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Hello,

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this is Caroline Livingston and Matthew Gernstead interviewing Abby Long

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Logsdon.

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Addie,

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Addie,

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uh,

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I,

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I think I said Addie,

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my bad.

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Addie Logsdon on November 5th at 2 o'clock at in Vice Dean Foot's office.

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This interview is part of the Barrett Oral History Project.

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Our goal is to preserve a record of

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Barrett's history in honor of our 30th anniversary.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with us and share your experience.

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So just to get started,

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what's your affiliation with Barrett?

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So I came to ASU in 1994 from Washington State,

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and I didn't know anything about the Honors College.

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And in,

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I think 1996,

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I also discovered that there was no Women's coalition on campus.

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So I set about to found the Women's Coalition.

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I thought it was

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outrageous it didn't exist,

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and so I met with various faculty and staff

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and administrators across campus and ultimately someone said,

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you need to meet with Michael Cochise Young.

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She works in the Honors College.

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So I called her and made an appointment with her,

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and I talked to her about

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forming a women's coalition,

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and she was very,

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very helpful.

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But at the end of the time I had with her,

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she said,

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Why aren't you in the honors college?

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And I said,

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I don't know what the honors college is.

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So she insisted I apply as an upperclassman and I started in the honors college.

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I think as a junior,

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but I,

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I was just telling Dean Jacobs that I switched my major in my senior year,

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so I ended up having 3 years with Barrett.

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It wasn't Barrett then though.

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What was it called then?

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University Honors College.

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Yeah.

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So I got to know um Dean Humphrey really well.

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I spent a lot of time with Dean Michael Cochise Young and then Dean Burke too.

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As an undergrad,

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and I did a summer study abroad,

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um,

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to the British Isles,

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and I wrote a really fun thesis on Yvonne Boland,

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who's an Irish,

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uh,

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uh,

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author and poet.

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I think she was at Stanford still.

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so it was great.

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I loved my

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time as an underclassman.

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undergrad,

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I believe you also worked as a staffer here at there.

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Yes.

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So when I graduate,

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one of the reasons I did,

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uh,

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took 5 years to graduate instead of 4

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is I was in the education department and I did

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a 11 year of their 2 year professional program.

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I said,

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I have made a mistake and I don't want to be a teacher.

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So I changed my major to English literature and I needed a foreign language.

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and then I transferred to the Sorbonne in Paris,

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my first semester of my senior,

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my 5th senior year,

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my 5th year.

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And so I spent August to December in Paris,

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where I took the LSAT because I was going to graduate from ASU and go to law school

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and come home and do that here.

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going to the Sorbonne,

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I met a ton of French people and I really loved Paris and I changed my mind.

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So when I came back to Barrett,

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my final semester,

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I finished.

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I did a really great internship at APS because I had met Dick and Dinky Snell

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while I was at ASU doing Devil's advocate tours.

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hooked me up with a really great internship at APS.

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When I graduated and I'd saved up my money,

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and I lived in Paris for a little over a year

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taught English.

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I was an English assistant in a public high school there,

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didn't really keep in touch with anybody here at ASU.

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asked Assistant Dean

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Janet Burke if we could have coffee,

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and we had coffee right over at the,

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business school there was,

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it wasn't Starbucks at the time,

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it was something else.

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Encouraged me and told me all sorts of great stuff and um.

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I'd love to use you as a reference,

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and she says,

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you're welcome to use me as a reference,

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and she walked back to her office

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and her event coordinator walked in and quit.

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So she called me that night and she says,

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Ted and I want you to come and work for us as an event coordinator.

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I don't want to be an event coordinator.

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That is not my life goal.

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I don't think I'd be good at that.

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Planning parties is what.

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I thought it sounded like.

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we know you're going to be great at it,

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and we want you to come work for us.

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So I came and worked.

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It was then called Barrett,

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because Barbara and Craig had done the big gift by then.

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I started in March of 2001.

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within a month I had Nieve Leakey come.

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I managed the Centennial lecture series and the Rhodes lecture series

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and all sorts of other speaking engagements on campus and I worked a lot with.

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I wasn't in development,

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but I really wanted to be in development,

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so I spent a lot of time with our donors

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and um

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it was great.

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I really,

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really loved it

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and I had a lot of flexibility which I wanted.

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And because I've been a student of Ted and Janet,

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it,

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it was a very wonderful relationship for me to work

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for them because they believed in me and I had,

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I would come to them with ideas and they would just say,

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you should do that.

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how long were you working at Barrett for?

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I worked for Barrett for 5 years.

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that's a lot.

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So what are some of the projects that you're the

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most proud of working on or any initiatives that you're,

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feel the most?

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So here's one of the things that happened.

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there's donors still that give to the school,

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and they used to be really involved with the Phoenix Symphony,

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and they would donate a ton of Phoenix Symphony tickets to Barrett.

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And one of my jobs was to go resell them for like $12 a ticket to students,

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and no student ever bought them.

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tickets to the ballet.

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no one is buying these tickets because they're 18,

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they've never been to the symphony.

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They're scared.

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They don't know where to park,

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they don't know what to wear,

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they don't know when to clap,

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they don't know what the heck they're listening to.

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This is ridiculous.

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a context and a group environment,

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and they should have this.

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should teach that class,

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and we will pay you extra to teach it.

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So I developed cultural encounters,

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and it was a one credit hour class,

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and I taught it and I did all the research.

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I also did not come from a family that knew anything about the arts.

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to be like a student and I think,

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what would be,

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what would scare me,

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and what would be my questions.

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developed these relationships around the community where

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we could go and see Wicked,

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and then the person playing the wizard would come

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out afterwards for coffee and dessert with my students.

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Or like the lead dancer of Riverdance,

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that the Irish dance Company would come to class.

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to be the lead dancer in Riverdance.

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who's a donor to the college and who I spend a lot of time with.

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is credited with saving Ballet Arizona.

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It was going to go under and she,

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as the board president stayed and raised a bunch

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of money and kept the ballet in business.

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She came and talked about what,

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how much do shoes cost for the ballet?

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How much does it really cost to run arts.

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and why it's so important to support the arts.

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really great experience of learning about the arts in this kind of careful,

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and I loved it.

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And I also needed the money.

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Like it was great that they were paying me extra money

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and it kept evolving that way.

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I would have an idea and I'd go

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and Ted and Janet ultimately retired and then Dean,

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Jacobs came and Peggy

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and Kristen and so I would still be able to go to them and say,

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I have this idea.

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I'm a product of the honors college and I lived in France,

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but I've never been to New York City.

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And I think that's actually happening for students.

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study abroad is an accessible thing,

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but going to New York City is not.

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You're not likely to be 20 years old and buy your own plane ticket and figure it out.

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so I've developed this and I'd already worked it out on a spreadsheet.

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Here's the numbers.

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if I took,

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even 7 students to New York City,

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this is how much the plane tickets cost.

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This is where we'd stay near Times Square in a hostel,

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and this is the program,

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and their,

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their expenses would cover my expenses,

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you know,

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and I worked it out,

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and Mark said,

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you should do that,

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and we'll and I said,

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we should call it Great American Cities.

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And so that still exists and I'm really happy that that does because I,

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when I.

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I was doing it and I think still now we we have students who

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go,

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I've never been on an airplane before.

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I'm a college student

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and I'm going to be a leader

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someday in our community,

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but I've never left the state of Arizona

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or I've never been east of the Mississippi

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and I think it's really important to change

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the way you think about the world by travel.

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Mhm.

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That's wonderful.

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So you touched on this a little bit,

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but.

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What do you believe that you studied abroad some,

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so what do you believe the greater value

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of travel is for honor students specifically?

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I think when you're young,

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you're especially malleable,

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and I think before you

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firm up your ideas about what it means to be.

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A human or what it means to be you or what you really want in the world,

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it's very valuable to sit and have a pint

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of beer with someone who is different from you.

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And when you travel,

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you have that chance.

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When you don't travel,

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you get to be around people just like yourselves.

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And so I think I see,

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I used to see it all the time when I travel with students and as a student and as a staff.

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People really change when they get to

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be kind of confronted by

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different cultures.

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And it's really uncomfortable for some students,

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and I think that's really valuable.

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I had a really,

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really,

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really uptight,

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sanctimonious

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sophomore college student go with me to Washington DC and she was so uncomfortable.

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And we,

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it makes me cry.

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We went to the largest homeless shelter in the country and volunteered.

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And she absolutely

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bawled at the end of it

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and was completely transformed.

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I think she came home and changed her major.

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She was completely transformed and so uncomfortable,

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and I thought,

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well,

331
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there you go.

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I'm,

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I,

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I'm,

335
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I've done my job here.

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So I think that happens.

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Did you have a standout moment like that in your study abroad experience?

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At your time at Barrett,

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that you felt like you just changed as a person or changed your outlook?

340
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Well,

341
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I mean,

342
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when I studied in Paris,

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I,

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I took the LSATs,

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but I never even applied to law school and I'm,

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I went back to Paris and

347
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did things that were so difficult

348
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that

349
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they're funny now,

350
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you know,

351
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I slept on people's floors for 2.5 months while I looked for a job in an apartment and.

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I mean,

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now it's funny,

354
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but at the time it was awful,

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and I think it made me

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realize how resilient I am and capable and

357
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I,

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I could probably live anywhere in the world,

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but I only know that because I've traveled

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and people really are the same everywhere,

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even though it's really uncomfortable.

362
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And along that track

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for the great American cities,

364
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obviously it's cities in America.

365
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So how do you think domestic

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study abroads compared to international ones?

367
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Well,

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I think you know we had access.

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In New York City

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to people who hadn't

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had very different lifestyles and very different.

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Backgrounds than typical Arizona kids.

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And that was really interesting to show them

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what life could look like,

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you know,

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what it would feel like to live in a big city and

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and take the subway every day and,

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and,

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you know,

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work in these high rise buildings.

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And

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I think it really changed their outlook on what is possible.

383
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A lot of people only think as far as what they know and what they see.

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touch and feel.

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And you wouldn't know that you love lingonberry jam

386
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if you've never had it.

387
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And so just making it accessible to them,

388
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people might think,

389
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I would never want to work as a stockbroker until they went to New York City or

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work for a designing house,

391
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you know,

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at Prada or something.

393
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And until they went there and they thought,

394
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This is really different and I really like it.

395
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I don't think Most,

396
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I don't think most people have any idea what's possible

397
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in terms of careers and being fulfilled as a human,

398
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until you get out and meet other people

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who are doing things you've never heard about,

400
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right?

401
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I mean

402
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there are companies where I live,

403
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because I live in an agricultural industry,

404
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that have fleets of helicopters,

405
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and the only reason they have multi-million dollar companies,

406
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they hover over cherry.

407
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Orchards in the spring right before harvest

408
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with their helicopter blades,

409
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it whips the water off the top of the cherry,

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because the water on top of the cherry after it rains can ruin the cherry.

411
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It can ruin the whole crop.

412
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It splits the cherry.

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Like how would you know that exists?

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You wouldn't,

415
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right?

416
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Who knew you could just put a helicopter hovered

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over a cherry orchard and whip the water off?

418
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It's a whole industry.

419
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Right?

420
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So how would you know that?

421
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And there's probably super similar things in New

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York City or DC or Philadelphia or Seattle

423
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that people have no idea exist and would be really fulfilling and interesting to do.

424
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Um.

425
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Do you have a favorite,

426
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um,

427
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great American cities trip that you went on?

428
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You know,

429
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New York City was always my,

430
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I love New York City.

431
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So,

432
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and we had really,

433
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I always,

434
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I mean,

435
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Mark's son lived,

436
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still lives there,

437
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but he lived there and he was really young,

438
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and we're the same age,

439
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and he had,

440
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um,

441
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lived through 9/11.

442
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And it was really short,

443
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shortly thereafter that he sat down with our students

444
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and,

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and cried in front of them and talked about that experience.

446
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And I just think that was

447
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so great

448
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that he was willing to do that for those students.

449
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And I think there's other alumni,

450
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he's not an alumni,

451
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but other grownups and people out in the in the business world that

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we've been able to encounter.

453
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And that was the thing that turned for the students is meeting those people.

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The homeless shelter in DC at that moment,

455
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I'll never forget that that girl.

456
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I wish I remembered her name,

457
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but

458
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it was transformational.

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For her,

460
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so.

461
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It's very self-serving.

462
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I mean,

463
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I,

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I did these things for Barrett,

465
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but I also got tickets to really great shows and I got to see

466
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really great things,

467
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and I met really great people and I got to travel,

468
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you know,

469
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they paid me to do it.

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So

471
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I,

472
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it wasn't all altruistic.

473
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Mark likes to talk about it as though I'm some kind of saint,

474
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but,

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um,

476
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you know,

477
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I didn't,

478
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I wasn't going to be able to go to New York City by myself.

479
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Or take the vacation time if Barrett didn't figure out a way for me to go.

480
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About how many trips did you end up going on?

481
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You know,

482
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I probably did 4.

483
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And really great American cities,

484
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I used to also for some reason,

485
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be in charge of the Flynn scholar money.

486
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So the Flynn scholars would get this bucket of

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money and we would have to take them someplace.

488
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And it was like,

489
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well,

490
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who can take them?

491
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Addie,

492
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go.

493
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Rent an ASU van and

494
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get these Flynn scholars and we used to,

495
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Eric Cesser was a professor here then,

496
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and we would 2 or 3 times took them to Los Angeles

497
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on Flynn money and we,

498
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we even met President Ford in an In N-Out Burger on the way there once.

499
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They recently found a picture of it and sent it to me

500
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because the Secret Service details took pictures and said,

501
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yeah,

502
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I'll send you a picture.

503
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Because Mike sent them all to me,

504
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yeah,

505
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and,

506
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um,

507
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Megan Cox is in the picture,

508
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who's I hope you're interviewing.

509
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She's an alum too,

510
00:16:22.906 --> 00:16:22.916
yeah,

511
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uh,

512
00:16:24.685 --> 00:16:27.825
so Megan was on that trip and we were inside an In N-Out Burger

513
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in like Palm Desert on the way to LA and

514
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here was the president with all of his security,

515
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Secret Service.

516
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You just went in there.

517
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Oh no,

518
00:16:35.366 --> 00:16:38.466
and he was there and his Secret Service took pictures and said.

519
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Um,

520
00:16:39.609 --> 00:16:40.809
if you send me these pictures,

521
00:16:40.849 --> 00:16:43.429
I'll make sure he autographs them and send them back to you

522
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because he wasn't suggestive of that.

523
00:16:45.489 --> 00:16:46.289
And so we did,

524
00:16:46.369 --> 00:16:49.190
we printed 5 pictures or 6 and we sent them,

525
00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:50.049
and then like 4 months,

526
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it took a long time,

527
00:16:50.770 --> 00:16:51.690
4 months later he came,

528
00:16:51.849 --> 00:16:52.640
they came back.

529
00:16:53.049 --> 00:16:55.609
Secret Service had made sure the president signed them,

530
00:16:55.849 --> 00:16:57.969
but we stayed in this hostel in Venice Beach,

531
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which a lot,

532
00:16:58.719 --> 00:17:00.130
if you've never been to Venice Beach,

533
00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:00.849
it's a.

534
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Completely different world.

535
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I mean that alone for people who had grown

536
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up in Tempe or Scottsdale was absolutely shocking.

537
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And so we'd stay in this really funky

538
00:17:10.071 --> 00:17:10.583
hostel,

539
00:17:10.593 --> 00:17:13.152
and we'd go to the Huntington Library and Gardens,

540
00:17:13.162 --> 00:17:14.353
and we'd go to the Getty,

541
00:17:14.373 --> 00:17:16.233
and they'd go and see a show,

542
00:17:16.392 --> 00:17:17.892
see The Lion King or something.

543
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And

544
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so Flynn's got to do that.

545
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And then I started doing it for other students.

546
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So.

547
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So at that point,

548
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the Flynns didn't,

549
00:17:26.214 --> 00:17:26.505
you know,

550
00:17:26.645 --> 00:17:28.676
now they all go to China as a,

551
00:17:28.686 --> 00:17:30.645
as a did that.

552
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So it was pre,

553
00:17:32.296 --> 00:17:32.495
yeah,

554
00:17:33.056 --> 00:17:33.765
we as a,

555
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as a university got per capita a bunch of money from Flynn.

556
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So I wonder if your trips planted the seed

557
00:17:41.375 --> 00:17:45.135
for the Foundation that I'm glad should group trips.

558
00:17:45.650 --> 00:17:45.910
Yeah,

559
00:17:45.969 --> 00:17:46.750
we should ask.

560
00:17:48.459 --> 00:17:48.479
We should.

561
00:17:48.569 --> 00:17:51.530
Were you doing the Flynn trips before you started Great American Cities?

562
00:17:51.609 --> 00:17:52.050
I was.

563
00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:54.849
And so we couldn't go far with Flynn money.

564
00:17:54.890 --> 00:17:57.170
We can drive to LA in an ASU van,

565
00:17:57.250 --> 00:17:57.369
which

566
00:17:58.040 --> 00:18:01.030
is that part of what helped you think of the Great American Cities

567
00:18:01.829 --> 00:18:01.890
project?

568
00:18:01.969 --> 00:18:02.329
I mean,

569
00:18:02.439 --> 00:18:03.369
it depends on the day.

570
00:18:03.650 --> 00:18:05.010
Sometimes I remember it differently.

571
00:18:05.170 --> 00:18:05.250
You know,

572
00:18:05.650 --> 00:18:10.449
I I listened to this podcast by Malcolm Gladwell about how incorrect our memory is.

573
00:18:10.890 --> 00:18:11.430
So

574
00:18:12.145 --> 00:18:13.025
Part of me wants to say,

575
00:18:13.104 --> 00:18:16.494
I just really wanted to go to New York City and I wanted somebody else to pay for it,

576
00:18:16.545 --> 00:18:18.045
but part of me remembers

577
00:18:18.824 --> 00:18:19.765
being young enough.

578
00:18:19.824 --> 00:18:22.055
I was really young when I worked for Barrett,

579
00:18:22.224 --> 00:18:25.885
and I was so close to the same age as these students,

580
00:18:26.185 --> 00:18:29.084
and I could see all the things we were missing

581
00:18:29.545 --> 00:18:30.614
because I had lived it,

582
00:18:30.704 --> 00:18:30.864
you know,

583
00:18:30.925 --> 00:18:34.275
I really had been on two study abroad trips

584
00:18:34.584 --> 00:18:35.584
and traveled around Europe,

585
00:18:35.665 --> 00:18:36.545
backpacked twice,

586
00:18:36.625 --> 00:18:38.444
and I'd never been to New York City

587
00:18:39.265 --> 00:18:40.685
because it wasn't accessible.

588
00:18:40.704 --> 00:18:41.484
And so.

589
00:18:42.300 --> 00:18:42.660
I don't know.

590
00:18:42.699 --> 00:18:43.660
I guess the Flynn,

591
00:18:43.819 --> 00:18:46.140
I bet the Flynns did influence me quite a bit,

592
00:18:46.250 --> 00:18:47.609
but any time we added faculty,

593
00:18:47.660 --> 00:18:51.449
it made it so expensive because of the the academic unit,

594
00:18:51.739 --> 00:18:53.699
so the great American cities can doesn't.

595
00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.300
Pretend to be an academic experience.

596
00:18:57.369 --> 00:18:58.819
It is a cultural

597
00:18:59.569 --> 00:19:03.829
life experience that I think is still really valuable in an academic setting,

598
00:19:04.930 --> 00:19:05.579
if that makes sense.

599
00:19:06.290 --> 00:19:06.390
Um,

600
00:19:06.530 --> 00:19:10.689
I believe you also um fund a scholarship for the Great American Cities Program.

601
00:19:10.770 --> 00:19:12.689
What motivated you to start that?

602
00:19:13.290 --> 00:19:13.550
Well,

603
00:19:13.770 --> 00:19:14.650
when I was an undergrad,

604
00:19:14.729 --> 00:19:17.729
I was in devil's advocates and I did a lot of student recruitment.

605
00:19:17.829 --> 00:19:19.630
So we walked backwards and gave student tours,

606
00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.089
as you all probably know.

607
00:19:21.369 --> 00:19:24.310
But we also at that time spent a lot of time with donors

608
00:19:24.489 --> 00:19:26.750
and I got to meet people who were

609
00:19:27.329 --> 00:19:31.050
really invested in the university and I didn't grow up in a home

610
00:19:31.050 --> 00:19:33.989
where we did philanthropy and I didn't know much about it at all,

611
00:19:34.209 --> 00:19:36.109
but I was always interested in

612
00:19:36.369 --> 00:19:38.520
that you would get to a stage of life and you would.

613
00:19:39.099 --> 00:19:41.000
Be invested this way you would give back

614
00:19:41.339 --> 00:19:42.579
and then when I worked at Barrett,

615
00:19:42.650 --> 00:19:46.900
I worked really closely also with donors to the university to Barrett,

616
00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.099
even though I wasn't in development.

617
00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:49.239
I spent a lot of time.

618
00:19:50.060 --> 00:19:50.410
You know,

619
00:19:50.670 --> 00:19:54.010
hanging out with Gwen Hillis and spending time with Scott and Addie Rhodes,

620
00:19:54.020 --> 00:19:54.550
and

621
00:19:54.900 --> 00:19:57.479
I just really liked them and I liked that they.

622
00:19:58.619 --> 00:20:02.000
Did something other than what they wanted to do with their money.

623
00:20:02.780 --> 00:20:04.880
And it always made sense for me and then.

624
00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:06.380
So even then,

625
00:20:06.390 --> 00:20:06.780
I think,

626
00:20:06.829 --> 00:20:07.890
I think I was donating,

627
00:20:08.109 --> 00:20:08.260
you know,

628
00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:09.640
here and there to things.

629
00:20:09.670 --> 00:20:11.569
And then I did a class once and,

630
00:20:11.699 --> 00:20:12.689
and really

631
00:20:12.979 --> 00:20:14.089
started believing

632
00:20:14.390 --> 00:20:17.689
in the value of philanthropy for yourself like

633
00:20:18.109 --> 00:20:18.569
that.

634
00:20:19.790 --> 00:20:20.050
You know,

635
00:20:20.260 --> 00:20:23.060
all of the money I make doesn't really belong to me.

636
00:20:23.229 --> 00:20:25.119
Like what I do with my money

637
00:20:25.339 --> 00:20:27.459
is what's going to be fulfilling in my life.

638
00:20:27.540 --> 00:20:29.880
And sometimes that's a car or a trip,

639
00:20:30.099 --> 00:20:32.560
and sometimes that really is giving your money away.

640
00:20:32.890 --> 00:20:33.680
And so,

641
00:20:34.300 --> 00:20:35.369
Lexi Noyce

642
00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.339
was my intern when she was at ASU,

643
00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:39.219
a Barrett student.

644
00:20:39.339 --> 00:20:41.479
She worked for me as a paid intern.

645
00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:42.900
Um,

646
00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:46.239
and then when I left Barrett and went to work for Banner Health Foundation,

647
00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:48.380
they gave Lexi my job

648
00:20:48.630 --> 00:20:49.229
part time.

649
00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:50.589
She was still a college student,

650
00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:51.979
but she was so great.

651
00:20:52.479 --> 00:20:55.229
And then she left and went out into the world and worked someplace else.

652
00:20:55.280 --> 00:20:57.020
You should get a hold of Lexi too for this.

653
00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:58.670
And then she came back.

654
00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:01.520
I had had my third child in 2013,

655
00:21:01.609 --> 00:21:03.890
and I came out to the Michael Pollan lecture.

656
00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:05.619
He was here for Centennial.

657
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.339
And Lexi convinced

658
00:21:07.520 --> 00:21:08.119
Dean Jacobs,

659
00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.260
who would never ever in the whole world ever ask me for money.

660
00:21:11.790 --> 00:21:12.079
Um,

661
00:21:12.150 --> 00:21:15.339
convinced him to take me to breakfast at Mimi's cafe in Awatuki,

662
00:21:15.550 --> 00:21:20.209
and they sat down at breakfast and asked me for a $25,000 gift,

663
00:21:20.469 --> 00:21:22.750
and I almost spit orange juice across the table.

664
00:21:22.829 --> 00:21:24.650
I thought it was so lovely

665
00:21:24.790 --> 00:21:28.869
that Lexi thought that I had actually was like successful

666
00:21:28.869 --> 00:21:30.390
enough that I could give somebody that kind of.

667
00:21:30.494 --> 00:21:30.875
Money.

668
00:21:31.224 --> 00:21:31.905
And so I said,

669
00:21:31.984 --> 00:21:33.454
that's really kind of you.

670
00:21:33.574 --> 00:21:35.744
It's so nice because she was then the development officer.

671
00:21:35.824 --> 00:21:37.685
Here was my college intern

672
00:21:37.864 --> 00:21:39.405
who is now a development officer

673
00:21:39.545 --> 00:21:42.375
who's sitting across the table from me asking me for this vast,

674
00:21:42.385 --> 00:21:44.005
what felt like a vast amount of money.

675
00:21:44.385 --> 00:21:47.344
And I in 4 great American cities because they continue to say,

676
00:21:47.385 --> 00:21:47.535
oh,

677
00:21:47.545 --> 00:21:48.084
it's still working,

678
00:21:48.094 --> 00:21:49.084
it's still going.

679
00:21:49.689 --> 00:21:50.290
And let me back up.

680
00:21:50.339 --> 00:21:52.599
I had already been giving about $1000 a year

681
00:21:53.180 --> 00:21:57.260
to great American cities to make sure that kids had scholarships with some,

682
00:21:57.500 --> 00:21:57.689
you know,

683
00:21:57.819 --> 00:21:58.060
terms.

684
00:21:58.140 --> 00:22:00.170
I didn't want anybody to have a full ride scholarship.

685
00:22:00.219 --> 00:22:01.780
You still got to come up with half of it,

686
00:22:02.140 --> 00:22:04.579
and Mark was pretty good about keeping in touch with me about that,

687
00:22:04.709 --> 00:22:05.160
so.

688
00:22:07.010 --> 00:22:07.290
I,

689
00:22:07.489 --> 00:22:08.469
it was 2013,

690
00:22:09.170 --> 00:22:09.810
and I was like,

691
00:22:09.890 --> 00:22:10.010
well,

692
00:22:10.040 --> 00:22:10.949
that's not going to happen,

693
00:22:11.170 --> 00:22:14.010
but thank you for asking for that kind of money from me.

694
00:22:14.089 --> 00:22:16.010
And then in 2015,

695
00:22:16.089 --> 00:22:19.430
I was thinking ahead because I was going to turn 40 in 2016.

696
00:22:19.810 --> 00:22:20.760
And I'll be honest with you,

697
00:22:20.810 --> 00:22:24.239
I thought of all sorts of ways to spend money to like celebrate turning 40,

698
00:22:24.770 --> 00:22:26.569
including cosmetic surgery or some

699
00:22:27.010 --> 00:22:28.229
ridiculous

700
00:22:28.689 --> 00:22:29.550
trip around the world,

701
00:22:29.609 --> 00:22:31.250
but I've kind of been to a lot of places.

702
00:22:31.329 --> 00:22:32.569
I travel a lot and.

703
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:36.479
I didn't need to go to Paris or London or anything silly like that.

704
00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:37.290
And so

705
00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:38.920
I sat down and I said,

706
00:22:39.199 --> 00:22:41.680
what I would really like is to actually do that endowment.

707
00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:45.719
And so my husband agreed and um in addition to that endowment,

708
00:22:45.760 --> 00:22:48.550
I sat down and I wrote 40 letters of gratitude,

709
00:22:49.040 --> 00:22:52.079
many of which went to like Gwen Hillis

710
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:55.280
and Scott Rhodes and Mark Jacobs and people here

711
00:22:55.520 --> 00:22:57.060
who had been so.

712
00:22:58.030 --> 00:23:01.439
Much a part of my youth and becoming who I am,

713
00:23:01.790 --> 00:23:02.689
so I called,

714
00:23:02.910 --> 00:23:03.339
uh,

715
00:23:03.349 --> 00:23:03.709
Barrett.

716
00:23:03.780 --> 00:23:04.579
I sat down,

717
00:23:04.930 --> 00:23:05.380
met with them,

718
00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:05.670
and said,

719
00:23:05.709 --> 00:23:08.709
I'm going to endow that scholarship for my 40th birthday.

720
00:23:09.030 --> 00:23:11.390
And so we had this fun celebration here and

721
00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:14.349
I invited staff and faculty from across campus and.

722
00:23:14.444 --> 00:23:16.795
My friends in the community and um

723
00:23:17.125 --> 00:23:18.765
people like Gwendon Darrell Hillis,

724
00:23:18.805 --> 00:23:19.224
who,

725
00:23:19.564 --> 00:23:19.724
you know,

726
00:23:19.765 --> 00:23:22.045
I just wanted to be like them when I grew up.

727
00:23:22.244 --> 00:23:24.204
Like not just wealthy and successful,

728
00:23:24.314 --> 00:23:24.645
but

729
00:23:24.844 --> 00:23:26.805
like really do give back.

730
00:23:27.045 --> 00:23:30.905
And so we decided to do that endowment and started that in 2016.

731
00:23:31.949 --> 00:23:32.859
Are you glad you did it?

732
00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:33.270
Yeah,

733
00:23:33.349 --> 00:23:33.609
in fact,

734
00:23:33.670 --> 00:23:33.790
I,

735
00:23:33.869 --> 00:23:34.680
I was just telling Mark,

736
00:23:34.829 --> 00:23:35.619
because of the tax law,

737
00:23:35.660 --> 00:23:37.030
we're probably going to finish it this year.

738
00:23:37.150 --> 00:23:40.069
It won't make sense for us to keep giving $5000 a year.

739
00:23:40.150 --> 00:23:40.260
So,

740
00:23:40.270 --> 00:23:45.109
we'll finish off the whole payment this year or next year depending on our taxes.

741
00:23:45.550 --> 00:23:49.030
Do you ever meet the students that receive your money from the endowment?

742
00:23:49.099 --> 00:23:49.729
I try.

743
00:23:49.979 --> 00:23:50.189
I,

744
00:23:50.349 --> 00:23:51.310
it's really,

745
00:23:51.385 --> 00:23:52.714
Important to me that I do.

746
00:23:52.864 --> 00:23:53.094
Um,

747
00:23:53.145 --> 00:23:54.964
I had one student who wrote me

748
00:23:55.744 --> 00:23:56.425
very frequently,

749
00:23:56.464 --> 00:23:57.795
they write a letter to me.

750
00:23:58.185 --> 00:24:00.074
Sometimes they call me on the telephone.

751
00:24:00.305 --> 00:24:01.665
It's very awkward for students,

752
00:24:01.704 --> 00:24:02.324
I think

753
00:24:02.665 --> 00:24:04.545
they don't really know that I'm just like them.

754
00:24:04.655 --> 00:24:07.425
Like they think that I'm somebody that I that I'm different than them

755
00:24:07.425 --> 00:24:08.844
and they don't know how to talk to me on the phone,

756
00:24:08.984 --> 00:24:10.055
and that is a bummer,

757
00:24:10.145 --> 00:24:10.805
but um.

758
00:24:11.630 --> 00:24:12.839
Like today I'm meeting with

759
00:24:12.989 --> 00:24:15.430
some students who've been on Great American Cities,

760
00:24:15.510 --> 00:24:15.949
um,

761
00:24:16.229 --> 00:24:18.750
but when I do meet them and I get to talk to them,

762
00:24:18.790 --> 00:24:20.119
it's really fulfilling.

763
00:24:20.550 --> 00:24:21.510
I really like it.

764
00:24:22.420 --> 00:24:23.089
That's awesome.

765
00:24:23.270 --> 00:24:24.189
So do you keep in,

766
00:24:24.300 --> 00:24:26.510
so you keep in touch with other students that you

767
00:24:26.510 --> 00:24:28.589
were a faculty on the Great American Cities trip?

768
00:24:28.709 --> 00:24:28.949
Yeah,

769
00:24:29.069 --> 00:24:29.569
I have,

770
00:24:29.589 --> 00:24:29.810
um,

771
00:24:29.829 --> 00:24:30.670
Maliyah Fletcher.

772
00:24:30.790 --> 00:24:34.359
She lives in Philadelphia and I keep track of her and Will Penrose,

773
00:24:34.750 --> 00:24:34.869
um,

774
00:24:35.030 --> 00:24:35.739
Damien Stahmer,

775
00:24:35.790 --> 00:24:37.920
whose artwork is in Mark Jacobs' office.

776
00:24:37.989 --> 00:24:40.020
I saw him in New York City,

777
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:40.780
not last time,

778
00:24:40.829 --> 00:24:41.729
but the time before,

779
00:24:41.910 --> 00:24:42.349
and

780
00:24:42.630 --> 00:24:42.969
I do.

781
00:24:43.069 --> 00:24:44.780
I have sometimes I have students who,

782
00:24:44.790 --> 00:24:45.229
um.

783
00:24:46.150 --> 00:24:46.469
Get a,

784
00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:46.829
you know,

785
00:24:46.949 --> 00:24:47.750
Facebook or whatever,

786
00:24:47.829 --> 00:24:51.270
they get in touch with me kind of out of the blue and,

787
00:24:51.390 --> 00:24:52.030
and say,

788
00:24:52.150 --> 00:24:52.550
you know,

789
00:24:52.709 --> 00:24:54.189
I really want to thank you for doing that.

790
00:24:54.310 --> 00:24:55.170
That was really

791
00:24:55.709 --> 00:24:57.069
impactful for me and

792
00:24:57.250 --> 00:24:58.329
I really like that.

793
00:24:58.880 --> 00:24:59.189
But I do,

794
00:24:59.229 --> 00:25:01.880
I feel like I keep in touch with people pretty well and.

795
00:25:03.619 --> 00:25:05.609
I'm really grateful for my time at Barrett.

796
00:25:05.739 --> 00:25:07.640
I recently asked somebody on campus,

797
00:25:07.859 --> 00:25:08.339
um,

798
00:25:08.770 --> 00:25:09.540
she's at the foundation of,

799
00:25:09.619 --> 00:25:11.060
but she used to be in charge of financial aid.

800
00:25:11.260 --> 00:25:11.739
I said,

801
00:25:11.939 --> 00:25:15.479
Is it possible for you to look at my financial aid records and give me

802
00:25:15.859 --> 00:25:18.250
a record of all the money I received?

803
00:25:18.380 --> 00:25:18.459
You know,

804
00:25:18.530 --> 00:25:21.589
I've received a lot of scholarships and I received a lot of grants,

805
00:25:21.819 --> 00:25:23.959
and I'd like to know like what

806
00:25:24.219 --> 00:25:27.359
the total is because that could be a way to measure.

807
00:25:28.349 --> 00:25:28.969
How I give,

808
00:25:29.069 --> 00:25:29.579
you know.

809
00:25:29.790 --> 00:25:30.000
Um-hum.

810
00:25:30.670 --> 00:25:34.030
Because I couldn't possibly have gone to college without other people's help.

811
00:25:34.109 --> 00:25:35.869
Like I remember Ed and Janet Sands,

812
00:25:35.890 --> 00:25:37.410
who probably aren't around anymore,

813
00:25:37.790 --> 00:25:40.869
they gave me a huge scholarship to study abroad,

814
00:25:41.150 --> 00:25:44.630
and that's the only way I could do the Barrett Summer study abroad program.

815
00:25:45.459 --> 00:25:45.859
So,

816
00:25:46.209 --> 00:25:46.300
did,

817
00:25:46.420 --> 00:25:47.969
was she able to get the records for you?

818
00:25:48.099 --> 00:25:48.739
She hasn't yet,

819
00:25:48.780 --> 00:25:49.219
but I haven't,

820
00:25:49.300 --> 00:25:50.180
I've been busy

821
00:25:50.390 --> 00:25:51.339
tracking down other things,

822
00:25:51.459 --> 00:25:51.859
but,

823
00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:53.420
Yeah,

824
00:25:53.540 --> 00:25:54.420
I think it's important.

825
00:25:54.540 --> 00:25:55.859
I don't think that I,

826
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:58.160
I think a lot of students are here because of

827
00:25:58.380 --> 00:25:59.640
a lot of people,

828
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:01.640
and I think it would be really nice

829
00:26:01.900 --> 00:26:03.680
to be able to give back

830
00:26:04.060 --> 00:26:05.280
whenever they can.

831
00:26:05.939 --> 00:26:07.280
I met with Barrett students,

832
00:26:07.459 --> 00:26:08.099
other Barrett,

833
00:26:08.130 --> 00:26:08.260
really,

834
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:09.719
really young alumni in,

835
00:26:09.739 --> 00:26:10.130
um,

836
00:26:10.180 --> 00:26:11.849
New York City two years ago,

837
00:26:12.020 --> 00:26:13.839
two or a summer and a half ago,

838
00:26:14.300 --> 00:26:15.520
2017 maybe.

839
00:26:16.630 --> 00:26:17.959
Adrian Monaco and.

840
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.439
Oh yeah,

841
00:26:18.569 --> 00:26:19.890
and I met all of them then.

842
00:26:20.150 --> 00:26:20.670
And I said,

843
00:26:20.729 --> 00:26:20.959
you know,

844
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:21.739
you're not,

845
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:24.750
you're not too young to start paying it forward.

846
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:25.439
Like it's,

847
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:26.760
you're just like me.

848
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.119
I'm just 10 years older than you.

849
00:26:28.199 --> 00:26:30.239
I'm not actually more successful than you.

850
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:31.780
I don't actually have even

851
00:26:32.479 --> 00:26:33.619
more to say for myself,

852
00:26:33.760 --> 00:26:33.880
right?

853
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:34.260
Like they,

854
00:26:34.579 --> 00:26:36.540
philanthropy really can belong to everyone.

855
00:26:37.479 --> 00:26:38.880
And I'm a fundraising consultant.

856
00:26:38.959 --> 00:26:40.699
That's what I do now for a living.

857
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:41.819
Um,

858
00:26:41.959 --> 00:26:43.099
and so I really,

859
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:44.900
I think it's important to

860
00:26:45.270 --> 00:26:45.680
give back,

861
00:26:45.760 --> 00:26:46.760
but I also think.

862
00:26:47.390 --> 00:26:48.630
It's important to do it,

863
00:26:48.949 --> 00:26:50.310
not when you arrive,

864
00:26:50.449 --> 00:26:50.589
right?

865
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:51.180
Like you,

866
00:26:51.510 --> 00:26:53.250
you don't have to put it off until

867
00:26:53.589 --> 00:26:54.339
you're a millionaire.

868
00:26:54.430 --> 00:26:55.849
You can start doing it now.

869
00:26:58.209 --> 00:26:59.569
What do you think you learned from

870
00:26:59.569 --> 00:27:02.010
Barrett that you couldn't have learned somewhere else

871
00:27:02.010 --> 00:27:04.810
or what thing that did Barrett specifically

872
00:27:04.810 --> 00:27:06.869
help you with that you've brought into your

873
00:27:07.290 --> 00:27:07.680
career?

874
00:27:07.810 --> 00:27:12.589
I really didn't understand how cool and sexy it could be to be so smart.

875
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:13.369
I mean,

876
00:27:13.489 --> 00:27:14.829
I really felt.

877
00:27:16.069 --> 00:27:17.030
That I want,

878
00:27:17.069 --> 00:27:19.790
I didn't want to be a nerd and it wouldn't have occurred to me

879
00:27:19.790 --> 00:27:24.969
to apply to the honors college and I'm so grateful I finished my ASU experience

880
00:27:25.150 --> 00:27:29.369
as an undergrad in the honors college but then worked for the honors college because

881
00:27:30.030 --> 00:27:31.939
they're just really great people.

882
00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:33.560
They're really interesting people.

883
00:27:33.589 --> 00:27:34.410
It's not.

884
00:27:35.260 --> 00:27:36.750
It's not like it used to be.

885
00:27:37.229 --> 00:27:37.670
I don't know.

886
00:27:37.829 --> 00:27:38.459
Smart is,

887
00:27:38.469 --> 00:27:39.650
is really cool now.

888
00:27:40.349 --> 00:27:43.479
And I like being smart and I like being around smart people.

889
00:27:44.760 --> 00:27:46.680
Did your views on Barrett change from the time you

890
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.880
were a student to the time you were a staffer?

891
00:27:49.109 --> 00:27:49.599
Oh yeah,

892
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:49.880
I mean,

893
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:50.819
I think you get

894
00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.790
in the nitty gritty as a staff person,

895
00:27:52.910 --> 00:27:53.109
you know,

896
00:27:53.199 --> 00:27:53.430
I mean,

897
00:27:53.459 --> 00:27:56.829
I see people now who work here and I didn't like them at all when I worked with them,

898
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:57.959
but I like them fine now,

899
00:27:58.050 --> 00:27:58.199
you know,

900
00:27:58.209 --> 00:27:59.479
I don't have to report to them,

901
00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:00.339
so.

902
00:28:00.800 --> 00:28:01.000
Yeah,

903
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:01.319
I mean,

904
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:01.560
you,

905
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.859
you know things as a staff member that you just don't know as a student.

906
00:28:06.239 --> 00:28:06.790
So,

907
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:07.719
but I really,

908
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:08.329
I,

909
00:28:08.560 --> 00:28:10.900
I had a really unique experience.

910
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.199
I had been a student for Ted and Janet,

911
00:28:13.239 --> 00:28:17.170
and they had been the ones who offered me the job and convinced me to take it.

912
00:28:17.439 --> 00:28:18.239
But then that,

913
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:20.989
so it made sense that they gave me a lot of things.

914
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:21.599
Like I walked in.

915
00:28:21.655 --> 00:28:22.055
And said,

916
00:28:22.135 --> 00:28:22.295
oh,

917
00:28:22.375 --> 00:28:23.574
this cultural encounters thing,

918
00:28:23.614 --> 00:28:24.175
we should do this.

919
00:28:24.255 --> 00:28:24.614
And they said,

920
00:28:24.655 --> 00:28:24.935
yes,

921
00:28:25.135 --> 00:28:25.334
do it,

922
00:28:25.354 --> 00:28:26.314
and we'll pay you to do it.

923
00:28:26.775 --> 00:28:27.194
That's,

924
00:28:27.295 --> 00:28:27.714
that's,

925
00:28:27.854 --> 00:28:29.255
that wasn't what everybody had.

926
00:28:29.535 --> 00:28:31.494
Like I knew that even then as a staff member.

927
00:28:31.574 --> 00:28:34.234
Like not everybody as a staff member could walk in with an idea,

928
00:28:34.694 --> 00:28:37.114
and they'd pay you more to create something.

929
00:28:37.604 --> 00:28:39.614
And I didn't even have my master's degree then,

930
00:28:39.814 --> 00:28:42.055
so I was teaching without even a master's.

931
00:28:42.135 --> 00:28:42.474
Um.

932
00:28:43.150 --> 00:28:44.479
But it was a one credit hour class.

933
00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:46.469
But then it stayed that way,

934
00:28:46.479 --> 00:28:47.900
even though Mark and Peggy

935
00:28:48.040 --> 00:28:50.229
hadn't been my deans as a student.

936
00:28:50.719 --> 00:28:52.339
So it was a really neat

937
00:28:52.609 --> 00:28:53.260
place

938
00:28:53.479 --> 00:28:56.829
as a young professional to have ideas,

939
00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:58.479
and they said yes to them.

940
00:28:58.560 --> 00:28:58.760
I mean,

941
00:28:58.800 --> 00:29:01.060
they said yes all of the time to me.

942
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.880
It was really neat.

943
00:29:03.239 --> 00:29:04.109
One time.

944
00:29:05.020 --> 00:29:05.660
Um,

945
00:29:05.979 --> 00:29:07.920
Regina Mattos was over,

946
00:29:08.060 --> 00:29:11.199
she worked in student services at the honors program in business.

947
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:12.930
They don't have that division anymore,

948
00:29:12.979 --> 00:29:13.520
but

949
00:29:14.219 --> 00:29:15.579
she came over and she said to me,

950
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:18.020
we have an honors study abroad program this summer

951
00:29:18.020 --> 00:29:20.060
to the south of France and to Glasgow,

952
00:29:20.260 --> 00:29:20.680
Scotland,

953
00:29:21.099 --> 00:29:22.219
and I was going to go,

954
00:29:22.300 --> 00:29:24.099
but I'm pregnant with my first child.

955
00:29:24.380 --> 00:29:25.339
Can you go?

956
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:26.380
And I said,

957
00:29:26.859 --> 00:29:27.500
really?

958
00:29:28.339 --> 00:29:28.569
So,

959
00:29:28.579 --> 00:29:31.810
you're going to pay me to go to Europe with ASU students?

960
00:29:32.219 --> 00:29:32.609
So,

961
00:29:32.660 --> 00:29:33.010
she said,

962
00:29:33.069 --> 00:29:33.430
yeah,

963
00:29:33.619 --> 00:29:34.650
can you go?

964
00:29:34.660 --> 00:29:35.709
And so I said,

965
00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:36.310
sure.

966
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:37.780
And then I negotiated.

967
00:29:37.979 --> 00:29:39.089
You can ask Kristen Nelson.

968
00:29:39.140 --> 00:29:39.770
She'll probably be like,

969
00:29:39.819 --> 00:29:40.020
oh,

970
00:29:40.060 --> 00:29:40.439
yeah.

971
00:29:40.780 --> 00:29:41.219
I said,

972
00:29:41.339 --> 00:29:42.060
I went in and I said,

973
00:29:42.099 --> 00:29:42.219
well,

974
00:29:42.260 --> 00:29:43.810
I have to go to Europe for 4 weeks.

975
00:29:43.900 --> 00:29:45.920
They'd cleared this with the deans that I can go.

976
00:29:46.630 --> 00:29:46.880
Um,

977
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:47.479
in the summer,

978
00:29:47.589 --> 00:29:49.699
but because I'm basically working

979
00:29:49.959 --> 00:29:52.000
all of the time for 4 weeks,

980
00:29:52.239 --> 00:29:54.959
I need to have a month off paid after that.

981
00:29:55.439 --> 00:29:57.079
So I went to Europe for 4 weeks,

982
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:59.829
and some of those students I'm really close with still.

983
00:30:00.189 --> 00:30:00.319
Um,

984
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.400
I was in the south of France for 1 week in Glasgow,

985
00:30:02.560 --> 00:30:03.359
Scotland for 3 weeks,

986
00:30:03.439 --> 00:30:04.640
and then I rented an apartment in.

987
00:30:04.750 --> 00:30:08.550
Paris for the whole next month and like had paid paid time off.

988
00:30:09.339 --> 00:30:11.579
But I asked for a lot when I worked here.

989
00:30:11.670 --> 00:30:12.530
I pushed

990
00:30:12.790 --> 00:30:13.689
constantly

991
00:30:13.910 --> 00:30:15.290
and it's a completely different

992
00:30:15.859 --> 00:30:16.270
school now.

993
00:30:16.310 --> 00:30:18.510
It's so much bigger than when I worked here.

994
00:30:18.670 --> 00:30:20.260
Is there anything else that you're really,

995
00:30:20.349 --> 00:30:22.729
really surprised that they said yes to?

996
00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:26.469
Um,

997
00:30:27.510 --> 00:30:29.650
I worked from San Diego one summer

998
00:30:30.150 --> 00:30:30.930
because I said,

999
00:30:31.589 --> 00:30:31.920
I can't,

1000
00:30:31.989 --> 00:30:33.500
it's too hot in the summer.

1001
00:30:33.910 --> 00:30:36.050
I've got to be able to work from San Diego

1002
00:30:36.050 --> 00:30:38.510
and Mark was really irritated and he was like,

1003
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.219
oh,

1004
00:30:39.430 --> 00:30:40.209
Addie,

1005
00:30:40.709 --> 00:30:41.209
fine,

1006
00:30:41.310 --> 00:30:42.780
but you've got to be on your email,

1007
00:30:42.869 --> 00:30:43.979
you've gotta be working,

1008
00:30:43.989 --> 00:30:45.219
and so I did that.

1009
00:30:45.270 --> 00:30:45.989
I was surprised.

1010
00:30:46.069 --> 00:30:47.339
That was kind of my last summer.

1011
00:30:47.390 --> 00:30:48.349
They'd kind of had it.

1012
00:30:48.589 --> 00:30:50.650
I was constantly asking for time off

1013
00:30:51.030 --> 00:30:52.729
because I like to travel so much.

1014
00:30:53.910 --> 00:30:54.310
So no,

1015
00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:55.109
I think they,

1016
00:30:55.390 --> 00:30:56.969
I think it was a really unique

1017
00:30:57.859 --> 00:30:59.000
place for me to ask

1018
00:30:59.589 --> 00:31:00.170
for things,

1019
00:31:00.390 --> 00:31:01.979
but I think it worked out in everyone's favor.

1020
00:31:02.069 --> 00:31:05.770
I don't feel now that it wasn't a big contribution.

1021
00:31:05.949 --> 00:31:07.109
I look at it now and I go,

1022
00:31:07.189 --> 00:31:08.949
look what you've done with my ideas.

1023
00:31:09.060 --> 00:31:09.880
This is great.

1024
00:31:10.469 --> 00:31:11.050
So,

1025
00:31:11.910 --> 00:31:13.709
what do you think of the initiatives you

1026
00:31:13.709 --> 00:31:16.510
started has had the biggest impact on Barrett?

1027
00:31:17.150 --> 00:31:17.349
Oh,

1028
00:31:17.430 --> 00:31:18.930
I think great American cities.

1029
00:31:19.709 --> 00:31:20.140
Yeah.

1030
00:31:20.390 --> 00:31:20.630
I mean,

1031
00:31:20.670 --> 00:31:21.750
that's what Mark tells me.

1032
00:31:21.869 --> 00:31:23.829
He goes around and talks to other honors colleges,

1033
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.219
and they all want something like that.

1034
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:28.550
Because I think people realize

1035
00:31:28.869 --> 00:31:32.130
how inequitable it is if you cannot travel.

1036
00:31:32.349 --> 00:31:35.160
Like you can sit in the same classes and you can read the same things,

1037
00:31:35.170 --> 00:31:36.829
and you can learn the same science,

1038
00:31:37.030 --> 00:31:38.949
but if you've never left here,

1039
00:31:39.390 --> 00:31:43.589
you don't have access in the same way that people whose parents have.

1040
00:31:43.704 --> 00:31:46.385
The ability to take them around and expose them to things.

1041
00:31:46.625 --> 00:31:47.635
It's just very different.

1042
00:31:47.984 --> 00:31:50.765
So I think it makes it more equitable when you have

1043
00:31:51.155 --> 00:31:52.344
travel opportunities.

1044
00:31:52.425 --> 00:31:55.364
It really it makes the playing field more,

1045
00:31:55.505 --> 00:31:56.224
more even,

1046
00:31:56.385 --> 00:31:56.895
more equal.

1047
00:31:57.064 --> 00:32:00.844
You talked about the accessibility gap between foreign and domestic travel.

1048
00:32:01.260 --> 00:32:01.390
Uh,

1049
00:32:01.589 --> 00:32:04.369
so in the years since you founded the Great American Cities Project,

1050
00:32:04.989 --> 00:32:06.829
have you seen that gap begin to narrow,

1051
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.349
not only here at Barrett,

1052
00:32:08.560 --> 00:32:08.670
uh,

1053
00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:09.329
but perhaps,

1054
00:32:09.550 --> 00:32:09.670
you know,

1055
00:32:09.869 --> 00:32:10.910
statewide or nationwide?

1056
00:32:10.949 --> 00:32:11.310
And if so,

1057
00:32:11.420 --> 00:32:12.550
what have you done to try to get other

1058
00:32:12.550 --> 00:32:15.189
honors programs to replicate the success of that program?

1059
00:32:16.569 --> 00:32:17.229
You know,

1060
00:32:17.530 --> 00:32:17.689
I,

1061
00:32:17.770 --> 00:32:18.489
when I travel now,

1062
00:32:18.530 --> 00:32:19.089
I'm just,

1063
00:32:19.209 --> 00:32:19.390
I mean,

1064
00:32:19.439 --> 00:32:21.599
there's so many more people who can travel

1065
00:32:21.770 --> 00:32:23.689
than when I was younger.

1066
00:32:25.709 --> 00:32:27.449
And I haven't tried to replicate it.

1067
00:32:27.550 --> 00:32:29.709
I've thought about it even in the town I live in now.

1068
00:32:29.869 --> 00:32:33.469
Could I go to the college and convince them to do something like this?

1069
00:32:33.510 --> 00:32:34.790
And I just don't have the energy.

1070
00:32:34.849 --> 00:32:38.010
It's different when you really work in the building and you know the students.

1071
00:32:38.020 --> 00:32:39.449
And you really want to be with them.

1072
00:32:39.630 --> 00:32:39.880
Um-hum.

1073
00:32:40.109 --> 00:32:40.670
Um,

1074
00:32:41.869 --> 00:32:42.160
But no,

1075
00:32:42.239 --> 00:32:42.560
I don't,

1076
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:42.829
I,

1077
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.599
I think travel is more equitable now in the country,

1078
00:32:45.709 --> 00:32:49.560
but I don't think travel for travel's sake is the aim of the program.

1079
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:52.140
I think when you go with an informed staff member

1080
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.560
and you have a specific itinerary,

1081
00:32:54.810 --> 00:32:57.339
that that's more valuable than just being a tourist,

1082
00:32:57.760 --> 00:32:58.280
so.

1083
00:32:58.354 --> 00:33:00.035
I do think that more people travel,

1084
00:33:00.155 --> 00:33:04.114
but do they still all eat at Starbucks and McDonald's and Chili's?

1085
00:33:04.675 --> 00:33:05.814
Unfortunately,

1086
00:33:06.194 --> 00:33:06.395
um,

1087
00:33:06.515 --> 00:33:07.744
I don't know that people,

1088
00:33:08.155 --> 00:33:09.515
because they can afford a plane ticket,

1089
00:33:09.635 --> 00:33:09.875
can,

1090
00:33:10.035 --> 00:33:12.694
can afford the mental expansion necessary

1091
00:33:13.474 --> 00:33:14.775
to really be a traveler.

1092
00:33:17.150 --> 00:33:18.819
If someone came to you and wanted to,

1093
00:33:18.829 --> 00:33:19.140
uh,

1094
00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:21.650
replicate the program let's say a different honors college,

1095
00:33:22.310 --> 00:33:22.540
uh,

1096
00:33:22.550 --> 00:33:23.510
what would you recommend doing?

1097
00:33:23.589 --> 00:33:25.089
What attributes do you think,

1098
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:25.630
um,

1099
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:26.060
you know,

1100
00:33:26.189 --> 00:33:28.810
lead to success in a program like this if you're heading that program?

1101
00:33:29.729 --> 00:33:29.930
Well,

1102
00:33:29.969 --> 00:33:33.109
I think you need someone who really knows the students to run it,

1103
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:33.329
you know,

1104
00:33:33.369 --> 00:33:33.810
I wasn't,

1105
00:33:33.910 --> 00:33:36.609
I was in events and I wasn't even in student services.

1106
00:33:36.650 --> 00:33:38.640
We didn't have all the same categories that you have now,

1107
00:33:38.849 --> 00:33:39.199
but I,

1108
00:33:39.209 --> 00:33:40.810
because I was teaching cultural encounters,

1109
00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:42.359
I knew students really well,

1110
00:33:42.650 --> 00:33:44.550
so students wanted to be with me.

1111
00:33:44.810 --> 00:33:47.400
I was fun to be around and I was pretty young,

1112
00:33:47.489 --> 00:33:47.609
you know,

1113
00:33:47.650 --> 00:33:48.349
I wasn't.

1114
00:33:49.089 --> 00:33:49.439
I didn't.

1115
00:33:49.530 --> 00:33:50.500
I wasn't as old as him.

1116
00:33:51.410 --> 00:33:52.119
I don't know if they want to be,

1117
00:33:53.569 --> 00:33:53.650
yeah,

1118
00:33:53.729 --> 00:33:54.800
I think we're the same age,

1119
00:33:54.890 --> 00:33:55.250
so

1120
00:33:55.369 --> 00:33:56.349
they want to be with us too,

1121
00:33:56.770 --> 00:33:57.349
so.

1122
00:33:58.260 --> 00:33:58.859
Um,

1123
00:33:59.060 --> 00:34:00.000
I think you,

1124
00:34:00.939 --> 00:34:04.660
it's so important in a university setting that you have people working with

1125
00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:08.918
students in student services who really understand what it means to be a student

1126
00:34:09.100 --> 00:34:10.120
and to be

1127
00:34:10.340 --> 00:34:11.489
a mentor to them,

1128
00:34:11.500 --> 00:34:13.580
even without the title of being a mentor.

1129
00:34:13.820 --> 00:34:17.418
So this program won't work ever if you don't have good people.

1130
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:18.918
Good staff who

1131
00:34:19.438 --> 00:34:21.100
like being around young people,

1132
00:34:21.120 --> 00:34:22.840
who value their opinions,

1133
00:34:22.958 --> 00:34:24.080
who are patient,

1134
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:25.918
but also set boundaries,

1135
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:26.739
you know,

1136
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:28.679
I think that's vital to it.

1137
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.639
You could go almost anywhere and learn something interesting.

1138
00:34:31.879 --> 00:34:32.520
I also think,

1139
00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:33.949
and I hope that this is happening,

1140
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.820
I really would like it if there were volunteer.

1141
00:34:37.938 --> 00:34:39.399
Volunteer happening

1142
00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:40.418
every place,

1143
00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:40.659
you know,

1144
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:40.889
the,

1145
00:34:40.978 --> 00:34:41.550
the,

1146
00:34:41.860 --> 00:34:43.639
the homeless shelter was really

1147
00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:45.060
eye opening.

1148
00:34:45.918 --> 00:34:47.168
But it's unique to every city,

1149
00:34:47.250 --> 00:34:47.449
you know,

1150
00:34:47.570 --> 00:34:47.969
what is,

1151
00:34:48.168 --> 00:34:48.330
what,

1152
00:34:48.449 --> 00:34:50.530
how is Portland doing something different

1153
00:34:50.530 --> 00:34:52.969
than Washington DC different from Philadelphia?

1154
00:34:53.250 --> 00:34:55.320
And I also think it's a really good and

1155
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.560
unique place to interact with alumni in those places.

1156
00:34:58.969 --> 00:34:59.989
So I think

1157
00:35:00.449 --> 00:35:01.820
if Barrett's not already doing it,

1158
00:35:01.889 --> 00:35:03.040
I hope that they have,

1159
00:35:03.129 --> 00:35:03.409
you know,

1160
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.330
this group of students is going to Philadelphia and who's in Philadelphia?

1161
00:35:07.570 --> 00:35:10.649
Either parents or of current students or alumni who can have

1162
00:35:10.649 --> 00:35:13.570
an evening with these students and talk about their work and.

1163
00:35:13.989 --> 00:35:16.250
What why they live in Philadelphia and all about it

1164
00:35:16.429 --> 00:35:18.040
and then find out the major

1165
00:35:18.550 --> 00:35:23.169
kind of thing that Philadelphia is doing really well in terms of nonprofit work

1166
00:35:23.580 --> 00:35:26.770
because every city has its gem in terms of we've figured it out

1167
00:35:26.770 --> 00:35:31.250
we're we've done this with homelessness or we've done this with literacy and

1168
00:35:31.469 --> 00:35:33.050
go and see how that works

1169
00:35:33.350 --> 00:35:36.909
because without a doubt most Barrett students will sit on a board of a nonprofit

1170
00:35:36.909 --> 00:35:40.469
at some point because they will be asked and it's important that they do so

1171
00:35:40.629 --> 00:35:41.469
and so the the.

1172
00:35:41.530 --> 00:35:44.729
The sooner you can realize other communities are doing things different,

1173
00:35:44.850 --> 00:35:45.429
the better.

1174
00:35:46.139 --> 00:35:48.729
Do you believe nonprofits are the best way to get to the

1175
00:35:48.729 --> 00:35:51.729
heart of a community or get to understand that community the best?

1176
00:35:51.850 --> 00:35:52.669
I think it's

1177
00:35:52.820 --> 00:35:55.649
it's a way to access a part of the community.

1178
00:35:55.969 --> 00:35:56.590
It goes

1179
00:35:56.889 --> 00:35:57.689
back to equity.

1180
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.469
There's lots of people who are

1181
00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:03.010
mayors of cities or run big corporations who

1182
00:36:03.010 --> 00:36:05.389
don't understand how the other half live.

1183
00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:06.729
And I think that

1184
00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:09.239
in order to be a good human,

1185
00:36:09.959 --> 00:36:11.070
Whether you're just,

1186
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:11.929
you know,

1187
00:36:12.439 --> 00:36:15.340
stay in Tempe forever or go someplace out in the world,

1188
00:36:15.600 --> 00:36:18.330
you need to understand how lots of different people live

1189
00:36:18.520 --> 00:36:20.629
and how lots of different people think,

1190
00:36:21.080 --> 00:36:22.219
because you're already

1191
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:23.070
elite,

1192
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.179
like you're already at university,

1193
00:36:25.399 --> 00:36:28.459
you are doing what most people don't get to do,

1194
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.639
and you're at Barrett,

1195
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.520
and it's that's another layer.

1196
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.979
It removes you from

1197
00:36:35.510 --> 00:36:36.659
a lot of people.

1198
00:36:36.919 --> 00:36:38.699
And I think it's important.

1199
00:36:39.699 --> 00:36:41.709
To remember how other people live because

1200
00:36:42.419 --> 00:36:43.860
inevitably you're going to serve them.

1201
00:36:43.939 --> 00:36:45.260
You're going to be the CEO of a company,

1202
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:46.260
you're going to start your own company,

1203
00:36:46.340 --> 00:36:47.379
you're going to run a nonprofit,

1204
00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:48.409
you're going to run for mayor,

1205
00:36:48.459 --> 00:36:49.719
you're going to run for governor.

1206
00:36:50.500 --> 00:36:52.679
You can't lose access to

1207
00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:54.860
the population at large.

1208
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:00.360
What do you believe you do now to continue like connecting with the community?

1209
00:37:00.699 --> 00:37:00.810
Well,

1210
00:37:00.979 --> 00:37:04.439
because I own my own company and all I do is fundraising consulting.

1211
00:37:04.530 --> 00:37:06.840
I do a little travel writing too because it's a really great

1212
00:37:07.060 --> 00:37:07.419
gig,

1213
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:08.199
but um.

1214
00:37:09.080 --> 00:37:10.330
I think that

1215
00:37:10.469 --> 00:37:15.030
I have found the perfect way to kind of be a life coach.

1216
00:37:15.139 --> 00:37:17.010
So nonprofits hire me

1217
00:37:17.270 --> 00:37:19.169
to teach their board of directors

1218
00:37:19.270 --> 00:37:22.530
and or their volunteers or their executive director

1219
00:37:22.790 --> 00:37:23.780
how to fundraise,

1220
00:37:24.070 --> 00:37:28.149
whether it's the very beginnings of this is how many times in all the ways.

1221
00:37:28.330 --> 00:37:30.790
Thank a donor in a given calendar year

1222
00:37:31.129 --> 00:37:31.750
to

1223
00:37:32.330 --> 00:37:33.969
running a big capital campaign.

1224
00:37:34.010 --> 00:37:37.270
Like we have to raise $10 million we have this much time.

1225
00:37:37.770 --> 00:37:39.850
How do you even build a gift chart around that?

1226
00:37:40.250 --> 00:37:41.790
But I like philanthropy

1227
00:37:42.010 --> 00:37:43.989
and I think that I'm changing the world

1228
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:45.489
with what I do

1229
00:37:45.850 --> 00:37:47.590
because I know for sure.

1230
00:37:48.429 --> 00:37:50.949
This group needs to raise this money to serve these people.

1231
00:37:51.459 --> 00:37:56.139
Like this group needs $5 million to build this clinic to serve these people.

1232
00:37:56.550 --> 00:37:59.489
But what this group doesn't understand is that the people

1233
00:37:59.659 --> 00:38:03.189
giving them money are fundamentally changed by that action.

1234
00:38:03.820 --> 00:38:06.530
Like your life changes when you become a donor,

1235
00:38:06.790 --> 00:38:08.409
because it stops being

1236
00:38:09.030 --> 00:38:09.969
your money.

1237
00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:10.889
And

1238
00:38:12.169 --> 00:38:12.350
I,

1239
00:38:12.449 --> 00:38:13.149
I guess it's

1240
00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:18.040
this bigger idea of like money's just always going to come to me and flow through me,

1241
00:38:18.050 --> 00:38:19.530
and I get to decide if,

1242
00:38:19.689 --> 00:38:21.909
if how I use my money

1243
00:38:22.340 --> 00:38:24.270
is for the good of society

1244
00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:25.050
or not,

1245
00:38:25.129 --> 00:38:25.370
you know,

1246
00:38:25.489 --> 00:38:26.449
and did I

1247
00:38:26.689 --> 00:38:27.830
buy boots that,

1248
00:38:28.250 --> 00:38:28.530
you know,

1249
00:38:28.649 --> 00:38:29.379
like they look good,

1250
00:38:29.469 --> 00:38:30.209
but what did they do,

1251
00:38:30.250 --> 00:38:30.620
you know,

1252
00:38:30.729 --> 00:38:31.939
like what's the point?

1253
00:38:32.449 --> 00:38:32.989
So.

1254
00:38:33.510 --> 00:38:34.780
I like doing philanthropy.

1255
00:38:34.830 --> 00:38:36.810
I like to get people to give money.

1256
00:38:37.120 --> 00:38:37.149
Um-hum.

1257
00:38:37.229 --> 00:38:39.739
And I like to see things succeed

1258
00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:42.129
in smart and interesting ways.

1259
00:38:42.429 --> 00:38:42.550
You know,

1260
00:38:42.590 --> 00:38:44.610
I'm always surprised at how.

1261
00:38:45.620 --> 00:38:49.139
Successful nonprofits can be when they just get a little bump.

1262
00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:52.239
Is it interesting to be on both sides of both the

1263
00:38:53.010 --> 00:38:54.219
donating your own money,

1264
00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:56.800
but also trying to manage people who are

1265
00:38:57.179 --> 00:38:58.780
giving their money to other nonprofits?

1266
00:38:58.860 --> 00:38:59.100
Yes,

1267
00:38:59.179 --> 00:39:00.320
I love to say,

1268
00:39:00.330 --> 00:39:00.500
you know,

1269
00:39:00.540 --> 00:39:02.159
we shouldn't shit on people.

1270
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:04.179
Nobody likes to be shit on.

1271
00:39:04.419 --> 00:39:04.929
And that,

1272
00:39:05.020 --> 00:39:05.219
you know,

1273
00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:08.020
when I talk about philanthropy and asking people for money,

1274
00:39:08.500 --> 00:39:09.239
I would say,

1275
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:10.500
we aren't the IRS.

1276
00:39:10.620 --> 00:39:12.179
They don't owe us anything.

1277
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.419
They don't have to give their money.

1278
00:39:14.706 --> 00:39:15.186
In fact,

1279
00:39:15.345 --> 00:39:18.186
there's not even a lot of incentive anymore to give your money away,

1280
00:39:18.385 --> 00:39:19.545
especially if you're middle class.

1281
00:39:19.666 --> 00:39:21.125
There's not even a write off

1282
00:39:21.305 --> 00:39:21.565
anymore.

1283
00:39:22.266 --> 00:39:22.696
So,

1284
00:39:22.746 --> 00:39:25.186
people don't have to give them their money away.

1285
00:39:25.305 --> 00:39:28.325
They can go buy another car or put it in their retirement account.

1286
00:39:28.885 --> 00:39:28.916
Um.

1287
00:39:28.986 --> 00:39:29.305
So,

1288
00:39:29.426 --> 00:39:31.645
when you approach people with reverence

1289
00:39:32.135 --> 00:39:32.825
about money,

1290
00:39:33.226 --> 00:39:34.895
then it works different than you,

1291
00:39:35.025 --> 00:39:36.345
you're wealthy.

1292
00:39:36.426 --> 00:39:37.686
You should give back.

1293
00:39:38.105 --> 00:39:38.615
And so,

1294
00:39:38.746 --> 00:39:40.775
but it makes it tricky for me as a donor,

1295
00:39:40.785 --> 00:39:43.006
because I know exactly how I want to be treated.

1296
00:39:43.426 --> 00:39:43.766
So,

1297
00:39:45.392 --> 00:39:46.711
I'm pretty clear about that.

1298
00:39:46.791 --> 00:39:47.021
I mean,

1299
00:39:47.112 --> 00:39:48.912
I tell development officers,

1300
00:39:49.231 --> 00:39:51.922
I want to be called and thanked and I want to be celebrated.

1301
00:39:52.001 --> 00:39:54.471
Like I have no qualms about the ego that I have.

1302
00:39:54.541 --> 00:39:56.622
Like it's important to me to be acknowledged.

1303
00:39:56.912 --> 00:39:58.731
This isn't an anonymous gift.

1304
00:39:59.312 --> 00:40:00.312
It has my name on it,

1305
00:40:00.431 --> 00:40:00.592
right?

1306
00:40:00.791 --> 00:40:01.201
Like I'm,

1307
00:40:02.011 --> 00:40:02.021
I,

1308
00:40:02.191 --> 00:40:03.592
but I'm really clear about that.

1309
00:40:03.751 --> 00:40:04.172
So

1310
00:40:04.431 --> 00:40:07.461
I think it makes me trickier as a donor because I,

1311
00:40:07.751 --> 00:40:08.031
I've,

1312
00:40:08.152 --> 00:40:11.082
I've given lots and lots of money away and not been thanked right,

1313
00:40:11.112 --> 00:40:12.251
and then I just stopped giving.

1314
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:14.760
Cause I don't like that.

1315
00:40:16.590 --> 00:40:17.149
So right now,

1316
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.439
we're celebrating Barrett's 30th anniversary.

1317
00:40:19.560 --> 00:40:20.199
So at

1318
00:40:20.399 --> 00:40:23.320
our 50th anniversary or at the 100th anniversary,

1319
00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:25.560
what do you think will be the legacy of the

1320
00:40:25.560 --> 00:40:28.000
projects you worked on like the Great American Cities trip?

1321
00:40:29.739 --> 00:40:30.020
Gosh,

1322
00:40:30.100 --> 00:40:30.699
I don't know.

1323
00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:34.229
I hope they continue to have all of these things and,

1324
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:34.800
um,

1325
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.939
and maybe even have sister cities,

1326
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:37.209
you know,

1327
00:40:37.419 --> 00:40:38.110
sister,

1328
00:40:38.379 --> 00:40:38.719
like

1329
00:40:39.100 --> 00:40:39.919
in other

1330
00:40:40.189 --> 00:40:43.020
cities where they could spend even more time and

1331
00:40:43.020 --> 00:40:46.139
or maybe even exchanges within the continental United States,

1332
00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:46.379
right?

1333
00:40:46.540 --> 00:40:47.929
Like instead of foreign exchanges,

1334
00:40:47.939 --> 00:40:49.399
you could do exchanges within

1335
00:40:49.860 --> 00:40:51.459
like a week or two here or there.

1336
00:40:52.340 --> 00:40:53.159
I don't know.

1337
00:40:53.580 --> 00:40:55.149
I hope that lots of people.

1338
00:40:55.879 --> 00:40:56.320
Travel,

1339
00:40:56.399 --> 00:40:59.659
but they travel in a way that exposes them

1340
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.080
to

1341
00:41:01.520 --> 00:41:02.959
how other people live and think.

1342
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:06.479
That's wonderful,

1343
00:41:06.739 --> 00:41:07.560
um.

1344
00:41:09.790 --> 00:41:12.000
Trying to look through my list of questions.

1345
00:41:12.419 --> 00:41:15.239
What do you think is the future of Barrett even in the short term?

1346
00:41:16.949 --> 00:41:17.149
Gosh,

1347
00:41:17.229 --> 00:41:18.219
I don't know.

1348
00:41:18.870 --> 00:41:21.090
I think everybody's doing such a great job.

1349
00:41:21.629 --> 00:41:22.429
Um,

1350
00:41:23.770 --> 00:41:23.969
You know,

1351
00:41:24.090 --> 00:41:24.409
I saw,

1352
00:41:24.489 --> 00:41:26.510
I saw Michael Crow speak in

1353
00:41:26.850 --> 00:41:28.560
2017 in April 2017.

1354
00:41:28.610 --> 00:41:30.570
I came for a big devil's advocate reunion,

1355
00:41:30.580 --> 00:41:32.389
and he talked a lot about

1356
00:41:32.649 --> 00:41:33.189
how

1357
00:41:33.290 --> 00:41:35.649
the university was working so hard to make this a

1358
00:41:35.649 --> 00:41:39.250
place that everyone could access and how equitable it is.

1359
00:41:39.689 --> 00:41:43.510
And so I'm curious I am always curious if the measurement is.

1360
00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:45.429
SAT scores,

1361
00:41:46.010 --> 00:41:50.310
if that really is a measurement of intellectual capacity.

1362
00:41:50.739 --> 00:41:50.770
Um-hum.

1363
00:41:50.810 --> 00:41:51.669
And if that,

1364
00:41:51.889 --> 00:41:53.379
cause Barrett is a place about,

1365
00:41:53.870 --> 00:41:54.909
about being smart,

1366
00:41:55.169 --> 00:41:55.370
right,

1367
00:41:55.409 --> 00:41:56.080
and capable,

1368
00:41:56.090 --> 00:41:56.489
and this,

1369
00:41:56.689 --> 00:41:58.149
these kinds of students.

1370
00:41:58.530 --> 00:41:59.929
But I would encourage,

1371
00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:04.149
The evolution of beyond standardized testing,

1372
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.620
how do we look at intelligence

1373
00:42:06.959 --> 00:42:07.540
and

1374
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.260
it's been here long enough that you could go back to the alumni community and say,

1375
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.800
are our graduates really the leaders we thought they would be?

1376
00:42:17.479 --> 00:42:17.669
You know,

1377
00:42:17.770 --> 00:42:19.419
are they the leaders

1378
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:20.500
in,

1379
00:42:20.550 --> 00:42:20.889
in,

1380
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.379
in terms of being smarty pants out in the community,

1381
00:42:24.560 --> 00:42:27.050
or are they community leaders and they're

1382
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:27.469
right,

1383
00:42:27.479 --> 00:42:29.459
because there's all different ways to be.

1384
00:42:29.929 --> 00:42:34.110
An adult and have a career and give back and do meaningful work.

1385
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:36.530
So is Barrett producing

1386
00:42:37.750 --> 00:42:40.530
Even equitable to say devil's advocate alumni,

1387
00:42:41.389 --> 00:42:41.820
right?

1388
00:42:42.510 --> 00:42:43.050
Have you seen

1389
00:42:43.350 --> 00:42:44.219
that in your peers?

1390
00:42:44.270 --> 00:42:46.500
Have you seen the peers that you went to Barrett with become leaders?

1391
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:47.270
Oh yeah,

1392
00:42:47.429 --> 00:42:49.409
we have super smarty pants out in the world.

1393
00:42:50.270 --> 00:42:51.290
So my friend Ryan Gleh,

1394
00:42:51.469 --> 00:42:52.350
who I went to college with,

1395
00:42:52.389 --> 00:42:53.939
who you guys should hopefully interview,

1396
00:42:54.229 --> 00:42:54.570
he's,

1397
00:42:54.669 --> 00:42:55.090
uh,

1398
00:42:55.550 --> 00:42:57.750
been in the US State Department for a long time

1399
00:42:57.750 --> 00:43:00.929
and he's now back in Saudi Arabia running a consulate.

1400
00:43:01.310 --> 00:43:04.030
He was one of the outstanding alumni a few years ago.

1401
00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:05.310
He won that award,

1402
00:43:05.729 --> 00:43:06.169
um.

1403
00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:08.679
My friend Nina Huerta,

1404
00:43:08.879 --> 00:43:11.639
she is a big deal attorney in Los Angeles,

1405
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:12.790
mommy of two,

1406
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:13.320
and

1407
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.580
really involved with the Hispanic leadership of that community.

1408
00:43:19.429 --> 00:43:20.070
So

1409
00:43:20.550 --> 00:43:22.010
sometimes I think of people and I think,

1410
00:43:22.189 --> 00:43:22.340
well,

1411
00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:25.219
are they Barrett alums or they did I know of some other ways?

1412
00:43:25.350 --> 00:43:25.530
I mean,

1413
00:43:25.540 --> 00:43:28.129
Megan Cox is really extraordinary young woman and.

1414
00:43:29.070 --> 00:43:29.310
Um-hum.

1415
00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:29.790
I don't know.

1416
00:43:29.830 --> 00:43:30.110
I don't,

1417
00:43:30.149 --> 00:43:32.899
I'm not positive that Barrett's kept in touch with our alumni as well.

1418
00:43:34.389 --> 00:43:34.659
So,

1419
00:43:35.189 --> 00:43:35.270
so,

1420
00:43:35.350 --> 00:43:37.270
I've tried to fill in the gaps here and there.

1421
00:43:37.510 --> 00:43:37.629
Um,

1422
00:43:37.750 --> 00:43:38.500
Malaya Fletcher,

1423
00:43:38.550 --> 00:43:38.729
I mean,

1424
00:43:38.790 --> 00:43:39.219
she finished,

1425
00:43:39.270 --> 00:43:39.540
I think,

1426
00:43:39.550 --> 00:43:41.310
her PhD at Columbia in public health,

1427
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:44.129
and now she kind of runs public health for Philadelphia and.

1428
00:43:44.260 --> 00:43:44.439
Um-hum.

1429
00:43:44.870 --> 00:43:47.570
She's wicked smart and just a great gal.

1430
00:43:49.209 --> 00:43:50.159
Um,

1431
00:43:50.449 --> 00:43:50.610
yeah,

1432
00:43:50.689 --> 00:43:51.330
I think,

1433
00:43:51.409 --> 00:43:52.580
I think a lot of the,

1434
00:43:53.010 --> 00:43:53.280
but then,

1435
00:43:53.330 --> 00:43:53.449
you know,

1436
00:43:53.530 --> 00:43:53.750
I,

1437
00:43:53.850 --> 00:43:55.129
I said to Mark at lunch,

1438
00:43:55.169 --> 00:43:56.889
like I don't have a fancy title.

1439
00:43:56.969 --> 00:43:58.550
I work really part time.

1440
00:43:59.379 --> 00:44:02.959
I'm not likely to be celebrated as

1441
00:44:03.219 --> 00:44:06.719
a great example of a Barrett graduate because I didn't

1442
00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:09.699
go out and do something really intellectual.

1443
00:44:09.739 --> 00:44:10.620
Like I'm not

1444
00:44:11.189 --> 00:44:11.419
typical.

1445
00:44:11.620 --> 00:44:13.139
I'm not running a state department.

1446
00:44:13.219 --> 00:44:13.560
I'm,

1447
00:44:13.979 --> 00:44:16.060
my primary goal is my 3 young children.

1448
00:44:16.100 --> 00:44:17.020
Like I'm their mom.

1449
00:44:17.330 --> 00:44:17.370
Um-hum.

1450
00:44:17.459 --> 00:44:18.649
And then I work 10 hours a week.

1451
00:44:18.699 --> 00:44:19.199
It's not.

1452
00:44:19.885 --> 00:44:20.675
That a company.

1453
00:44:20.685 --> 00:44:20.705
I mean,

1454
00:44:20.715 --> 00:44:20.725
yeah,

1455
00:44:20.735 --> 00:44:20.745
right,

1456
00:44:23.614 --> 00:44:23.794
right.

1457
00:44:23.915 --> 00:44:24.695
But that is,

1458
00:44:24.915 --> 00:44:29.175
is valuable to point out that there are probably alums who

1459
00:44:29.784 --> 00:44:30.745
are mommies,

1460
00:44:30.975 --> 00:44:32.854
but we don't want to use the word just

1461
00:44:33.475 --> 00:44:34.155
mommies

1462
00:44:34.514 --> 00:44:36.425
because they're really valuable too,

1463
00:44:36.715 --> 00:44:37.064
you know,

1464
00:44:37.235 --> 00:44:37.875
Katie Akamp,

1465
00:44:37.955 --> 00:44:38.915
I don't know if she was a Barrett,

1466
00:44:38.985 --> 00:44:39.635
but maybe she was.

1467
00:44:39.754 --> 00:44:40.314
She's,

1468
00:44:40.794 --> 00:44:41.074
I don't know,

1469
00:44:41.195 --> 00:44:42.155
she has 7 kids now,

1470
00:44:42.235 --> 00:44:45.395
but she's a professor at BYU and she's a mommy,

1471
00:44:45.425 --> 00:44:45.955
and

1472
00:44:46.354 --> 00:44:47.794
I hope she's a Barrett alumni.

1473
00:44:48.235 --> 00:44:49.655
She was an advocates with me.

1474
00:44:49.969 --> 00:44:53.639
But there's a lot of ways to measure like the value of

1475
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.909
of what you learn and do here and how you impact the world.

1476
00:44:58.080 --> 00:44:58.429
Is,

1477
00:44:58.649 --> 00:45:00.620
is there a Barrett initiative that you were not,

1478
00:45:00.850 --> 00:45:02.729
that you didn't have a hand in starting that you think

1479
00:45:02.729 --> 00:45:06.510
is doing a particularly good job of advancing Barrett's goals or

1480
00:45:06.929 --> 00:45:07.889
helping the community?

1481
00:45:08.090 --> 00:45:08.169
Well,

1482
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:10.669
I think the summer study abroad is really great.

1483
00:45:11.090 --> 00:45:13.959
I did that program when I was here and I really liked it.

1484
00:45:14.139 --> 00:45:14.860
I think that,

1485
00:45:14.899 --> 00:45:15.370
um,

1486
00:45:15.580 --> 00:45:17.860
focus on internships is really valuable.

1487
00:45:18.189 --> 00:45:18.300
Um-hum.

1488
00:45:18.340 --> 00:45:20.219
I think it should be required just

1489
00:45:20.739 --> 00:45:21.719
to travel,

1490
00:45:21.790 --> 00:45:22.179
to,

1491
00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:23.639
to have an internship

1492
00:45:23.899 --> 00:45:26.020
and even to do community service,

1493
00:45:26.270 --> 00:45:26.689
you know.

1494
00:45:26.899 --> 00:45:27.139
Um-hum.

1495
00:45:27.580 --> 00:45:29.409
And if you could do all of them at the same time,

1496
00:45:29.500 --> 00:45:29.919
that would be.

1497
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:31.250
Yeah.

1498
00:45:31.620 --> 00:45:32.699
There are ways to do that.

1499
00:45:32.750 --> 00:45:32.860
Yeah,

1500
00:45:32.979 --> 00:45:33.510
there sure are,

1501
00:45:33.540 --> 00:45:34.320
aren't there?

1502
00:45:34.939 --> 00:45:35.360
Yeah,

1503
00:45:35.540 --> 00:45:36.719
I didn't have a hand in all of that,

1504
00:45:36.899 --> 00:45:37.209
so.

1505
00:45:39.820 --> 00:45:40.159
Perfect.

1506
00:45:40.290 --> 00:45:42.649
So you said you were involved with Devil's advocates on campus.

1507
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.010
I actually did that last year on the downtown campus.

1508
00:45:45.090 --> 00:45:45.860
Oh good.

1509
00:45:46.300 --> 00:45:46.739
So

1510
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:47.939
between the two of them,

1511
00:45:48.020 --> 00:45:51.620
did one of them like impact your development as a student more,

1512
00:45:51.770 --> 00:45:54.639
or how did they develop you as a student in different ways?

1513
00:45:54.979 --> 00:45:55.100
Well,

1514
00:45:55.179 --> 00:45:57.340
I think the devil's advocate alumni group,

1515
00:45:57.459 --> 00:45:59.810
like we're all in touch with each other a lot more.

1516
00:46:00.179 --> 00:46:01.100
Barrett doesn't,

1517
00:46:01.340 --> 00:46:03.060
at least when I was a student here,

1518
00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:04.520
I didn't have.

1519
00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:07.469
A ton of time with just honor students,

1520
00:46:07.479 --> 00:46:09.520
except for the the study abroad.

1521
00:46:09.600 --> 00:46:12.239
Like I just had dinner last night with a girlfriend from my time in Europe,

1522
00:46:13.919 --> 00:46:14.389
which is funny,

1523
00:46:14.409 --> 00:46:16.040
I forgot we went on that together.

1524
00:46:16.120 --> 00:46:16.620
Um,

1525
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.199
but besides like a summer study abroad,

1526
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:20.149
you don't have,

1527
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:25.100
or I didn't have really tight bonds with my peers in the honors college.

1528
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.139
So I have much closer relationships with advocates

1529
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:31.939
from when I was in college.

1530
00:46:32.399 --> 00:46:33.100
But maybe it's.

1531
00:46:33.610 --> 00:46:35.649
Different now that you all live together and

1532
00:46:36.489 --> 00:46:36.969
have that.

1533
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:38.229
I think that's one of the,

1534
00:46:38.290 --> 00:46:38.590
the,

1535
00:46:38.610 --> 00:46:40.729
the hardest things about a huge university.

1536
00:46:41.409 --> 00:46:41.610
I mean,

1537
00:46:41.649 --> 00:46:43.850
I came to the block party and I literally saw,

1538
00:46:43.929 --> 00:46:45.520
I ran into two people I knew.

1539
00:46:45.969 --> 00:46:46.169
I mean,

1540
00:46:46.219 --> 00:46:47.350
obviously I know

1541
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.169
hundreds of people who went to school here,

1542
00:46:50.409 --> 00:46:53.570
but none of the people I saw looked familiar and I didn't go to school.

1543
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:54.719
If I went to school with them,

1544
00:46:54.729 --> 00:46:55.600
I didn't know it.

1545
00:46:56.110 --> 00:46:57.429
But when I went to the advocate reunion,

1546
00:46:57.479 --> 00:47:00.750
there were 40 or 500 people in the room and I knew solidly half of them.

1547
00:47:01.479 --> 00:47:05.110
So there was a camaraderie there that I think at a large university,

1548
00:47:05.120 --> 00:47:07.010
it's really difficult to capture,

1549
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.659
and that's why we have a hard time with alumni in general.

1550
00:47:10.330 --> 00:47:10.360
Um-hum.

1551
00:47:11.810 --> 00:47:14.500
Do you think it's important that Barrett starts to reach out more to its alumni.

1552
00:47:16.629 --> 00:47:17.239
Yes,

1553
00:47:17.520 --> 00:47:18.719
and not even ask them for money,

1554
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:20.479
just ask them how they're doing and.

1555
00:47:21.689 --> 00:47:23.149
Talk to them about their time here.

1556
00:47:24.449 --> 00:47:24.570
You know,

1557
00:47:24.649 --> 00:47:25.449
you're still in college,

1558
00:47:25.530 --> 00:47:26.290
but you'll,

1559
00:47:26.449 --> 00:47:28.360
you'll look back on college as,

1560
00:47:28.600 --> 00:47:30.250
as this moment in your life.

1561
00:47:30.330 --> 00:47:31.659
There's nothing else like it.

1562
00:47:31.729 --> 00:47:32.449
If there were,

1563
00:47:32.530 --> 00:47:34.810
I wouldn't even want this many people to go to college.

1564
00:47:35.050 --> 00:47:39.360
But there's no place else where you could take these malleable young people

1565
00:47:39.689 --> 00:47:41.570
and put them in a safe environment,

1566
00:47:41.770 --> 00:47:42.709
relatively

1567
00:47:42.969 --> 00:47:43.449
safe,

1568
00:47:43.689 --> 00:47:44.850
and have them be together.

1569
00:47:45.889 --> 00:47:47.959
And think and talk and do

1570
00:47:48.209 --> 00:47:52.050
over a course of years when your brain is still developing,

1571
00:47:52.379 --> 00:47:53.800
and then form you.

1572
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:54.409
Right?

1573
00:47:54.419 --> 00:47:57.500
If you graduate from high school and you go and work,

1574
00:47:57.770 --> 00:48:00.080
you do not have the same forming

1575
00:48:00.419 --> 00:48:03.209
that happens here in a university environment.

1576
00:48:03.540 --> 00:48:05.540
And that is really important.

1577
00:48:05.850 --> 00:48:07.860
And how can you capture that and

1578
00:48:08.459 --> 00:48:09.080
You know,

1579
00:48:09.860 --> 00:48:12.659
call alumni and have them speak to you about it.

1580
00:48:12.770 --> 00:48:12.899
You know,

1581
00:48:13.020 --> 00:48:16.580
there will be a lot of really big emotions about what it meant

1582
00:48:16.939 --> 00:48:18.560
to be in college,

1583
00:48:19.449 --> 00:48:21.600
because it is such a spectacular time in your life.

1584
00:48:22.820 --> 00:48:24.419
You won't know that for years to come,

1585
00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:25.610
but you'll remember this,

1586
00:48:26.260 --> 00:48:27.399
that I told you so.

1587
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:31.360
I think that's a pretty good place to wrap up.

1588
00:48:31.439 --> 00:48:33.459
Do either of you have any follow up questions?

1589
00:48:35.510 --> 00:48:35.929
Do you?

1590
00:48:36.429 --> 00:48:36.629
No,

1591
00:48:36.709 --> 00:48:39.929
I think you did a fabulous job of leading the interview.

1592
00:48:40.110 --> 00:48:40.540
Well done.

1593
00:48:40.870 --> 00:48:41.209
All right,

1594
00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:41.739
OK.

1595
00:48:41.989 --> 00:48:43.429
Thank you for your participation.

1596
00:48:43.510 --> 00:48:45.310
If you have any more thoughts to share later,

1597
00:48:45.389 --> 00:48:46.429
please feel free to reach out.

1598
00:48:46.550 --> 00:48:49.580
And if you have any questions about this interview or the 30th

1599
00:48:50.179 --> 00:48:51.969
anniversary oral History Project,

1600
00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:54.199
please contact Vice Dean Foot.

1601
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:55.010
OK.