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Hello,

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this is Julie Kaplan and Mira Khan interviewing Dean Mark Jacobs on November 18,

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2018 at 8:50 a.m. in Sage North in Barrett,

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the Honors College.

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This interview is a part of the Barrett Oral History Project.

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Our goal is to preserve a record of

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Barrett's history in honor of our 30th anniversary.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with us and share your experience.

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Dean Jacobs,

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you started working at Barrett in 2003.

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What brought you to Barrett?

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I was intrigued by the vision that President Crowe had

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taking an honors college that was already very good

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and making it even better in ways that

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would be related to some of the things that a good residential

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college of the sort I had been employed at

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formerly Swarthmore College,

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uh,

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can do with its students.

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both of us were interested in.

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Doing the experiment to see which good

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ideas for bright undergraduate education would transfer

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to a public honors college,

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and that was really attractive.

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And how has Barrett changed since when you first got here to now?

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It's changed in almost every way you can imagine.

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It's gotten bigger in numbers of students,

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way bigger in square footage of facilities,

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way bigger in terms of coverage on all four campuses.

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Hopefully,

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people would judge it

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also getting way better

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as a place for bright undergraduates to

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get their education with much better advising,

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hundreds more honors courses

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available compared to 2003,

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Scores more opportunities abroad

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and for travel within the United States,

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um,

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more thesis

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being done,

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more thesis advisors,

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uh,

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weighing in and helping the honor students,

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a much larger faculty

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for Barrett itself,

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which had to grow as we grew in size because we wanted to keep the

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ratio of,

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Human events students to human event teachers the same as they had always been,

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so it's,

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it's almost every way conceivable,

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it's changed.

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So what inspired the human event honor seminar?

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that was

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present when I came.

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so my knowledge of what inspired it is only,

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stories I've been told by

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the founding dean,

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Ted Humphrey,

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but quite clearly,

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it was based on some of the great books,

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courses that you have at places like Saint John's College,

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Columbia University in New York City,

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University of Chicago.

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The the idea that studying.

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thought of previous people,

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can train students

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to think clearly and argue

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critically.

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that's the idea behind the great books courses.

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The human event was.

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taken as a course,

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starting with that premise and then

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expanding it to all civilizations,

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not just Western Civ,

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who were specialists at teaching specifically that course.

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relatively a new idea.

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your professors teach their other courses and then a section

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of a great books course,

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having a dedicated faculty solely for the human event,

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so therefore one that gets to be better and better

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with practice at exactly that kind of seminar teaching.

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Was a new idea when it started,

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but it was in place when I came,

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and the only change we've made

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really is that all the faculty were humanities PhDs when I came,

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and Peggy Nelson and I added slowly over the years

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a lot of social science PhDs and even some natural science PhDs,

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so that even if they were teaching the same piece like

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Plato's Republic,

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they'd be teaching it from different viewpoints,

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which we thought would be

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generally good for the students to have.

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And can you tell me about other honors courses that are offered?

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Other honors courses?

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there are honors courses offered

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all through the university,

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over 300 to 350 of them each semester that are

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self-standing honors courses in other departments,

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but,

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but just for honors students.

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And then there are thousands of honors contracts

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listeners to this history know what honors contracts are,

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they're a way of making a non-honors course into an honors course,

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so they depend on a contract between the professor and the student,

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having the student go through some

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extra exercise,

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usually hopefully involving a deeper understanding of the

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material and more interaction with the faculty member,

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in the process to,

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change the three non-honors credits into honors credit.

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it's 1,000s and 1,000s of courses each semester.

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So Barrett has had a large focus in the last few years on global initiatives.

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Can you talk to me about these and their significance?

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each year is assess

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how the honors college is doing

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and going back to our roots,

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so to speak,

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usually means

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starting the whole discussion by saying,

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are we giving students at Barrett the best

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education for bright undergraduates in the nation?

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We decided to have that as our guiding,

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mission

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to start meetings

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when we're trying to discuss what we really could do to make things even better.

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and although it's a little pompous to say best in the nation,

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it certainly sets our sights in the right direction.

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a year and a half years ago,

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figured on our own that this was not part of a national movement or

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a grant that the university had obtained.

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the deans of Barrett,

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just thought that it was time for Barrett students to really grapple

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with global issues in a much more concerted way,

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not only by.

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for Barrett students to go from Barrett out into the world,

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but bringing world leaders into Barrett.

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this coincided in discussions we were having with Craig and Barbara Barrett with a,

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a second,

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grant or donation they made to the Honors College of $2 million to sponsor,

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particularly the visitors that they know so well because.

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Their personal experience is on a global level politically and at a global level

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in the corporate world through Intel,

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so they have

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tons of contacts all over the world in business and politics,

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they thought it would be wise to

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support a program that brought those leaders in as well.

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we realized this was going to be a big enough program

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so that we would want to have someone running it full time.

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So we advertised a year and a half ago for.

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a director of global initiatives,

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Jason Briggs and um

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in his first year.

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all sorts of things happen.

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we doubled the number of trips abroad that are available,

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and most of them are shorter than the ones before,

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so they're,

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they're,

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cheaper and therefore more,

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more available in the sense of economically to more students at Barrett.

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and he,

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he through Barbara's and Craig's help,

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Condoleezza Rice as a speaker,

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the former president of Latvia,

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the former,

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the first female minister of defense in the world,

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which was the,

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the Minister of Defense of Finland.

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former Vice Vice President Dan Quayle.

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the city manager of the whole city of Hong Kong,

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came in to speak at the law school and Barrett.

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right away the first year we had a,

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a bevy of terrific

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female leaders of the world,

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to come and interact with the Barrett students for various,

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amounts of time.

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Va Vika Freiberga,

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the former president of Latvia,

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was here for 6 or 7 weeks with her husband,

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and we had lots of events,

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including a puck drop

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at the start of an ASU hockey game

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because two of ASU's hockey players are from Latvia.

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really terrific for the students to get exposed to

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global thinking,

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global issues that way,

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and also with um the increased number of trips.

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What makes you excited to go to work every day?

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I should probably say interviews,

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oral histories.

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I love oral histories.

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It's wonderful to be working.

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everybody has that moment when you're sitting on

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a sand cliff overlooking one of the oceans,

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having deep thoughts about what you should do in life,

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what is something that helps,

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that would help the world,

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the planet,

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the ecosystem.

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but lots of people think of it in terms of helping humans too.

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I always felt that.

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there are obvious answers like being an MD where you actually,

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or a nurse where you're actually

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literally helping people with wounds or diseases to

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stay alive or have a better life,

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but the other obvious answer is always education,

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and education at any level,

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elementary school

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through college,

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um.

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I settled on being a college teacher

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and I,

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I love interacting with bright students,

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particularly because I think

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they have a greater chance of becoming

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leaders in the country and the world,

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so

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it's easy to come to work every day when

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your whole job

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is making the education of bright students

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better and better

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and as trite as that sounds,

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that what that is what my job is.

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And it's wonderful,

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and I'm,

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I'm surrounded by terrific people who have the same

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ideals,

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and so

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you're working with people who think the same way you do.

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It's great.

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What is the value of Barrett and how do you see it changing in the future?

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The value of Barrett,

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you mean,

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for instance,

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to the state or the university?

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Yeah,

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well,

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um,

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to the university,

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it's a terrific magnet for wonderful students

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and,

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um,

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other universities

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after they saw what happened

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with ASU getting better and better students coming in because of Barrett,

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uh,

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are copying us,

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they're realizing it's a very,

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that,

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that is definitely one of the things that's positive about it,

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um,

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from my point of view.

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I don't look at it as Barrett's just helping ASU be better

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because I see the relationship as a symbiosis

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whereby

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um good students come to work with great faculty

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in great facilities that the university has built,

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um,

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but then they have the community that Barrett represents,

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and I really firmly feel.

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Um,

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uh,

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a terrific student is not going to come here

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just because there's a college built

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that

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that is sort of like a residential college or even a private one in the east or west.

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Um,

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they come also to work with Nobel Prize winning faculty,

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members of the National Academy of Sciences and Engineering,

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um,

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all the things and,

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and in terrific new facilities that

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have evolved at ASU because of mostly President Crowe in the last 15 years.

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So,

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um.

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It's,

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it's a symbiosis,

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but

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the fact that the honors college is here,

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the same students would also not come

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if the Nobel Prize winners were here,

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but there was no good structure for them,

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no support,

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no advising at multiple levels.

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I think they'd opt to go as they did from what I'm told in the 70s and 80s.

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To out of state

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colleges,

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um,

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that was where families that I'm told in Arizona

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who really cared about education sent their

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sons and daughters in the past.

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Barrett gives them an option to have a wonderful

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education

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right here in the state,

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and that

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is terrific for

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the university.

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It's terrific for the state.

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I've had many MDs and professional people tell me when I'm in their offices,

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Barrett is the reason.

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I and all of my colleagues are sending our children to

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to universities in the state,

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in the state instead of out of state at private places that cost more

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because it's gotten so good

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that we recognize it's a terrific place for them to get an education.

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So

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I think it's helped

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stymie a sort of brain drain from the state.

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It also stimulates brain gain in the sense that we're

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a 65-35% split in the student body between in-state and out of state students,

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so we're now

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attracting a lot of very good out of state students,

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and there's a lot of sociological research that shows

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that

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a percent that's higher than you would expect

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at any university has its alums come back

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and work in the geographic area of that university

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just because for those 4 years of their education they got used to the area.

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So it really

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could easily be probably is also a brain gain mechanism for the whole state

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and then not to sound too

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megalomaniacal,

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but um

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at the national and world level we are being copied.

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This is the way

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public universities all over the country and,

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and now starting to be from other countries are

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visiting us because this is the way they see.

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Is the model they should use to take

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care of their most intellectually engaged students,

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they can't reproduce a Yale or a Princeton

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in the middle of their campus,

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or if they could,

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it would be

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much,

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much too expensive and.

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By following a model

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such as Barrett with a public-private

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partnership for building

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a campus and with some of the

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approaches we have with our

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intro special course for freshmen

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thesis,

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undergraduate thesis,

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and,

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and small sections throughout,

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um.

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They see that as a valuable

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way to educate their most academically oriented students.

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So I think in all those ways we've.

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It's,

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it's a good.

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Institution.

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So to clarify,

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Barrett is an example for,

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uh,

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universities all over the world

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for an ideal honors college.

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Well,

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what we're seeing is,

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is absolute copying of Barrett all over this country.

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I mean,

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10 to 12 universities have built honors colleges

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after coming and touring Barrett

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and then building them using a lot of the ideas we've used here.

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So that's without a,

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without a doubt,

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and there have been.

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People donating money to other universities that are their alma maters,

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um,

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saying as they donate the money,

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you need to do

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all these things and it's a list of things that Barrett does

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or I won't give you the money.

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So

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there's no question it's happening in the nation,

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but we're starting to be visited by delegations from universities in China.

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Um,

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that are coming to see how we do

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this because they want to expand their honors programs

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in a way like Barrett.

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So I do think it's,

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it's a model for

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universities around the world too.

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And how does it feel to be kind of one of the builders of this?

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Feels great.

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But honestly,

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it's not great because

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people come and bow down to you and

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say you're so wonderful because you built Barrett.

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It's great because it's making the education for bright students

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at a good price available throughout the country and the world,

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you know,

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if,

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if our graduates,

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and this is true,

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go to the same graduate schools,

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professional schools as Ivy grads,

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but even if they're out of state students at half the price,

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and if they're in-state students at 1/3 the price.

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We're disrupting an industry in a very good way.

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I use that term

489
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the way industry uses it when it talks about Hyundai

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starting to make

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cars that are 80 to 90% the quality of a BMW but half the price.

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So it feels good to have an effect

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that raises the level of.

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Education for for for

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intellectually engaged students all over the place and

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one evidence of that is that both

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Northern Arizona University which switched from an honors

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program to an honors college and built a new

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honors college building that opened in the last year.

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And University of Arizona to the south

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that had always had an honors college but not

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built and operated the way Barrett is built and operates is

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now building a whole new honors campus for its honors college

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and

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changing the way it operates to

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have more of the services Barrett has.

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You could say those are rivals,

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but the way I like to look at it is the whole state

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and its level of honors education has been increased,

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and it's because of Barrett.

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Even the deans at those other places would agree.

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Can you tell me more about the Barrett undergraduate thesis?

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Sure,

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it's,

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that is not a new idea.

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Um,

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many,

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many universities,

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whether they're honors colleges or just other universities around the country,

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have

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a have an undergraduate thesis,

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but it's almost never required

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of every student except at an honors college.

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So Yale,

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Stanford,

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Harvard,

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you can,

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you can be one of the 20% of the

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students there who elect to do an undergraduate thesis.

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But 80% are not doing it and are just finishing up courses their senior year.

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Princeton does require a thesis of all of its undergrads,

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but even at Princeton,

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the

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overseers or directors of the thesis are

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very often grad students and postdocs.

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Here,

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and I think at most other honors colleges,

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the ones I visited,

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the director of a thesis is always a faculty member.

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And every merit student must do one,

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so.

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That's background.

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What it is,

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of course,

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is a sustained piece of

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research or scholarly work

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that the honor student does

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with um a professor

549
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side by side here at ASU

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and uh defends in front of a

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group that includes sometimes other

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faculty in the same area,

553
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but Barrett students also have the chance to

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bring in an outside expert from another university.

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Um.

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to whom they have to defend their thesis,

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so they're they're part of the committee and they get to ask questions too.

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So the student,

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if

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that part is elective at Barrett,

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but

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the student can elect to stand up to sort of the nation's

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standards in that field if they wish to by bringing in an expert

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from outside ASU if the expert.

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Is any more expert than the faculty at ASU,

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which isn't always the case,

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of course.

568
00:20:00.939 --> 00:20:01.930
So as a Dean,

569
00:20:01.939 --> 00:20:05.959
what opportunities to interact with Barrett's students do you cherish the most?

570
00:20:06.790 --> 00:20:07.109
Oh,

571
00:20:07.229 --> 00:20:08.729
I love family weekend.

572
00:20:08.790 --> 00:20:09.829
I love seeing

573
00:20:10.270 --> 00:20:12.719
the talent show on family weekend.

574
00:20:13.069 --> 00:20:16.229
I love homecoming cause the alums come back to the tent.

575
00:20:16.670 --> 00:20:17.030
Um,

576
00:20:17.239 --> 00:20:18.130
when I got here,

577
00:20:18.709 --> 00:20:20.310
the former dean told me that,

578
00:20:20.349 --> 00:20:20.750
um,

579
00:20:21.939 --> 00:20:22.180
He,

580
00:20:22.300 --> 00:20:23.420
he said at fall assembly,

581
00:20:23.459 --> 00:20:26.339
you better look closely because you may never see this class

582
00:20:26.540 --> 00:20:28.500
assembled again until graduation.

583
00:20:28.859 --> 00:20:31.599
And I found out when I looked into it that there weren't

584
00:20:31.979 --> 00:20:35.979
many opportunities to just see the students in a relaxed fashion.

585
00:20:36.180 --> 00:20:37.500
There weren't any really

586
00:20:37.739 --> 00:20:38.030
that,

587
00:20:38.339 --> 00:20:38.699
that

588
00:20:38.900 --> 00:20:39.780
had existed before.

589
00:20:39.939 --> 00:20:40.640
So I started

590
00:20:41.060 --> 00:20:45.050
this monthly lunch with the dean or breakfast with the dean series,

591
00:20:45.260 --> 00:20:47.180
which I've done for 15 years.

592
00:20:47.609 --> 00:20:53.130
And although the number of students coming to it is only 1212 or 14 or so,

593
00:20:53.489 --> 00:20:56.800
it's a wonderful chance to have an hour to an hour and a half

594
00:20:57.250 --> 00:21:01.209
just talking to students over a meal about anything they want to talk about

595
00:21:01.569 --> 00:21:02.890
that could make Barrett better.

596
00:21:02.969 --> 00:21:06.170
We've got lots of great suggestions that have come from those meals

597
00:21:06.609 --> 00:21:09.079
or that they just want to say

598
00:21:09.369 --> 00:21:11.089
is a good feature and we hope we keep it,

599
00:21:11.209 --> 00:21:11.670
but

600
00:21:12.250 --> 00:21:13.910
those have been wonderful times.

601
00:21:14.410 --> 00:21:15.089
And then I,

602
00:21:15.170 --> 00:21:15.359
I mean,

603
00:21:15.410 --> 00:21:16.010
I teach

604
00:21:16.209 --> 00:21:17.290
two courses a year.

605
00:21:17.660 --> 00:21:18.130
Um,

606
00:21:18.170 --> 00:21:21.339
a course to first semester freshman on leadership with

607
00:21:21.819 --> 00:21:23.380
Dean of Students Kristen Herman,

608
00:21:23.449 --> 00:21:23.920
which is,

609
00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:28.300
it's wonderful to see students in their first semester at college,

610
00:21:28.579 --> 00:21:29.540
and then I teach,

611
00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:29.800
uh,

612
00:21:29.810 --> 00:21:32.859
an upper level course on the history and evolution of human food,

613
00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:34.650
mostly to juniors and seniors,

614
00:21:34.699 --> 00:21:35.040
and

615
00:21:35.540 --> 00:21:36.089
we have,

616
00:21:36.140 --> 00:21:36.569
um,

617
00:21:36.819 --> 00:21:37.709
because it's about food,

618
00:21:37.780 --> 00:21:40.160
we have a dinner at my house at the end of that,

619
00:21:40.540 --> 00:21:40.900
um.

620
00:21:41.489 --> 00:21:42.270
That's wonderful

621
00:21:42.689 --> 00:21:42.959
to,

622
00:21:43.369 --> 00:21:44.239
to that,

623
00:21:44.260 --> 00:21:47.290
and that gives us a chance for a whole evening to get to know students better,

624
00:21:47.530 --> 00:21:48.729
but it's by the end of the course,

625
00:21:48.810 --> 00:21:50.150
so I know them already.

626
00:21:50.689 --> 00:21:51.010
Um,

627
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:51.790
and then we,

628
00:21:52.010 --> 00:21:55.829
we've arranged a culinary class at Vincent's on Camelback

629
00:21:56.170 --> 00:21:56.989
for about

630
00:21:57.099 --> 00:21:58.790
15 students a year

631
00:21:59.209 --> 00:21:59.750
with the

632
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:03.270
collaboration and support of Vincent and his wife,

633
00:22:03.689 --> 00:22:03.959
uh,

634
00:22:03.969 --> 00:22:04.609
Levonne,

635
00:22:04.949 --> 00:22:05.329
um.

636
00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:10.180
That teaches students culinary skills from a French chef's point of view.

637
00:22:11.109 --> 00:22:11.920
Bechamel sauce,

638
00:22:12.010 --> 00:22:12.199
this,

639
00:22:12.239 --> 00:22:12.540
you know,

640
00:22:12.800 --> 00:22:13.849
pastry making,

641
00:22:14.170 --> 00:22:14.599
and it,

642
00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:15.839
I don't go to all those,

643
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:16.800
but I get to

644
00:22:17.050 --> 00:22:18.310
talk to the students who do,

645
00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.430
and we have a big dinner at the end of that.

646
00:22:20.800 --> 00:22:21.859
That's also very

647
00:22:22.069 --> 00:22:22.689
pleasant

648
00:22:22.800 --> 00:22:23.520
to take part in.

649
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:23.890
So,

650
00:22:24.040 --> 00:22:24.319
I mean,

651
00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:24.979
anytime

652
00:22:25.270 --> 00:22:26.900
I think that you're interacting

653
00:22:27.239 --> 00:22:27.880
with the students,

654
00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:28.520
it's a pleasure.

655
00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:29.819
That's what we're here for.

656
00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:30.479
I mean,

657
00:22:30.560 --> 00:22:30.790
if we,

658
00:22:30.910 --> 00:22:32.219
if we're here to make education.

659
00:22:33.430 --> 00:22:33.969
Of them

660
00:22:34.310 --> 00:22:34.969
better,

661
00:22:35.589 --> 00:22:38.550
why wouldn't you want to be interacting with the students all the time?

662
00:22:38.829 --> 00:22:42.189
And now my daughter is a senior in high school and applying to college.

663
00:22:42.310 --> 00:22:42.739
So

664
00:22:43.109 --> 00:22:44.689
what's happening now is I,

665
00:22:44.849 --> 00:22:46.420
even more than I ever did before,

666
00:22:46.430 --> 00:22:47.420
I see the,

667
00:22:47.709 --> 00:22:48.660
the students as,

668
00:22:48.709 --> 00:22:50.859
as if they were sons and daughters,

669
00:22:51.069 --> 00:22:51.770
and that's how

670
00:22:52.189 --> 00:22:54.469
the former vice dean and I have always felt.

671
00:22:55.329 --> 00:22:55.829
Um,

672
00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:56.369
and,

673
00:22:56.380 --> 00:22:57.459
and the dean of students,

674
00:22:57.540 --> 00:22:57.979
Kristen,

675
00:22:58.140 --> 00:22:58.839
we all feel

676
00:22:59.500 --> 00:23:00.060
as if,

677
00:23:00.140 --> 00:23:00.300
uh,

678
00:23:00.430 --> 00:23:01.599
at many times we're,

679
00:23:01.900 --> 00:23:06.650
we're charting a course that would be good for our own kids if we had them

680
00:23:07.099 --> 00:23:07.979
at that age.

681
00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.449
What does the future of Barrett look like?

682
00:23:13.140 --> 00:23:15.880
I think it's very good for some of the same reasons

683
00:23:16.089 --> 00:23:17.359
that I was talking about

684
00:23:17.619 --> 00:23:17.640
um

685
00:23:18.300 --> 00:23:19.459
as reasons we

686
00:23:19.750 --> 00:23:22.319
we're an intriguing model for the nation.

687
00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:24.300
I think we've had.

688
00:23:25.329 --> 00:23:28.839
We've had hundreds more applications every year

689
00:23:29.060 --> 00:23:31.479
compared to the year before for at least

690
00:23:31.739 --> 00:23:33.219
the last 12 years,

691
00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:35.479
and this is in the context of

692
00:23:35.979 --> 00:23:37.339
colleges all over the nation.

693
00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:38.459
If you read the

694
00:23:39.010 --> 00:23:41.890
one of the September issues of the Chronicle of Higher Education,

695
00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:45.780
usually a headline on the first page for the last 2 years it has been.

696
00:23:46.270 --> 00:23:49.790
That freshman enrollment goals were not met

697
00:23:50.180 --> 00:23:54.380
by half of the 400 to 500 small colleges in the country,

698
00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:54.780
so

699
00:23:54.949 --> 00:23:56.489
it's not

700
00:23:56.650 --> 00:23:57.040
necessarily

701
00:23:57.339 --> 00:23:58.459
the case that everybody,

702
00:23:58.540 --> 00:24:01.209
every university or honors college is doing well,

703
00:24:01.420 --> 00:24:02.920
but if we're having that

704
00:24:03.260 --> 00:24:05.739
and we're staying roughly the same size,

705
00:24:06.099 --> 00:24:06.280
um,

706
00:24:06.459 --> 00:24:07.599
we're getting to be,

707
00:24:07.900 --> 00:24:08.489
we have,

708
00:24:08.540 --> 00:24:08.699
you know,

709
00:24:08.800 --> 00:24:11.160
even more select students each year.

710
00:24:11.530 --> 00:24:11.630
Um,

711
00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:13.959
I think the future should include.

712
00:24:14.459 --> 00:24:18.250
The development of Barrett at the other three ASU campuses

713
00:24:18.790 --> 00:24:21.609
because it's not the same level of facility,

714
00:24:22.069 --> 00:24:22.380
uh,

715
00:24:22.430 --> 00:24:23.060
extent,

716
00:24:23.069 --> 00:24:23.810
at least,

717
00:24:24.030 --> 00:24:24.550
and maybe,

718
00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:24.880
well,

719
00:24:25.060 --> 00:24:27.189
the quality is terrific at the other places,

720
00:24:27.339 --> 00:24:28.050
brand new

721
00:24:28.550 --> 00:24:29.310
dining halls,

722
00:24:29.430 --> 00:24:31.109
brand new sports complexes,

723
00:24:31.150 --> 00:24:32.310
and new res halls,

724
00:24:32.630 --> 00:24:35.329
but I'd like to have the Barrett community be,

725
00:24:35.770 --> 00:24:36.170
um,

726
00:24:36.189 --> 00:24:37.660
developed more at each of those,

727
00:24:37.829 --> 00:24:38.180
and I,

728
00:24:38.229 --> 00:24:39.170
I think it will,

729
00:24:39.510 --> 00:24:39.869
um.

730
00:24:41.280 --> 00:24:41.949
And then.

731
00:24:43.630 --> 00:24:48.150
I think the prognosis is very good for Barrett in particular.

732
00:24:48.550 --> 00:24:49.099
We have,

733
00:24:49.390 --> 00:24:51.670
we're taking part in Campaign 2020.

734
00:24:52.270 --> 00:24:53.010
We have many

735
00:24:53.589 --> 00:24:55.599
friends and donors who are giving us

736
00:24:56.270 --> 00:24:59.670
funds to keep supporting us as we expand programs.

737
00:24:59.869 --> 00:25:03.449
We could only do an expansion like the global initiatives because we had

738
00:25:03.829 --> 00:25:05.250
funds to do that with,

739
00:25:05.469 --> 00:25:05.969
and

740
00:25:07.229 --> 00:25:10.869
the future looks good for continued funds to do continued good work.

741
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.729
Can you talk to me a little bit about what the Barrett

742
00:25:16.069 --> 00:25:17.650
residential campus looks like?

743
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:19.959
Well,

744
00:25:20.040 --> 00:25:21.680
it's different on each campus.

745
00:25:22.040 --> 00:25:22.670
At Tempe,

746
00:25:22.709 --> 00:25:22.920
it's,

747
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.619
it's the most extensive,

748
00:25:25.130 --> 00:25:27.500
and we have 1700 beds

749
00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:31.089
in the campus we built that opened in 2009.

750
00:25:31.780 --> 00:25:32.930
And those beds

751
00:25:33.189 --> 00:25:34.930
were designed to be for

752
00:25:35.150 --> 00:25:36.469
every year student

753
00:25:36.709 --> 00:25:38.069
from freshman through senior.

754
00:25:38.469 --> 00:25:39.449
So there are,

755
00:25:39.510 --> 00:25:40.020
um,

756
00:25:40.030 --> 00:25:43.569
in some of the res halls along rural road,

757
00:25:43.829 --> 00:25:44.000
um,

758
00:25:44.550 --> 00:25:47.689
one door into a suite that has 4

759
00:25:47.949 --> 00:25:48.869
private bedrooms,

760
00:25:48.949 --> 00:25:49.969
a living area.

761
00:25:50.589 --> 00:25:52.469
A kitchenette and two bathrooms,

762
00:25:52.550 --> 00:25:54.170
all just for 4 students,

763
00:25:54.619 --> 00:25:55.920
and that's very attractive.

764
00:25:56.550 --> 00:25:57.810
It's just that now

765
00:25:58.030 --> 00:25:58.989
we did expand,

766
00:25:59.060 --> 00:26:01.839
although we're not expanding in size for the last 3 years.

767
00:26:02.069 --> 00:26:05.329
We were asked to expand by the president 4 or 5 years ago,

768
00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:05.760
and

769
00:26:05.989 --> 00:26:06.510
when we did,

770
00:26:06.589 --> 00:26:08.290
we had to use a lot of the rooms.

771
00:26:08.719 --> 00:26:09.489
In this,

772
00:26:09.729 --> 00:26:11.489
this complex that we're sitting in

773
00:26:11.849 --> 00:26:12.969
for first year students,

774
00:26:13.050 --> 00:26:13.410
so

775
00:26:13.609 --> 00:26:14.150
they get

776
00:26:14.449 --> 00:26:15.150
terrific

777
00:26:15.290 --> 00:26:17.479
rooms if they get into some of these rooms,

778
00:26:17.810 --> 00:26:21.810
but we also were always wanting and planning to be a 4,

779
00:26:21.849 --> 00:26:23.449
a potential 4 year

780
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:24.489
residential community.

781
00:26:24.569 --> 00:26:27.250
We only asked the students to stay for 2 years,

782
00:26:27.530 --> 00:26:27.790
but

783
00:26:27.930 --> 00:26:30.189
many of them stay for their junior and senior year.

784
00:26:30.510 --> 00:26:32.890
And so the president arranged

785
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:34.469
to make it

786
00:26:35.349 --> 00:26:36.810
possible for us to

787
00:26:37.390 --> 00:26:39.310
take over Vista del Sol,

788
00:26:39.430 --> 00:26:41.420
this apartment complex across

789
00:26:41.949 --> 00:26:42.969
one of the streets,

790
00:26:43.540 --> 00:26:43.650
um,

791
00:26:43.790 --> 00:26:45.739
that has 1800 more beds,

792
00:26:45.949 --> 00:26:48.589
and all of those beds are in full-fledged apartments,

793
00:26:48.709 --> 00:26:49.239
so each,

794
00:26:49.510 --> 00:26:51.400
each apartment has a full kitchen.

795
00:26:51.869 --> 00:26:52.199
Um,

796
00:26:52.670 --> 00:26:55.449
I was worried because part of my vision of

797
00:26:55.750 --> 00:26:57.189
building Barrett here.

798
00:26:57.829 --> 00:26:58.030
Uh,

799
00:26:58.260 --> 00:26:58.589
and the one,

800
00:26:58.670 --> 00:27:02.489
the part that opened in '09 was to have all four years,

801
00:27:02.989 --> 00:27:03.410
uh,

802
00:27:03.790 --> 00:27:05.910
rubbing shoulders together in the dining hall,

803
00:27:05.949 --> 00:27:06.430
the way that,

804
00:27:06.469 --> 00:27:06.479
that,

805
00:27:06.510 --> 00:27:07.810
that happens at

806
00:27:08.510 --> 00:27:12.550
Oxford and Cambridge and Harvard and Yale and the house and college systems there.

807
00:27:12.910 --> 00:27:15.310
And I was worried if most of our upper classmen were

808
00:27:15.310 --> 00:27:17.810
going to move across the street and they had full kitchens,

809
00:27:18.109 --> 00:27:19.699
that they wouldn't come to the dining hall,

810
00:27:19.750 --> 00:27:20.650
but luckily

811
00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:21.859
enough of them.

812
00:27:22.369 --> 00:27:24.569
Don't feel like cooking or don't cook,

813
00:27:24.849 --> 00:27:29.949
so that they still buy meal plans and we have a good mixture of the different ages

814
00:27:30.449 --> 00:27:31.449
in the dining hall.

815
00:27:31.729 --> 00:27:32.130
OK.

816
00:27:33.449 --> 00:27:37.140
What do you think is one of the greatest achievements of Barrett as a whole?

817
00:27:39.270 --> 00:27:39.390
Well,

818
00:27:39.430 --> 00:27:39.849
I think

819
00:27:40.030 --> 00:27:40.609
you know

820
00:27:40.790 --> 00:27:43.239
we're the honors college of a state university.

821
00:27:43.469 --> 00:27:43.930
That's,

822
00:27:44.270 --> 00:27:47.430
that's the statement that has to start discussions about,

823
00:27:47.770 --> 00:27:49.189
about what Barrett does.

824
00:27:49.329 --> 00:27:52.359
So we have an obligation to serve the people of the state.

825
00:27:52.430 --> 00:27:53.329
We're supported

826
00:27:53.670 --> 00:27:54.699
by um

827
00:27:55.189 --> 00:27:57.890
state money from the legislature even though it's not

828
00:27:58.069 --> 00:28:00.589
as large a percentage of our budget as it used to be.

829
00:28:00.900 --> 00:28:03.489
We also are supported by fees the students pay

830
00:28:03.709 --> 00:28:05.969
and in that sense we're semi-private,

831
00:28:06.229 --> 00:28:06.589
um.

832
00:28:07.369 --> 00:28:08.400
In that sense,

833
00:28:08.619 --> 00:28:13.319
but we're the we're the honors college of of the biggest university in the state so

834
00:28:13.780 --> 00:28:14.959
I think um

835
00:28:15.619 --> 00:28:18.500
that we've made college education

836
00:28:18.939 --> 00:28:22.239
more available and attractive to students of the state

837
00:28:22.780 --> 00:28:25.640
is the best is the best thing we could have done

838
00:28:25.979 --> 00:28:28.859
it should always be remembered when we're trying to.

839
00:28:30.030 --> 00:28:33.650
Make ourselves even better that we're doing that for

840
00:28:34.150 --> 00:28:37.349
the engaged academically engaged students of the state.

841
00:28:38.290 --> 00:28:38.760
OK.

842
00:28:39.790 --> 00:28:40.099
All right,

843
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:42.910
these are all of the pre-written questions that I have for you.

844
00:28:43.069 --> 00:28:43.420
Myra,

845
00:28:43.510 --> 00:28:44.979
do you have any questions you'd like to add?

846
00:28:45.150 --> 00:28:45.349
Uh,

847
00:28:45.469 --> 00:28:45.670
yes,

848
00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:46.150
I do.

849
00:28:46.310 --> 00:28:46.500
Uh,

850
00:28:46.630 --> 00:28:50.609
could you tell us a bit more about campaign 2020 and specifically how Barrett,

851
00:28:50.619 --> 00:28:50.810
sorry,

852
00:28:50.910 --> 00:28:51.400
about what?

853
00:28:51.869 --> 00:28:51.880
Uh,

854
00:28:52.109 --> 00:28:53.099
campaign 2020.

855
00:28:53.310 --> 00:28:53.670
Yes.

856
00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:56.640
I mean more about Barrett's part of it.

857
00:28:56.979 --> 00:28:57.219
Um,

858
00:28:57.339 --> 00:28:57.530
well,

859
00:28:57.719 --> 00:29:00.880
Campaign 2020 asked each of the colleges

860
00:29:01.489 --> 00:29:01.920
to

861
00:29:02.219 --> 00:29:03.920
have some goals

862
00:29:04.180 --> 00:29:05.439
written up and,

863
00:29:05.479 --> 00:29:05.959
um,

864
00:29:07.329 --> 00:29:07.890
And

865
00:29:08.739 --> 00:29:12.130
Disseminated in the form of campaign brochures

866
00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:16.109
and Barrett has 4 goals for campaign 2020

867
00:29:16.339 --> 00:29:19.520
and they are further support of faculty through

868
00:29:20.500 --> 00:29:21.880
funding that lets them

869
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.619
do work that makes their teaching better.

870
00:29:24.949 --> 00:29:27.050
There's all sorts of ways that can happen,

871
00:29:27.349 --> 00:29:29.329
but often it needs to be support,

872
00:29:29.910 --> 00:29:30.410
supported,

873
00:29:30.459 --> 00:29:31.020
um,

874
00:29:31.030 --> 00:29:31.869
visiting a,

875
00:29:31.910 --> 00:29:33.709
a particular library

876
00:29:33.910 --> 00:29:35.709
that's very useful for

877
00:29:36.030 --> 00:29:39.619
some of the pieces that a faculty member might be using in the human event,

878
00:29:39.670 --> 00:29:40.300
for example.

879
00:29:40.630 --> 00:29:41.949
So travel and study.

880
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.630
But not so much for scholarly publication,

881
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:47.189
but to make their teaching better

882
00:29:47.439 --> 00:29:49.410
and that's one of the four goals we have.

883
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:50.839
Another goal is

884
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.079
student scholarship support because

885
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:54.780
a lot of the trips

886
00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:55.800
that we

887
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:57.599
have expanded recently,

888
00:29:57.640 --> 00:29:58.939
as I was saying earlier,

889
00:29:59.560 --> 00:29:59.810
um,

890
00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:01.569
are nevertheless expensive.

891
00:30:01.800 --> 00:30:05.199
So even when a trip costs $10,000 to go.

892
00:30:05.670 --> 00:30:08.800
To Europe for 6 or 7 weeks and you include everything,

893
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.170
the airfare and the hotel,

894
00:30:10.520 --> 00:30:12.500
and we have scholarship money

895
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.829
because we don't want these to be trips only for wealthy students,

896
00:30:16.239 --> 00:30:18.420
so we have scholarship money to dispense

897
00:30:18.719 --> 00:30:20.739
and we usually try to say,

898
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:21.459
uh,

899
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.699
let's leave something for the student if they have a 1 year

900
00:30:25.239 --> 00:30:27.410
advance warning that they want to go on the trip

901
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:29.000
to raise some money themselves.

902
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:31.380
So we usually give a scholarship that's within.

903
00:30:32.030 --> 00:30:34.250
1 or 2000 of the cost of the trip,

904
00:30:34.589 --> 00:30:37.739
but even leaving only 1 or 2000

905
00:30:37.949 --> 00:30:38.689
is not

906
00:30:38.829 --> 00:30:39.729
always

907
00:30:40.989 --> 00:30:43.319
allowing students who want to go on those trips to go.

908
00:30:43.869 --> 00:30:44.709
And furthermore,

909
00:30:44.910 --> 00:30:45.849
because we're giving

910
00:30:46.189 --> 00:30:49.130
on a trip like that 8000 out of the 10,

911
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:52.880
we can only give a certain number of those scholarships before we run out of money.

912
00:30:53.369 --> 00:30:55.959
And so we really need scholarship support

913
00:30:56.540 --> 00:30:59.319
from donors for travel

914
00:30:59.619 --> 00:31:00.979
and community service,

915
00:31:01.020 --> 00:31:01.780
which we also,

916
00:31:01.819 --> 00:31:02.839
we don't require,

917
00:31:02.939 --> 00:31:03.560
but we

918
00:31:03.800 --> 00:31:04.900
love to see our students do,

919
00:31:04.939 --> 00:31:07.739
but even community service requires them to get to the

920
00:31:08.060 --> 00:31:08.760
points

921
00:31:09.060 --> 00:31:10.959
where they're serving and sometimes

922
00:31:11.699 --> 00:31:12.699
that can be a barrier.

923
00:31:12.780 --> 00:31:13.219
So

924
00:31:13.339 --> 00:31:14.439
a second goal.

925
00:31:15.449 --> 00:31:16.150
Of um

926
00:31:16.849 --> 00:31:20.560
of the campaign for Barrett is student scholarship support.

927
00:31:20.780 --> 00:31:22.380
A third goal is the,

928
00:31:22.650 --> 00:31:23.020
the

929
00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:26.369
building and staffing of a student success center,

930
00:31:26.770 --> 00:31:28.380
which is coming along.

931
00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:31.709
I think it'll be approved soon by

932
00:31:32.130 --> 00:31:32.430
the,

933
00:31:32.459 --> 00:31:33.050
the

934
00:31:33.410 --> 00:31:35.050
president and provost of,

935
00:31:35.329 --> 00:31:35.969
of ASU,

936
00:31:36.010 --> 00:31:37.989
but it hasn't technically been yet.

937
00:31:38.199 --> 00:31:39.750
The idea is to bring

938
00:31:40.050 --> 00:31:43.329
all of the pieces of Barrett's support system.

939
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.739
That help students to be successful outside the classroom,

940
00:31:48.040 --> 00:31:49.130
writing center,

941
00:31:49.439 --> 00:31:49.670
uh,

942
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:50.920
academic advising,

943
00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:53.239
advising for national scholarships,

944
00:31:53.479 --> 00:31:55.540
internship and research placement,

945
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:56.680
all those things,

946
00:31:56.959 --> 00:32:00.859
and now aided by a nice gift from the Tom Lewis Foundation,

947
00:32:01.239 --> 00:32:01.479
um,

948
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:02.260
personal

949
00:32:03.040 --> 00:32:03.699
success

950
00:32:04.199 --> 00:32:04.869
coaching,

951
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:05.329
uh,

952
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.780
not just personal strength measurement through

953
00:32:07.780 --> 00:32:10.099
indigo programs or things like that,

954
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.199
but also career counseling.

955
00:32:12.800 --> 00:32:16.630
At a much higher and more serious level for any student who needs it

956
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:17.579
because,

957
00:32:17.609 --> 00:32:18.030
um,

958
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:22.020
generally universities and also here and particularly in Barrett,

959
00:32:22.040 --> 00:32:25.439
we just felt and so did Tom Lewis that there wasn't enough of that

960
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.989
to get all of that into one building

961
00:32:28.329 --> 00:32:31.040
and we which we hope to build over in the middle

962
00:32:31.040 --> 00:32:33.699
of the Vista del Sol campus near the Gold Dome,

963
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:34.459
um,

964
00:32:34.719 --> 00:32:35.280
that's

965
00:32:35.520 --> 00:32:36.699
a third goal

966
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:37.420
of,

967
00:32:38.040 --> 00:32:38.380
of,

968
00:32:38.390 --> 00:32:38.760
um.

969
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.150
Barrett for the campaign 2020 and the fourth goal

970
00:32:42.489 --> 00:32:45.510
was and is the global initiatives

971
00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:46.770
program,

972
00:32:46.849 --> 00:32:47.329
in other words,

973
00:32:47.410 --> 00:32:51.170
increasing the exposure of Barrett students to global issues

974
00:32:51.530 --> 00:32:54.170
both by making it easier to travel out from

975
00:32:54.170 --> 00:32:56.209
Barrett but also easier to bring leaders in.

976
00:32:58.329 --> 00:32:58.609
All right,

977
00:32:58.709 --> 00:32:59.109
thank you.

978
00:32:59.530 --> 00:33:00.109
Um,

979
00:33:00.530 --> 00:33:00.890
also,

980
00:33:01.050 --> 00:33:05.489
is there any particular faculty member on Barrett currently or in the

981
00:33:05.489 --> 00:33:08.869
past who you feel just really embodies the spirit of the college?

982
00:33:09.530 --> 00:33:10.010
Oh,

983
00:33:10.369 --> 00:33:10.810
you know.

984
00:33:11.410 --> 00:33:12.290
All the faculty,

985
00:33:12.369 --> 00:33:13.689
I know this sounds

986
00:33:14.050 --> 00:33:15.410
somewhat cheesy to say,

987
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.890
all the faculty embody that spirit,

988
00:33:18.170 --> 00:33:18.930
and what I mean,

989
00:33:19.050 --> 00:33:19.290
I mean,

990
00:33:19.329 --> 00:33:21.160
an example of that is that

991
00:33:21.449 --> 00:33:25.449
one of the faculty members suddenly had to be in the hospital for a couple of weeks

992
00:33:25.729 --> 00:33:26.750
for a procedure,

993
00:33:26.810 --> 00:33:28.050
just in the last month,

994
00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:29.650
and this has happened

995
00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:34.089
at least 15 times since I've been here for 15 years.

996
00:33:34.439 --> 00:33:34.670
Uh,

997
00:33:34.810 --> 00:33:36.989
there's been a need suddenly and without,

998
00:33:37.530 --> 00:33:38.030
um,

999
00:33:38.489 --> 00:33:38.750
without

1000
00:33:39.130 --> 00:33:40.209
any warning.

1001
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.140
To take over their courses where the students would just be sitting there

1002
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:45.739
and not have a teacher if

1003
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.319
if something

1004
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:48.640
wasn't done

1005
00:33:48.959 --> 00:33:51.359
and the other faculty on their own

1006
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.619
spontaneously and quickly so there's no dropped class

1007
00:33:54.829 --> 00:33:56.500
arrange a whole schedule

1008
00:33:56.709 --> 00:33:59.699
so they teach the human event classes for that person

1009
00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:02.839
while they're gone and there's no damage to the students.

1010
00:34:03.239 --> 00:34:03.969
And that's

1011
00:34:04.209 --> 00:34:04.829
in part,

1012
00:34:04.930 --> 00:34:05.449
it's true,

1013
00:34:05.489 --> 00:34:06.949
it's possible because

1014
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.030
the human events syllabus is

1015
00:34:09.449 --> 00:34:13.050
similar in each of the 97 human events sections,

1016
00:34:13.290 --> 00:34:14.639
but it's not the same.

1017
00:34:14.929 --> 00:34:17.830
So very often this requires the faculty member to

1018
00:34:18.168 --> 00:34:22.969
read up really quickly on what that particular faculty member was about to teach.

1019
00:34:23.370 --> 00:34:25.159
The next time their class met,

1020
00:34:25.449 --> 00:34:26.929
they always do it.

1021
00:34:27.168 --> 00:34:31.989
They always do it in a very high quality way and the students never miss a beat

1022
00:34:32.168 --> 00:34:33.629
and I guess to me

1023
00:34:33.810 --> 00:34:35.969
the fact that they're not paid extra for that,

1024
00:34:36.090 --> 00:34:37.989
so they're teaching all their courses too,

1025
00:34:38.530 --> 00:34:39.570
they're not paid extra,

1026
00:34:39.649 --> 00:34:41.139
they don't ask to be paid extra.

1027
00:34:41.208 --> 00:34:42.010
They see it

1028
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.510
as part of being a faculty citizen

1029
00:34:45.010 --> 00:34:46.590
of the college shows you

1030
00:34:46.929 --> 00:34:49.188
that makes it hard to say there's only one

1031
00:34:49.649 --> 00:34:51.810
person who most embodies.

1032
00:34:52.438 --> 00:34:53.320
Barrett's principles,

1033
00:34:53.399 --> 00:34:57.290
I think the faculty in general do embody Barrett's principles.

1034
00:34:58.610 --> 00:34:58.620
I

1035
00:34:59.530 --> 00:35:02.909
is there anything that we haven't brought up that you would like to mention?

1036
00:35:04.439 --> 00:35:05.000
Um.

1037
00:35:05.830 --> 00:35:09.469
I always want to mention the support President Crowe has given us.

1038
00:35:10.020 --> 00:35:11.580
If it weren't for his support,

1039
00:35:12.030 --> 00:35:13.860
most of this would not have happened,

1040
00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:15.689
and it's been constant

1041
00:35:16.030 --> 00:35:16.669
and very,

1042
00:35:16.790 --> 00:35:19.090
very helpful through the whole 15 years.

1043
00:35:19.290 --> 00:35:21.790
I also always want to mention Ted Humphrey,

1044
00:35:21.870 --> 00:35:23.020
the founding dean,

1045
00:35:23.510 --> 00:35:23.969
because

1046
00:35:24.330 --> 00:35:26.500
elements that make Barrett terrific,

1047
00:35:26.750 --> 00:35:28.330
such as the human event,

1048
00:35:28.909 --> 00:35:32.310
the idea of a residential community which already existed

1049
00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:35.010
over in the city block between.

1050
00:35:35.429 --> 00:35:39.330
Damage auditorium and the parking structure along Apache when I came

1051
00:35:39.830 --> 00:35:42.060
and had 850 beds in it.

1052
00:35:42.389 --> 00:35:43.560
All those things were,

1053
00:35:44.629 --> 00:35:45.040
um,

1054
00:35:45.270 --> 00:35:47.709
there because of the planning of Ted Humphrey,

1055
00:35:47.790 --> 00:35:48.149
so.

1056
00:35:48.850 --> 00:35:51.649
I always try to mention Ted and Michael Crowe

1057
00:35:52.090 --> 00:35:52.590
because

1058
00:35:53.060 --> 00:35:53.310
without

1059
00:35:53.429 --> 00:35:56.129
the foundation literally laid

1060
00:35:56.489 --> 00:35:58.699
by Ted and the support of President Crowe,

1061
00:35:58.739 --> 00:35:59.760
this wouldn't have happened,

1062
00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:01.469
but because they both

1063
00:36:02.439 --> 00:36:03.669
Played those roles,

1064
00:36:03.929 --> 00:36:05.659
we've really been able to build,

1065
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:06.159
I think,

1066
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.770
a wonderful institution

1067
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.889
for the students here and for the state,

1068
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:11.439
so.

1069
00:36:12.530 --> 00:36:12.679
Well,

1070
00:36:12.729 --> 00:36:15.110
thank you very much for your participation,

1071
00:36:15.489 --> 00:36:16.310
Dean Jacobs,

1072
00:36:16.330 --> 00:36:20.989
and if you have any questions about this interview or the 30th anniversary

1073
00:36:21.449 --> 00:36:22.870
or a History Project,

1074
00:36:23.330 --> 00:36:24.939
please contact Vice Dean Foot.

1075
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:26.120
Thank you.

1076
00:36:26.409 --> 00:36:26.629
Great,

1077
00:36:26.939 --> 00:36:27.409
thank you.

1078
00:36:28.439 --> 00:36:28.760
All right.

1079
00:36:28.919 --> 00:36:29.379
Real quick,

1080
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:30.139
do you.

1081
00:36:30.520 --> 00:36:30.719
Yes,

1082
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:31.899
you want me to read something?

1083
00:36:32.080 --> 00:36:32.449
Yes.

1084
00:36:32.909 --> 00:36:33.040
Was,