:58.119 --> 00:18:59.099
and writing

615
00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:00.260
and speaking

616
00:19:00.439 --> 00:19:01.060
class.

617
00:19:01.280 --> 00:19:01.699
And

618
00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:02.839
by critical thinking,

619
00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:07.229
we mean just generally examining evidence from multiple perspectives,

620
00:19:07.439 --> 00:19:09.699
and part of that is questioning assumptions.

621
00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:10.780
And so

622
00:19:11.719 --> 00:19:13.339
both for people.

623
00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:18.430
Who are students and people in disciplines and in their professions,

624
00:19:18.439 --> 00:19:18.739
but

625
00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:20.619
especially as citizens

626
00:19:20.969 --> 00:19:22.839
who are critical thinkers who don't

627
00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.619
just automatically go with the way things

628
00:19:25.760 --> 00:19:28.180
have been so in my human event class I just

629
00:19:28.290 --> 00:19:29.660
taught the last class

630
00:19:29.979 --> 00:19:30.680
and

631
00:19:30.959 --> 00:19:32.859
um students listened to a keynote,

632
00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.959
a commencement address by David Foster Wallace called

633
00:19:35.959 --> 00:19:38.479
This Is Water where he was talking about

634
00:19:38.959 --> 00:19:42.719
critical thinking and the value of a liberal arts education really is about.

635
00:19:43.130 --> 00:19:43.579
Um,

636
00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:44.540
making,

637
00:19:44.939 --> 00:19:47.280
making sure people know that they have a choice in

638
00:19:47.420 --> 00:19:48.380
how they think

639
00:19:48.660 --> 00:19:49.410
and that

640
00:19:49.619 --> 00:19:52.719
and to pause and not just let your decisions be

641
00:19:52.900 --> 00:19:56.619
based on a default setting but to really question assumptions

642
00:19:56.819 --> 00:19:59.359
and to do that you can't do that on your own,

643
00:19:59.660 --> 00:19:59.810
uh,

644
00:19:59.849 --> 00:20:02.959
you need the help of people who are coming from a diverse

645
00:20:03.339 --> 00:20:05.880
uh array of perspectives so that you

646
00:20:06.260 --> 00:20:07.699
really can know.

647
00:20:08.152 --> 00:20:09.373
That you're making the best

648
00:20:10.113 --> 00:20:10.873
decision for yourself.

649
00:20:10.993 --> 00:20:11.253
So,

650
00:20:11.593 --> 00:20:11.942
um,

651
00:20:12.093 --> 00:20:12.703
my boss,

652
00:20:12.792 --> 00:20:13.272
uh,

653
00:20:13.392 --> 00:20:14.412
Dean Mark Jacobs

654
00:20:14.713 --> 00:20:15.552
likes to,

655
00:20:15.682 --> 00:20:16.542
he for a long time,

656
00:20:16.593 --> 00:20:16.743
I,

657
00:20:16.833 --> 00:20:17.873
I think he probably still does,

658
00:20:17.912 --> 00:20:19.772
he talks about the human event as

659
00:20:20.233 --> 00:20:21.762
great ideas humans have

660
00:20:21.873 --> 00:20:23.172
had throughout history,

661
00:20:23.392 --> 00:20:26.833
but I also like to teach really bad ideas

662
00:20:27.113 --> 00:20:28.613
that humans have had

663
00:20:29.152 --> 00:20:29.743
and,

664
00:20:29.912 --> 00:20:32.133
and that other business and there's no.

665
00:20:32.686 --> 00:20:34.166
Shame in having a bad idea,

666
00:20:34.245 --> 00:20:34.546
but

667
00:20:34.725 --> 00:20:37.186
what's bad is if people don't speak up

668
00:20:37.326 --> 00:20:37.906
and say,

669
00:20:38.406 --> 00:20:40.926
let's think about this from a few other perspectives.

670
00:20:41.005 --> 00:20:43.265
They need to be confident enough

671
00:20:43.885 --> 00:20:46.265
to speak up when decisions are being made

672
00:20:46.566 --> 00:20:47.265
and

673
00:20:47.515 --> 00:20:48.515
decision makers have to listen,

674
00:20:48.526 --> 00:20:50.586
and that's another value of human event

675
00:20:50.806 --> 00:20:51.526
is that

676
00:20:51.845 --> 00:20:53.806
practicing critical discussion

677
00:20:54.046 --> 00:20:54.836
and sort of,

678
00:20:55.086 --> 00:20:55.436
uh,

679
00:20:55.446 --> 00:20:55.865
that

680
00:20:55.995 --> 00:20:57.225
18 person.

681
00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:59.280
18 to 21 person

682
00:20:59.760 --> 00:21:04.079
seminar format where everyone is speaking and sharing their ideas

683
00:21:04.579 --> 00:21:06.689
because it if you don't practice that

684
00:21:06.959 --> 00:21:09.420
early on they're gonna get in their professions

685
00:21:09.420 --> 00:21:11.979
and people are gonna try to make terrible decisions

686
00:21:12.300 --> 00:21:13.979
they have to feel that they can

687
00:21:14.459 --> 00:21:15.560
speak out that's

688
00:21:16.099 --> 00:21:19.300
that's just two of the reasons of so many reasons about human events.

689
00:21:19.339 --> 00:21:20.839
The writing is huge,

690
00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:21.739
um.

691
00:21:22.239 --> 00:21:24.400
We wish ultimately I think that everyone,

692
00:21:24.479 --> 00:21:26.079
every student at ASU

693
00:21:26.520 --> 00:21:27.760
could have the human event,

694
00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:28.890
but it is,

695
00:21:29.030 --> 00:21:32.420
it takes a lot of instructor energy to give the customized

696
00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.359
writing feedback and and speaking feedback.

697
00:21:35.520 --> 00:21:35.939
So

698
00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:36.949
I think it's,

699
00:21:37.239 --> 00:21:39.660
I'll just end with that question with saying

700
00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:42.400
faculty across the university say.

701
00:21:42.510 --> 00:21:46.329
To me all the time that they love having Barrett students

702
00:21:46.630 --> 00:21:50.130
in their classes because they raise the bar for other students because

703
00:21:50.390 --> 00:21:52.530
we get students their first semester

704
00:21:52.989 --> 00:21:54.030
at ASU

705
00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:54.930
and

706
00:21:55.050 --> 00:21:57.270
and teach them the joy of learning in

707
00:21:57.270 --> 00:22:00.199
the community which is like not just that passive

708
00:22:00.430 --> 00:22:02.829
I'm gonna do what I need to do for the grade but really.

709
00:22:02.939 --> 00:22:05.130
Being challenged to have done your homework,

710
00:22:05.260 --> 00:22:07.329
which is sometimes epically long as you know,

711
00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:08.079
and,

712
00:22:08.219 --> 00:22:10.280
and to contribute your ideas

713
00:22:10.579 --> 00:22:12.839
and so they go out and they

714
00:22:13.300 --> 00:22:16.660
share that love of learning in their classes,

715
00:22:16.939 --> 00:22:17.140
um,

716
00:22:17.219 --> 00:22:19.989
at least so my colleagues across the university tell me

717
00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:23.260
so I think it's really important in helping people learn how to learn.

718
00:22:24.739 --> 00:22:25.069
Um,

719
00:22:25.189 --> 00:22:29.979
you mentioned that each professor can customize their human event classes.

720
00:22:30.390 --> 00:22:34.689
So how have you been able to apply your experience and education to your sections?

721
00:22:34.989 --> 00:22:35.410
Um.

722
00:22:39.030 --> 00:22:39.310
Well,

723
00:22:39.469 --> 00:22:39.930
so,

724
00:22:40.270 --> 00:22:40.829
as I mentioned,

725
00:22:40.910 --> 00:22:42.500
I'm sort of always learning,

726
00:22:42.589 --> 00:22:45.000
but that doesn't mean that I read in every field.

727
00:22:45.109 --> 00:22:45.670
So what I,

728
00:22:45.790 --> 00:22:47.770
what's very cool about,

729
00:22:47.949 --> 00:22:49.589
so I don't just teach human events,

730
00:22:49.670 --> 00:22:50.449
so I also.

731
00:22:50.930 --> 00:22:53.130
Teach study abroad classes and

732
00:22:53.619 --> 00:22:58.329
teach special when when I'm not a dean's fellow I speak teach special topics courses

733
00:22:58.569 --> 00:23:00.630
here and I've been able to do that

734
00:23:00.930 --> 00:23:01.979
um I've

735
00:23:02.449 --> 00:23:04.209
so there are a lot on my CV,

736
00:23:04.369 --> 00:23:06.030
uh you know from all over the place

737
00:23:06.260 --> 00:23:07.069
and so

738
00:23:07.449 --> 00:23:09.130
my expertise in

739
00:23:09.449 --> 00:23:12.790
literature because my PhD is in Irish and African American.

740
00:23:13.133 --> 00:23:14.572
Modern literature

741
00:23:14.892 --> 00:23:18.133
I've been able to bring into of course my human event classes,

742
00:23:18.213 --> 00:23:18.853
but then I

743
00:23:19.052 --> 00:23:20.993
have developed classes such as

744
00:23:21.412 --> 00:23:25.772
um special topics classes that are upper divisions such as race writing indiffer

745
00:23:26.463 --> 00:23:27.003
um

746
00:23:27.213 --> 00:23:29.973
Inventing Ireland so they they're about culture

747
00:23:29.973 --> 00:23:33.052
and identity you know through written expression

748
00:23:33.412 --> 00:23:34.113
basically

749
00:23:34.253 --> 00:23:35.453
but then because.

750
00:23:35.536 --> 00:23:37.095
Much of my career is devoted to teaching.

751
00:23:37.176 --> 00:23:39.836
I was able to create a special topics course on

752
00:23:40.015 --> 00:23:41.105
teaching excellence,

753
00:23:41.296 --> 00:23:43.796
which was for students who are not education majors

754
00:23:44.015 --> 00:23:46.456
but who think they might want to teach at some point,

755
00:23:46.656 --> 00:23:48.215
and that was a fun class because it can

756
00:23:48.215 --> 00:23:50.645
bring in people from all over the university to,

757
00:23:51.095 --> 00:23:51.576
to

758
00:23:51.936 --> 00:23:52.765
share their ideas.

759
00:23:52.895 --> 00:23:54.345
But one thing that I've really,

760
00:23:54.456 --> 00:23:57.475
I've moved very much in the direction of creative nonfiction,

761
00:23:58.296 --> 00:23:58.715
um,

762
00:23:58.745 --> 00:24:02.056
for a class called Writing About Self in Place which I teach on study abroad,

763
00:24:02.135 --> 00:24:03.215
but I also teach it.

764
00:24:03.689 --> 00:24:04.040
At

765
00:24:04.219 --> 00:24:05.479
ASU and so

766
00:24:05.619 --> 00:24:08.150
it's sort of like travel writing but not

767
00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:09.420
not like

768
00:24:09.739 --> 00:24:12.119
Rick Steve's guide to Paris it's

769
00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:13.239
stories,

770
00:24:13.459 --> 00:24:14.780
stories that students have

771
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:17.719
you can actually see if you look around you back there do you see the

772
00:24:17.939 --> 00:24:21.000
Discovery Greece Italy Self book on the

773
00:24:21.339 --> 00:24:22.520
shelf right back there,

774
00:24:22.540 --> 00:24:22.920
um,

775
00:24:23.219 --> 00:24:23.739
and

776
00:24:23.939 --> 00:24:26.459
you see books that students have made like from

777
00:24:26.459 --> 00:24:29.630
their travel writing experience and they're basically their,

778
00:24:29.979 --> 00:24:31.140
their storytelling,

779
00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:31.989
um.

780
00:24:32.689 --> 00:24:33.560
And so

781
00:24:34.050 --> 00:24:35.949
I'll be reading creative nonfiction

782
00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:37.849
and I and then I'll think.

783
00:24:38.729 --> 00:24:39.380
Well,

784
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:40.040
when I was,

785
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:42.430
I taught downtown on the downtown campus,

786
00:24:42.760 --> 00:24:42.880
um,

787
00:24:42.959 --> 00:24:45.239
from 2014 to 2017,

788
00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:47.410
and there was a new sports journalism major,

789
00:24:47.719 --> 00:24:48.280
and

790
00:24:48.439 --> 00:24:50.739
I was creative nonfiction would also be

791
00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:52.829
nonfiction books about sports,

792
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:54.699
and I'm like I'm gonna create a class for them

793
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.500
because it was a new major and they needed more classes and so

794
00:24:58.760 --> 00:25:01.920
that works and and then in doing my research for that class I'm like.

795
00:25:02.510 --> 00:25:06.189
The Blind Side by Michael Lewis would work very well in my human event class,

796
00:25:06.390 --> 00:25:07.280
so that came into there,

797
00:25:07.390 --> 00:25:08.729
so it all feeds into each other,

798
00:25:09.069 --> 00:25:09.810
but I'll just tell you,

799
00:25:09.829 --> 00:25:10.189
Joshua,

800
00:25:10.229 --> 00:25:11.810
that one of the best things

801
00:25:12.030 --> 00:25:14.170
is not just putting my own disciplinary

802
00:25:14.469 --> 00:25:16.030
expertise into my classes,

803
00:25:16.229 --> 00:25:17.619
but learning from my colleagues.

804
00:25:17.910 --> 00:25:19.849
So that mentoring program that we

805
00:25:20.229 --> 00:25:21.250
that I was talking about.

806
00:25:21.410 --> 00:25:23.589
Means that I have visited classes

807
00:25:23.810 --> 00:25:24.989
from people who have

808
00:25:25.369 --> 00:25:26.010
degrees in

809
00:25:26.209 --> 00:25:27.810
in the natural sciences,

810
00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:28.939
social sciences,

811
00:25:29.170 --> 00:25:30.130
humanities,

812
00:25:30.530 --> 00:25:31.040
fine arts,

813
00:25:31.089 --> 00:25:33.589
all different things and we learn from each other

814
00:25:33.810 --> 00:25:35.489
through visiting each other's classes

815
00:25:35.729 --> 00:25:36.459
so I have

816
00:25:36.569 --> 00:25:39.069
what I think is a really fun class

817
00:25:39.369 --> 00:25:40.150
on Darwin.

818
00:25:41.239 --> 00:25:43.390
Charles Darwin in my human event class,

819
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:44.260
but I

820
00:25:44.560 --> 00:25:46.260
learned a lot of the

821
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.439
strategies for teaching that class by visiting one of my colleagues' classes

822
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:51.280
and

823
00:25:51.520 --> 00:25:52.040
so,

824
00:25:52.239 --> 00:25:52.739
um,

825
00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:55.180
a lot of the things that are actually on my syllabus

826
00:25:55.439 --> 00:25:57.819
were because I heard one of my colleagues were doing it.

827
00:25:58.030 --> 00:26:01.849
I visited the class and then I did the research to bring it to my own class

828
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.079
and that is a

829
00:26:03.439 --> 00:26:06.380
joy of teaching at Barrett is that.

830
00:26:07.109 --> 00:26:07.119
Uh,

831
00:26:07.949 --> 00:26:09.130
the people who I

832
00:26:10.020 --> 00:26:10.459
Uh,

833
00:26:10.699 --> 00:26:12.520
talk with every day are not

834
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:13.839
in my same field.

835
00:26:14.060 --> 00:26:14.979
They're in different fields,

836
00:26:15.060 --> 00:26:16.520
so I'm constantly learning

837
00:26:16.650 --> 00:26:17.979
and being able to bring that

838
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.180
into my classroom.

839
00:26:19.339 --> 00:26:20.739
Eventually it becomes an expertise.

840
00:26:20.939 --> 00:26:23.140
In the beginning I just say let's try this.

841
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:24.750
Uh

842
00:26:25.619 --> 00:26:25.979
Uh,

843
00:26:26.180 --> 00:26:31.439
so you mentioned that writing and learning how to express your ideas through,

844
00:26:31.699 --> 00:26:31.949
uh,

845
00:26:32.099 --> 00:26:33.400
written language is one of the main,

846
00:26:33.939 --> 00:26:34.290
uh,

847
00:26:34.300 --> 00:26:35.790
parts of the Human event.

848
00:26:36.489 --> 00:26:36.500
Uh,

849
00:26:36.619 --> 00:26:39.729
and you were also involved in the founding of the Barrett Writing Center,

850
00:26:39.780 --> 00:26:42.459
which is one of the most popular and impactful resources

851
00:26:42.780 --> 00:26:45.369
available for our students in the Human event and other classes here.

852
00:26:45.780 --> 00:26:46.040
So,

853
00:26:46.060 --> 00:26:49.579
how do you develop new ideas like this to enhance the Barrett experience?

854
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:53.150
So I thank you for saying that it's impactful.

855
00:26:53.199 --> 00:26:54.239
I'm glad to know that.

856
00:26:54.479 --> 00:26:55.020
So

857
00:26:55.439 --> 00:26:57.079
the thing that I just,

858
00:26:57.239 --> 00:26:59.780
I just look around and

859
00:27:00.609 --> 00:27:01.079
sort of say,

860
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:02.140
what if we

861
00:27:03.310 --> 00:27:04.189
and then.

862
00:27:04.949 --> 00:27:07.430
Always things are like let's create a pilot program.

863
00:27:07.469 --> 00:27:08.849
Then it's not too much pressure,

864
00:27:09.069 --> 00:27:11.339
you know you're gonna evaluate it at the end of the year.

865
00:27:11.630 --> 00:27:14.199
The way that the Barrett Writing Center came about was

866
00:27:14.579 --> 00:27:17.920
from my very when I joined the Barrett faculty in 2001,

867
00:27:18.030 --> 00:27:19.609
so I'm the most junior person.

868
00:27:19.910 --> 00:27:23.770
I didn't have as much to do as the other people because I was brand new

869
00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:25.930
and a number of the faculty were saying.

870
00:27:26.609 --> 00:27:29.410
They really wish we have a challenging curriculum as you know

871
00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:33.310
we're trying to cover human thought and expression from antiquity to

872
00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:35.150
to modern times

873
00:27:35.650 --> 00:27:38.790
to 2000 now and um

874
00:27:39.449 --> 00:27:43.109
but still really challenge the way students think about writing

875
00:27:43.109 --> 00:27:46.890
and just digress for a moment to say the reason is

876
00:27:47.199 --> 00:27:49.410
when students come in they've been trained to teach

877
00:27:49.410 --> 00:27:51.589
a certain way or to write a certain way.

878
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:53.010
And that writing,

879
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.670
that training was to prepare them to get here,

880
00:27:55.959 --> 00:27:58.420
so it was to write really good 5 paragraph

881
00:27:58.540 --> 00:27:59.260
essays

882
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:00.130
on their

883
00:28:00.310 --> 00:28:02.709
SAT written component or what,

884
00:28:02.719 --> 00:28:02.880
you know,

885
00:28:02.959 --> 00:28:03.229
it's,

886
00:28:03.280 --> 00:28:05.020
it's like the timed writing,

887
00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:08.170
but that is not the kind of writing most people do in their disciplines

888
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:09.839
and so we changed the.

889
00:28:10.390 --> 00:28:11.939
The rules and

890
00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:15.359
really up the bar and then that's very challenging for students.

891
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.459
So we wanted more of a resource.

892
00:28:17.589 --> 00:28:18.260
Also,

893
00:28:18.560 --> 00:28:21.319
the faculty are very available like so we try to

894
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:24.060
train students on writing in class to the degree we can

895
00:28:24.439 --> 00:28:25.239
be available for.

896
00:28:25.474 --> 00:28:25.974
Office hours

897
00:28:26.334 --> 00:28:27.584
but you probably know

898
00:28:27.935 --> 00:28:30.974
students aren't writing their essays when faculty are available

899
00:28:30.974 --> 00:28:33.734
between 8 and 5 p.m. They're writing on weekends.

900
00:28:33.814 --> 00:28:35.214
They're writing at night

901
00:28:35.375 --> 00:28:38.155
and you don't want your you don't wanna talk to your faculty member at midnight.

902
00:28:38.214 --> 00:28:38.755
So,

903
00:28:39.295 --> 00:28:39.795
so,

904
00:28:39.814 --> 00:28:40.314
um.

905
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.060
So there was a grant opportunity

906
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:46.619
by the Arizona Board of Regents for learner centered

907
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:48.540
education and so I was able to write a

908
00:28:48.819 --> 00:28:49.719
proposal,

909
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:52.900
not even really expect I thought let's just try this,

910
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.469
um,

911
00:28:53.479 --> 00:28:56.119
and it was one of the three proposals,

912
00:28:56.439 --> 00:28:56.790
um,

913
00:28:56.800 --> 00:28:59.560
that got funded at ASU to create a writing center

914
00:28:59.800 --> 00:29:00.880
based on Learner Center.

915
00:29:01.199 --> 00:29:01.680
Um,

916
00:29:02.270 --> 00:29:03.180
education principles

917
00:29:03.479 --> 00:29:07.660
and so probably that that worked and then we tried it for a year

918
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.329
had a great team of tutors they were so wonderful

919
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.099
and they gave me a lot of feedback and we just kept,

920
00:29:13.280 --> 00:29:13.479
you know,

921
00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:16.140
revising it and we continue to do that

922
00:29:16.439 --> 00:29:18.060
so I'm happy that it has

923
00:29:18.520 --> 00:29:20.060
stayed and then

924
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:21.079
um.

925
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.660
Probably that gave me the confidence to keep

926
00:29:25.439 --> 00:29:26.619
trying new things and,

927
00:29:26.650 --> 00:29:27.459
and

928
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:30.560
even like the mentoring program like what if we did this

929
00:29:30.800 --> 00:29:32.760
and so it's we're fortunate

930
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:33.939
it is to

931
00:29:34.290 --> 00:29:36.439
to be so focused on innovation so this

932
00:29:36.439 --> 00:29:39.020
is a university that supports that they don't all

933
00:29:39.250 --> 00:29:42.219
and um we're fortunate Barrett to have the funding

934
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:46.430
to be able to say let's try a global classroom and

935
00:29:46.760 --> 00:29:47.420
such so

936
00:29:47.630 --> 00:29:49.319
but basically I just say what if.

937
00:29:50.180 --> 00:29:50.489
And,

938
00:29:50.569 --> 00:29:50.829
uh,

939
00:29:50.849 --> 00:29:51.410
if I may ask,

940
00:29:51.449 --> 00:29:53.300
what year was that when you got the,

941
00:29:53.329 --> 00:29:53.520
the,

942
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:54.469
the grant?

943
00:29:54.729 --> 00:29:55.530
2002.

944
00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:56.739
So that was my,

945
00:29:56.890 --> 00:29:59.310
in the spring of my first year I got the grant,

946
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.069
and then it opened in the fall of 2002.

947
00:30:03.010 --> 00:30:05.550
So we are estimating that it has served,

948
00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:06.770
um,

949
00:30:06.890 --> 00:30:09.130
12,000 students since then.

950
00:30:11.699 --> 00:30:11.939
So,

951
00:30:12.020 --> 00:30:12.209
uh,

952
00:30:12.260 --> 00:30:13.930
you mentioned that you were,

953
00:30:14.180 --> 00:30:17.290
or you are a very strong advocate for study abroad experiences,

954
00:30:17.300 --> 00:30:20.180
and you've taught abroad as an as an instructor.

955
00:30:20.540 --> 00:30:22.000
So could you share a couple of

956
00:30:22.260 --> 00:30:24.780
the most memorable experiences that you had as

957
00:30:24.780 --> 00:30:26.770
an instructor on these study abroad programs?

958
00:30:27.290 --> 00:30:28.969
I will try.

959
00:30:29.209 --> 00:30:30.209
There's so many,

960
00:30:30.489 --> 00:30:30.810
but,

961
00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:31.079
um,

962
00:30:31.209 --> 00:30:31.599
uh,

963
00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:33.150
one that happened recently,

964
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.680
so I've taught 11 Barrett study abroads,

965
00:30:37.010 --> 00:30:37.400
um,

966
00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:38.869
to places like

967
00:30:39.250 --> 00:30:39.449
London,

968
00:30:39.560 --> 00:30:39.810
Dublin,

969
00:30:39.930 --> 00:30:40.609
Edinburgh,

970
00:30:40.849 --> 00:30:42.170
Paris in the Loire Valley,

971
00:30:42.530 --> 00:30:43.430
Greece and Italy,

972
00:30:44.130 --> 00:30:44.390
uh,

973
00:30:44.410 --> 00:30:45.050
Paris and Berlin,

974
00:30:45.130 --> 00:30:45.410
you see,

975
00:30:45.449 --> 00:30:45.890
like I,

976
00:30:45.969 --> 00:30:47.569
I focus more in Europe,

977
00:30:47.689 --> 00:30:48.089
um.

978
00:30:48.739 --> 00:30:51.579
And most recently to Prague

979
00:30:53.910 --> 00:30:55.390
and so our spirit we wanted to.

980
00:30:55.959 --> 00:30:56.540
Um,

981
00:30:56.650 --> 00:30:58.339
make study abroad accessible

982
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.199
also for students who didn't either have the time

983
00:31:02.199 --> 00:31:04.199
or the resources for a summer study abroad,

984
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:05.819
so we created last year

985
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:06.780
the,

986
00:31:06.800 --> 00:31:07.180
um,

987
00:31:07.199 --> 00:31:08.069
global intensive,

988
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:10.619
and the one to Prague was the first one and so

989
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.439
took 18 students to Prague and my goals for

990
00:31:13.439 --> 00:31:16.859
study abroad and what leads to the most memorable

991
00:31:17.229 --> 00:31:17.979
stories,

992
00:31:18.199 --> 00:31:18.520
um.

993
00:31:19.280 --> 00:31:21.739
Our cultural immersion and so not just

994
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.459
uh a group of Americans hanging out with each other and saying

995
00:31:26.760 --> 00:31:31.260
taking selfies in front of the Acropolis for example but really engaging

996
00:31:31.479 --> 00:31:33.939
with locals and trying to learn a bit about their.

997
00:31:34.234 --> 00:31:34.714
Um,

998
00:31:34.834 --> 00:31:36.015
their lives really

999
00:31:36.275 --> 00:31:37.454
and so,

1000
00:31:37.834 --> 00:31:38.175
um,

1001
00:31:38.194 --> 00:31:40.964
my very favorite one was when we went to Prague.

1002
00:31:41.234 --> 00:31:42.675
I always do a cooking class.

1003
00:31:42.814 --> 00:31:42.824
My,

1004
00:31:42.834 --> 00:31:45.474
my class writing about self in place is cultural immersion

1005
00:31:45.474 --> 00:31:48.255
and then writing about it in those creative nonfiction stories

1006
00:31:48.555 --> 00:31:49.334
and so

1007
00:31:49.795 --> 00:31:53.375
we arranged for a cooking class where we made,

1008
00:31:53.714 --> 00:31:54.224
um.

1009
00:31:55.150 --> 00:31:55.760
Uh,

1010
00:31:56.280 --> 00:31:56.819
Czech

1011
00:31:57.079 --> 00:31:59.160
staples such as strudel

1012
00:31:59.439 --> 00:32:00.150
and,

1013
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:00.640
um,

1014
00:32:00.959 --> 00:32:04.680
and we made mac and cheese for because

1015
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.369
it wasn't just my students taking the cooking class

1016
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.540
we they brought in about

1017
00:32:09.770 --> 00:32:10.400
10,

1018
00:32:10.439 --> 00:32:11.099
um,

1019
00:32:11.510 --> 00:32:15.239
elementary age students from a shelter for displaced families,

1020
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:16.189
um.

1021
00:32:16.329 --> 00:32:17.750
And so these,

1022
00:32:17.890 --> 00:32:20.400
these kids were excited just to come into central Prague.

1023
00:32:20.449 --> 00:32:22.130
That was a good excursion for them and

1024
00:32:22.130 --> 00:32:24.560
then they met all these Americans and got invaded

1025
00:32:24.750 --> 00:32:24.969
and,

1026
00:32:25.010 --> 00:32:26.310
and we cooked together

1027
00:32:26.569 --> 00:32:28.420
so they helped us prepare

1028
00:32:28.650 --> 00:32:30.670
as we were learning how to make the Czech food

1029
00:32:30.969 --> 00:32:32.930
and then we made mac and cheese for them so

1030
00:32:32.930 --> 00:32:34.609
that they would know because people hear about it,

1031
00:32:34.650 --> 00:32:36.089
but they don't actually know what it is,

1032
00:32:36.170 --> 00:32:36.729
you know?

1033
00:32:37.250 --> 00:32:38.790
And so we had

1034
00:32:39.089 --> 00:32:42.030
one little elementary age student per,

1035
00:32:42.489 --> 00:32:42.699
per,

1036
00:32:42.810 --> 00:32:43.209
um.

1037
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:44.699
Two

1038
00:32:45.439 --> 00:32:47.550
of the 18 students uh in,

1039
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:48.089
in,

1040
00:32:48.199 --> 00:32:48.719
uh,

1041
00:32:48.959 --> 00:32:49.160
sorry,

1042
00:32:49.239 --> 00:32:49.930
who went to Prague,

1043
00:32:50.239 --> 00:32:50.979
Sun Devils,

1044
00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:52.609
and they would cook together

1045
00:32:52.719 --> 00:32:54.560
and those students didn't speak English

1046
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:59.540
so it was all sign language and such and that it was just so beautiful

1047
00:32:59.719 --> 00:33:01.339
but while we were waiting for

1048
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.180
the dessert to cook.

1049
00:33:03.989 --> 00:33:04.000
We,

1050
00:33:04.670 --> 00:33:08.349
we sort of had a sing-off in which they sang for us.

1051
00:33:08.469 --> 00:33:09.550
The children sang,

1052
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:10.229
um,

1053
00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:10.589
a,

1054
00:33:10.709 --> 00:33:11.890
a song from

1055
00:33:12.030 --> 00:33:12.880
their culture,

1056
00:33:13.229 --> 00:33:16.030
and then our Barrett Sun Devils responded with a

1057
00:33:16.030 --> 00:33:19.410
really beautiful version of Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

1058
00:33:19.750 --> 00:33:21.540
It was like they had beautiful voices,

1059
00:33:21.670 --> 00:33:22.359
and then the,

1060
00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:22.979
the,

1061
00:33:23.109 --> 00:33:27.170
the children sang back and then we sang back and it was just like one of those

1062
00:33:27.390 --> 00:33:29.969
beautiful moments and some of the students were hugging.

1063
00:33:30.569 --> 00:33:33.079
Our Barrett students so much before and once said,

1064
00:33:33.089 --> 00:33:34.689
I'm not gonna let you go and

1065
00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:35.729
it was translated,

1066
00:33:35.810 --> 00:33:36.449
she said it in,

1067
00:33:36.520 --> 00:33:36.839
you know,

1068
00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:37.420
in Czech,

1069
00:33:37.729 --> 00:33:38.099
so

1070
00:33:38.410 --> 00:33:38.969
that

1071
00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:40.829
those sort of moments are

1072
00:33:41.250 --> 00:33:41.609
amazing.

1073
00:33:41.650 --> 00:33:44.849
A lot of for me a lot like food is very important to culture.

1074
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:45.410
So

1075
00:33:45.849 --> 00:33:46.069
again,

1076
00:33:46.130 --> 00:33:46.790
always,

1077
00:33:47.329 --> 00:33:47.489
you know,

1078
00:33:47.609 --> 00:33:48.290
always the cooking,

1079
00:33:48.329 --> 00:33:48.930
but when you're,

1080
00:33:49.050 --> 00:33:50.189
when you're adding in

1081
00:33:50.410 --> 00:33:50.969
the students,

1082
00:33:51.010 --> 00:33:51.699
it's great.

1083
00:33:51.849 --> 00:33:52.890
Another one I would say,

1084
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:53.260
and I,

1085
00:33:53.410 --> 00:33:54.189
I pointed

1086
00:33:54.410 --> 00:33:55.250
you to it before,

1087
00:33:55.329 --> 00:33:57.130
I'm gonna get a book behind you you just said

1088
00:33:58.050 --> 00:33:58.510
is.

1089
00:34:02.310 --> 00:34:04.849
When you can give someone an opportunity

1090
00:34:05.390 --> 00:34:06.430
to grow,

1091
00:34:06.750 --> 00:34:07.300
um,

1092
00:34:07.349 --> 00:34:09.030
it's amazing and

1093
00:34:09.310 --> 00:34:09.949
this,

1094
00:34:10.310 --> 00:34:10.520
uh,

1095
00:34:10.530 --> 00:34:13.580
portfolio I'm showing you now we had a student

1096
00:34:13.870 --> 00:34:16.889
in 2017 who went to Greece and Italy

1097
00:34:17.310 --> 00:34:19.469
who um was legally blind

1098
00:34:19.750 --> 00:34:22.688
and she would never have thought that a study abroad

1099
00:34:23.340 --> 00:34:25.020
was possible for her,

1100
00:34:25.270 --> 00:34:25.860
um,

1101
00:34:25.870 --> 00:34:26.929
and so

1102
00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:29.050
to be involved in.

1103
00:34:29.655 --> 00:34:34.935
Helping to facilitate such a tremendous she's a philosophy major so she wanted

1104
00:34:34.935 --> 00:34:37.353
to go to Greece so bad and for her to be able to go

1105
00:34:37.735 --> 00:34:38.514
I mean badly,

1106
00:34:38.655 --> 00:34:39.125
um,

1107
00:34:39.695 --> 00:34:43.995
for her to be able to experience the Acropolis through um through

1108
00:34:44.175 --> 00:34:45.813
touch and sense and such

1109
00:34:46.054 --> 00:34:49.915
was really amazing for her and to be able to self navigate through

1110
00:34:50.254 --> 00:34:53.975
the little town of or it's not that town but the city of Naflio.

1111
00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:54.620
Uh,

1112
00:34:54.728 --> 00:34:56.280
on the coast in Greece was

1113
00:34:56.659 --> 00:34:57.310
also amazing,

1114
00:34:57.320 --> 00:34:58.659
and then when she went to Rome she said,

1115
00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.439
I love this city with every fiber of my being.

1116
00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:02.260
It's,

1117
00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:03.929
it's a wonderful thing,

1118
00:35:03.949 --> 00:35:04.370
but

1119
00:35:04.699 --> 00:35:07.439
my experience with that student is memorable because I learned

1120
00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:08.810
just as much from her.

1121
00:35:09.100 --> 00:35:10.479
Like she changed my life

1122
00:35:10.820 --> 00:35:11.020
too,

1123
00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:11.879
and it's when

1124
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:12.810
you're.

1125
00:35:14.169 --> 00:35:14.370
You know,

1126
00:35:14.459 --> 00:35:15.469
as it all comes

1127
00:35:15.689 --> 00:35:16.409
down to learning,

1128
00:35:16.530 --> 00:35:16.770
you know,

1129
00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:18.709
when you're learning and expanding

1130
00:35:19.209 --> 00:35:21.050
your understanding of the world,

1131
00:35:21.290 --> 00:35:23.760
that happens all the time on study abroad,

1132
00:35:23.770 --> 00:35:24.419
and it's,

1133
00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:25.469
it's really wonderful,

1134
00:35:25.570 --> 00:35:26.149
I think.

1135
00:35:29.409 --> 00:35:29.679
So,

1136
00:35:29.810 --> 00:35:30.330
uh,

1137
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.040
this,

1138
00:35:31.169 --> 00:35:34.689
so do you agree that study abroad experiences are

1139
00:35:34.810 --> 00:35:37.449
one of the most valuable things you can do as a Barrett student?

1140
00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:38.870
Absolutely,

1141
00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:39.459
I agree.

1142
00:35:39.510 --> 00:35:39.969
It was

1143
00:35:40.189 --> 00:35:41.100
just based on my,

1144
00:35:41.229 --> 00:35:42.270
my own experience.

1145
00:35:42.350 --> 00:35:43.639
I'm from Detroit

1146
00:35:43.949 --> 00:35:45.070
and I would just say

1147
00:35:45.389 --> 00:35:48.189
just about everyone I grew up with is still there.

1148
00:35:49.030 --> 00:35:49.610
And

1149
00:35:49.830 --> 00:35:51.810
um I mean we went to Canada all the time,

1150
00:35:51.870 --> 00:35:52.040
uh,

1151
00:35:52.629 --> 00:35:54.270
all of us because we lived right on the,

1152
00:35:54.310 --> 00:35:54.810
you know,

1153
00:35:56.300 --> 00:35:57.610
Canada was right across the bridge,

1154
00:35:57.909 --> 00:35:58.840
but for me

1155
00:35:59.110 --> 00:36:01.629
doing my study abroad in Strasbourg,

1156
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.020
which was on the bor it is on the border of,

1157
00:36:04.030 --> 00:36:04.320
uh,

1158
00:36:04.790 --> 00:36:05.840
Germany and France,

1159
00:36:06.070 --> 00:36:07.830
it was so transformative.

1160
00:36:07.949 --> 00:36:08.070
I,

1161
00:36:08.149 --> 00:36:08.709
I mean

1162
00:36:09.229 --> 00:36:11.489
I hear students say that all the time that

1163
00:36:11.909 --> 00:36:13.550
every decision you make.

1164
00:36:13.959 --> 00:36:14.389
It,

1165
00:36:14.439 --> 00:36:17.659
it changes you and sometimes students before they,

1166
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:18.399
they go,

1167
00:36:18.530 --> 00:36:18.979
they're like,

1168
00:36:19.120 --> 00:36:19.919
I'm afraid to change.

1169
00:36:19.959 --> 00:36:21.159
Why would I want to change?

1170
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:21.879
I'm quite happy.

1171
00:36:22.060 --> 00:36:22.659
It's just because

1172
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.100
you just don't know yet

1173
00:36:24.439 --> 00:36:27.129
what you're going to learn and about the

1174
00:36:27.439 --> 00:36:28.830
opportunities and such.

1175
00:36:29.080 --> 00:36:29.939
And also

1176
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:31.780
for a lot of students it's,

1177
00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:32.280
you know,

1178
00:36:32.370 --> 00:36:36.020
you learn about the big world and it can help you.

1179
00:36:37.129 --> 00:36:38.379
Deal with the

1180
00:36:38.820 --> 00:36:40.459
stresses of your,

1181
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:41.189
your,

1182
00:36:41.310 --> 00:36:41.479
you know,

1183
00:36:41.560 --> 00:36:43.229
undergraduate life which are real,

1184
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:43.820
you know,

1185
00:36:44.080 --> 00:36:44.350
um,

1186
00:36:44.479 --> 00:36:48.260
but it gives you a bigger perspective but also the confidence to know

1187
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:49.100
because

1188
00:36:49.439 --> 00:36:50.669
travel is challenging,

1189
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:51.419
it's not

1190
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.459
all singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star,

1191
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:54.879
you know,

1192
00:36:54.939 --> 00:36:55.260
it's,

1193
00:36:55.439 --> 00:36:55.600
it,

1194
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.100
it can be really challenging and to know that

1195
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:01.540
that you can figure things out and be independent,

1196
00:37:01.879 --> 00:37:02.189
um,

1197
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:03.860
even with a group of people

1198
00:37:04.080 --> 00:37:04.959
is.

1199
00:37:05.449 --> 00:37:05.459
It

1200
00:37:06.209 --> 00:37:06.929
is singular.

1201
00:37:07.010 --> 00:37:09.790
It's one of the singular things for students that

1202
00:37:10.050 --> 00:37:11.909
they come back much more

1203
00:37:12.649 --> 00:37:14.250
aware of their own capabilities.

1204
00:37:15.929 --> 00:37:16.250
So,

1205
00:37:16.419 --> 00:37:16.760
uh,

1206
00:37:16.969 --> 00:37:20.530
with Barrett now being the number one honors college in the United States,

1207
00:37:20.889 --> 00:37:21.790
and with,

1208
00:37:21.810 --> 00:37:22.199
uh,

1209
00:37:22.250 --> 00:37:26.030
your participation and involvement with pilot programs,

1210
00:37:26.050 --> 00:37:26.469
and

1211
00:37:26.780 --> 00:37:28.409
the growth of Barrett till now,

1212
00:37:28.689 --> 00:37:30.389
how do you envision Barrett's future,

1213
00:37:30.489 --> 00:37:32.629
both academically and physically,

1214
00:37:33.050 --> 00:37:35.070
such as in campus enhancements and e-buildings?

1215
00:37:35.810 --> 00:37:36.459
I think

1216
00:37:37.689 --> 00:37:38.459
physically,

1217
00:37:38.570 --> 00:37:38.810
well,

1218
00:37:38.929 --> 00:37:41.550
I know that we have plans for some really exciting,

1219
00:37:42.169 --> 00:37:42.610
um.

1220
00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:46.250
New developments such as the,

1221
00:37:46.610 --> 00:37:47.020
the,

1222
00:37:47.030 --> 00:37:47.600
um,

1223
00:37:47.610 --> 00:37:49.739
Lewis Academic Center and,

1224
00:37:50.250 --> 00:37:52.550
and we're going to sort of consolidate

1225
00:37:52.770 --> 00:37:58.110
student services near the Gold Dome and that makes uh you know tremendous amount of

1226
00:37:58.379 --> 00:37:59.469
sense to me um.

1227
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:01.429
So

1228
00:38:01.810 --> 00:38:06.189
the area that I'm more involved in now would be the curricular,

1229
00:38:06.290 --> 00:38:07.229
expanding the

1230
00:38:07.429 --> 00:38:08.850
curriculum and

1231
00:38:09.129 --> 00:38:11.030
so I'm what I believe is.

1232
00:38:12.189 --> 00:38:14.050
I'm a huge fan of

1233
00:38:14.629 --> 00:38:17.020
President Michael Crowe's design imperatives,

1234
00:38:17.149 --> 00:38:17.500
the,

1235
00:38:17.510 --> 00:38:17.979
um,

1236
00:38:17.989 --> 00:38:19.729
8 design imperatives,

1237
00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:20.929
which do you know what they are?

1238
00:38:22.370 --> 00:38:23.250
I do know what they are,

1239
00:38:23.290 --> 00:38:25.679
but I love them so much that these are always here.

1240
00:38:25.729 --> 00:38:26.729
I didn't put them up for you.

1241
00:38:26.810 --> 00:38:26.969
I,

1242
00:38:27.050 --> 00:38:28.550
I keep them like

1243
00:38:28.889 --> 00:38:32.909
in front of me so I always can think about how my work aligns with the university's

1244
00:38:33.050 --> 00:38:33.530
mission.

1245
00:38:33.649 --> 00:38:34.110
So

1246
00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:35.250
for those of you listening,

1247
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:36.669
those design imperatives

1248
00:38:36.810 --> 00:38:38.449
in the 1st 4,

1249
00:38:39.409 --> 00:38:40.550
we already do.

1250
00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:42.370
Really well I think at Barrett,

1251
00:38:42.409 --> 00:38:43.949
which enables student success,

1252
00:38:44.689 --> 00:38:45.250
fuse

1253
00:38:45.449 --> 00:38:47.149
intellectual disciplines,

1254
00:38:47.469 --> 00:38:50.449
leverage our place and engage globally.

1255
00:38:50.850 --> 00:38:51.159
We're,

1256
00:38:51.330 --> 00:38:51.810
we're

1257
00:38:52.350 --> 00:38:53.629
we pursue those

1258
00:38:53.810 --> 00:38:54.649
every minute,

1259
00:38:54.810 --> 00:38:55.090
um,

1260
00:38:55.209 --> 00:38:55.949
all the time

1261
00:38:56.250 --> 00:38:57.620
the four that I,

1262
00:38:57.810 --> 00:38:58.050
I.

1263
00:38:58.139 --> 00:38:59.110
Would want us to

1264
00:38:59.379 --> 00:39:00.760
hope I think that we'll be

1265
00:39:01.020 --> 00:39:04.479
thinking more carefully about and how we can make sure that

1266
00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:05.159
we're

1267
00:39:05.379 --> 00:39:07.879
also creating programs for students that do these things

1268
00:39:08.100 --> 00:39:09.360
be socially embedded

1269
00:39:09.659 --> 00:39:12.560
we have some things we could have more I think

1270
00:39:12.820 --> 00:39:15.479
um because it goes back to what we're talking about like

1271
00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:18.129
work that.

1272
00:39:19.169 --> 00:39:22.629
To have responsible scholar citizens you want people who

1273
00:39:22.629 --> 00:39:25.459
are improving the lives of others who are creating the

1274
00:39:25.790 --> 00:39:28.419
the kind of communities that

1275
00:39:28.750 --> 00:39:31.129
they want to live in that they would be proud to live in

1276
00:39:31.350 --> 00:39:33.129
and so being socially embedded,

1277
00:39:33.139 --> 00:39:33.340
you know,

1278
00:39:33.469 --> 00:39:34.330
comes with that

1279
00:39:34.590 --> 00:39:36.889
conduct youth inspired research so

1280
00:39:37.189 --> 00:39:41.050
not just for the theoretical but how is this ultimately really

1281
00:39:41.370 --> 00:39:42.169
going to help

1282
00:39:42.350 --> 00:39:44.209
people or the planet or

1283
00:39:44.389 --> 00:39:45.129
what have you

1284
00:39:45.429 --> 00:39:47.510
and then value entrepreneurship.

1285
00:39:48.540 --> 00:39:49.260
I love that one.

1286
00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:49.649
In fact,

1287
00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:51.479
and it goes back to the idea of like

1288
00:39:51.699 --> 00:39:52.760
how do you develop new

1289
00:39:53.379 --> 00:39:54.290
ideas is,

1290
00:39:54.419 --> 00:39:56.520
is really thinking about the,

1291
00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:57.729
the what if we,

1292
00:39:57.739 --> 00:40:00.600
and I would love to develop a program

1293
00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:02.439
that supported entrepreneurial

1294
00:40:03.100 --> 00:40:05.500
ideas from students and they don't have to be huge

1295
00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:06.260
like

1296
00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:09.939
they can be a small like you know what if we had a.

1297
00:40:10.919 --> 00:40:11.860
Healthy snack machine.

1298
00:40:11.939 --> 00:40:14.060
I don't have that's a really bad example.

1299
00:40:14.139 --> 00:40:15.260
I should have thought of it ahead of time,

1300
00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:15.820
but you know,

1301
00:40:15.979 --> 00:40:16.250
um,

1302
00:40:16.379 --> 00:40:17.320
it could be

1303
00:40:17.659 --> 00:40:18.790
something small,

1304
00:40:19.100 --> 00:40:20.139
but that improves,

1305
00:40:20.379 --> 00:40:22.320
improves people's daily lives.

1306
00:40:22.590 --> 00:40:22.939
Or it can,

1307
00:40:23.020 --> 00:40:23.179
you know,

1308
00:40:23.229 --> 00:40:23.929
with Barrett's students,

1309
00:40:23.939 --> 00:40:24.939
it could be really big,

1310
00:40:24.979 --> 00:40:27.270
but we have students doing inc incredible things.

1311
00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:28.310
And then the last one,

1312
00:40:28.379 --> 00:40:28.739
of course,

1313
00:40:28.939 --> 00:40:31.760
all of that leads up to transforming society

1314
00:40:32.179 --> 00:40:32.979
and

1315
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:35.229
That's what we're,

1316
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.000
that's what

1317
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.540
that goes back to the human.

1318
00:40:37.689 --> 00:40:39.739
I think that that is the foundation for

1319
00:40:40.040 --> 00:40:41.360
transforming society.

1320
00:40:46.689 --> 00:40:47.280
Um,

1321
00:40:47.570 --> 00:40:49.969
those are all the questions that we have for you today.

1322
00:40:50.129 --> 00:40:50.290
Uh,

1323
00:40:50.409 --> 00:40:52.300
do you have any more thoughts that you'd like to share,

1324
00:40:52.419 --> 00:40:54.610
just in general about your experience of Barrett,

1325
00:40:54.870 --> 00:40:56.209
the study abroad programs,

1326
00:40:56.250 --> 00:40:56.989
or anything else?

1327
00:40:58.229 --> 00:40:58.590
Well,

1328
00:40:58.709 --> 00:40:59.110
I,

1329
00:40:59.310 --> 00:40:59.429
I,

1330
00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:00.070
I just,

1331
00:41:00.189 --> 00:41:00.590
I'll,

1332
00:41:00.709 --> 00:41:01.510
I'll just say no.

1333
00:41:01.620 --> 00:41:05.330
Feel free to come back for a follow up if you wanna like highlight stories,

1334
00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:05.889
uh,

1335
00:41:05.979 --> 00:41:08.129
just because I've been here for so long and,

1336
00:41:08.260 --> 00:41:09.750
and seen so many differences,

1337
00:41:10.070 --> 00:41:10.820
but.

1338
00:41:12.870 --> 00:41:13.189
Yeah,

1339
00:41:13.350 --> 00:41:14.530
I'll just leave it at that.

1340
00:41:15.010 --> 00:41:15.489
I thank you.

1341
00:41:15.830 --> 00:41:16.889
If you don't mind,

1342
00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:17.510
uh.

1343
00:41:18.270 --> 00:41:21.469
I wouldn't mind revisiting one or if you have those

1344
00:41:21.469 --> 00:41:25.370
like engagement how have you seen that working like for you

1345
00:41:26.020 --> 00:41:30.939
and for Bret and for ASU obviously which one the engage student success that one,

1346
00:41:31.350 --> 00:41:33.449
that's the one I think that we think about

1347
00:41:33.709 --> 00:41:34.270
all the time.

1348
00:41:34.389 --> 00:41:36.070
So when you think about student success,

1349
00:41:36.149 --> 00:41:37.725
you can think about it from a Um,

1350
00:41:38.364 --> 00:41:39.794
so many different perspectives,

1351
00:41:39.804 --> 00:41:40.104
and

1352
00:41:40.284 --> 00:41:42.395
I think through your project

1353
00:41:42.665 --> 00:41:43.264
you'll find

1354
00:41:43.764 --> 00:41:44.084
like

1355
00:41:44.475 --> 00:41:47.985
members in student services completely thinking about

1356
00:41:48.405 --> 00:41:50.584
the social lives that students need.

1357
00:41:50.754 --> 00:41:52.004
I don't think about that as much.

1358
00:41:52.044 --> 00:41:53.225
I'm really focused on

1359
00:41:53.524 --> 00:41:54.885
curriculum and such,

1360
00:41:55.245 --> 00:41:55.455
um,

1361
00:41:55.564 --> 00:41:57.145
although as a teacher of course

1362
00:41:57.564 --> 00:42:00.685
I try not to sign homework over big holidays and things like that,

1363
00:42:01.125 --> 00:42:01.504
but,

1364
00:42:01.645 --> 00:42:02.125
um.

1365
00:42:02.969 --> 00:42:03.739
But from,

1366
00:42:04.120 --> 00:42:05.699
from a point of view of

1367
00:42:05.959 --> 00:42:07.379
how they're going to be successful

1368
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.139
in their academic

1369
00:42:09.479 --> 00:42:13.209
and in their academic careers and in their applying

1370
00:42:13.479 --> 00:42:14.320
professional careers,

1371
00:42:14.399 --> 00:42:16.060
which is part of what I do too,

1372
00:42:16.439 --> 00:42:16.959
um,

1373
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:17.959
some things would,

1374
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:21.459
some examples would be how in the classes that we have.

1375
00:42:21.939 --> 00:42:23.120
Do we know

1376
00:42:23.260 --> 00:42:24.280
that students are getting

1377
00:42:24.699 --> 00:42:26.080
the support that they need

1378
00:42:26.300 --> 00:42:27.260
to be successful?

1379
00:42:27.379 --> 00:42:29.060
So the Barrett Writing Center was

1380
00:42:29.419 --> 00:42:30.439
one example,

1381
00:42:30.689 --> 00:42:31.290
um,

1382
00:42:31.580 --> 00:42:32.159
of

1383
00:42:32.580 --> 00:42:33.020
what I've done.

1384
00:42:33.100 --> 00:42:34.040
I created a.

1385
00:42:34.919 --> 00:42:35.350
Uh,

1386
00:42:35.399 --> 00:42:38.739
a series of modules called the Human Event in History Ideas

1387
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:40.879
Learning Project modules,

1388
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.739
and that's because we found out

1389
00:42:43.080 --> 00:42:43.479
that

1390
00:42:43.919 --> 00:42:46.639
students could understand conceptually

1391
00:42:46.959 --> 00:42:51.100
a lot of the principles of argumentative writing such as like a road map.

1392
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.959
They could understand as a concept what that was,

1393
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:55.000
but when they,

1394
00:42:55.560 --> 00:42:59.360
when you go to do that in a in a challenging human event

1395
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:00.659
paper that has

1396
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.780
or history of ideas paper that has like nuanced thoughts.

1397
00:43:04.709 --> 00:43:05.929
That can be really challenging.

1398
00:43:05.979 --> 00:43:07.899
So I create these kind of modules.

1399
00:43:08.020 --> 00:43:09.239
There are 4 of them,

1400
00:43:09.620 --> 00:43:09.929
um,

1401
00:43:10.179 --> 00:43:12.860
one is on textual analysis because that's the

1402
00:43:12.860 --> 00:43:16.100
key is like looking for non-obvious underlying.

1403
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.840
Implications and and such

1404
00:43:19.149 --> 00:43:21.699
so there's textual analysis and then there's

1405
00:43:22.040 --> 00:43:24.679
topic sentences which that is not that is not there

1406
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:27.020
for the writer the topic sentences are there for the

1407
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:28.409
very busy reader

1408
00:43:28.600 --> 00:43:30.139
who needs to know ahead of time

1409
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.639
what claim you're making so that.

1410
00:43:31.764 --> 00:43:33.504
They could evaluate so that's a module

1411
00:43:33.905 --> 00:43:35.804
really explaining the what and the why,

1412
00:43:35.844 --> 00:43:36.645
what not to do,

1413
00:43:36.725 --> 00:43:37.645
what to do

1414
00:43:37.844 --> 00:43:38.495
and such

1415
00:43:38.685 --> 00:43:41.344
and then the next one is on introductions

1416
00:43:41.524 --> 00:43:43.205
which would be all that forecasting and

1417
00:43:43.205 --> 00:43:45.425
then there's academic style which you can learn

1418
00:43:45.645 --> 00:43:46.725
a lot of anywhere but.

1419
00:43:47.889 --> 00:43:48.419
We did that.

1420
00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:51.320
I made that because Doctor Brune and I were talking

1421
00:43:51.979 --> 00:43:54.300
about how our students would understand.

1422
00:43:54.379 --> 00:43:56.459
They would say they understood and then they would make

1423
00:43:56.620 --> 00:43:57.239
the same

1424
00:43:57.620 --> 00:43:59.100
error on the next paper

1425
00:43:59.260 --> 00:44:01.080
and so we're like we need more,

1426
00:44:01.209 --> 00:44:04.139
more than just the writing center we need something to illustrate

1427
00:44:04.340 --> 00:44:05.439
that they can go through

1428
00:44:05.860 --> 00:44:07.159
on their own so

1429
00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:08.419
we created those.

1430
00:44:08.544 --> 00:44:08.895
And,

1431
00:44:08.905 --> 00:44:09.135
um,

1432
00:44:09.264 --> 00:44:12.745
many faculty use them or a version of the modules

1433
00:44:12.985 --> 00:44:14.705
and we're constantly adding to it,

1434
00:44:14.875 --> 00:44:16.665
adding student videos and things,

1435
00:44:16.705 --> 00:44:18.294
and we're moving into Google Drive.

1436
00:44:18.344 --> 00:44:18.685
So

1437
00:44:19.064 --> 00:44:20.945
that's another kind of thing where you just go,

1438
00:44:21.104 --> 00:44:21.614
what are,

1439
00:44:22.024 --> 00:44:23.165
what more do they need?

1440
00:44:23.705 --> 00:44:24.564
How can I,

1441
00:44:24.985 --> 00:44:26.745
how can I get that for them?

1442
00:44:26.784 --> 00:44:28.465
And then I don't know if you've had it,

1443
00:44:28.625 --> 00:44:29.264
but um.

1444
00:44:31.459 --> 00:44:34.000
We now a bunch of us are doing

1445
00:44:34.179 --> 00:44:37.879
we're doing grading conferences to grade the papers rather than

1446
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:42.929
just writing the feedback and giving it back and that's very stressful for students

1447
00:44:43.129 --> 00:44:46.080
that was something that I initiated on the Tempe campus also,

1448
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:46.959
um,

1449
00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:48.040
and the reason

1450
00:44:48.350 --> 00:44:49.179
that is it it.

1451
00:44:49.689 --> 00:44:53.149
I will say I started in 2014

1452
00:44:53.570 --> 00:44:54.169
and

1453
00:44:54.370 --> 00:44:58.750
100% of my students who I polled anonymously every semester have said

1454
00:44:59.010 --> 00:44:59.790
to keep them

1455
00:45:00.250 --> 00:45:01.570
because even though they're afraid

1456
00:45:01.709 --> 00:45:02.959
when they first come in

1457
00:45:03.610 --> 00:45:06.000
and often leave with comments like it's not as,

1458
00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:07.909
it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be,

1459
00:45:08.209 --> 00:45:09.350
what it turns your,

1460
00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:13.209
your feedback that you get on this essay that is where so much of your.

1461
00:45:13.570 --> 00:45:14.679
Grade and you're learning,

1462
00:45:14.850 --> 00:45:16.429
it turns it into a dialogue

1463
00:45:16.610 --> 00:45:18.709
so we can talk together about what's strong

1464
00:45:19.370 --> 00:45:21.370
and what like we grade them at the same

1465
00:45:21.370 --> 00:45:23.610
time and the student sees what they actually wrote

1466
00:45:23.929 --> 00:45:28.110
and then we talk about them and then we we identify three areas

1467
00:45:28.449 --> 00:45:31.570
um for improvement on the on the next draft and so again

1468
00:45:31.770 --> 00:45:33.969
I know it can be stressful but on the

1469
00:45:33.969 --> 00:45:36.929
other hand students find out faculty aren't like dragons.

1470
00:45:37.399 --> 00:45:38.959
And hopefully

1471
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:41.909
and um and I really enjoy it because I,

1472
00:45:42.179 --> 00:45:42.679
I,

1473
00:45:42.860 --> 00:45:43.860
I like to talk to people.

1474
00:45:44.060 --> 00:45:44.919
I don't like,

1475
00:45:44.969 --> 00:45:47.810
I don't like to spend all my time like looking at a computer screen or

1476
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:49.340
or what have you.

1477
00:45:49.419 --> 00:45:49.739
So

1478
00:45:49.979 --> 00:45:52.830
those are some examples of things that we've

1479
00:45:53.219 --> 00:45:53.419
tried.

1480
00:45:53.540 --> 00:45:53.739
I,

1481
00:45:53.780 --> 00:45:56.330
I should probably think of the things we've tried that didn't work.

1482
00:45:56.580 --> 00:45:56.699
Oh,

1483
00:45:56.739 --> 00:45:57.370
I have one for you.

1484
00:45:57.419 --> 00:45:57.979
Do you wanna know?

1485
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:00.860
Now you don't want to say didn't work,

1486
00:46:01.060 --> 00:46:02.620
but it didn't work as we had hoped.

1487
00:46:02.979 --> 00:46:03.439
So when

1488
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:04.340
Dean,

1489
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:05.000
so

1490
00:46:05.459 --> 00:46:06.739
we used to have.

1491
00:46:07.979 --> 00:46:08.260
Uh,

1492
00:46:08.379 --> 00:46:09.000
when I started,

1493
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.020
human event was 171

1494
00:46:11.139 --> 00:46:12.550
and 172,

1495
00:46:13.060 --> 00:46:15.979
so what's now 272 was 172,

1496
00:46:16.350 --> 00:46:16.929
and,

1497
00:46:16.939 --> 00:46:17.370
um,

1498
00:46:17.459 --> 00:46:18.719
it looked a lot as it,

1499
00:46:18.770 --> 00:46:19.790
as it looked today,

1500
00:46:20.100 --> 00:46:21.919
but when Dean Jacobs came.

1501
00:46:22.850 --> 00:46:25.100
To bear it and talk to a lot of students

1502
00:46:25.100 --> 00:46:28.000
we found more and more of our students are in STEM

1503
00:46:28.379 --> 00:46:29.360
fields

1504
00:46:29.739 --> 00:46:34.239
and they were interested in sort of like natural sciences focused

1505
00:46:34.419 --> 00:46:35.280
human events

1506
00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:40.580
so we thought about this a lot we came up with the idea that 171 would be 171

1507
00:46:40.780 --> 00:46:41.429
and then.

1508
00:46:41.909 --> 00:46:43.350
Instead of 172,

1509
00:46:43.469 --> 00:46:45.830
we would have three different tracks.

1510
00:46:46.110 --> 00:46:47.389
It would be 272,

1511
00:46:47.469 --> 00:46:48.500
273,

1512
00:46:48.540 --> 00:46:49.889
and 274,

1513
00:46:50.189 --> 00:46:53.250
and 272 would be a humanities focused.

1514
00:46:54.120 --> 00:46:58.620
Human event second semester human event 273 was natural sciences focused

1515
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:00.219
and 274 was

1516
00:47:00.479 --> 00:47:02.340
um social sciences focused

1517
00:47:02.600 --> 00:47:03.320
and

1518
00:47:03.479 --> 00:47:06.179
it wasn't they were still really interdisciplinary

1519
00:47:06.479 --> 00:47:09.159
the way you would figure out like I'd still do science in

1520
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.780
mine and someone who's a natural scientist would still do poetry,

1521
00:47:13.080 --> 00:47:16.820
but it was based on the disciplinary PhD of the instructor,

1522
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:17.550
um,

1523
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:18.149
that was,

1524
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:19.239
that was the idea.

1525
00:47:20.010 --> 00:47:22.030
We tried that for for many years

1526
00:47:22.409 --> 00:47:24.510
but it didn't ultimately

1527
00:47:25.250 --> 00:47:28.889
help uh students got confused they were expecting that it

1528
00:47:28.889 --> 00:47:32.870
would be all science or all human uh you know humanities

1529
00:47:33.090 --> 00:47:35.610
or whatever it wasn't really clear and since.

1530
00:47:36.399 --> 00:47:38.120
Since we really find that

1531
00:47:38.399 --> 00:47:41.239
a liberal arts sort of that's what human event is it

1532
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.300
makes you think about you look at all different kinds of

1533
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.040
human thought production,

1534
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:46.699
um,

1535
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:47.040
you know,

1536
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.500
from art to music to architecture

1537
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.260
to philosophy and science and everything else

1538
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:53.510
and so,

1539
00:47:53.560 --> 00:47:53.949
uh,

1540
00:47:53.959 --> 00:47:54.629
so we went back,

1541
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:57.110
so we came back to just 272,

1542
00:47:57.199 --> 00:47:57.669
so

1543
00:47:58.399 --> 00:48:00.000
I don't think it was a failure.

1544
00:48:00.040 --> 00:48:02.600
I think it was a successful experiment

1545
00:48:02.919 --> 00:48:03.899
that we decided

1546
00:48:04.040 --> 00:48:04.669
was not.

1547
00:48:05.429 --> 00:48:06.370
The way that we should,

1548
00:48:06.580 --> 00:48:06.790
you know,

1549
00:48:06.949 --> 00:48:07.620
emerge in the,

1550
00:48:07.709 --> 00:48:08.939
in the future,

1551
00:48:08.949 --> 00:48:09.300
so,

1552
00:48:09.709 --> 00:48:12.590
but that would be a fun follow up is like what have been some,

1553
00:48:12.649 --> 00:48:14.389
what have been the epic failures.

1554
00:48:15.699 --> 00:48:15.709
I,

1555
00:48:18.929 --> 00:48:21.459
but I'm sure when you first came to Pirate,

1556
00:48:21.689 --> 00:48:26.090
were you still miss Scott because now you're Doctor Scott Lynch and

1557
00:48:27.060 --> 00:48:28.850
Doctor Lynch is down the hallway.

1558
00:48:28.919 --> 00:48:28.929
Oh.

1559
00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:30.479
OK.

1560
00:48:30.939 --> 00:48:32.060
So the story there,

1561
00:48:32.139 --> 00:48:33.459
which is sometimes confusing,

1562
00:48:33.580 --> 00:48:34.520
is that

1563
00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:35.389
I

1564
00:48:35.580 --> 00:48:37.719
was married when I first came to bear it,

1565
00:48:37.729 --> 00:48:38.939
and I had changed my name,

1566
00:48:39.060 --> 00:48:39.459
so

1567
00:48:39.620 --> 00:48:41.040
I was Doctor Lynch.

1568
00:48:41.899 --> 00:48:42.399
So because

1569
00:48:42.540 --> 00:48:44.300
I don't know if you know Star Trek,

1570
00:48:44.689 --> 00:48:45.340
but.

1571
00:48:46.290 --> 00:48:48.850
this really was in my mind is Doctor Scott

1572
00:48:49.090 --> 00:48:50.860
sounded a lot like Doctor Spock

1573
00:48:51.010 --> 00:48:51.550
to me,

1574
00:48:51.770 --> 00:48:53.639
and I didn't like that feeling,

1575
00:48:53.770 --> 00:48:54.209
so I'm like,

1576
00:48:54.290 --> 00:48:54.879
I'm gonna

1577
00:48:55.169 --> 00:48:57.129
change my name and go with Doctor Lynch

1578
00:48:57.449 --> 00:48:58.770
and my first year teaching,

1579
00:48:58.810 --> 00:49:01.030
I was Doctor Lynch for the first few years,

1580
00:49:01.929 --> 00:49:03.919
but back there then on the old campus,

1581
00:49:04.010 --> 00:49:04.199
my,

1582
00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:06.229
my office was right near my husband's

1583
00:49:06.530 --> 00:49:09.520
and who's also on the faculty here as Doctor,

1584
00:49:09.649 --> 00:49:11.729
we even had the same initials John Lynch,

1585
00:49:12.169 --> 00:49:12.850
Jackie Lynch,

1586
00:49:12.889 --> 00:49:13.709
and so.

1587
00:49:14.399 --> 00:49:17.820
Too often students would come into my office and then stop

1588
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.399
startled and say you're not Doctor Lynch

1589
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:21.540
and so

1590
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.959
I just gave up after a while and I said,

1591
00:49:24.030 --> 00:49:24.209
OK,

1592
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.820
I'm gonna use my maiden name at work to try to

1593
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.620
clarify it and so I tend to go by

1594
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.000
by Doctor Scott,

1595
00:49:31.040 --> 00:49:32.600
but we put Scott Lynch

1596
00:49:32.949 --> 00:49:34.139
on the signs,

1597
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:34.590
uh,

1598
00:49:34.600 --> 00:49:35.320
just so that.

1599
00:49:35.939 --> 00:49:38.820
Students who don't know this boring story,

1600
00:49:38.830 --> 00:49:39.350
uh,

1601
00:49:39.790 --> 00:49:40.750
like will be able,

1602
00:49:40.969 --> 00:49:43.489
will be able to find me and I don't ultimately

1603
00:49:43.790 --> 00:49:46.719
care which of the last names that students use,

1604
00:49:46.790 --> 00:49:47.139
but,

1605
00:49:47.149 --> 00:49:47.659
um,

1606
00:49:48.030 --> 00:49:48.659
that's the,

1607
00:49:48.750 --> 00:49:50.469
that's the reason why it was.

1608
00:49:52.409 --> 00:49:52.909
Just,

1609
00:49:53.290 --> 00:49:55.060
just to distinguish myself from a

1610
00:49:55.370 --> 00:49:56.169
tall,

1611
00:49:56.250 --> 00:49:56.639
uh,

1612
00:49:56.850 --> 00:49:59.350
red-haired Irish man that I am not.

1613
00:50:06.310 --> 00:50:07.770
Another is happy that she had one.

1614
00:50:07.889 --> 00:50:10.729
Another funny story about that is that

1615
00:50:11.090 --> 00:50:11.489
so

1616
00:50:11.649 --> 00:50:14.389
when my husband and I before we started Barrett but at ASU,

1617
00:50:15.070 --> 00:50:15.489
um.

1618
00:50:16.570 --> 00:50:18.209
When we first got married,

1619
00:50:18.459 --> 00:50:20.780
we lived at what was then called ASU East.

1620
00:50:20.860 --> 00:50:24.270
It's now the polytechnic campus because we were able to rent

1621
00:50:24.540 --> 00:50:25.419
a 3 bedroom,

1622
00:50:25.540 --> 00:50:27.159
2 bathroom house

1623
00:50:27.340 --> 00:50:28.939
for $500 a month,

1624
00:50:29.149 --> 00:50:29.439
which

1625
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:31.419
was just about all we had,

1626
00:50:31.540 --> 00:50:31.739
you know,

1627
00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:33.479
that's about all that we were making,

1628
00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:34.570
and so it was,

1629
00:50:34.770 --> 00:50:35.540
it was new because it was.

1630
00:50:35.614 --> 00:50:40.385
Like transitioning from Williams Gatefield Airport to this

1631
00:50:40.764 --> 00:50:41.125
campus,

1632
00:50:41.205 --> 00:50:41.445
so yeah,

1633
00:50:41.524 --> 00:50:44.584
it was amazing they had had military housing

1634
00:50:44.725 --> 00:50:45.945
and so that's what we

1635
00:50:46.074 --> 00:50:47.104
ultimately moved into.

1636
00:50:47.405 --> 00:50:47.875
But for,

1637
00:50:47.925 --> 00:50:48.125
you know,

1638
00:50:48.304 --> 00:50:49.925
graduate students on a very,

1639
00:50:49.965 --> 00:50:50.955
very limited budget,

1640
00:50:50.965 --> 00:50:51.784
it was wonderful,

1641
00:50:51.925 --> 00:50:54.665
but we would have to drive all the way out there and there was nothing.

1642
00:50:55.570 --> 00:50:57.679
At the time it was just wasn't developed yet

1643
00:50:57.889 --> 00:51:00.239
and so there was one restaurant

1644
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:02.360
within like miles

1645
00:51:02.699 --> 00:51:04.939
and it was very funny because it was,

1646
00:51:04.979 --> 00:51:05.889
I think it was called,

1647
00:51:06.260 --> 00:51:07.159
maybe it was called

1648
00:51:07.429 --> 00:51:08.600
it was Cosmo's

1649
00:51:08.860 --> 00:51:11.050
Restaurant on the corner just outside the,

1650
00:51:11.219 --> 00:51:11.739
the,

1651
00:51:12.139 --> 00:51:12.929
the campus

1652
00:51:13.179 --> 00:51:13.959
and um

1653
00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:16.699
there were a lot of retired people out there so they would,

1654
00:51:16.780 --> 00:51:20.719
it would be Cosmos would be very busy between like 4 and 6 during the

1655
00:51:20.860 --> 00:51:23.120
early bird special and then there would be nobody.

1656
00:51:24.100 --> 00:51:24.649
It was,

1657
00:51:25.010 --> 00:51:25.620
it was

1658
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:26.010
funny,

1659
00:51:26.090 --> 00:51:26.969
but we were very,

1660
00:51:27.050 --> 00:51:27.409
uh,

1661
00:51:27.530 --> 00:51:28.830
appreciative to have that.

1662
00:51:29.810 --> 00:51:30.800
That opportunity.

1663
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:32.879
Well,

1664
00:51:32.959 --> 00:51:34.040
thank you so much,

1665
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:35.320
Doctor Scott Lynch.

1666
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:36.489
You're very welcome.

1667
00:51:36.949 --> 00:51:37.580
It's a pleasure.

1668
00:51:38.570 --> 00:51:40.209
And if we have any other questions,

1669
00:51:40.330 --> 00:51:43.520
we will definitely follow up with you if you give us the time.

1670
00:51:43.610 --> 00:51:43.929
OK,

1671
00:51:44.050 --> 00:51:44.310
great.

1672
00:51:45.270 --> 00:51:45.280
Yeah,

1673
00:51:45.330 --> 00:51:48.330
if you have any questions about this interview or the oral project,

1674
00:51:48.409 --> 00:51:48.679
uh,

1675
00:51:48.969 --> 00:51:51.689
please contact Doctor or Vice Dean Nicola Foot.

1676
00:51:51.979 --> 00:51:54.489
And if any more thoughts you'd like to share for this interview,

1677
00:51:54.610 --> 00:51:54.719
uh,

1678
00:51:54.810 --> 00:51:56.969
please feel free to reach out and we can schedule a time

1679
00:51:57.169 --> 00:51:57.919
that works best,

1680
00:51:57.929 --> 00:51:59.280
and we can talk more about it.

1681
00:51:59.330 --> 00:51:59.489
OK,

1682
00:51:59.570 --> 00:51:59.729
great.

1683
00:51:59.810 --> 00:52:00.010
Thank you.

1684
00:52:00.090 --> 00:52:00.810
This is really fun.

1685
00:52:01.010 --> 00:52:01.520
Nice meeting you.

1686
00:52:01.729 --> 00:52:02.199
Thank you as well.