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Hello,

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this is Kylie Cochran and Emma

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and Emma Vandennedi interviewing Doctor Rachel Fettick

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on December 4th at 1:30 p.m. in the Barrett Suite.

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This interview is part of the Barrett Oral History Project.

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Our goal is to preserve a record of

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Barrett's history in honor of our 30th anniversary.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with us and share your experience.

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No,

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thank you.

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So we're just gonna get started with some introductory questions.

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So the first question I have for you is,

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can you describe your personal history with Barrett?

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So I guess it begins,

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uh,

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some time ago,

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far,

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far,

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far in the,

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in the past.

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Um,

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I was a student at Barrett,

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um,

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and so I,

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and I was actually a,

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a transfer student in,

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into Barrett,

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In uh my

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career at at ASU.

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So that's when it began,

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and then I mean,

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it's come around to to now where I'm now,

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I now have the wonderful opportunity to,

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to teach here.

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Why did you decide you wanted to work for Barrett?

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to say one decides to work somewhere in academia would be a bit of a stretch

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job opportunities are,

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are,

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are very,

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very limited.

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But when I learned of the opportunity to work for Barrett,

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I was so,

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so excited.

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one of the reasons I was so excited,

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and thrilled to learn about that opportunity was because of how,

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how much I enjoyed my experience at Barrett and

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particularly my experience in

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the human event in Barrett classes and just knowing that there was was,

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a lot,

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uh,

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there were smaller class sizes and there's a lot more,

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interaction with students and the classes were all discussion based,

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because my previous teaching experience tended to be

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with really big classes and I mean,

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that's,

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different and.

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fun experience in a different way.

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However,

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I really wanted to have a chance to kind of develop more relationships,

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more academic relationships with students,

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and I think those discussion settings really,

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really facilitate that rather than

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when one has literally hundreds of students a semester,

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students get kind of lost in,

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in the crowd.

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To get to know each and every student individually and kind of watch them grow

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throughout the year and hopefully throughout their college career as well.

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How many years have you been working for Barrett?

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I have completed 3 years and I'm going into my 4th year.

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once the semester's over,

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done with my 4th year.

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So did any

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particular undergraduate experience influence how you teach here at Barrett?

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an undergrad experience influencing how

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say anything in my undergrad influence kind of my teaching,

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certainly come

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graduate through my graduate program and um

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and other teaching jobs I've had,

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What has changed since you first started working here?

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the core of Barrett,

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certainly remains the same.

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it's expanded immensely.

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Barrett only existed in Tempe,

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the downtown campus didn't exist at all,

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there was no residents.

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it was an Irish Hall.

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I think that might still exist on ASU's campus.

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very small community.

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the fact that it was so small,

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I tended to be a student that kind of just like minded my

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own business and did my work and so I was not aware of.

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really programming or opportunity engagements.

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I disengaged,

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but I mean that there's so many opportunities now for

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students to get involved in so many different things,

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service or just a fun activity or self-care.

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so that's certainly changed,

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the immense growth,

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but in terms of the education,

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the same because I still really quite clearly

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remember what my human event classes were like,

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and they were fantastic.

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and so I think the,

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the spirit of those classes has remained the same over many,

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From me being a student to now me,

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me teaching here,

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so I think that,

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that classroom experience is,

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is very much the same.

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Barrett did at that time still have a have a strong study abroad program,

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I was lucky enough to participate that in as an undergrad.

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So I think that certainly continued over over the years.

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Where did you go?

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when I went,

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it was a,

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costs have changed over the years,

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I think we spent 3 weeks in London.

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I probably have that off somehow,

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but I want to say it was about 5 or 6 weeks,

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that sounds like it was an awesome experience.

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it was really amazing,

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it was the perfect integration.

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academics and experiencing the culture and it was,

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a lot of fun,

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I made lifelong friends in that,

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in that program,

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even though I usually just

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expanded my social horizons just to establish a timetable.

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I know this is like kind of a taboo question,

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but when were you in

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Barrett?

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since I was a transfer student,

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So in your past 3 years working for Barrett,

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have you worked on any past special projects through the Barrett program?

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involved with the Center for the Study of Race and Democracy,

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pretty regularly.

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I attend their events and,

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volunteer at their events,

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as a panelist.

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about the CSRD and the work,

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the work they do.

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but I've also more recently started working on,

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establishing an Inside Out prison exchange program,

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uh,

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for,

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uh,

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for Barrett.

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So there's already a program running

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currently incriminology and criminal justice,

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uh,

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but I wanted to start a Barrett,

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uh,

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specific class,

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so,

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uh,

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that I'm going to be teaching my first class,

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um,

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in,

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in the spring

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with,

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uh,

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with that model,

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and the,

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the program.

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Uh,

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is a program that started in 1997,

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initially by a professor Laurie Pompa at Temple University,

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and the,

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the idea behind this program is to bring,

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uh,

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quote,

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inside students,

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uh,

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uh,

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you know,

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incarcerated persons

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and quote,

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outside students,

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traditional college students into the same classroom.

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So,

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uh,

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so it's a really unique experience where people from

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immensely diverse backgrounds can get together and

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You know,

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think about

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the world's problems,

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so I think it's uh a really amazing opportunity for

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kind of both sets of students to,

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uh,

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Transform themselves and transform the world,

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the world around them,

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so I'm really excited to get that class going.

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What do you hope Barrett students specifically gain from a program such as this,

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um.

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This is gonna sound very lofty,

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but I hope it changes their life.

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I hope it gives them

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a perspective that they've,

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they

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just couldn't have imagined before in learning about,

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uh,

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you know,

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different people's different life experiences and also exploring

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the specific kind of topics in the class that

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we'll be exploring.

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Um,

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so the,

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the course is men and feminism,

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and so,

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um,

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I think when,

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of course,

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when people think of feminism,

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people think about equality and liberating women,

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but in this course,

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I actually want to focus upon

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How feminism,

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uh,

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liberates men as well,

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that men are also oppressed by the patriarchy,

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and that's

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the main focus of the course.

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So really questioning gender norms that

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are really harmful to men,

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uh,

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thinking about what it means to be a man,

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and usually that means

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being tough and not being emotional and cutting oneself off from emotion,

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and

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that usually means,

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uh,

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objectifying women as a demonstration of power or

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Uh,

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being rich or things like that and how that's actually really,

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really harmful to men,

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and,

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but also thinking about how feminism

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could be a solution

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to,

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uh,

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to that,

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that oppression for,

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for men as well.

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Where did your inspiration for this particular subject matter come from?

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Oh,

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gosh,

401
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yeah,

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I guess.

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I mean,

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I've had a lot of,

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I've just had a lot of interest in

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various social,

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uh,

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social justice issues

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for,

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um,

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for a long time.

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That's a really good question.

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I'm gonna have to ponder that for,

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for a moment,

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um.

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So,

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and

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I mean,

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I think we've all,

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I mean,

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everyone has experienced harm in some way or another.

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And I think thinking about,

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um,

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maybe some of my own experiences of harm

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and

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thinking about maybe men in my life that may have

427
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demonstrated that it when I've

428
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over reflecting on this for years,

429
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it really seems to me that

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A large,

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uh,

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a large reason that I think men cause harm is due

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to these really oppressive gender norms that they internalize and then,

434
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and then demonstrate.

435
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So,

436
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uh,

437
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so,

438
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I mean,

439
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so I've also been passionate about feminism,

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uh,

441
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and,

442
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but,

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I mean,

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I want to liberate men from these oppressive structures,

445
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but that also is in turn going to help

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women,

447
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like if,

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if men aren't internalizing these

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Uh,

450
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these harmful stereotypes,

451
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then,

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uh,

453
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they're also not going to be harming women then as a,

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as a result of that.

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So I think it all kind of works.

456
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I think all of it has to be addressed,

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and we can't just focus on

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Liberating women or liberating men,

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it's kind of all has to work,

460
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work together.

461
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Have you established a book list for that class yet?

462
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Like,

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what materials would you be looking at?

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Yes,

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so,

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oh,

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handy dandy syllabus.

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I'm just

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questioning because I know,

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um,

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Adichie wrote a really good letter about feminism.

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I don't know if you've heard it.

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Like I'm sorry,

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the,

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uh,

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Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie

477
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wrote the book called Dear EJ Wale,

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or 15 familiar,

479
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yeah,

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uh,

481
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yeah,

482
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I've heard of that,

483
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but unfortunately,

484
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yeah,

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I.

486
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I have not

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made that made it to that on my book,

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my book reading list.

489
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Well,

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I highly recommend it.

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I'm just curious what,

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uh,

493
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what,

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what like,

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uh,

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sources you're consulting for the class.

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So,

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uh,

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we'll certainly be looking at,

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uh,

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a number of Bell Hooks works.

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Uh,

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so we'll be starting with Feminism is for Everybody,

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and then,

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uh,

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looking at some selections from her book Communion,

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and then also reading her book The Will to Change.

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So those are the central

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feminist works I'm going to be drawing from.

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And then,

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but we'll also be looking at documentaries,

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so,

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uh,

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we'll be looking at the feminist in Cellblock Y,

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and that's actually a documentary about uh a prison class that teaches feminism.

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Uh,

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so,

518
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and it's almost exactly

519
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what I want to do in my class,

520
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so it works

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quite nicely with this class.

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Uh,

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also,

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we're gonna watch like The Mask You Live in,

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Misrepresentation,

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uh,

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to kind of look at some of those issues.

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Uh,

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what are some of the other

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Well,

531
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also looking at some articles on different.

532
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Um,

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the way masculinity can be problematic in kind of different types of ways,

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depending on like,

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uh,

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ethnicity,

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so Chicano manhood might be different

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from black masculinity,

539
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and we'll be examining,

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uh,

541
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kind of some of those differences

542
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as well,

543
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but we'll also be getting into

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Uh,

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into

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some work on,

547
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on rape culture and how that ties in

548
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to,

549
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um,

550
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to the violence,

551
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I think that just comes from these,

552
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uh,

553
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these stereotypes,

554
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uh,

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these oppressive stereotypes that men are kind of forced to,

556
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to adopt in society,

557
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so.

558
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I mean,

559
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I could go on and on.

560
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I don't know how,

561
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I don't know how many sources you want,

562
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but no,

563
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my next question about this program is

564
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this the first semester that Barrett is partnering

565
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with?

566
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OK,

567
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yeah,

568
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so that,

569
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yeah,

570
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this spring will be the first,

571
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yeah,

572
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the first class happening.

573
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And is it just going to be a one semester class you're going to see how it.

574
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I,

575
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I suppose that's fair to say.

576
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I mean,

577
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my,

578
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my hope is certainly to continue this.

579
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Uh,

580
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I,

581
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I would love to do it once a year.

582
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Logistically,

583
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that might be difficult,

584
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uh,

585
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but I really hope we could do this class every,

586
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every other year

587
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to give Bera students that,

588
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that opportunity.

589
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OK,

590
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now moving on to another very important class,

591
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the human event.

592
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So can you talk a little bit about your teaching

593
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style and your approach to the human event class.

594
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So,

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well,

596
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I guess

597
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I first start out maybe with the commonalities,

598
00:14:51.929 --> 00:14:52.390
but,

599
00:14:52.770 --> 00:14:53.469
um,

600
00:14:53.479 --> 00:14:53.690
I mean,

601
00:14:53.729 --> 00:14:58.669
I really see the human events as a multicultural historical survey

602
00:14:59.049 --> 00:14:59.789
of

603
00:15:00.130 --> 00:15:01.710
various humanities,

604
00:15:01.849 --> 00:15:03.849
so exploring philosophy,

605
00:15:03.969 --> 00:15:04.650
literature,

606
00:15:04.770 --> 00:15:05.669
poetry,

607
00:15:06.010 --> 00:15:06.520
art,

608
00:15:06.609 --> 00:15:07.229
religion.

609
00:15:07.979 --> 00:15:08.679
Uh,

610
00:15:08.780 --> 00:15:09.359
history

611
00:15:09.739 --> 00:15:10.369
and,

612
00:15:10.380 --> 00:15:10.609
uh,

613
00:15:10.619 --> 00:15:11.960
exploring all of these,

614
00:15:12.099 --> 00:15:12.539
uh,

615
00:15:12.859 --> 00:15:15.080
kind of different genres

616
00:15:15.299 --> 00:15:16.539
through various texts,

617
00:15:16.619 --> 00:15:16.929
but,

618
00:15:16.940 --> 00:15:17.169
uh,

619
00:15:17.179 --> 00:15:17.640
I certainly,

620
00:15:17.940 --> 00:15:18.020
I,

621
00:15:18.099 --> 00:15:18.460
I looked,

622
00:15:18.570 --> 00:15:18.859
of course,

623
00:15:18.940 --> 00:15:19.619
at written texts,

624
00:15:19.700 --> 00:15:20.989
but also film,

625
00:15:21.140 --> 00:15:24.000
as well as documentaries and music videos,

626
00:15:24.419 --> 00:15:24.690
uh,

627
00:15:25.020 --> 00:15:25.700
that I'll often,

628
00:15:25.780 --> 00:15:26.549
and sometimes I'll,

629
00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.099
I often will pair a music video with a text to kind of draw

630
00:15:30.260 --> 00:15:31.530
connections with that.

631
00:15:32.059 --> 00:15:32.799
So,

632
00:15:34.909 --> 00:15:35.159
Um.

633
00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:38.590
I think I just totally lost my train of thought.

634
00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:39.559
What was the question again?

635
00:15:39.640 --> 00:15:42.799
I was just asking about how you approach the human event course because it is,

636
00:15:42.880 --> 00:15:45.859
it is such a diverse course and every teacher has their own

637
00:15:46.479 --> 00:15:48.739
take on what the human event should be,

638
00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:51.719
um,

639
00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:52.340
so

640
00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:52.880
I mean,

641
00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:53.309
I think,

642
00:15:53.359 --> 00:15:56.380
I really think I approach it more as a

643
00:15:56.520 --> 00:15:57.200
facilitator.

644
00:15:57.760 --> 00:15:58.320
So,

645
00:15:58.520 --> 00:15:59.239
I like to,

646
00:15:59.359 --> 00:15:59.640
of course,

647
00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:03.179
I'm there to guide the discussion and set the parameters

648
00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:06.840
and clarify things if there's confusion along the way

649
00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:09.080
and make any corrections that may be necessary,

650
00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:10.830
but I really see the,

651
00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:11.109
uh,

652
00:16:11.119 --> 00:16:12.500
the class as

653
00:16:12.760 --> 00:16:14.200
largely led by the students.

654
00:16:14.270 --> 00:16:15.330
It's really a student,

655
00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:15.830
uh,

656
00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.729
student-driven discussion.

657
00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:18.900
And,

658
00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:19.299
uh,

659
00:16:19.669 --> 00:16:20.200
In terms,

660
00:16:20.280 --> 00:16:20.400
uh,

661
00:16:20.479 --> 00:16:22.119
I guess also in terms of my approach,

662
00:16:22.229 --> 00:16:23.880
since my background's in philosophy,

663
00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:24.150
I mean,

664
00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:27.349
that's the lens in which I kind of see everything through.

665
00:16:27.599 --> 00:16:28.280
And also,

666
00:16:28.289 --> 00:16:28.559
uh,

667
00:16:28.659 --> 00:16:29.760
having background,

668
00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:30.669
uh,

669
00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:31.520
within philosophy,

670
00:16:31.719 --> 00:16:33.280
studying a lot of feminist philosophy,

671
00:16:33.400 --> 00:16:35.380
those are just some of the issues that tend to

672
00:16:35.380 --> 00:16:37.359
pop out at me more often than than others.

673
00:16:37.479 --> 00:16:37.940
So,

674
00:16:38.359 --> 00:16:38.559
uh,

675
00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:41.750
so that might be a like slightly different way I might approach the,

676
00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:43.239
the human event than others.

677
00:16:43.429 --> 00:16:45.039
I might have more Beyonce videos.

678
00:16:45.830 --> 00:16:47.590
I taught a Beyonce class,

679
00:16:47.669 --> 00:16:48.210
so

680
00:16:49.299 --> 00:16:50.409
sounds like a fun class.

681
00:16:52.349 --> 00:16:55.530
So besides your philosophy background and feminist background,

682
00:16:55.669 --> 00:16:59.650
what other expertise areas do you say you bring to your human event course?

683
00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:00.700
So,

684
00:17:00.750 --> 00:17:02.130
I'm also

685
00:17:02.270 --> 00:17:02.809
working

686
00:17:02.979 --> 00:17:03.619
on,

687
00:17:03.710 --> 00:17:04.108
uh,

688
00:17:04.189 --> 00:17:06.550
actually a couple books right now on love.

689
00:17:06.709 --> 00:17:09.989
So I always try to push those questions in the human event,

690
00:17:10.589 --> 00:17:11.579
particularly,

691
00:17:11.589 --> 00:17:11.939
uh,

692
00:17:11.949 --> 00:17:13.329
the possible

693
00:17:13.650 --> 00:17:17.790
tensions or intersections between love and justice.

694
00:17:17.949 --> 00:17:18.410
So,

695
00:17:18.848 --> 00:17:19.209
Uh,

696
00:17:19.410 --> 00:17:21.140
that I think in different texts bring that out,

697
00:17:21.219 --> 00:17:22.380
I think in different ways.

698
00:17:22.500 --> 00:17:24.239
So thinking about whether

699
00:17:24.618 --> 00:17:26.098
love is,

700
00:17:26.189 --> 00:17:26.598
uh,

701
00:17:26.608 --> 00:17:27.819
love can be just,

702
00:17:27.829 --> 00:17:29.939
or whether love requires justice,

703
00:17:29.979 --> 00:17:33.579
or maybe love and justice are just two different realms that can't intersect.

704
00:17:33.739 --> 00:17:34.140
So,

705
00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:34.619
uh,

706
00:17:34.699 --> 00:17:35.280
so those are,

707
00:17:35.380 --> 00:17:35.619
uh,

708
00:17:35.660 --> 00:17:38.479
philosophical questions I'm interested in that I certainly bring,

709
00:17:38.819 --> 00:17:39.530
bring to,

710
00:17:39.579 --> 00:17:39.819
uh,

711
00:17:39.900 --> 00:17:40.819
to the human event.

712
00:17:41.060 --> 00:17:41.699
But also,

713
00:17:41.780 --> 00:17:42.400
I think just,

714
00:17:42.420 --> 00:17:42.579
I,

715
00:17:42.660 --> 00:17:43.619
I often bring,

716
00:17:43.819 --> 00:17:44.319
especially in

717
00:17:44.459 --> 00:17:45.880
like 272.

718
00:17:46.300 --> 00:17:46.479
Oh,

719
00:17:46.540 --> 00:17:52.900
a lot of social issues about class and and race and.

720
00:17:54.260 --> 00:17:55.979
And LGBTQ

721
00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:58.619
issues and so we kind of explore a lot of,

722
00:17:58.739 --> 00:18:00.119
a lot of that kind of

723
00:18:00.339 --> 00:18:00.750
social,

724
00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:01.880
social issues.

725
00:18:02.390 --> 00:18:03.500
For the sake of this interview,

726
00:18:03.579 --> 00:18:08.219
can you explain 172 and 272 just for historical context?

727
00:18:08.329 --> 00:18:08.430
Oh,

728
00:18:08.560 --> 00:18:08.699
OK,

729
00:18:08.819 --> 00:18:09.260
so yeah,

730
00:18:09.339 --> 00:18:09.939
170.

731
00:18:10.099 --> 00:18:11.699
One starts from,

732
00:18:11.869 --> 00:18:12.030
well,

733
00:18:12.150 --> 00:18:16.410
kind of the beginning of time whenever the professor wants to start,

734
00:18:16.670 --> 00:18:17.569
and uh

735
00:18:17.989 --> 00:18:18.430
it's,

736
00:18:18.469 --> 00:18:19.260
it ends,

737
00:18:19.349 --> 00:18:19.770
I

738
00:18:19.910 --> 00:18:20.280
think,

739
00:18:20.420 --> 00:18:25.609
in 1600 and then 272 picks up from 1600 through

740
00:18:26.390 --> 00:18:27.819
modern modern times.

741
00:18:28.069 --> 00:18:28.550
So that's it,

742
00:18:28.650 --> 00:18:29.540
so that's the,

743
00:18:29.869 --> 00:18:32.650
the really only formal distinction between the two is these

744
00:18:32.770 --> 00:18:33.719
these dates.

745
00:18:34.310 --> 00:18:34.709
So,

746
00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:36.790
looking at both of your semesters,

747
00:18:36.900 --> 00:18:38.530
do you have a favorite text?

748
00:18:39.250 --> 00:18:41.359
I would have to say,

749
00:18:41.479 --> 00:18:41.689
I mean,

750
00:18:41.729 --> 00:18:42.520
that's hard,

751
00:18:42.770 --> 00:18:43.079
but I,

752
00:18:43.170 --> 00:18:44.670
I thought about this for a while.

753
00:18:45.780 --> 00:18:48.939
I think Moonlight might be my favorite text,

754
00:18:49.020 --> 00:18:49.300
of course,

755
00:18:49.339 --> 00:18:50.040
that's a film,

756
00:18:50.530 --> 00:18:50.819
uh,

757
00:18:50.939 --> 00:18:51.489
but that's,

758
00:18:51.660 --> 00:18:52.959
I think that might be

759
00:18:53.140 --> 00:18:53.339
my,

760
00:18:53.420 --> 00:18:54.569
my favorite text,

761
00:18:55.060 --> 00:18:59.339
because it brings together so many of these issues that I care about in one film,

762
00:18:59.420 --> 00:19:01.140
and it's just a beautiful,

763
00:19:01.180 --> 00:19:03.040
breathtaking film for one thing,

764
00:19:03.099 --> 00:19:04.479
the acting is

765
00:19:05.300 --> 00:19:06.930
completely impeccable,

766
00:19:07.189 --> 00:19:07.750
and

767
00:19:07.859 --> 00:19:10.319
it brings together uh issues about

768
00:19:10.969 --> 00:19:11.380
Uh,

769
00:19:11.609 --> 00:19:13.869
oppressive conceptions of masculinity.

770
00:19:13.969 --> 00:19:17.310
It brings together LGBTQ issues,

771
00:19:17.650 --> 00:19:17.920
uh,

772
00:19:18.130 --> 00:19:21.589
issues of race and class and,

773
00:19:21.650 --> 00:19:21.930
uh,

774
00:19:21.969 --> 00:19:24.010
oppression and incarceration.

775
00:19:24.130 --> 00:19:24.489
It just,

776
00:19:24.609 --> 00:19:25.160
it kind of,

777
00:19:25.410 --> 00:19:25.449
yeah,

778
00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:26.609
it brings together all,

779
00:19:26.729 --> 00:19:28.750
all the important issues in my mind,

780
00:19:29.170 --> 00:19:30.010
and it does so,

781
00:19:30.130 --> 00:19:30.239
yeah,

782
00:19:30.290 --> 00:19:30.709
in a,

783
00:19:31.209 --> 00:19:32.000
in a beautiful,

784
00:19:32.089 --> 00:19:33.010
in a beautiful way.

785
00:19:33.130 --> 00:19:33.550
So

786
00:19:33.650 --> 00:19:35.010
I think that would have to be my favorite,

787
00:19:35.050 --> 00:19:37.329
and the students certainly get a lot out of it too.

788
00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:38.250
It's kind of nice.

789
00:19:38.790 --> 00:19:40.329
I talk about a lot of these issues separately,

790
00:19:40.420 --> 00:19:41.689
and then the students can also,

791
00:19:41.829 --> 00:19:42.069
I think,

792
00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.569
get get a lot out of talking about all these issues brought into one film.

793
00:19:46.109 --> 00:19:48.949
I was also gonna ask what in your experience

794
00:19:48.949 --> 00:19:51.770
has been the student's' favorite text from your course?

795
00:19:53.300 --> 00:19:53.569
That's a good

796
00:19:54.140 --> 00:19:54.219
question.

797
00:19:57.270 --> 00:19:59.290
Or a popular one that comes to mind.

798
00:19:59.430 --> 00:19:59.790
Yeah,

799
00:19:59.949 --> 00:20:00.349
I'd have,

800
00:20:01.270 --> 00:20:01.280
I,

801
00:20:01.310 --> 00:20:03.270
I can never remember what I assign.

802
00:20:03.349 --> 00:20:05.109
I seriously have to,

803
00:20:05.430 --> 00:20:05.670
I mean,

804
00:20:05.750 --> 00:20:06.219
well.

805
00:20:07.140 --> 00:20:07.380
I,

806
00:20:07.459 --> 00:20:08.599
I think.

807
00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:11.939
I for 171,

808
00:20:12.020 --> 00:20:16.089
I recently assigned Lieutenant Nunn,

809
00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:18.719
and that seemed to be very popular,

810
00:20:18.790 --> 00:20:19.859
and this is the first time,

811
00:20:19.979 --> 00:20:20.060
yeah,

812
00:20:20.099 --> 00:20:20.489
that I've,

813
00:20:20.540 --> 00:20:21.250
I've assigned it,

814
00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:22.619
and the students really seem to,

815
00:20:22.719 --> 00:20:23.199
to,

816
00:20:23.619 --> 00:20:24.880
to enjoy that text.

817
00:20:25.260 --> 00:20:27.920
It's and the text is about,

818
00:20:28.260 --> 00:20:28.540
uh,

819
00:20:28.699 --> 00:20:30.479
I'm actually not sure how to

820
00:20:31.229 --> 00:20:32.310
Talk about

821
00:20:32.670 --> 00:20:36.010
uh Catalina's gender because Catalina,

822
00:20:36.270 --> 00:20:36.569
uh,

823
00:20:36.670 --> 00:20:38.510
biologically is female,

824
00:20:38.589 --> 00:20:40.810
but then lived as a male

825
00:20:40.989 --> 00:20:42.489
most of their life,

826
00:20:42.670 --> 00:20:43.310
but

827
00:20:43.630 --> 00:20:47.969
also sometimes in writing refer to themselves as a woman,

828
00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:49.109
but sometimes a man,

829
00:20:49.229 --> 00:20:51.349
so I'm not sure how to refer to Catalina,

830
00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:53.170
but it's the,

831
00:20:53.199 --> 00:20:54.810
the Catalina's story is that

832
00:20:55.280 --> 00:20:55.719
Uh,

833
00:20:55.959 --> 00:20:56.040
well,

834
00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:56.609
at the time,

835
00:20:56.800 --> 00:20:59.520
she was in a convent and she hated it there,

836
00:20:59.630 --> 00:21:03.040
so she broke out when she was a teenager and lived

837
00:21:03.040 --> 00:21:05.719
as a man for pretty much the rest of her life,

838
00:21:05.790 --> 00:21:06.819
and this is during

839
00:21:07.199 --> 00:21:09.079
uh the period during colonialism,

840
00:21:09.199 --> 00:21:11.000
so she went to the quote,

841
00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:12.579
New World and

842
00:21:12.989 --> 00:21:15.359
participated in all of those horrific acts,

843
00:21:15.439 --> 00:21:16.140
but it's

844
00:21:16.280 --> 00:21:18.619
just quite a fascinating story that,

845
00:21:19.040 --> 00:21:19.280
you know,

846
00:21:19.400 --> 00:21:19.709
that,

847
00:21:19.719 --> 00:21:20.119
um,

848
00:21:20.959 --> 00:21:22.160
Someone was able,

849
00:21:22.339 --> 00:21:22.599
uh,

850
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:23.479
able to do that.

851
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:24.119
So the,

852
00:21:24.199 --> 00:21:25.800
the students certainly were,

853
00:21:26.199 --> 00:21:26.359
uh,

854
00:21:26.479 --> 00:21:26.910
I think,

855
00:21:27.020 --> 00:21:27.189
uh,

856
00:21:27.439 --> 00:21:28.660
really engaged in,

857
00:21:28.719 --> 00:21:32.060
in that text and the different issues it brought about in terms of

858
00:21:32.280 --> 00:21:33.199
gender identity,

859
00:21:33.280 --> 00:21:36.760
but also colonialism and violence and yet bringing about questions,

860
00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:36.949
yeah,

861
00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:37.920
what does it mean to be a man,

862
00:21:38.030 --> 00:21:39.109
what does it mean to be a woman,

863
00:21:39.199 --> 00:21:39.560
so

864
00:21:39.800 --> 00:21:41.260
that was really popular,

865
00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:42.079
um.

866
00:21:44.050 --> 00:21:44.609
And actually,

867
00:21:44.760 --> 00:21:44.849
yeah,

868
00:21:44.930 --> 00:21:48.670
I just finished up history of ideas and.

869
00:21:49.459 --> 00:21:53.099
I think a lot of the students liked some selections

870
00:21:53.540 --> 00:21:55.739
from uh a poetry collection,

871
00:21:55.859 --> 00:21:56.979
Red Hot Salsa,

872
00:21:57.099 --> 00:21:57.530
from,

873
00:21:57.780 --> 00:22:00.000
and that's a collection of

874
00:22:00.239 --> 00:22:01.099
uh Latinx,

875
00:22:01.300 --> 00:22:02.880
Chicanx um

876
00:22:03.239 --> 00:22:04.550
uh writers,

877
00:22:04.660 --> 00:22:05.660
and

878
00:22:06.020 --> 00:22:06.099
yeah,

879
00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:08.979
and it really brings together kind of uh a

880
00:22:08.979 --> 00:22:12.119
lot of the poetry focuses on struggles with identity.

881
00:22:12.380 --> 00:22:12.699
And,

882
00:22:12.780 --> 00:22:12.900
well,

883
00:22:12.979 --> 00:22:13.959
I think that's

884
00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:16.040
I would imagine,

885
00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:16.390
well,

886
00:22:16.439 --> 00:22:16.760
I mean,

887
00:22:16.959 --> 00:22:18.469
when I was that age,

888
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:18.880
I mean,

889
00:22:18.959 --> 00:22:21.619
I think struggles with identity are pretty common,

890
00:22:22.150 --> 00:22:22.459
uh,

891
00:22:22.469 --> 00:22:23.959
in one's college years.

892
00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:25.260
So I kind of like to

893
00:22:25.439 --> 00:22:26.099
push that.

894
00:22:26.109 --> 00:22:27.589
It's like think about this more,

895
00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:27.900
and

896
00:22:28.030 --> 00:22:29.819
in that in that text collection,

897
00:22:30.280 --> 00:22:32.859
the identities are primarily struggles with,

898
00:22:33.040 --> 00:22:33.199
you know,

899
00:22:33.319 --> 00:22:35.900
one's American identity versus one's

900
00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.719
Mexican identity or Dominican identity and how those can be intentioned.

901
00:22:40.109 --> 00:22:40.270
Uh,

902
00:22:40.349 --> 00:22:41.050
with one another,

903
00:22:41.189 --> 00:22:41.420
or,

904
00:22:41.550 --> 00:22:42.609
but also how they can,

905
00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:44.069
can come together and be unified.

906
00:22:44.189 --> 00:22:44.699
So that's,

907
00:22:44.790 --> 00:22:47.310
I think those were also some popular texts too.

908
00:22:47.709 --> 00:22:48.689
What's the biggest

909
00:22:49.030 --> 00:22:52.010
takeaway that you want your students to walk away from at the end

910
00:22:52.550 --> 00:22:53.369
of April?

911
00:22:53.869 --> 00:22:54.189
Oh,

912
00:22:54.349 --> 00:22:56.170
I want them

913
00:22:56.510 --> 00:22:58.589
to question everything.

914
00:22:59.069 --> 00:23:01.709
I don't want them to take anything for face value.

915
00:23:01.869 --> 00:23:02.060
Uh,

916
00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:03.989
I think the most important thing in the,

917
00:23:04.099 --> 00:23:05.849
in the human event is coming away

918
00:23:06.109 --> 00:23:06.569
with

919
00:23:06.790 --> 00:23:09.270
those honed critical thinking skills.

920
00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:11.260
That's what I really want them to take away.

921
00:23:11.510 --> 00:23:11.709
I mean,

922
00:23:11.790 --> 00:23:13.329
it would be nice if they can,

923
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:16.300
it's nice if one remembers like something they read,

924
00:23:16.550 --> 00:23:16.810
like,

925
00:23:16.910 --> 00:23:16.939
but,

926
00:23:17.780 --> 00:23:20.609
but I mean that that the critical thinking skills are what.

927
00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:22.319
Or what everyone needs.

928
00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:22.520
I mean,

929
00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:23.660
it doesn't matter what

930
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:25.150
path you're going on,

931
00:23:25.560 --> 00:23:27.280
everyone needs those critical thinking skills.

932
00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:27.829
So,

933
00:23:28.199 --> 00:23:30.910
so that would be the biggest takeaway I'd hope my students,

934
00:23:31.060 --> 00:23:31.439
uh,

935
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:32.479
my students have.

936
00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:36.079
Looking back on when you took the Barrett class,

937
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.859
how has it been different teaching it,

938
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.540
and would there be anything you would have told yourself

939
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:41.540
as

940
00:23:41.719 --> 00:23:43.060
a first year Barrett student?

941
00:23:43.719 --> 00:23:44.540
Oh gosh,

942
00:23:45.010 --> 00:23:45.140
hm.

943
00:23:47.280 --> 00:23:48.520
So I might not be

944
00:23:48.739 --> 00:23:50.000
following the question.

945
00:23:50.229 --> 00:23:50.239
Oh,

946
00:23:50.550 --> 00:23:51.180
because you are,

947
00:23:51.280 --> 00:23:51.339
well,

948
00:23:51.410 --> 00:23:52.359
you were a transfer student.

949
00:23:52.510 --> 00:23:52.739
So

950
00:23:53.040 --> 00:23:55.030
I guess what I'm trying to ask is,

951
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.160
now that you've been teaching the course and now that you

952
00:23:57.160 --> 00:24:00.060
see the other side of the intent of the human event,

953
00:24:00.530 --> 00:24:02.959
what would you have told yourself when you were taking

954
00:24:02.959 --> 00:24:05.819
that class that maybe would have answered your questions about

955
00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:10.300
what the human event is or how do I approach such a discussion-based class.

956
00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:13.270
Not like

957
00:24:14.199 --> 00:24:14.839
Let me think.

958
00:24:17.300 --> 00:24:17.540
I mean,

959
00:24:17.619 --> 00:24:23.660
I think that idea was pretty clearly presented when I took the human event anyway,

960
00:24:23.739 --> 00:24:28.079
so I don't know if I'd really have to tell my tell myself to do that because I think

961
00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:28.859
that

962
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:30.319
that was really,

963
00:24:30.540 --> 00:24:32.660
really pushed by the professors that I have,

964
00:24:32.739 --> 00:24:34.280
that it's really about critical thinking,

965
00:24:34.300 --> 00:24:35.150
and so

966
00:24:35.540 --> 00:24:36.979
we should be analyzing,

967
00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:38.079
analyzing

968
00:24:38.219 --> 00:24:40.609
these texts in a deep and significant way and

969
00:24:40.609 --> 00:24:42.180
think about them in different ways and play,

970
00:24:42.459 --> 00:24:43.099
play with ideas,

971
00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:44.119
and I think that's

972
00:24:44.670 --> 00:24:44.939
What I,

973
00:24:44.949 --> 00:24:45.069
I,

974
00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:46.989
what I tried to do anyway in the course,

975
00:24:47.109 --> 00:24:47.689
so.

976
00:24:48.310 --> 00:24:49.989
So now bringing it back to the present.

977
00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:52.800
Can you describe kind of a day in your life you're at work,

978
00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:55.089
you're working for Barrett in addition to your

979
00:24:55.750 --> 00:24:57.579
outside programs that you're working on?

980
00:24:57.910 --> 00:24:58.150
Yeah,

981
00:24:58.270 --> 00:24:59.060
that

982
00:24:59.189 --> 00:25:01.550
every day is so different,

983
00:25:03.050 --> 00:25:04.310
but so it's really hard to say,

984
00:25:04.410 --> 00:25:04.890
but

985
00:25:05.229 --> 00:25:05.560
um,

986
00:25:05.670 --> 00:25:06.089
let me

987
00:25:06.310 --> 00:25:07.510
see here.

988
00:25:20.739 --> 00:25:21.329
So,

989
00:25:21.339 --> 00:25:21.500
yeah,

990
00:25:21.579 --> 00:25:23.699
every day is quite a bit different,

991
00:25:23.979 --> 00:25:24.640
but,

992
00:25:24.750 --> 00:25:25.359
um,

993
00:25:25.660 --> 00:25:25.849
I mean,

994
00:25:25.900 --> 00:25:26.260
of course,

995
00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:27.760
like I may be teaching class

996
00:25:28.459 --> 00:25:29.089
one day.

997
00:25:29.459 --> 00:25:33.569
Most days I'm meeting with students uh to to talk about,

998
00:25:33.939 --> 00:25:34.140
uh,

999
00:25:34.150 --> 00:25:37.479
to talk about ideas in the class or to talk about their papers,

1000
00:25:37.489 --> 00:25:40.280
or I'm meeting with thesis students that I'm working with.

1001
00:25:40.849 --> 00:25:41.310
Uh,

1002
00:25:41.489 --> 00:25:41.609
you know,

1003
00:25:41.689 --> 00:25:43.229
I might be attending,

1004
00:25:43.250 --> 00:25:43.660
uh,

1005
00:25:43.729 --> 00:25:48.030
a CSRD event or a Barrett lecture or something like that.

1006
00:25:48.449 --> 00:25:48.640
Uh,

1007
00:25:48.729 --> 00:25:50.410
as I talked about the Inside Out program,

1008
00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:53.069
there's a lot of organization and kind of,

1009
00:25:53.329 --> 00:25:53.599
uh,

1010
00:25:53.609 --> 00:25:56.390
administrative details to take care of with that,

1011
00:25:56.530 --> 00:25:58.089
so I'm often working on that,

1012
00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:59.069
communicating with,

1013
00:25:59.170 --> 00:26:00.150
with people,

1014
00:26:00.530 --> 00:26:00.849
uh.

1015
00:26:01.660 --> 00:26:02.130
Also,

1016
00:26:02.209 --> 00:26:02.530
of course,

1017
00:26:02.650 --> 00:26:03.140
there's just,

1018
00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:04.109
there's grading,

1019
00:26:04.369 --> 00:26:06.430
there are admin there's administrative stuff,

1020
00:26:06.969 --> 00:26:07.170
uh,

1021
00:26:07.250 --> 00:26:08.030
and also

1022
00:26:08.209 --> 00:26:09.069
I also work,

1023
00:26:09.209 --> 00:26:09.790
uh,

1024
00:26:09.930 --> 00:26:10.489
with the,

1025
00:26:10.609 --> 00:26:11.680
the travel program,

1026
00:26:11.689 --> 00:26:15.170
and I'm also participating in one of the travel programs this summer.

1027
00:26:15.329 --> 00:26:15.670
So,

1028
00:26:16.089 --> 00:26:17.400
so that also certainly,

1029
00:26:17.410 --> 00:26:17.709
uh,

1030
00:26:17.810 --> 00:26:18.489
takes up some,

1031
00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:19.170
some time too,

1032
00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:19.770
which is a lot of fun,

1033
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:20.369
aren't you going to.

1034
00:26:20.765 --> 00:26:20.994
Australia,

1035
00:26:21.074 --> 00:26:21.875
is that true?

1036
00:26:22.185 --> 00:26:22.415
Uh,

1037
00:26:22.594 --> 00:26:23.714
Germany and Switzerland.

1038
00:26:24.675 --> 00:26:26.714
Can you talk a little bit about this program as well?

1039
00:26:26.954 --> 00:26:27.194
Oh,

1040
00:26:27.275 --> 00:26:27.474
yeah,

1041
00:26:27.635 --> 00:26:27.915
sure.

1042
00:26:28.135 --> 00:26:28.625
So,

1043
00:26:28.755 --> 00:26:29.214
uh,

1044
00:26:29.314 --> 00:26:30.824
I am going along with Dr.

1045
00:26:31.755 --> 00:26:32.104
Fetti,

1046
00:26:32.155 --> 00:26:33.454
who designed this program,

1047
00:26:33.954 --> 00:26:33.984
uh,

1048
00:26:33.994 --> 00:26:35.505
Finding Frankenstein.

1049
00:26:35.864 --> 00:26:37.555
So it's going to be awesome and amazing.

1050
00:26:37.635 --> 00:26:38.714
I may be a little biased,

1051
00:26:38.795 --> 00:26:39.104
but

1052
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:40.599
It's,

1053
00:26:40.719 --> 00:26:41.310
we're going,

1054
00:26:41.560 --> 00:26:41.640
well,

1055
00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:41.920
well,

1056
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:43.719
there's so many things I like about this program.

1057
00:26:43.800 --> 00:26:43.880
Well,

1058
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:44.280
for one thing,

1059
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:44.520
I mean,

1060
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.329
Germany and Switzerland are just amazing,

1061
00:26:46.430 --> 00:26:48.560
but we're going to actually be going to some more,

1062
00:26:48.760 --> 00:26:49.869
some more of the,

1063
00:26:50.229 --> 00:26:51.439
the smaller towns,

1064
00:26:51.560 --> 00:26:51.719
uh,

1065
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.310
so we can be more immersed in the culture there,

1066
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:55.479
because when you go to a big city,

1067
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.069
so if you go to a tourist trap,

1068
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.829
sometimes 1 may not even really feel like there's

1069
00:27:00.099 --> 00:27:01.459
somewhere that different than,

1070
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:02.390
uh,

1071
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:03.540
a place in the US,

1072
00:27:04.199 --> 00:27:04.540
but

1073
00:27:05.010 --> 00:27:05.140
Uh,

1074
00:27:05.219 --> 00:27:05.660
and also,

1075
00:27:05.739 --> 00:27:05.900
I mean,

1076
00:27:05.979 --> 00:27:07.880
as the theme is Finding Frankenstein,

1077
00:27:08.060 --> 00:27:09.430
we'll be visiting

1078
00:27:09.859 --> 00:27:11.479
significant places from,

1079
00:27:11.739 --> 00:27:13.449
from the novel Frankenstein.

1080
00:27:13.739 --> 00:27:14.209
So,

1081
00:27:14.530 --> 00:27:14.609
uh,

1082
00:27:14.660 --> 00:27:16.719
we'll be going to Frankenstein's castle,

1083
00:27:17.540 --> 00:27:17.689
uh,

1084
00:27:17.780 --> 00:27:18.839
we'll be going to the,

1085
00:27:19.380 --> 00:27:20.699
the glacier in France,

1086
00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:20.910
the,

1087
00:27:21.060 --> 00:27:21.839
the cave.

1088
00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:22.939
There's so many,

1089
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:24.579
there's so many places we'll be going.

1090
00:27:24.619 --> 00:27:25.099
I can't,

1091
00:27:25.219 --> 00:27:26.859
I can't remember them all off the top of my head,

1092
00:27:26.959 --> 00:27:27.339
but

1093
00:27:27.540 --> 00:27:27.900
it's,

1094
00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:28.180
yeah,

1095
00:27:28.260 --> 00:27:29.140
it's super exciting.

1096
00:27:29.180 --> 00:27:31.180
And then the class I'm teaching,

1097
00:27:31.579 --> 00:27:32.079
uh,

1098
00:27:32.219 --> 00:27:32.540
well.

1099
00:27:33.609 --> 00:27:34.750
So it may sound

1100
00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:35.449
far off,

1101
00:27:35.589 --> 00:27:36.050
but

1102
00:27:37.109 --> 00:27:37.550
Um,

1103
00:27:37.670 --> 00:27:38.810
but in Frankenstein,

1104
00:27:38.869 --> 00:27:40.979
there's a lot of complex identities,

1105
00:27:41.069 --> 00:27:43.329
so I'm actually kind of taking that idea

1106
00:27:43.670 --> 00:27:44.239
and,

1107
00:27:44.250 --> 00:27:44.650
uh,

1108
00:27:44.750 --> 00:27:46.089
bridging it with

1109
00:27:46.569 --> 00:27:47.250
Switzerland,

1110
00:27:47.329 --> 00:27:49.170
which I think has a complex identity,

1111
00:27:49.250 --> 00:27:49.599
uh,

1112
00:27:49.699 --> 00:27:53.489
it having at least 4 or is it 5 languages

1113
00:27:53.729 --> 00:27:55.060
common in the country,

1114
00:27:55.410 --> 00:27:59.130
and so my class is focusing on Anne-Marie Schwarzenbach,

1115
00:27:59.209 --> 00:27:59.589
who

1116
00:28:00.170 --> 00:28:03.989
is not a well-known figure in the US but has kind of a cult following in,

1117
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:04.829
in Switzerland,

1118
00:28:05.040 --> 00:28:08.910
and I'm going to be talking about uh her complex identity.

1119
00:28:09.270 --> 00:28:09.569
In

1120
00:28:10.109 --> 00:28:10.829
multiple levels,

1121
00:28:10.949 --> 00:28:11.380
so kind of,

1122
00:28:11.430 --> 00:28:12.380
I want to say,

1123
00:28:12.390 --> 00:28:14.709
sort of mirrors Switzerland's complex identity,

1124
00:28:14.739 --> 00:28:18.550
also like Switzerland being neutral in the war and what in World War II,

1125
00:28:18.630 --> 00:28:19.910
but what does that really mean?

1126
00:28:20.150 --> 00:28:20.609
Um,

1127
00:28:21.189 --> 00:28:21.890
and then

1128
00:28:22.349 --> 00:28:23.750
Anne-Marie Schwarzenbach,

1129
00:28:23.910 --> 00:28:24.430
she,

1130
00:28:24.869 --> 00:28:25.369
uh,

1131
00:28:25.390 --> 00:28:27.780
actually she was kind of growing up,

1132
00:28:27.790 --> 00:28:28.530
uh,

1133
00:28:28.540 --> 00:28:28.550
at,

1134
00:28:28.750 --> 00:28:31.369
she was a young adult when World War II was breaking out,

1135
00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:34.369
and her parents were supporting the fascists and she was

1136
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.550
Strongly opposed to to that movement,

1137
00:28:37.560 --> 00:28:39.109
and she was actually a journalist,

1138
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.380
a photojournalist and a writer,

1139
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.599
and traveled all over the world writing stories and taking pictures.

1140
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:46.510
So,

1141
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:46.920
uh,

1142
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:49.489
so she certainly had kind of maybe multiple

1143
00:28:49.959 --> 00:28:51.619
identities in terms of

1144
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:52.719
kind of how,

1145
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:53.760
how much she traveled,

1146
00:28:53.829 --> 00:28:54.739
but also

1147
00:28:55.199 --> 00:28:55.550
she,

1148
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:56.060
uh,

1149
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:57.430
she dressed,

1150
00:28:57.640 --> 00:28:59.099
she started dressing as a boy,

1151
00:28:59.540 --> 00:28:59.550
uh,

1152
00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:00.459
like a boy,

1153
00:29:00.959 --> 00:29:01.410
quote,

1154
00:29:01.699 --> 00:29:01.709
uh,

1155
00:29:01.760 --> 00:29:02.439
when she was a young child.

1156
00:29:02.594 --> 00:29:02.925
Child,

1157
00:29:02.954 --> 00:29:05.155
and I guess all just kind of always

1158
00:29:05.155 --> 00:29:07.555
dressed like that uh throughout throughout her life.

1159
00:29:07.675 --> 00:29:07.864
So,

1160
00:29:07.915 --> 00:29:08.375
and

1161
00:29:08.714 --> 00:29:09.045
uh

1162
00:29:09.275 --> 00:29:11.954
she had relationships with both men and women,

1163
00:29:12.074 --> 00:29:14.734
so she had kind of multiple layers of a complex,

1164
00:29:15.035 --> 00:29:15.915
complex identity.

1165
00:29:16.314 --> 00:29:16.805
So

1166
00:29:16.954 --> 00:29:19.564
that's how I'm kind of tying it in with the Finding Frankenstein,

1167
00:29:19.675 --> 00:29:20.395
since Frankenstein,

1168
00:29:20.515 --> 00:29:23.194
the characters in Frankenstein have a complex identity.

1169
00:29:23.265 --> 00:29:24.675
This is another kind of branch,

1170
00:29:24.714 --> 00:29:25.265
branch of that.

1171
00:29:25.314 --> 00:29:27.025
So when you're coming up with this course,

1172
00:29:27.194 --> 00:29:28.415
what is your first step

1173
00:29:28.755 --> 00:29:30.275
when you're given this opportunity?

1174
00:29:30.665 --> 00:29:30.974
Uh,

1175
00:29:31.114 --> 00:29:31.834
well,

1176
00:29:33.030 --> 00:29:34.010
So

1177
00:29:34.469 --> 00:29:35.560
I guess it was.

1178
00:29:36.540 --> 00:29:36.750
It was,

1179
00:29:36.910 --> 00:29:37.150
I mean,

1180
00:29:37.229 --> 00:29:39.150
this totally just draws from my own lucky

1181
00:29:41.020 --> 00:29:41.449
experience.

1182
00:29:41.589 --> 00:29:47.089
So I only know about Anne Marie Schwartzenbach because uh my thesis advisor

1183
00:29:47.459 --> 00:29:48.170
is

1184
00:29:48.349 --> 00:29:48.630
her,

1185
00:29:48.949 --> 00:29:52.989
my dissertation advisor is a relative of hers,

1186
00:29:53.109 --> 00:29:54.859
but also studies her

1187
00:29:55.030 --> 00:29:56.849
and is writing a book on her,

1188
00:29:56.979 --> 00:29:57.229
uh,

1189
00:29:57.469 --> 00:29:59.130
she's become kind of more popular

1190
00:29:59.310 --> 00:30:00.469
in the years in Switzerland,

1191
00:30:00.589 --> 00:30:00.739
so,

1192
00:30:00.790 --> 00:30:00.949
yeah,

1193
00:30:01.109 --> 00:30:01.380
she's,

1194
00:30:01.510 --> 00:30:02.099
she's Swiss,

1195
00:30:02.150 --> 00:30:03.050
so it's just kind of

1196
00:30:03.719 --> 00:30:04.150
Dumb luck,

1197
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:04.640
if you will,

1198
00:30:04.719 --> 00:30:09.760
that like when uh when Doctor Fetty proposed this course and was asking for,

1199
00:30:09.869 --> 00:30:10.000
you know,

1200
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.510
courses to be paired along with it,

1201
00:30:11.560 --> 00:30:11.839
I thought,

1202
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:12.160
huh,

1203
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:12.699
maybe,

1204
00:30:13.040 --> 00:30:13.599
maybe that,

1205
00:30:13.719 --> 00:30:14.920
maybe that could work and well,

1206
00:30:14.959 --> 00:30:15.349
it did,

1207
00:30:15.479 --> 00:30:15.880
so.

1208
00:30:18.780 --> 00:30:22.219
Do you have a particular mentor in Barrett or anyone

1209
00:30:22.219 --> 00:30:24.199
that you've worked with that's really stood out to you?

1210
00:30:24.300 --> 00:30:24.810
Oh gosh,

1211
00:30:24.930 --> 00:30:25.640
there's so many.

1212
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:28.180
Goodness,

1213
00:30:28.280 --> 00:30:28.520
goodness,

1214
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:29.650
you can name a few,

1215
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:30.199
yeah,

1216
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:30.650
yeah,

1217
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:31.459
so,

1218
00:30:31.510 --> 00:30:31.760
so

1219
00:30:32.239 --> 00:30:33.260
Barrett is.

1220
00:30:34.489 --> 00:30:38.489
I cannot emphasize enough how incredibly amazing Barrett is

1221
00:30:38.770 --> 00:30:42.719
in providing mentors to one another when first starting to teach here,

1222
00:30:43.050 --> 00:30:43.209
because,

1223
00:30:43.250 --> 00:30:43.489
I mean,

1224
00:30:43.530 --> 00:30:43.890
it's,

1225
00:30:44.010 --> 00:30:44.510
I mean,

1226
00:30:44.800 --> 00:30:45.290
to be frank,

1227
00:30:45.329 --> 00:30:47.609
it's a pretty tough job in terms of,

1228
00:30:47.969 --> 00:30:48.930
because none of us

1229
00:30:49.130 --> 00:30:50.510
were teaching texts

1230
00:30:50.810 --> 00:30:51.489
as I was.

1231
00:30:51.550 --> 00:30:54.069
Talking about earlier from all different disciplines,

1232
00:30:54.109 --> 00:30:55.030
and we are not,

1233
00:30:55.430 --> 00:30:55.709
we are,

1234
00:30:55.949 --> 00:30:57.760
we don't have PhDs and,

1235
00:30:57.829 --> 00:30:58.109
you know,

1236
00:30:58.229 --> 00:30:58.550
we don't have,

1237
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.510
we all don't have like 6 different PhDs.

1238
00:31:00.589 --> 00:31:01.010
So

1239
00:31:01.270 --> 00:31:02.489
we need to kind of in,

1240
00:31:02.790 --> 00:31:03.099
uh,

1241
00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:03.349
you know,

1242
00:31:03.589 --> 00:31:04.130
designing

1243
00:31:04.390 --> 00:31:06.069
effective discussion questions and things.

1244
00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:06.380
It's,

1245
00:31:06.430 --> 00:31:07.069
I think it's,

1246
00:31:07.229 --> 00:31:09.030
it's a lot to take on teaching job.

1247
00:31:09.989 --> 00:31:10.189
Uh,

1248
00:31:10.310 --> 00:31:11.209
but I think that

1249
00:31:11.630 --> 00:31:12.140
luckily,

1250
00:31:12.150 --> 00:31:16.109
Barrett understands that and we get so much support from our fellow colleagues.

1251
00:31:16.430 --> 00:31:16.589
Uh,

1252
00:31:16.910 --> 00:31:18.810
we actually have a mentoring program,

1253
00:31:18.989 --> 00:31:19.560
so new,

1254
00:31:19.790 --> 00:31:19.949
uh,

1255
00:31:20.069 --> 00:31:22.449
new faculty get paired up and matched up

1256
00:31:22.709 --> 00:31:23.109
with,

1257
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:23.500
uh,

1258
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:25.229
more experienced faculty,

1259
00:31:25.349 --> 00:31:25.540
uh,

1260
00:31:25.670 --> 00:31:27.300
and actually the faculty members,

1261
00:31:27.349 --> 00:31:28.349
I guess just that I

1262
00:31:28.550 --> 00:31:29.229
work with most,

1263
00:31:29.310 --> 00:31:30.689
who I was assigned to,

1264
00:31:30.750 --> 00:31:31.010
uh,

1265
00:31:31.109 --> 00:31:33.900
were Doctor O'Flaherty and Doctor Scott,

1266
00:31:34.189 --> 00:31:37.000
so they've been incredibly helpful in

1267
00:31:37.750 --> 00:31:38.689
helping me.

1268
00:31:39.280 --> 00:31:39.650
Uh,

1269
00:31:39.770 --> 00:31:42.109
kind of figure out how this whole human event thing

1270
00:31:43.209 --> 00:31:43.709
works

1271
00:31:44.140 --> 00:31:45.609
and the best ways to navigate it.

1272
00:31:45.689 --> 00:31:45.849
I mean,

1273
00:31:45.959 --> 00:31:46.250
but again,

1274
00:31:46.329 --> 00:31:49.729
like so many people have been so helpful with like little things here and there.

1275
00:31:49.890 --> 00:31:52.239
It's what I have to just say like everybody,

1276
00:31:52.329 --> 00:31:52.729
but

1277
00:31:53.089 --> 00:31:54.280
I've worked mostly with,

1278
00:31:54.329 --> 00:31:54.969
with them.

1279
00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:55.560
Now,

1280
00:31:55.650 --> 00:31:56.599
when you took Barrett,

1281
00:31:56.689 --> 00:31:58.810
does your Barrett teacher still work for Barrett,

1282
00:31:58.849 --> 00:31:59.800
or do you,

1283
00:31:59.810 --> 00:31:59.930
do you?

1284
00:32:00.060 --> 00:32:00.569
Yeah,

1285
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:00.810
uh,

1286
00:32:01.020 --> 00:32:01.339
yes,

1287
00:32:01.439 --> 00:32:01.640
yes,

1288
00:32:01.780 --> 00:32:01.939
yes,

1289
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:02.130
so,

1290
00:32:02.219 --> 00:32:02.300
well,

1291
00:32:02.380 --> 00:32:03.599
actually the human event,

1292
00:32:03.819 --> 00:32:04.180
no,

1293
00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:04.689
they are not,

1294
00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:05.810
they aren't,

1295
00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:06.089
uh,

1296
00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:07.219
at Barrett anymore,

1297
00:32:07.339 --> 00:32:09.010
but when I,

1298
00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:09.410
uh,

1299
00:32:09.540 --> 00:32:10.790
attended study abroad,

1300
00:32:10.900 --> 00:32:11.020
yeah,

1301
00:32:11.260 --> 00:32:13.599
22 of those professors are still here.

1302
00:32:14.420 --> 00:32:14.839
So

1303
00:32:15.229 --> 00:32:15.510
yeah,

1304
00:32:15.619 --> 00:32:15.849
it's,

1305
00:32:16.420 --> 00:32:16.530
yeah,

1306
00:32:16.739 --> 00:32:17.150
pretty fun.

1307
00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:18.880
So my next,

1308
00:32:19.040 --> 00:32:20.390
my next question for you is,

1309
00:32:20.439 --> 00:32:24.339
what makes Barrett downtown since you took classes at Tempe different

1310
00:32:24.719 --> 00:32:25.239
from.

1311
00:32:26.430 --> 00:32:28.270
Your previous experience with Barrett.

1312
00:32:28.430 --> 00:32:28.760
Yeah,

1313
00:32:28.989 --> 00:32:29.500
so,

1314
00:32:29.619 --> 00:32:30.060
uh,

1315
00:32:30.069 --> 00:32:31.650
Barrett Downtown is,

1316
00:32:32.270 --> 00:32:32.349
yeah,

1317
00:32:32.430 --> 00:32:33.660
I think really unique,

1318
00:32:33.829 --> 00:32:33.949
well,

1319
00:32:34.060 --> 00:32:34.949
for a number of reasons.

1320
00:32:35.030 --> 00:32:35.229
I mean,

1321
00:32:35.510 --> 00:32:35.630
well,

1322
00:32:35.750 --> 00:32:38.949
we're literally embedded in the downtown community.

1323
00:32:39.060 --> 00:32:39.140
Uh,

1324
00:32:39.229 --> 00:32:39.310
well,

1325
00:32:39.390 --> 00:32:39.750
for one thing,

1326
00:32:39.790 --> 00:32:41.109
it's in an urban environment,

1327
00:32:41.189 --> 00:32:41.930
which the other

1328
00:32:42.260 --> 00:32:43.339
campuses are not,

1329
00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:44.130
and,

1330
00:32:44.430 --> 00:32:44.579
but,

1331
00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:44.780
and,

1332
00:32:44.829 --> 00:32:46.010
and also we're not.

1333
00:32:46.459 --> 00:32:46.609
Uh,

1334
00:32:46.780 --> 00:32:49.020
Barrett downtown is not like sequestered off.

1335
00:32:49.099 --> 00:32:50.699
It's not separated from downtown.

1336
00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:51.859
It's completely,

1337
00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:52.290
I mean,

1338
00:32:52.300 --> 00:32:52.729
it's,

1339
00:32:52.979 --> 00:32:53.569
you just kind of,

1340
00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:54.719
it looks like another,

1341
00:32:55.020 --> 00:32:55.180
you know,

1342
00:32:55.339 --> 00:32:56.099
downtown building.

1343
00:32:56.140 --> 00:32:58.540
It's just completely integrated into the city.

1344
00:32:59.140 --> 00:32:59.760
So,

1345
00:32:59.780 --> 00:33:00.160
uh,

1346
00:33:00.750 --> 00:33:01.150
So I,

1347
00:33:01.229 --> 00:33:03.069
I really like that feel,

1348
00:33:03.150 --> 00:33:03.410
uh,

1349
00:33:03.430 --> 00:33:05.390
feeling integrated in the community and,

1350
00:33:05.469 --> 00:33:06.030
and the city,

1351
00:33:06.069 --> 00:33:06.500
and I think,

1352
00:33:06.550 --> 00:33:11.209
and it also provides them amazing resources just right outside our doorstep.

1353
00:33:11.709 --> 00:33:12.250
So,

1354
00:33:12.550 --> 00:33:12.969
having,

1355
00:33:13.270 --> 00:33:13.619
for instance,

1356
00:33:13.699 --> 00:33:18.099
like news stations right around the corner for journalism majors and,

1357
00:33:18.430 --> 00:33:18.630
I mean,

1358
00:33:18.670 --> 00:33:20.619
all the courthouses are right down here,

1359
00:33:20.630 --> 00:33:22.729
and now we have the law school down here,

1360
00:33:23.199 --> 00:33:23.209
uh,

1361
00:33:23.219 --> 00:33:25.869
and also so many hospitals are in the area too,

1362
00:33:25.949 --> 00:33:26.770
and we have the Mayo,

1363
00:33:26.910 --> 00:33:27.199
uh,

1364
00:33:27.300 --> 00:33:28.729
Mayo Clinic partnership.

1365
00:33:29.170 --> 00:33:29.599
And,

1366
00:33:29.689 --> 00:33:33.270
and then also just having so many museums and

1367
00:33:33.410 --> 00:33:35.160
theater venues,

1368
00:33:35.569 --> 00:33:35.930
uh,

1369
00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:37.160
music venues,

1370
00:33:37.650 --> 00:33:38.119
restaurants,

1371
00:33:38.209 --> 00:33:38.449
I mean,

1372
00:33:38.530 --> 00:33:41.119
it's all so tightly knit and close,

1373
00:33:41.130 --> 00:33:43.219
and here you can really walk to

1374
00:33:43.729 --> 00:33:45.329
pretty much all those places from here,

1375
00:33:45.410 --> 00:33:46.930
which I think is not,

1376
00:33:47.209 --> 00:33:47.479
um,

1377
00:33:47.609 --> 00:33:49.339
things are not quite as accessible.

1378
00:33:49.410 --> 00:33:49.800
Um,

1379
00:33:49.930 --> 00:33:50.119
I mean,

1380
00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:52.089
they're certainly accessible from other campuses,

1381
00:33:52.170 --> 00:33:52.550
but it's just,

1382
00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:54.290
it's super convenient and embedded,

1383
00:33:54.410 --> 00:33:54.949
I think,

1384
00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:56.170
in comparison.

1385
00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:57.680
campuses.

1386
00:33:58.020 --> 00:33:58.280
So,

1387
00:33:58.290 --> 00:34:02.140
Barrett has this this goal to cultivate global citizenship.

1388
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.979
How do you explore that in your courses and

1389
00:34:04.979 --> 00:34:07.319
then integrate that into your life as a teacher?

1390
00:34:07.469 --> 00:34:07.479
Um,

1391
00:34:08.370 --> 00:34:08.379
yeah,

1392
00:34:08.540 --> 00:34:09.219
good question.

1393
00:34:09.418 --> 00:34:09.770
So,

1394
00:34:09.780 --> 00:34:09.978
I mean,

1395
00:34:10.020 --> 00:34:10.310
I,

1396
00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:13.840
I really certainly keep that in mind and

1397
00:34:14.329 --> 00:34:15.228
Designing,

1398
00:34:15.289 --> 00:34:15.478
uh,

1399
00:34:15.489 --> 00:34:16.168
the syllabus,

1400
00:34:16.289 --> 00:34:18.289
as do I think all the Barrett faculty,

1401
00:34:18.408 --> 00:34:20.789
want to make sure we include voices

1402
00:34:21.128 --> 00:34:22.549
from all over the world,

1403
00:34:22.569 --> 00:34:22.819
uh,

1404
00:34:22.928 --> 00:34:24.089
when we're constructing,

1405
00:34:24.168 --> 00:34:27.228
constructing our classes and not focusing just on

1406
00:34:27.529 --> 00:34:28.009
kind of the,

1407
00:34:28.049 --> 00:34:29.368
the old white Western man.

1408
00:34:29.445 --> 00:34:29.864
Which

1409
00:34:30.175 --> 00:34:31.063
is kind of the

1410
00:34:31.195 --> 00:34:32.375
academic canon.

1411
00:34:32.725 --> 00:34:33.344
So,

1412
00:34:33.885 --> 00:34:35.004
so that's certainly,

1413
00:34:35.125 --> 00:34:35.645
I think,

1414
00:34:35.885 --> 00:34:36.043
yeah,

1415
00:34:36.165 --> 00:34:37.543
what I do in my classes,

1416
00:34:38.043 --> 00:34:38.524
but also,

1417
00:34:38.603 --> 00:34:39.145
um,

1418
00:34:39.774 --> 00:34:42.495
per like another project I want to work on.

1419
00:34:42.764 --> 00:34:42.905
So,

1420
00:34:42.925 --> 00:34:43.083
you know,

1421
00:34:43.205 --> 00:34:44.304
there's so many projects.

1422
00:34:46.018 --> 00:34:46.299
Uh,

1423
00:34:46.447 --> 00:34:47.099
is that,

1424
00:34:47.329 --> 00:34:47.418
oh well,

1425
00:34:47.458 --> 00:34:47.618
I mean,

1426
00:34:47.658 --> 00:34:47.898
of course,

1427
00:34:47.938 --> 00:34:49.299
I'm participating in this,

1428
00:34:49.339 --> 00:34:49.529
uh,

1429
00:34:49.618 --> 00:34:51.248
study abroad this coming summer,

1430
00:34:51.539 --> 00:34:53.268
but I'm hoping to,

1431
00:34:53.339 --> 00:34:53.819
uh,

1432
00:34:54.618 --> 00:34:55.039
design,

1433
00:34:55.309 --> 00:34:55.829
uh,

1434
00:34:55.849 --> 00:34:58.059
a new study abroad to Mexico City.

1435
00:34:58.218 --> 00:34:59.418
I still need to look into this.

1436
00:34:59.499 --> 00:34:59.819
This is,

1437
00:34:59.898 --> 00:35:03.468
I literally pretty much just have the idea that I want to go to Mexico City.

1438
00:35:03.658 --> 00:35:04.858
I don't know what that looks like yet,

1439
00:35:04.979 --> 00:35:05.339
but

1440
00:35:05.499 --> 00:35:07.099
I'd certainly want to,

1441
00:35:07.218 --> 00:35:07.599
um,

1442
00:35:08.489 --> 00:35:08.889
Uh,

1443
00:35:09.010 --> 00:35:09.360
kind of,

1444
00:35:09.620 --> 00:35:10.219
uh,

1445
00:35:10.250 --> 00:35:10.399
uh,

1446
00:35:10.469 --> 00:35:10.479
that,

1447
00:35:10.489 --> 00:35:11.919
that's another project I want to,

1448
00:35:11.969 --> 00:35:12.270
uh,

1449
00:35:12.409 --> 00:35:13.790
to work on to

1450
00:35:13.929 --> 00:35:14.750
kind of integrate

1451
00:35:14.979 --> 00:35:18.080
this idea of very little global citizenship

1452
00:35:18.770 --> 00:35:19.000
in,

1453
00:35:19.060 --> 00:35:19.830
in the college,

1454
00:35:19.919 --> 00:35:20.290
and yeah,

1455
00:35:20.370 --> 00:35:21.520
I don't think we,

1456
00:35:21.649 --> 00:35:21.770
yeah,

1457
00:35:21.879 --> 00:35:22.689
we don't have a,

1458
00:35:22.729 --> 00:35:24.129
a lot of our trips,

1459
00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:24.610
uh,

1460
00:35:24.729 --> 00:35:27.159
often do go to European destinations.

1461
00:35:27.209 --> 00:35:27.449
Of course,

1462
00:35:27.489 --> 00:35:28.729
we have other destinations too,

1463
00:35:28.820 --> 00:35:29.610
but I'd like to

1464
00:35:30.010 --> 00:35:30.989
get a look more into.

1465
00:35:31.929 --> 00:35:32.530
Uh,

1466
00:35:32.770 --> 00:35:33.209
to Mexico,

1467
00:35:33.250 --> 00:35:33.449
I mean,

1468
00:35:33.489 --> 00:35:33.889
it's right,

1469
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:34.659
it's right here,

1470
00:35:34.889 --> 00:35:35.090
so,

1471
00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:35.330
uh,

1472
00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:35.459
well,

1473
00:35:35.540 --> 00:35:35.689
I mean,

1474
00:35:35.770 --> 00:35:36.969
Mexico City is a bit further,

1475
00:35:37.169 --> 00:35:37.580
but,

1476
00:35:37.889 --> 00:35:38.209
um,

1477
00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:40.840
I think that would be a great opportunity for students to,

1478
00:35:41.209 --> 00:35:42.969
to learn about places that

1479
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:46.429
That we're not so so far away and that we have a,

1480
00:35:46.889 --> 00:35:46.899
a,

1481
00:35:46.949 --> 00:35:47.139
you know,

1482
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:48.639
a pretty close relationship with.

1483
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.560
Now this is a pretty lofty question,

1484
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.080
but why isn't Barrett important to you?

1485
00:35:55.090 --> 00:35:55.280
Oh

1486
00:35:55.610 --> 00:35:55.770
God,

1487
00:35:55.929 --> 00:35:56.649
why is it important?

1488
00:35:56.729 --> 00:35:57.110
I mean,

1489
00:35:57.449 --> 00:35:58.350
so many reasons.

1490
00:36:00.169 --> 00:36:00.449
I mean,

1491
00:36:00.530 --> 00:36:01.570
I really,

1492
00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:02.090
yeah,

1493
00:36:02.209 --> 00:36:03.870
I really like how.

1494
00:36:05.149 --> 00:36:05.469
Uh,

1495
00:36:05.629 --> 00:36:07.750
Brick focuses on

1496
00:36:08.229 --> 00:36:09.149
the student,

1497
00:36:09.469 --> 00:36:09.590
the,

1498
00:36:09.669 --> 00:36:12.949
the student experience and student success,

1499
00:36:13.350 --> 00:36:16.370
and so that provides opportunities to

1500
00:36:17.080 --> 00:36:17.489
Uh,

1501
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:18.000
you know,

1502
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.790
work with students on amazing projects and,

1503
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.260
uh,

1504
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.629
get the opportunity to watch them,

1505
00:36:24.879 --> 00:36:26.500
them grow academically,

1506
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:27.199
and I mean,

1507
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:28.219
having these,

1508
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:28.479
uh,

1509
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:31.260
amazingly high standards for honors education,

1510
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.060
I think being in a place where we can really

1511
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:38.100
have the freedom to push students to really do the best that they can,

1512
00:36:38.120 --> 00:36:38.560
uh,

1513
00:36:38.610 --> 00:36:39.090
is,

1514
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:40.459
is fantastic.

1515
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:42.870
Um,

1516
00:36:43.889 --> 00:36:44.310
Yeah.

1517
00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:47.419
I'm not sure if I quite answered that adequately,

1518
00:36:47.510 --> 00:36:47.820
but

1519
00:36:48.110 --> 00:36:48.189
no,

1520
00:36:48.270 --> 00:36:48.459
I,

1521
00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:50.850
I think you did a really great job with that question.

1522
00:36:51.469 --> 00:36:53.429
So that that brings me to my next question is,

1523
00:36:53.669 --> 00:36:55.969
how do you think your background helps you teach

1524
00:36:56.189 --> 00:36:56.989
the human event?

1525
00:36:58.139 --> 00:36:58.290
Um.

1526
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:05.610
This is more of an opinion

1527
00:37:05.899 --> 00:37:06.070
question,

1528
00:37:06.340 --> 00:37:06.439
yeah,

1529
00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:07.820
I know later on in the.

1530
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:13.510
Oh,

1531
00:37:13.600 --> 00:37:13.979
OK.

1532
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:16.610
Oh,

1533
00:37:16.729 --> 00:37:16.760
what,

1534
00:37:16.989 --> 00:37:18.209
what was it prepared me,

1535
00:37:18.250 --> 00:37:18.770
or yeah,

1536
00:37:18.889 --> 00:37:19.370
like how,

1537
00:37:19.530 --> 00:37:22.260
how does it make you qualified and what your background?

1538
00:37:23.139 --> 00:37:23.149
Yeah,

1539
00:37:23.489 --> 00:37:24.080
so,

1540
00:37:24.310 --> 00:37:24.449
well,

1541
00:37:25.370 --> 00:37:25.729
so I,

1542
00:37:25.850 --> 00:37:25.929
well,

1543
00:37:26.010 --> 00:37:26.610
I guess it

1544
00:37:27.129 --> 00:37:29.879
as of this year I've been teaching for,

1545
00:37:30.129 --> 00:37:32.729
I've been teaching critical thinking and argumentative

1546
00:37:32.729 --> 00:37:34.800
writing for about 14 years now,

1547
00:37:34.929 --> 00:37:35.969
so I was teaching,

1548
00:37:36.050 --> 00:37:38.350
I had been teaching that for about 10 years.

1549
00:37:38.879 --> 00:37:39.419
Uh,

1550
00:37:39.590 --> 00:37:40.479
before starting at Barrett.

1551
00:37:40.560 --> 00:37:40.649
So,

1552
00:37:40.889 --> 00:37:40.899
and,

1553
00:37:40.909 --> 00:37:41.909
and as I was mentioning,

1554
00:37:41.959 --> 00:37:44.639
I think critical thinking is really what the human event,

1555
00:37:44.919 --> 00:37:45.179
it,

1556
00:37:45.229 --> 00:37:45.360
uh,

1557
00:37:45.389 --> 00:37:48.239
is all about developing those critical thinking skills

1558
00:37:48.520 --> 00:37:48.679
that,

1559
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:48.949
I mean,

1560
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.239
that's really what my training is in,

1561
00:37:51.510 --> 00:37:51.679
uh,

1562
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.080
specifically in,

1563
00:37:53.399 --> 00:37:53.659
of course,

1564
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.679
my background is in philosophy,

1565
00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:58.270
and so that's a certainly a core subject that,

1566
00:37:58.320 --> 00:37:59.739
that comes up in the human events.

1567
00:37:59.830 --> 00:38:01.040
So I think that's certainly,

1568
00:38:01.399 --> 00:38:02.379
certainly helpful,

1569
00:38:02.419 --> 00:38:02.760
uh,

1570
00:38:02.879 --> 00:38:03.260
in

1571
00:38:04.080 --> 00:38:04.639
my,

1572
00:38:04.959 --> 00:38:05.260
you know,

1573
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:05.530
uh,

1574
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:06.590
being qualified to,

1575
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:07.800
to teach it.

1576
00:38:08.189 --> 00:38:08.870
And

1577
00:38:09.979 --> 00:38:10.780
I think,

1578
00:38:10.830 --> 00:38:11.530
um,

1579
00:38:11.909 --> 00:38:12.260
I think,

1580
00:38:12.429 --> 00:38:12.699
well,

1581
00:38:13.070 --> 00:38:15.790
I might be biased as I am a philosophy person,

1582
00:38:15.870 --> 00:38:17.129
but I think philosophy is

1583
00:38:17.550 --> 00:38:18.449
particularly

1584
00:38:18.709 --> 00:38:21.070
useful in the human event in developing

1585
00:38:21.070 --> 00:38:24.310
those critical thinking skills and argumentative skills as

1586
00:38:24.550 --> 00:38:25.149
it is so,

1587
00:38:25.389 --> 00:38:25.870
I mean,

1588
00:38:26.149 --> 00:38:28.030
philosophy is really all about arguments.

1589
00:38:28.110 --> 00:38:31.260
I think there's like a lot of misconceptions about what philosophy is,

1590
00:38:31.310 --> 00:38:32.209
like people,

1591
00:38:32.429 --> 00:38:33.870
when people ask the question,

1592
00:38:33.909 --> 00:38:34.219
like,

1593
00:38:34.310 --> 00:38:35.729
what is your philosophy?

1594
00:38:35.810 --> 00:38:37.580
I don't really that that doesn't like.

1595
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:39.939
Connect with me because

1596
00:38:40.080 --> 00:38:43.860
to me philosophy isn't just like having a theory about something.

1597
00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:45.100
It's really,

1598
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:45.699
uh,

1599
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.080
and people are often thinking about,

1600
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:48.280
well,

1601
00:38:48.340 --> 00:38:50.959
what's your theory about life or something that's usually

1602
00:38:50.959 --> 00:38:52.399
kind of what the question is getting at,

1603
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:53.649
but it's not,

1604
00:38:53.699 --> 00:38:56.219
but those questions often really aren't based on anything.

1605
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:56.629
It's like,

1606
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:56.830
well,

1607
00:38:56.879 --> 00:38:57.520
I just think this,

1608
00:38:57.600 --> 00:38:58.239
but that's not what.

1609
00:38:58.354 --> 00:38:59.705
Philosophy is it's all about

1610
00:39:00.004 --> 00:39:00.465
having

1611
00:39:01.004 --> 00:39:03.385
theories based upon rigorous arguments.

1612
00:39:03.485 --> 00:39:05.364
And since it's all about rigorous arguments,

1613
00:39:05.405 --> 00:39:06.024
I think that

1614
00:39:06.304 --> 00:39:08.604
quite well prepared me to teach the human event.

1615
00:39:08.645 --> 00:39:08.804
I mean,

1616
00:39:08.844 --> 00:39:09.745
I've even taught

1617
00:39:09.925 --> 00:39:11.245
logic in the past too,

1618
00:39:11.324 --> 00:39:11.804
which I mean,

1619
00:39:11.844 --> 00:39:12.245
that really,

1620
00:39:12.324 --> 00:39:12.524
I mean,

1621
00:39:12.685 --> 00:39:12.955
we don't,

1622
00:39:12.995 --> 00:39:13.245
of course,

1623
00:39:13.395 --> 00:39:14.324
want to do that in the human event,

1624
00:39:14.415 --> 00:39:15.544
that would like really be

1625
00:39:15.834 --> 00:39:17.445
drilling down like what we're doing.

1626
00:39:17.725 --> 00:39:17.965
We're really,

1627
00:39:18.084 --> 00:39:18.465
I mean.

1628
00:39:19.270 --> 00:39:21.979
I might argue that we are doing logic in the human event,

1629
00:39:22.030 --> 00:39:23.060
just not formally,

1630
00:39:23.429 --> 00:39:24.350
just informally.

1631
00:39:24.469 --> 00:39:24.860
So,

1632
00:39:25.189 --> 00:39:25.550
so I think,

1633
00:39:25.600 --> 00:39:25.739
yeah,

1634
00:39:25.790 --> 00:39:27.840
I've been prepared in that in those ways.

1635
00:39:28.149 --> 00:39:28.790
So based on,

1636
00:39:28.899 --> 00:39:30.610
on your emphasis on

1637
00:39:30.949 --> 00:39:32.810
forming strong critical thinkers,

1638
00:39:32.959 --> 00:39:35.760
what do you think makes a strong critical thinker?

1639
00:39:35.870 --> 00:39:38.610
How would you define a person that has those qualities?

1640
00:39:40.629 --> 00:39:42.590
I should write a paper on that I'd have to think about.

1641
00:39:43.820 --> 00:39:44.639
Um,

1642
00:39:45.379 --> 00:39:45.500
yeah,

1643
00:39:45.580 --> 00:39:46.050
that's tough.

1644
00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:46.219
Well,

1645
00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:48.439
I guess as I was mentioning before,

1646
00:39:48.929 --> 00:39:49.209
uh,

1647
00:39:49.300 --> 00:39:50.280
I think

1648
00:39:50.459 --> 00:39:53.580
a strong critical thinker really questions everything

1649
00:39:53.580 --> 00:39:55.679
and doesn't take anything at face value.

1650
00:39:56.169 --> 00:39:57.189
Looks for,

1651
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.040
for evidence for claims,

1652
00:39:59.139 --> 00:39:59.570
uh,

1653
00:39:59.689 --> 00:40:01.169
analyzes claims,

1654
00:40:01.290 --> 00:40:04.610
kind of tries to look at things from different angles in different ways,

1655
00:40:05.090 --> 00:40:05.989
and,

1656
00:40:06.100 --> 00:40:06.459
uh,

1657
00:40:06.469 --> 00:40:07.439
tries to,

1658
00:40:07.629 --> 00:40:07.729
yeah,

1659
00:40:07.830 --> 00:40:10.409
come up with creative solutions to problems,

1660
00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:11.409
kind of thinking,

1661
00:40:12.479 --> 00:40:13.429
thinking outside the box.

1662
00:40:13.729 --> 00:40:14.129
I guess that.

1663
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:16.120
Might be roughly,

1664
00:40:16.189 --> 00:40:16.590
I'd,

1665
00:40:16.709 --> 00:40:18.429
I'd want to say a lot more about that,

1666
00:40:18.580 --> 00:40:21.770
but that's all I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.

1667
00:40:22.189 --> 00:40:24.949
What has been the feedback you've gotten from past

1668
00:40:24.949 --> 00:40:28.100
students about human events or even your current students?

1669
00:40:28.229 --> 00:40:29.030
Are you

1670
00:40:29.310 --> 00:40:31.070
able to share some things that,

1671
00:40:31.550 --> 00:40:31.669
yeah,

1672
00:40:31.750 --> 00:40:32.129
I mean.

1673
00:40:32.790 --> 00:40:33.459
I know it,

1674
00:40:33.510 --> 00:40:33.830
it's,

1675
00:40:33.939 --> 00:40:35.370
it's a challenging course,

1676
00:40:35.590 --> 00:40:35.989
especially,

1677
00:40:36.209 --> 00:40:37.189
especially the essays.

1678
00:40:37.229 --> 00:40:37.830
I know,

1679
00:40:37.949 --> 00:40:38.429
uh,

1680
00:40:38.709 --> 00:40:39.969
I know the students are often,

1681
00:40:40.179 --> 00:40:40.530
uh,

1682
00:40:40.830 --> 00:40:41.610
challenged there,

1683
00:40:41.669 --> 00:40:42.050
but

1684
00:40:42.189 --> 00:40:44.510
in my experience that more often than not,

1685
00:40:44.550 --> 00:40:45.090
they

1686
00:40:45.350 --> 00:40:46.060
succeed,

1687
00:40:46.270 --> 00:40:47.330
they meet the challenge,

1688
00:40:47.439 --> 00:40:49.209
so I understand it's stressful,

1689
00:40:49.459 --> 00:40:49.780
uh,

1690
00:40:49.870 --> 00:40:50.310
but

1691
00:40:50.550 --> 00:40:51.580
I think they really,

1692
00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:56.169
they really grow a lot throughout the human event tremendously in different ways.

1693
00:40:56.669 --> 00:40:57.330
Um,

1694
00:40:57.870 --> 00:40:58.550
and yeah,

1695
00:40:58.629 --> 00:40:59.260
I think,

1696
00:40:59.270 --> 00:40:59.949
uh,

1697
00:41:00.270 --> 00:41:00.389
Yeah,

1698
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:00.629
well,

1699
00:41:00.709 --> 00:41:00.899
I mean,

1700
00:41:00.949 --> 00:41:01.830
I did just have the last,

1701
00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:04.850
we did talk about some of this in my last day of class.

1702
00:41:05.229 --> 00:41:05.669
Uh,

1703
00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:06.149
they do,

1704
00:41:06.250 --> 00:41:06.419
uh,

1705
00:41:06.469 --> 00:41:11.090
they've liked that sometimes I pair videos with the texts and kind of analyze them,

1706
00:41:11.409 --> 00:41:12.870
analyze them together,

1707
00:41:13.070 --> 00:41:13.600
so they,

1708
00:41:13.790 --> 00:41:15.449
they certainly appreciate,

1709
00:41:16.060 --> 00:41:17.310
appreciate that.

1710
00:41:18.139 --> 00:41:18.770
Um,

1711
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:21.719
I have it all written down on a piece of paper somewhere,

1712
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:22.199
but,

1713
00:41:22.540 --> 00:41:23.120
uh,

1714
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:23.639
but yeah,

1715
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:24.199
and well,

1716
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:25.139
and then the other,

1717
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:25.600
uh.

1718
00:41:27.209 --> 00:41:30.030
I'm thinking about like history of ideas,

1719
00:41:30.570 --> 00:41:31.120
they,

1720
00:41:31.209 --> 00:41:31.689
uh,

1721
00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:32.090
yeah,

1722
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.310
they really appreciated different perspectives,

1723
00:41:35.600 --> 00:41:36.000
uh,

1724
00:41:36.010 --> 00:41:36.790
put forth

1725
00:41:37.010 --> 00:41:38.510
in like like kind of

1726
00:41:38.770 --> 00:41:40.949
looking at various different social issues.

1727
00:41:42.189 --> 00:41:42.669
Uh,

1728
00:41:42.790 --> 00:41:43.350
and,

1729
00:41:43.649 --> 00:41:43.750
well,

1730
00:41:43.989 --> 00:41:45.699
actually thinking about history of ideas,

1731
00:41:45.830 --> 00:41:49.709
they said they appreciated that I wasn't trying to like tell them what to think,

1732
00:41:49.790 --> 00:41:50.290
that

1733
00:41:50.550 --> 00:41:52.070
I would interject every once in a while,

1734
00:41:52.169 --> 00:41:52.229
well,

1735
00:41:52.310 --> 00:41:53.149
what about this idea?

1736
00:41:53.229 --> 00:41:54.070
What about that idea?

1737
00:41:54.149 --> 00:41:54.500
But

1738
00:41:54.870 --> 00:41:55.070
they,

1739
00:41:55.149 --> 00:41:56.209
they said like,

1740
00:41:56.260 --> 00:41:59.050
and I very much appreciate that because that's my goal,

1741
00:42:00.229 --> 00:42:00.540
but,

1742
00:42:00.590 --> 00:42:00.909
uh,

1743
00:42:01.030 --> 00:42:01.409
yeah,

1744
00:42:01.570 --> 00:42:01.889
but,

1745
00:42:01.989 --> 00:42:02.449
um,

1746
00:42:02.629 --> 00:42:03.050
I

1747
00:42:03.189 --> 00:42:03.669
thankfully,

1748
00:42:03.750 --> 00:42:04.139
I guess,

1749
00:42:04.149 --> 00:42:04.510
uh.

1750
00:42:05.229 --> 00:42:05.469
I,

1751
00:42:05.590 --> 00:42:06.709
I think I achieved it,

1752
00:42:06.949 --> 00:42:08.810
so the students said I did this,

1753
00:42:08.830 --> 00:42:09.100
uh,

1754
00:42:09.149 --> 00:42:10.469
this year in that class anyway,

1755
00:42:10.550 --> 00:42:10.899
that,

1756
00:42:10.969 --> 00:42:11.149
you know,

1757
00:42:11.229 --> 00:42:12.800
I was good about letting them

1758
00:42:13.070 --> 00:42:13.639
kind of figure,

1759
00:42:13.709 --> 00:42:14.570
figure things out.

1760
00:42:15.459 --> 00:42:17.840
So now I'm going to move a little bit into the future.

1761
00:42:18.459 --> 00:42:23.330
So where do you see Barrett going in the next 5 to 10 years and beyond?

1762
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:25.250
Um,

1763
00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:27.199
so I guess,

1764
00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:27.860
I mean,

1765
00:42:27.979 --> 00:42:28.060
yeah,

1766
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:29.219
it's so hard to say,

1767
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:30.360
but

1768
00:42:30.879 --> 00:42:31.320
I mean,

1769
00:42:31.399 --> 00:42:36.179
I think I see expanding further uh into our communities

1770
00:42:36.520 --> 00:42:37.139
and

1771
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:37.820
forming,

1772
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:38.149
uh,

1773
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.959
forming more partnerships with whether it be businesses or institutions.

1774
00:42:43.060 --> 00:42:44.860
I think that's been kind of slowly

1775
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:46.120
developing for,

1776
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:47.489
for quite some time.

1777
00:42:47.919 --> 00:42:48.149
Uh,

1778
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:49.110
and like,

1779
00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:50.040
like as I'm,

1780
00:42:50.129 --> 00:42:50.320
you know,

1781
00:42:50.520 --> 00:42:52.500
trying to develop relationships with,

1782
00:42:52.520 --> 00:42:52.939
um,

1783
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.979
Various branches of the Department of Corrections for the Inside Out class,

1784
00:42:58.280 --> 00:42:58.830
uh,

1785
00:42:58.959 --> 00:43:00.320
that like that being one example,

1786
00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:00.959
but I know,

1787
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:01.399
um,

1788
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.399
certainly there's other examples of becoming more embedded,

1789
00:43:04.439 --> 00:43:05.540
embedded in the community,

1790
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:06.469
um,

1791
00:43:06.629 --> 00:43:10.250
just even kind of using some of the venues out here for,

1792
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:11.159
for events,

1793
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:11.959
um,

1794
00:43:12.399 --> 00:43:12.560
you know,

1795
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.050
things,

1796
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:13.979
things like that.

1797
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:14.820
So,

1798
00:43:14.879 --> 00:43:15.500
I guess.

1799
00:43:16.570 --> 00:43:16.729
Yeah,

1800
00:43:16.780 --> 00:43:18.810
it's so that is such a big question,

1801
00:43:18.929 --> 00:43:19.250
but.

1802
00:43:20.270 --> 00:43:20.870
I guess

1803
00:43:21.389 --> 00:43:21.870
I'm gonna,

1804
00:43:22.489 --> 00:43:22.899
and yourself,

1805
00:43:23.070 --> 00:43:25.409
where do you see yourself in 5 to 10 years?

1806
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:27.459
Yeah,

1807
00:43:28.100 --> 00:43:28.429
oh boy,

1808
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:28.830
yeah,

1809
00:43:28.989 --> 00:43:29.810
hopefully.

1810
00:43:31.770 --> 00:43:31.979
Yeah,

1811
00:43:32.100 --> 00:43:32.860
hopefully,

1812
00:43:32.899 --> 00:43:33.409
uh,

1813
00:43:33.419 --> 00:43:33.899
consistent,

1814
00:43:33.979 --> 00:43:35.840
I would say consistently.

1815
00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:37.310
Uh,

1816
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:38.199
teaching,

1817
00:43:38.379 --> 00:43:38.649
uh,

1818
00:43:38.780 --> 00:43:42.300
facilitating an Inside Out class through Barrett's,

1819
00:43:42.429 --> 00:43:42.969
um,

1820
00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:46.879
working more with the Center for the Study of Race and Democracy,

1821
00:43:47.300 --> 00:43:47.600
uh,

1822
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:48.179
and,

1823
00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:49.040
and

1824
00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:52.580
developing more partnerships and relationships with

1825
00:43:52.580 --> 00:43:54.500
the Department of Corrections to maybe

1826
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:55.590
Uh,

1827
00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:56.580
find,

1828
00:43:57.120 --> 00:43:57.479
you know,

1829
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.120
community solutions together and how we can just improve our overall community,

1830
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:02.560
that would be,

1831
00:44:02.600 --> 00:44:02.879
I guess,

1832
00:44:02.969 --> 00:44:03.500
my hope.

1833
00:44:05.120 --> 00:44:06.159
For for the future,

1834
00:44:06.290 --> 00:44:11.840
is there a personal goal you have as related to your teaching for the next semester or

1835
00:44:12.139 --> 00:44:15.600
in relation to how you approach your classes that you'd like to share?

1836
00:44:15.750 --> 00:44:16.719
Um.

1837
00:44:20.070 --> 00:44:20.270
I mean,

1838
00:44:20.350 --> 00:44:23.270
I guess I kind of going back to what my students were saying,

1839
00:44:23.370 --> 00:44:23.790
you know,

1840
00:44:24.310 --> 00:44:26.790
when we were reflecting on class this semester is

1841
00:44:26.790 --> 00:44:29.169
really trying to find the perfect balance of.

1842
00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:31.790
Interjecting enough,

1843
00:44:31.830 --> 00:44:33.590
but not interjecting too much,

1844
00:44:33.709 --> 00:44:35.949
that's that's probably what I think about the most.

1845
00:44:36.919 --> 00:44:37.919
All the time,

1846
00:44:38.399 --> 00:44:38.959
so that's,

1847
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.139
I think that's just always going to be a goal and trying to find that,

1848
00:44:42.479 --> 00:44:42.790
that,

1849
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:43.290
um,

1850
00:44:43.600 --> 00:44:44.840
that perfect balance between,

1851
00:44:44.919 --> 00:44:45.040
yeah,

1852
00:44:45.120 --> 00:44:47.379
letting students develop all their own ideas,

1853
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:47.909
uh,

1854
00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:48.629
but I mean,

1855
00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.459
but there needs to be some guidance there and just knowing exactly when

1856
00:44:52.600 --> 00:44:53.020
to,

1857
00:44:53.030 --> 00:44:54.959
to intervene and when not to.

1858
00:44:56.399 --> 00:44:56.669
Now,

1859
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:01.459
do you have any other comments on Barrett that you'd like to say or anything

1860
00:45:01.919 --> 00:45:03.260
that we haven't covered

1861
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.689
that you think any other projects that you're working on,

1862
00:45:07.080 --> 00:45:07.540
or?

1863
00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:10.510
You have anything as well?

1864
00:45:10.669 --> 00:45:10.949
Yeah,

1865
00:45:11.070 --> 00:45:11.790
I can't,

1866
00:45:11.949 --> 00:45:12.310
uh,

1867
00:45:12.429 --> 00:45:14.810
I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

1868
00:45:15.989 --> 00:45:16.350
I got,

1869
00:45:16.399 --> 00:45:16.629
I mean,

1870
00:45:16.750 --> 00:45:16.909
well,

1871
00:45:17.030 --> 00:45:17.189
I mean,

1872
00:45:17.270 --> 00:45:19.689
maybe I would say like I feel incredibly lucky to work here.

1873
00:45:19.830 --> 00:45:21.250
This is such a like.

1874
00:45:22.489 --> 00:45:23.340
So amazing.

1875
00:45:23.540 --> 00:45:23.550
Like

1876
00:45:24.729 --> 00:45:26.780
my colleagues are amazing,

1877
00:45:27.139 --> 00:45:27.550
uh,

1878
00:45:27.739 --> 00:45:27.939
yeah,

1879
00:45:28.179 --> 00:45:29.659
like everyone who works here is amazing,

1880
00:45:29.780 --> 00:45:31.169
the staff is amazing,

1881
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:31.580
uh,

1882
00:45:31.620 --> 00:45:32.169
downtown,

1883
00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:34.280
we all work together so closely.

1884
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.979
The students are amazing.

1885
00:45:36.060 --> 00:45:36.840
It's just,

1886
00:45:37.219 --> 00:45:37.580
it's a,

1887
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:38.159
I,

1888
00:45:38.260 --> 00:45:40.429
I really lucked out in terms of,

1889
00:45:40.659 --> 00:45:40.780
you know,

1890
00:45:40.889 --> 00:45:41.129
where,

1891
00:45:41.260 --> 00:45:42.000
where I get to work.

1892
00:45:42.100 --> 00:45:44.560
It's a really supportive environment and

1893
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:45.860
just really fun too.

1894
00:45:46.379 --> 00:45:47.439
I do have one question.

1895
00:45:47.510 --> 00:45:47.929
Um,

1896
00:45:48.100 --> 00:45:50.979
do you have any like favorite like funny memories or whatever

1897
00:45:50.979 --> 00:45:53.100
from one of your human event classes from this year?

1898
00:45:53.149 --> 00:45:54.729
I know in my own human event class,

1899
00:45:54.780 --> 00:45:55.139
like

1900
00:45:55.300 --> 00:45:57.840
I still remember some funny discussions about

1901
00:45:58.209 --> 00:46:01.020
realizing that a text was about two lesbian women and none

1902
00:46:01.020 --> 00:46:02.270
of us knew for like a good half an hour.

1903
00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:04.939
So like I was just curious,

1904
00:46:04.979 --> 00:46:07.300
like if you have any funny stories like that

1905
00:46:07.300 --> 00:46:10.919
of like human or like student realizations about anything or

1906
00:46:11.139 --> 00:46:13.439
just something that you liked seeing in a student.

1907
00:46:14.669 --> 00:46:15.370
Oh

1908
00:46:15.580 --> 00:46:16.139
gosh,

1909
00:46:16.469 --> 00:46:16.669
I mean,

1910
00:46:16.750 --> 00:46:17.949
there's so many like little ones,

1911
00:46:18.030 --> 00:46:19.489
but I'm trying to think like.

1912
00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:20.520
Huh,

1913
00:46:21.610 --> 00:46:23.000
let me stand out.

1914
00:46:25.300 --> 00:46:25.770
my gosh,

1915
00:46:25.899 --> 00:46:26.719
nothing's like

1916
00:46:27.060 --> 00:46:27.780
jumping.

1917
00:46:30.350 --> 00:46:30.770
Something

1918
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:35.439
Oh,

1919
00:46:35.540 --> 00:46:35.870
I get,

1920
00:46:35.959 --> 00:46:36.439
well,

1921
00:46:36.919 --> 00:46:37.489
may like

1922
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:39.479
might not be as good as your story,

1923
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:40.139
but,

1924
00:46:40.600 --> 00:46:43.919
but like I think there was one story we read where,

1925
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:44.120
yeah,

1926
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:45.899
the ending is kind of ambiguous,

1927
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:46.429
uh,

1928
00:46:46.520 --> 00:46:48.020
that maybe the

1929
00:46:48.969 --> 00:46:50.030
The two lovers,

1930
00:46:50.189 --> 00:46:50.350
like,

1931
00:46:50.429 --> 00:46:50.669
well,

1932
00:46:50.899 --> 00:46:53.250
one idea is that the two lovers just like went

1933
00:46:53.250 --> 00:46:55.429
off to an island and lived happily ever after,

1934
00:46:55.469 --> 00:46:57.350
and then someone else put forth a theory,

1935
00:46:57.429 --> 00:46:58.449
maybe they're dead,

1936
00:46:59.189 --> 00:46:59.989
or and

1937
00:47:00.469 --> 00:47:01.510
maybe like the,

1938
00:47:01.590 --> 00:47:01.810
the,

1939
00:47:01.830 --> 00:47:03.939
the symbolism is actually not literal,

1940
00:47:03.949 --> 00:47:05.310
and maybe this means they,

1941
00:47:05.350 --> 00:47:06.909
they're like dead and they

1942
00:47:07.469 --> 00:47:08.459
went to the afterlife.

1943
00:47:08.550 --> 00:47:09.610
They didn't go to an island,

1944
00:47:09.709 --> 00:47:10.189
they're,

1945
00:47:10.629 --> 00:47:10.919
they're,

1946
00:47:11.070 --> 00:47:11.469
they're dead.

1947
00:47:11.550 --> 00:47:11.790
Or,

1948
00:47:11.870 --> 00:47:15.189
and then also there was the idea in that same story that maybe since

1949
00:47:15.189 --> 00:47:18.709
the ending is so ambiguous that maybe the whole thing was a dream.

1950
00:47:19.229 --> 00:47:21.030
And the story is virtually real,

1951
00:47:21.110 --> 00:47:21.399
but.

1952
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:25.239
So that those were some like,

1953
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:25.699
oh,

1954
00:47:25.959 --> 00:47:26.229
like,

1955
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:27.219
wow moments for students.

1956
00:47:30.129 --> 00:47:30.399
Well,

1957
00:47:30.479 --> 00:47:33.199
I think that finalizes all of my questions.

1958
00:47:33.399 --> 00:47:33.530
OK,

1959
00:47:33.540 --> 00:47:33.550
great.

1960
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.429
Thank you so much for your participation.

1961
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:37.179
And then

1962
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.320
I also wanted to provide this information to you is that

1963
00:47:40.520 --> 00:47:42.479
if you have any more thoughts to share later on,

1964
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.000
please feel free to reach out over email to any one

1965
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.780
of us or Rachel you've been contacting about the project.

1966
00:47:48.120 --> 00:47:48.489
Um,

1967
00:47:48.600 --> 00:47:49.879
and if you have any other questions,

1968
00:47:49.919 --> 00:47:51.679
you can also contact Vice Dean.

1969
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:52.429
So,

1970
00:47:53.979 --> 00:47:54.000
all right,

1971
00:47:54.020 --> 00:47:54.620
we're finished up.

1972
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.320
Thank you so much for your time and participation.

1973
00:47:56.860 --> 00:47:56.899
Of course,

1974
00:47:57.439 --> 00:47:57.979
of course.

1975
00:48:01.379 --> 00:48:02.129
It was so awesome.