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Wow,

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that was really smart.

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testing,

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testing,

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123,

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do you,

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can you say it?

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Sorry.

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Yeah,

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testing,

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testing,

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123.

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Hello,

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um,

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this is Emily Holdaway and Spencer Hawkhurst,

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um,

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interviewing Tricia Eardley on March 15,

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2019 at

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3:24,

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it is Early,

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Early,

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I'm so sorry,

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uh,

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Early at,

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um,

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3:24 p.m.

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And,

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um,

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Honors Hall 229C.

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This interview is part of the Barrett Oral History Project.

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Our goal is to preserve a record of

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Barrett's history in honor of our 30th anniversary.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with us and share your experiences.

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You're very welcome.

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Yeah,

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um,

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so first question,

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let's start,

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um.

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When did you attend Barrett?

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I was a student from

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the years 2000 to 2004.

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And then I've been an employee of Barrett from 2009 to the present.

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Great,

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um,

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why did you choose ASU and beer?

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So as a student,

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I was,

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I'm from the Midwest originally,

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um,

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from Southern Illinois,

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and I wasn't sure where I wanted to go to school,

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but I knew I wanted to go

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try something different.

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I was looking at big schools.

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I was looking at out of state,

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um,

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ASU was not on my radar,

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and then I,

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um,

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received some recruitment materials.

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I was a National Merit Scholar.

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ASU was recruiting national mayors pretty heavily

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at the time.

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Ted Humphrey was the dean.

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You guys may have heard of him through the Oral History Project,

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I'm guessing.

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So Dean Humphrey actually came to St.

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Louis and took me and my parents out to dinner.

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And talked to us about Barrett and how it was so

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great and we should really consider it and it was this new

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idea,

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you know,

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honors colleges weren't a huge thing quite like they are now,

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um,

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but it was something that was kind of like an up and coming experience.

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I felt really special that the dean of the honors college

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took my family out to dinner,

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um,

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so we decided to check it out.

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So it was about April we flew out and checked out

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Arizona State.

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I'd never been to Arizona before,

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but I just loved it.

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I fell in love with the,

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the mountain.

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Was this your senior year?

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senior year.

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So with National Merit,

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you have to declare your school by May 1st,

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and I hadn't really thought about ASU until April,

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so it was a whirlwind and.

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I decided to come to ASUU and it all worked out.

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What did you major in?

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My major was in fine arts.

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So I was a Bachelor of Fine Arts in painting,

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and I did a business minor.

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How would you describe Barrett's?

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So Barrett,

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when I was a student,

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you know,

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it was a lot smaller.

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It definitely felt like a family.

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I think it still does today,

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but in a different way.

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it still has that kind of that small community aspect to it.

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I felt like we were a pretty tight knit group.

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I went to Barrett with at the time.

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but the thing that I think describes Barrett for

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me is the idea of like going above and beyond

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as a student,

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that's what I wanted to do.

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I wanted to challenge myself.

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I wanted to do more than I had to because I was just driven to excel and

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challenge myself and try things that I hadn't tried before,

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And I feel that way as an employee too,

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and I see that from the other staff that I work with now.

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I really feel like we want to be the best that we can for the students.

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We're always trying to challenge ourselves to be better advisers,

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to learn other advising techniques.

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so

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I think that's something that I can see from a different perspective,

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but has been true from my experience,

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both as a student and now as a staff member.

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were you involved in any organizations during your time at ASU as a student?

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I was.

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I was an honors devil.

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and I found an artifact

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that I thought I could share with you guys.

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Potentially.

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This is a brochure

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back from,

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It has the old logo of.

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It has an old picture of Dean Jacobs on the back.

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here I am as an honors double.

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That is so cool.

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Isn't that cute?

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That's super awesome.

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That's super awesome.

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I was an honors double,

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I like to say I wasn't an ideal honors level

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because we had the opportunity to choose what kind of

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things we wanted to do and I would always choose

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take prospective families out to lunch.

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the free lunch,

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that was very appealing to me,

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I didn't do very many tours.

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I only remember doing a couple tours.

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I would just do the free lunches,

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which was a ton of fun.

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I really enjoyed that.

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I loved meeting with the families,

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I was an out of state student,

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so especially when we had those out of state families

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to tell them about my experience of coming out here.

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That was a lot of fun.

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So I was an honors double.

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I enjoyed that.

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I was part of Camp Sparky.

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I think Camp Sparky still exists.

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it's a group that goes to elementary schools and runs like day camps

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for the students around a theme like to teach them about science or

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whatever your theme is.

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it's definitely still exists.

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and then we did,

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one year we actually had like a summer camp for them for

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So that was fun.

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I did that and then I was part of a group called

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I don't think they exist anymore.

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It's a cool name,

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though.

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we would go to hospitals and do some sort of art with the patients.

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it was either,

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like the fine arts,

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like painting.

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sometimes we would do music.

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And that was miracles Murals.

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Like a mural.

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Huh.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I'm sorry.

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That's what I was like,

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Those are the main things I was involved with.

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As a student.

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That's super cool.

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What was your,

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what was your favorite?

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what was,

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not to say,

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which one do you think you've most like interacted,

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involved with Camp Sparky.

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When I was a student,

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for my scholarship,

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there was a community service requirement.

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So you had to do community service,

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and that's how I originally found Camp Sparky,

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but then I just really liked.

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And you were all part of,

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that club all four years,

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I'm assuming or Camp Sparky,

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I think I did all four years.

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Uh-huh.

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I was an honors double,

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three years.

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two years.

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I didn't do it the whole time.

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I can't remember exactly when I started.

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and Miracles was a brand new club.

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I think I only did that two years.

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That's super awesome.

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we heard that you met your husband,

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um,

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at Barrett.

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it's true.

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Do you want to tell us that story?

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That example.

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So I like to say I'm a Barrett love story.

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So I came

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to Barrett.

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I was out of state.

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I was living in the residence halls.

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We did just call them dorms at the time,

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but,

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um,

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I lived in center complex.

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with center complex.

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Specifically,

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I was best C 3rd floor.

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That was the best floor.

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We were proud of our floor.

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Um,

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so I was living in B.

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Having a great first semester,

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meeting lots of new people,

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and then that second semester of my freshman year,

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I was actually at an off-campus event,

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and this guy came in and

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the way he tells the story is he saw me across the room.

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Your eyes

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And he said to a friend like,

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Who's that?

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And his friend goes,

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That's just Trisha.

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And somehow

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we had never met,

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but he also lived in Bessy,

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but he was on the set.

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I know,

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right?

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So far away.

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So we met and started hanging out and started dating and.

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Stay together we're still together to this day.

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So great.

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And,

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um,

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what did he major in?

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So,

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he was an education major.

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Got you.

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Yes,

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and he actually works at the Mesa School District here in.

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Mhm.

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Awesome.

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Um,

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were there any other significant moments,

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um,

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when during your time at ASU with Steven?

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So another thing that I think was pretty cool,

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um,

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when I did my thesis,

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it was definitely more of a creative project because

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I was a painting major as I mentioned,

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um,

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and I had Dean Peggy Nelson as one of my thesis committee members.

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She was my third committee member.

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So she's a former dean

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that just retired this past year.

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Um,

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so Dean Nelson.

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She's an anthropologist,

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but she's a big supporter of the arts,

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so she was absolutely a really great person to add to my committee.

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I feel like I learned a lot from her,

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but at the time she was starting celebrating honors.

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I don't know if you guys are familiar with celebrating honors.

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That's the thesis symposium that's held at the end of each year.

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Um,

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the way it looks now is we take over the courtyard

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and students have like posters and they present their work.

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Is it still called that,

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or that's what it's called,

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celebrating honors,

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yeah,

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and it's,

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it's in here?

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Yes,

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OK,

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OK.

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I believe I participated in the very first celebrating Honors.

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It was in Old Maine.

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Um,

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Carson Ballroom of Old Maine,

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and because I had a creative project,

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I think I was the only creative project represented,

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and I had literally brought like I hauled over these

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huge canvases and like set them up in the room,

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um,

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and I had to get this cart to do it and like it was a big deal,

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um,

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but it was really cool and I,

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I was the only creative project I believe represented,

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so that was super exciting for me at the time

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and that was your senior year,

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yes,

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that was senior year.

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Um,

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what was your thesis on?

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So I was doing a series of,

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of paintings,

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um,

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and,

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um,

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my work was oil painting and primarily figure based.

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Um,

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I actually think I can remember the title.

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Um,

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it was called.

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People play some things forming first impressions and it was about

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um how

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we form first impressions based on like the things we see around people

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so it had lots of things going on in the backgrounds as well

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um and there were several artists that I studied to help me with my technique for this

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um so that was kind of some of the research that went into the project on the back end,

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um.

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Several different arts that were influencing me as well

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as in the techniques that I was using when

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when doing the works,

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um,

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so it was a series of paintings.

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I had space in,

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uh,

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a gallery on campus so that I did have like a show for the work as well.

419
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You made your own show,

420
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yeah.

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It was really exciting.

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It was really exciting.

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Yeah,

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thank you.

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Wow,

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good

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for you.

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Do you still have your artwork?

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I have a lot of it.

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I don't have

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all of it though.

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Unfortunately,

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most of it is stacked in my garage

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with like a sheet

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laid on top of it.

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They were big paintings like

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5 ft tall,

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3 ft wide.

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Yeah,

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they were big canvases.

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So you said that like

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the idea behind your honors thesis was

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to like,

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it was about first impressions.

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So do you think it was more towards like fine

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arts or do you think it was more towards like

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social interactions?

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Like what do you think?

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That's,

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oh,

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I like that question.

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It definitely was more fine arts focused,

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but I wanted to bring a little bit of the social interaction into it and I think that

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that was what I was trying to do with this idea.

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Yeah.

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Um,

457
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yeah,

458
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so it,

459
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it had a little bit of that

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aspect,

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but the main focus

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of what I did in the the research that I wrote about was on the fine arts side of it.

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Um.

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And then,

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um,

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expanding on the thesis,

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was this like an honors thesis or was this a thesis?

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Because I know that there's a difference.

469
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Oh,

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this was the honors thesis.

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So this was my Barrett thesis.

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OK.

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OK.

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Yeah,

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yeah,

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yeah.

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And I know that,

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you know,

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one of the biggest things about

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The honors thesis is it really doesn't have to focus towards your actual major,

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um,

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so

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what do you think that like,

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do you think that that's expanded,

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do you think that's grown,

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and do you think your experience

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in general has like.

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Taught you to encourage other students to like,

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you know,

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expand on their thesis outside of their major.

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Yeah,

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uh,

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that's,

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that's an interesting question.

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So

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I don't know if,

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if there was a rule when I was a student that

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you had to do your thesis in your major or not,

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but everyone I knew did their thesis in their major.

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So I'm not sure if that was a rule or not.

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And part of why I think I don't know the answer to that

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is because when I was a student,

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honors advising wasn't a thing.

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Really?

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So,

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when I,

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I think they,

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they hired a couple of honors advisors when I was a junior or a senior,

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and it was like optional if you wanted to go and you could,

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you weren't required.

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Um,

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Then a few years after that,

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I believe around 2005,

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they made honors advising

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a requirement

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where everyone then had to go in and meet regularly

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with their advisor and learn about those rules like,

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hey,

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you could do a thesis outside your major.

520
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Maybe there was a rule and just none of us knew it at the time when I was a student,

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um,

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so I think honors advising has helped

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make,

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um.

525
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Students aware of the options they have with the thesis,

526
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um,

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and definitely I think my personal experience is helpful when I'm working

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with students that have an interest maybe outside of their major,

529
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a more creative idea

530
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because I feel like I understand

531
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what that looks like.

532
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It's very different than a traditional thesis.

533
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So

534
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I really love working with students that have kind of that other idea and

535
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talking to them about what that could look like or what you could do,

536
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um,

537
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so I think that my experience was useful in that sense.

538
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Awesome,

539
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that's cool.

540
00:13:41.549 --> 00:13:41.750
Yeah,

541
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so you graduated with a degree of fine arts,

542
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and now you work at Barrett Advisor.

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I advisor.

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So,

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like,

546
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um,

547
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can you tell us a little bit of like that process or like that transition?

548
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Yeah,

549
00:13:54.979 --> 00:14:00.799
so I got my bachelor's in Fine Arts and I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my life.

550
00:14:01.090 --> 00:14:01.409
Um,

551
00:14:01.419 --> 00:14:04.599
I'd heard about a master's program actually in painting

552
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that I,

553
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I put in an application to.

554
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I wasn't sure that that's what I wanted to do,

555
00:14:09.890 --> 00:14:11.039
but then sometimes life

556
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sends you other things.

557
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So,

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um,

559
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my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer around that time.

560
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And so I decided it was important for me to move closer to home,

561
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um,

562
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to kind of be with her and be able to see her more as she was,

563
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you know,

564
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going through treatments and recovering.

565
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So,

566
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uh,

567
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the program that I applied for was back in Illinois.

568
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That's where I'm from.

569
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Um,

570
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and I got admitted to that program with a full fellowship,

571
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so it was like

572
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paid for.

573
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So I,

574
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I decided,

575
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well,

576
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OK,

577
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then I'm going

578
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because it's easy,

579
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right?

580
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That's paid for.

581
00:14:42.979 --> 00:14:44.200
I'll be closer to my mother,

582
00:14:44.780 --> 00:14:45.500
so that's what I did.

583
00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:48.900
So I went and I did a master's program in painting and just side note,

584
00:14:48.979 --> 00:14:49.539
you're not worried.

585
00:14:49.619 --> 00:14:50.619
My mom is fine.

586
00:14:51.219 --> 00:14:52.479
She came out a champ,

587
00:14:53.020 --> 00:14:54.289
doing well to this day.

588
00:14:54.500 --> 00:14:55.340
So happy to hear.

589
00:14:55.619 --> 00:14:57.650
So I'm at this program back in Illinois.

590
00:14:57.690 --> 00:15:00.059
I'm doing my master's in painting and I'm enjoying.

591
00:15:00.625 --> 00:15:06.405
But what I found I really enjoyed even more was I was teaching a class on

592
00:15:06.825 --> 00:15:08.724
fine arts for non-majors,

593
00:15:08.775 --> 00:15:12.484
and I was supervising some other graduate students for a program

594
00:15:13.025 --> 00:15:15.655
and I just realized I really liked working with the students.

595
00:15:16.025 --> 00:15:18.825
I really had a lot of fun working with the students in the class I

596
00:15:18.825 --> 00:15:20.405
was teaching and working with the other

597
00:15:20.405 --> 00:15:23.625
graduate students and interacting with the staff.

598
00:15:23.984 --> 00:15:27.625
I really liked that and all of a sudden I had the light bulb moment of.

599
00:15:28.359 --> 00:15:29.429
This could be my career path.

600
00:15:29.479 --> 00:15:31.020
I could work at a university.

601
00:15:31.640 --> 00:15:31.960
Um,

602
00:15:32.119 --> 00:15:33.840
so when I finished the master's program,

603
00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:34.400
that's what I did.

604
00:15:34.479 --> 00:15:38.780
I looked for jobs at universities and um that's how I ended up back at ASU.

605
00:15:39.150 --> 00:15:39.590
Um,

606
00:15:39.599 --> 00:15:41.719
I actually started ASU in admissions and then

607
00:15:41.719 --> 00:15:44.700
transferred or transitioned into advising from there.

608
00:15:45.979 --> 00:15:45.989
Um

609
00:15:48.150 --> 00:15:49.090
So,

610
00:15:49.109 --> 00:15:49.469
um,

611
00:15:49.530 --> 00:15:51.419
now working and advising for Barrett,

612
00:15:51.429 --> 00:15:51.859
um,

613
00:15:52.030 --> 00:15:53.010
how do you think,

614
00:15:53.109 --> 00:15:54.000
um,

615
00:15:54.510 --> 00:15:54.890
like

616
00:15:55.190 --> 00:15:57.950
Barrett effectively helps students navigate college

617
00:15:57.950 --> 00:15:59.489
and prepare for their future?

618
00:16:00.380 --> 00:16:01.030
Yes,

619
00:16:01.419 --> 00:16:01.659
these are,

620
00:16:01.780 --> 00:16:03.650
I wrote some notes for some of these questions because I,

621
00:16:03.700 --> 00:16:06.419
I didn't want to forget the things I wanted to say.

622
00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:13.450
So

623
00:16:15.700 --> 00:16:16.119
I'm sorry,

624
00:16:16.219 --> 00:16:17.440
which question did you ask?

625
00:16:17.780 --> 00:16:17.890
Sorry,

626
00:16:17.940 --> 00:16:18.460
I'm um,

627
00:16:18.619 --> 00:16:19.809
the networking advising,

628
00:16:19.900 --> 00:16:20.090
um,

629
00:16:20.179 --> 00:16:20.840
how do you think,

630
00:16:20.940 --> 00:16:21.140
um,

631
00:16:21.299 --> 00:16:23.450
Barrett helps students navigate college and 3rd grade?

632
00:16:24.969 --> 00:16:26.159
One thing that I think.

633
00:16:27.169 --> 00:16:32.159
That Barrett does that I don't know that students always even know is happening is,

634
00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:32.960
um.

635
00:16:34.299 --> 00:16:36.710
We help remove barriers,

636
00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:37.799
I think sometimes.

637
00:16:39.229 --> 00:16:39.239
Yeah,

638
00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:40.130
I notice.

639
00:16:40.710 --> 00:16:41.190
Thanks,

640
00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:41.330
Spencer.

641
00:16:41.469 --> 00:16:41.619
Yeah,

642
00:16:41.750 --> 00:16:41.780
no,

643
00:16:41.830 --> 00:16:42.950
I noticed that for sure.

644
00:16:43.070 --> 00:16:43.150
You know,

645
00:16:43.229 --> 00:16:45.010
I was just talking about this with someone the other day.

646
00:16:45.270 --> 00:16:45.729
I think,

647
00:16:47.309 --> 00:16:48.309
We are a safe,

648
00:16:48.510 --> 00:16:48.630
we,

649
00:16:48.710 --> 00:16:50.270
we try to provide an opportunity,

650
00:16:50.349 --> 00:16:53.419
a little safe space here for students to explore,

651
00:16:53.739 --> 00:16:56.099
and we want to operate from a place of,

652
00:16:56.179 --> 00:16:56.380
yes,

653
00:16:56.429 --> 00:16:57.630
you can do that.

654
00:16:57.950 --> 00:16:58.789
So there,

655
00:16:59.109 --> 00:16:59.710
for example,

656
00:16:59.830 --> 00:16:59.989
you know,

657
00:17:00.109 --> 00:17:00.349
some,

658
00:17:00.590 --> 00:17:01.609
some students,

659
00:17:02.070 --> 00:17:03.789
maybe they want to major in engineering,

660
00:17:03.940 --> 00:17:04.380
but they,

661
00:17:04.510 --> 00:17:06.910
they always like taking history classes and they're like,

662
00:17:06.949 --> 00:17:08.209
I was told I can't do both.

663
00:17:08.650 --> 00:17:09.368
And I'm here to say,

664
00:17:09.449 --> 00:17:09.530
well,

665
00:17:09.608 --> 00:17:09.848
why,

666
00:17:10.010 --> 00:17:10.709
why not?

667
00:17:11.130 --> 00:17:12.329
Why can't we try both?

668
00:17:12.410 --> 00:17:13.800
Why can't we do a history class?

669
00:17:14.489 --> 00:17:17.489
Maybe you end up doing a thesis outside of your major in that area.

670
00:17:18.410 --> 00:17:22.670
So I think that we offer a space where students hopefully can

671
00:17:22.969 --> 00:17:24.790
imagine almost anything is possible.

672
00:17:25.469 --> 00:17:25.680
Um,

673
00:17:25.709 --> 00:17:27.000
and help them then figure out,

674
00:17:27.189 --> 00:17:27.390
OK,

675
00:17:27.500 --> 00:17:29.650
well how can we actually then make that happen

676
00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:31.689
and maybe what are

677
00:17:31.869 --> 00:17:36.209
the resources that we can connect you with or even just helping sometimes,

678
00:17:36.430 --> 00:17:36.939
um,

679
00:17:36.949 --> 00:17:37.729
brainstorm

680
00:17:38.030 --> 00:17:40.589
what are the questions you should be asking or what are the words

681
00:17:40.589 --> 00:17:44.150
you need to know so that you can navigate the system more effectively.

682
00:17:45.449 --> 00:17:45.880
So,

683
00:17:45.890 --> 00:17:47.089
I do think that we,

684
00:17:47.239 --> 00:17:49.550
we try to remove barriers for folks.

685
00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:49.689
Oh,

686
00:17:49.760 --> 00:17:50.030
yeah.

687
00:17:50.729 --> 00:17:51.359
Um,

688
00:17:51.589 --> 00:17:52.689
I also think

689
00:17:52.910 --> 00:17:55.689
the thesis or creative project is a huge gift.

690
00:17:56.069 --> 00:17:57.369
I know it's going to be a lot of work.

691
00:17:57.430 --> 00:17:59.150
I don't know if either of you started.

692
00:17:59.229 --> 00:17:59.719
Uh,

693
00:17:59.910 --> 00:18:02.390
I'm actually meeting with my FHA next week.

694
00:18:02.430 --> 00:18:02.989
OK.

695
00:18:03.109 --> 00:18:03.400
So,

696
00:18:03.709 --> 00:18:05.890
starting I know it can seem very scary.

697
00:18:07.030 --> 00:18:08.619
But it is a huge gift.

698
00:18:08.739 --> 00:18:11.560
It is a big deal to do a thesis or a creative project,

699
00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:13.479
and it's not something that's required.

700
00:18:13.520 --> 00:18:15.739
This is something you are choosing to do,

701
00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:16.660
yes,

702
00:18:16.959 --> 00:18:19.680
and it is going to make a huge difference in your future,

703
00:18:19.760 --> 00:18:20.979
even if you do a thesis that's.

704
00:18:21.589 --> 00:18:23.630
unrelated to what you want to do in the future.

705
00:18:23.780 --> 00:18:25.709
Like I did a painting thesis.

706
00:18:26.140 --> 00:18:30.239
You will learn so much through that process about project management,

707
00:18:30.619 --> 00:18:33.439
about working with people with disparate points of view,

708
00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:36.599
and being the one who's ultimately in charge of this project.

709
00:18:37.140 --> 00:18:37.449
Um,

710
00:18:37.579 --> 00:18:38.719
it is going to help you.

711
00:18:39.310 --> 00:18:42.069
Guarantee it whether you go to grad school or whether you go to employment,

712
00:18:42.150 --> 00:18:43.530
whether you're interviewing for

713
00:18:43.750 --> 00:18:46.359
an internship or a medical school or whatever,

714
00:18:46.589 --> 00:18:49.589
you are going to gain a lot of skills from doing this thesis,

715
00:18:49.739 --> 00:18:53.130
and it's such a huge gift and I think in advising we do a pretty good job of helping

716
00:18:53.550 --> 00:18:54.030
prepare you,

717
00:18:54.189 --> 00:18:56.359
but there's some things that you're just gonna have to experience on your own.

718
00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:58.479
Definitely.

719
00:18:59.359 --> 00:18:59.989
Um,

720
00:19:00.410 --> 00:19:01.969
what's your favorite part of your job?

721
00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:02.939
Well,

722
00:19:02.979 --> 00:19:05.449
my favorite part of my job is working with students.

723
00:19:05.739 --> 00:19:06.479
Number one,

724
00:19:07.780 --> 00:19:08.640
but specifically,

725
00:19:08.900 --> 00:19:12.020
I do really like helping students with the thesis.

726
00:19:12.140 --> 00:19:12.339
Oh yeah.

727
00:19:13.010 --> 00:19:14.380
I can see your eyes just light up.

728
00:19:14.660 --> 00:19:14.989
Yeah,

729
00:19:15.109 --> 00:19:17.290
it's so fun to hear

730
00:19:17.469 --> 00:19:19.339
all these different ideas that students have.

731
00:19:19.430 --> 00:19:20.510
That's the best part.

732
00:19:20.699 --> 00:19:21.150
Students,

733
00:19:21.349 --> 00:19:21.910
you guys

734
00:19:22.069 --> 00:19:23.270
are in every single major,

735
00:19:23.390 --> 00:19:26.750
so I get to meet students with all sorts of cool interests,

736
00:19:26.869 --> 00:19:28.530
things I've never thought of before,

737
00:19:28.709 --> 00:19:31.270
and they get excited to tell me about what they might want to do for their

738
00:19:31.270 --> 00:19:33.979
thesis or interesting classes that they've done or

739
00:19:33.979 --> 00:19:35.969
a cool honors contract that they've worked on.

740
00:19:36.530 --> 00:19:37.250
That I love that.

741
00:19:37.329 --> 00:19:39.319
I love hearing what students are interested in.

742
00:19:39.479 --> 00:19:42.079
That is just so fun for me and then helping them figure out,

743
00:19:42.260 --> 00:19:42.369
well,

744
00:19:42.449 --> 00:19:44.550
how could we develop this maybe into your thesis.

745
00:19:45.949 --> 00:19:46.349
Um,

746
00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.300
what do you think has been like the most unique

747
00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:50.400
thesis

748
00:19:50.839 --> 00:19:51.479
or.

749
00:19:52.459 --> 00:19:53.250
Multiple ones,

750
00:19:53.260 --> 00:19:53.540
you,

751
00:19:53.689 --> 00:19:54.699
I know it's hard to pick one,

752
00:19:54.819 --> 00:19:58.219
but like what do you think is the most let me think of a memorable ones.

753
00:20:01.209 --> 00:20:01.760
So,

754
00:20:01.849 --> 00:20:02.729
um,

755
00:20:05.239 --> 00:20:06.089
Most unique.

756
00:20:06.550 --> 00:20:06.790
Well,

757
00:20:06.910 --> 00:20:07.069
you know,

758
00:20:07.229 --> 00:20:08.229
this was a pretty cool one.

759
00:20:08.310 --> 00:20:09.290
This one I think is a.

760
00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:11.459
A few years old,

761
00:20:11.479 --> 00:20:12.839
I thought this one was super cool.

762
00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:14.630
This student was,

763
00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:15.349
um,

764
00:20:15.390 --> 00:20:17.020
an anthropology major

765
00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:19.199
and she was studying bone samples.

766
00:20:20.709 --> 00:20:24.030
So like she literally would have a microscope with a little slide,

767
00:20:24.050 --> 00:20:26.380
and she'd be looking at the little fragments of the bones.

768
00:20:26.560 --> 00:20:28.979
That's what she was doing for hours and hours and hours on end.

769
00:20:29.390 --> 00:20:29.739
I'll be honest,

770
00:20:29.790 --> 00:20:30.869
I don't remember why she was looking.

771
00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.500
But she was looking at the bone samples for some sort of anthropology reason.

772
00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:37.939
And she was writing a very

773
00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.530
scholarly academic paper based on what she's learned about these bone samples.

774
00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:44.420
But as she's doing this,

775
00:20:44.800 --> 00:20:45.920
and looking at these samples,

776
00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:46.400
she's like,

777
00:20:46.560 --> 00:20:47.939
they're really cool.

778
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.199
I feel like they're just really visually interesting to look at.

779
00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:54.060
So she ended up having,

780
00:20:54.560 --> 00:20:56.339
as a side project,

781
00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:58.459
a series of um

782
00:20:59.040 --> 00:21:00.349
of art pieces.

783
00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:01.500
So she took

784
00:21:02.030 --> 00:21:05.069
Like scans of the bone samples and blew them up

785
00:21:05.069 --> 00:21:08.510
and then manipulated them and turned them into art pieces.

786
00:21:08.869 --> 00:21:09.650
That is so cool.

787
00:21:09.949 --> 00:21:10.780
Isn't that cool?

788
00:21:10.910 --> 00:21:11.150
Yeah,

789
00:21:11.260 --> 00:21:12.910
and that was just for fun.

790
00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:15.790
So her thesis was kind of this dual thesis,

791
00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:17.329
this academic paper,

792
00:21:17.750 --> 00:21:20.869
but also these really cool visually stunning

793
00:21:20.869 --> 00:21:22.869
art pieces that were created from that.

794
00:21:23.310 --> 00:21:25.189
That one stands out to me as a really cool one.

795
00:21:27.479 --> 00:21:28.140
Um,

796
00:21:28.500 --> 00:21:28.699
yeah,

797
00:21:28.859 --> 00:21:30.709
so kind of moving into the

798
00:21:30.939 --> 00:21:32.449
future of Barrett,

799
00:21:32.459 --> 00:21:32.939
um,

800
00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:34.000
Uh,

801
00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:36.739
where do you see Barrett in 5 years,

802
00:21:36.760 --> 00:21:37.150
um,

803
00:21:37.349 --> 00:21:38.229
1020,

804
00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:38.949
30,

805
00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:40.339
however far you want to go?

806
00:21:41.040 --> 00:21:41.400
Yeah,

807
00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:42.670
these are tough questions,

808
00:21:42.760 --> 00:21:43.000
I think.

809
00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:44.520
They're interesting questions.

810
00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:46.170
Um,

811
00:21:47.349 --> 00:21:47.430
Well,

812
00:21:47.510 --> 00:21:50.010
I'm very committed to Barrett personally,

813
00:21:50.109 --> 00:21:50.670
um.

814
00:21:51.540 --> 00:21:52.300
As you may guess,

815
00:21:52.380 --> 00:21:52.540
right,

816
00:21:52.660 --> 00:21:53.640
I have a long history,

817
00:21:54.699 --> 00:21:55.119
so.

818
00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:56.729
Um,

819
00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:57.939
right now,

820
00:21:58.160 --> 00:21:59.439
I am actually

821
00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:00.959
working on a doctorate,

822
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.979
so I'm in a doctoral program in educational leadership,

823
00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:07.109
and through this program,

824
00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:08.859
I'm doing a study.

825
00:22:09.630 --> 00:22:09.880
Um,

826
00:22:09.959 --> 00:22:11.300
in my workplace

827
00:22:11.719 --> 00:22:14.900
about how to help students who are beginning the honors thesis,

828
00:22:15.719 --> 00:22:16.670
there's another theme there,

829
00:22:16.719 --> 00:22:17.640
a little tie there,

830
00:22:17.800 --> 00:22:18.199
right?

831
00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:18.939
So,

832
00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:19.699
um,

833
00:22:20.239 --> 00:22:20.959
I would like,

834
00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:22.920
so I'm very committed to this whole like

835
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.579
experience and helping students through the honors thesis,

836
00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:26.939
and I would like to,

837
00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.219
to see us develop this a little bit further

838
00:22:30.469 --> 00:22:30.920
of,

839
00:22:31.270 --> 00:22:34.880
of developing some more structured pathways for students.

840
00:22:35.349 --> 00:22:37.060
When they're starting their thesis project,

841
00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:38.439
some students don't need that.

842
00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:40.430
Some students have lots of ideas.

843
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.430
They build really wonderful connections to professors,

844
00:22:43.439 --> 00:22:46.959
and it's really easy for them just to to start a thesis project.

845
00:22:47.199 --> 00:22:49.189
But other students need a little bit more help,

846
00:22:49.239 --> 00:22:49.560
I think,

847
00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:51.020
in those early stages,

848
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:51.630
um,

849
00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:52.280
and

850
00:22:52.560 --> 00:22:53.199
other students.

851
00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:54.349
I would like,

852
00:22:54.439 --> 00:22:54.750
I think,

853
00:22:54.760 --> 00:22:56.140
even more structured

854
00:22:56.560 --> 00:22:57.410
projects that are,

855
00:22:57.520 --> 00:22:58.180
are maybe

856
00:22:58.520 --> 00:23:01.439
ongoing freestanding projects that they can get plugged into.

857
00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:05.050
So I would like to see us maybe develop out some,

858
00:23:05.280 --> 00:23:08.339
some things like that a little bit more robustly over the next

859
00:23:08.800 --> 00:23:10.469
maybe 5 to 10 years for that,

860
00:23:10.479 --> 00:23:11.319
for that idea.

861
00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:12.349
Um,

862
00:23:12.469 --> 00:23:13.380
so going off that,

863
00:23:13.619 --> 00:23:13.750
you know,

864
00:23:13.790 --> 00:23:16.189
you talked about this challenge of starting a thesis,

865
00:23:16.270 --> 00:23:16.459
um,

866
00:23:16.510 --> 00:23:18.380
and this challenge of interacting with professors.

867
00:23:18.469 --> 00:23:18.770
So

868
00:23:19.069 --> 00:23:20.150
when you start a thesis,

869
00:23:20.270 --> 00:23:23.349
what do you think is like the most challenging part for a student?

870
00:23:23.430 --> 00:23:23.689
Like

871
00:23:23.910 --> 00:23:24.430
student comes in,

872
00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:24.949
they're like,

873
00:23:25.109 --> 00:23:26.670
I'm really struggling with blank.

874
00:23:26.750 --> 00:23:27.989
What do you most often see?

875
00:23:28.699 --> 00:23:29.430
Um,

876
00:23:29.650 --> 00:23:31.459
I would say the most often thing is

877
00:23:31.729 --> 00:23:33.849
students who haven't built connections to professors yet.

878
00:23:34.449 --> 00:23:37.670
That means they're probably gonna go talk to a professor they've never met before,

879
00:23:37.719 --> 00:23:38.410
and that's scary.

880
00:23:38.650 --> 00:23:39.530
That is very scary.

881
00:23:40.109 --> 00:23:40.119
I,

882
00:23:40.170 --> 00:23:40.359
I mean,

883
00:23:40.449 --> 00:23:40.599
I,

884
00:23:40.810 --> 00:23:40.959
yeah,

885
00:23:41.290 --> 00:23:42.660
so we have the honors contract.

886
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:43.390
I feel that,

887
00:23:44.209 --> 00:23:44.650
yeah.

888
00:23:44.969 --> 00:23:46.449
So I'd say that that is the,

889
00:23:46.569 --> 00:23:47.280
the biggest struggle,

890
00:23:47.329 --> 00:23:47.670
and

891
00:23:48.290 --> 00:23:50.250
some of it is just telling students like.

892
00:23:50.699 --> 00:23:54.219
It's totally OK to approach a professor you've never had before.

893
00:23:54.339 --> 00:23:55.349
That's normal,

894
00:23:55.729 --> 00:23:56.199
and

895
00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:59.300
that's part of their job is to meet with you and talk with you,

896
00:23:59.540 --> 00:23:59.890
um,

897
00:24:00.099 --> 00:24:00.640
but still,

898
00:24:00.939 --> 00:24:03.369
even just getting over that mental block for some students,

899
00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:04.119
that's hard,

900
00:24:04.939 --> 00:24:05.439
um,

901
00:24:05.540 --> 00:24:05.619
but.

902
00:24:05.765 --> 00:24:07.425
Then you know helping students

903
00:24:07.525 --> 00:24:09.385
if they haven't built those connections,

904
00:24:10.155 --> 00:24:10.165
um,

905
00:24:10.244 --> 00:24:11.344
sometimes they have actually.

906
00:24:11.925 --> 00:24:12.425
Sometimes,

907
00:24:12.564 --> 00:24:12.744
you know,

908
00:24:12.844 --> 00:24:13.844
when you start asking them,

909
00:24:13.925 --> 00:24:14.074
well,

910
00:24:14.165 --> 00:24:16.145
tell me about your classes and

911
00:24:16.364 --> 00:24:19.724
what have been your favorites and what projects did you do for those classes,

912
00:24:19.805 --> 00:24:20.665
then they'll start.

913
00:24:21.520 --> 00:24:22.770
Opening up and you'll realize,

914
00:24:23.989 --> 00:24:24.689
Wait a minute.

915
00:24:25.020 --> 00:24:26.229
You're telling me a lot about this class.

916
00:24:26.310 --> 00:24:27.290
You got an A.

917
00:24:27.910 --> 00:24:29.380
I bet you have a connection to that professor,

918
00:24:29.390 --> 00:24:31.329
whether you realize you really do or not,

919
00:24:31.430 --> 00:24:32.170
right?

920
00:24:32.589 --> 00:24:33.030
Oh yeah.

921
00:24:33.349 --> 00:24:36.449
So I think that's the biggest challenge for a lot of students.

922
00:24:36.609 --> 00:24:36.670
Exactly.

923
00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:43.099
Um,

924
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.239
I think you kind of already touched base on this,

925
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:46.660
but,

926
00:24:46.670 --> 00:24:46.949
um,

927
00:24:46.959 --> 00:24:47.510
just in case,

928
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:48.030
um,

929
00:24:48.280 --> 00:24:50.540
how would you like to see Barrett evolve?

930
00:24:52.589 --> 00:24:53.040
Yes,

931
00:24:53.239 --> 00:24:53.880
so.

932
00:24:54.859 --> 00:24:56.079
I would say

933
00:24:58.469 --> 00:24:58.750
I,

934
00:24:58.910 --> 00:25:01.449
I actually have seen Barrett evolve.

935
00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:01.949
Well,

936
00:25:01.989 --> 00:25:05.189
I've seen Barrett grow a lot over the time from when

937
00:25:05.189 --> 00:25:07.709
I was a student to when I'm here and evolve.

938
00:25:07.790 --> 00:25:11.810
Like it's much more fully formed experience than it was when I was a student.

939
00:25:13.199 --> 00:25:13.650
But

940
00:25:13.849 --> 00:25:14.810
what I would like to see,

941
00:25:14.930 --> 00:25:16.199
I would like to to

942
00:25:16.489 --> 00:25:17.439
see us keep evolving.

943
00:25:17.489 --> 00:25:18.709
I think we have to

944
00:25:18.930 --> 00:25:20.180
so that we can be,

945
00:25:20.410 --> 00:25:20.880
um,

946
00:25:20.890 --> 00:25:22.329
competitive and

947
00:25:22.930 --> 00:25:24.989
continue to be that gold standard,

948
00:25:25.579 --> 00:25:26.239
right?

949
00:25:26.609 --> 00:25:29.010
But what I would like to see is as we evolve we keep

950
00:25:29.010 --> 00:25:32.670
kind of that the same kind of core values feeling going on.

951
00:25:33.010 --> 00:25:33.530
Um,

952
00:25:33.689 --> 00:25:35.410
I think I mentioned at the beginning that.

953
00:25:35.739 --> 00:25:37.900
It felt like a real small family.

954
00:25:37.939 --> 00:25:38.260
Like you,

955
00:25:38.380 --> 00:25:40.489
you knew most of the people in Barrett,

956
00:25:40.739 --> 00:25:42.900
and it's impossible for you to know everyone now,

957
00:25:42.979 --> 00:25:45.339
but I still think it feels like that for a lot of folks.

958
00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:46.339
I hope it feels that way to you.

959
00:25:46.420 --> 00:25:47.890
Like it does kind of feel more like,

960
00:25:48.219 --> 00:25:48.339
hey,

961
00:25:48.390 --> 00:25:48.939
this is a family.

962
00:25:48.979 --> 00:25:50.300
I've got people that care about me.

963
00:25:50.489 --> 00:25:51.619
I think those things are true.

964
00:25:52.410 --> 00:25:55.989
I just hope that we can continue to keep those types of core values throughout,

965
00:25:56.209 --> 00:25:57.030
no matter what,

966
00:25:58.089 --> 00:25:59.630
no matter where Barrett goes in the future.

967
00:25:59.770 --> 00:25:59.959
Yeah.

968
00:26:00.689 --> 00:26:02.449
So you're talking like expansion of.

969
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:04.160
Expanding it more.

970
00:26:04.229 --> 00:26:04.300
Yeah,

971
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:04.510
I mean,

972
00:26:04.579 --> 00:26:06.619
I don't think at this point in time,

973
00:26:07.020 --> 00:26:08.079
knock on wood,

974
00:26:08.219 --> 00:26:08.900
um,

975
00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:10.099
I don't think we're,

976
00:26:10.260 --> 00:26:12.050
we're planning to expand right now.

977
00:26:12.239 --> 00:26:13.400
I think that's probably a good thing.

978
00:26:13.459 --> 00:26:15.410
I think we're probably in a good critical mass for now.

979
00:26:15.459 --> 00:26:15.969
We need to,

980
00:26:15.979 --> 00:26:16.400
like

981
00:26:16.619 --> 00:26:16.859
I know.

982
00:26:17.020 --> 00:26:17.810
Keep at this,

983
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.410
this,

984
00:26:18.579 --> 00:26:21.520
this size and develop things out from here.

985
00:26:21.619 --> 00:26:21.859
Yeah.

986
00:26:22.699 --> 00:26:22.900
You know,

987
00:26:23.020 --> 00:26:26.319
one thing that I don't know what the future would hold for this,

988
00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:27.920
but thinking future,

989
00:26:27.930 --> 00:26:27.959
future,

990
00:26:27.979 --> 00:26:28.670
um,

991
00:26:29.020 --> 00:26:29.300
I mean,

992
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:32.400
even now we're seeing more and more classes are going online.

993
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:34.400
And

994
00:26:35.060 --> 00:26:36.890
I think that is a.

995
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:41.020
A frontier that we haven't really crossed yet with honors.

996
00:26:41.140 --> 00:26:43.890
What does online education look like in honors,

997
00:26:43.900 --> 00:26:46.199
and I don't think personally

998
00:26:46.699 --> 00:26:49.099
that universities have figured out what online education,

999
00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:50.770
really good online education,

1000
00:26:50.780 --> 00:26:52.630
consistently looks like.

1001
00:26:53.420 --> 00:26:55.099
My my experience from hearing from students

1002
00:26:55.099 --> 00:26:57.640
is sometimes their online classes are great

1003
00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:01.339
and they get a lot and they think they're amazing and sometimes they're not.

1004
00:27:01.670 --> 00:27:04.010
I think it really depends on the level of commitment

1005
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:06.829
of the student sometimes because I think that a lot

1006
00:27:06.829 --> 00:27:08.469
of time because all the accountability is on you.

1007
00:27:09.260 --> 00:27:11.699
I think it also is how the how the class is set up,

1008
00:27:11.770 --> 00:27:14.410
the level of commitment of the professor to keep it engaging.

1009
00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:14.859
It's not,

1010
00:27:14.939 --> 00:27:16.660
I don't think it's consistent at ASU yet,

1011
00:27:16.699 --> 00:27:17.060
and I,

1012
00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:18.400
I think though as

1013
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:21.170
ASU continues to expand those offerings,

1014
00:27:21.459 --> 00:27:23.719
honors may have to take a look at how that,

1015
00:27:23.939 --> 00:27:26.040
how we may fit into that puzzle.

1016
00:27:26.739 --> 00:27:27.060
Um,

1017
00:27:27.109 --> 00:27:28.369
a lot of the,

1018
00:27:28.630 --> 00:27:28.869
uh,

1019
00:27:28.989 --> 00:27:31.829
because I know a lot of the honors like section classes and

1020
00:27:32.030 --> 00:27:34.510
obviously the human event are very heavily discussion based.

1021
00:27:34.589 --> 00:27:35.250
Do you think

1022
00:27:35.430 --> 00:27:35.869
that

1023
00:27:36.390 --> 00:27:36.410
AS

1024
00:27:36.790 --> 00:27:41.130
that Barrett could keep that online could have that online presence

1025
00:27:41.510 --> 00:27:44.030
while still keeping that very core like

1026
00:27:44.410 --> 00:27:45.689
discussion-based class?

1027
00:27:46.030 --> 00:27:48.040
I think that's a very good question,

1028
00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:48.869
um.

1029
00:27:49.520 --> 00:27:52.280
I'm just gonna speak from my own personal experience as I mentioned,

1030
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:53.099
I'm

1031
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.000
doing a doctoral program.

1032
00:27:55.239 --> 00:27:58.160
I've had a number of in-person classes and online classes for this program.

1033
00:27:58.199 --> 00:27:59.459
It's been kind of hybrid,

1034
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:04.390
and in my online classes there have been things like discussion boards and whatnot,

1035
00:28:04.430 --> 00:28:04.839
and they don't,

1036
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:06.280
I don't think they've been that robust.

1037
00:28:06.819 --> 00:28:09.060
I don't know what your experience has been like in online classes.

1038
00:28:09.300 --> 00:28:10.469
I don't think we've figured this out yet.

1039
00:28:10.959 --> 00:28:10.969
No,

1040
00:28:11.060 --> 00:28:12.410
I'm not just saying Barrett or ASU.

1041
00:28:12.479 --> 00:28:13.780
I'm just saying in general,

1042
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:14.560
as,

1043
00:28:16.099 --> 00:28:17.930
as humanity hasn't figured this out yet,

1044
00:28:18.290 --> 00:28:20.739
but I think you hit the nail on the head that we,

1045
00:28:20.939 --> 00:28:22.660
if we want to have an honors experience

1046
00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:24.859
where it feels like you were having real meaningful

1047
00:28:26.420 --> 00:28:28.250
thought provoking interactions,

1048
00:28:28.579 --> 00:28:30.160
we haven't figured out what that looks like yet,

1049
00:28:30.810 --> 00:28:30.819
yeah.

1050
00:28:31.689 --> 00:28:32.650
Maybe Barrett will.

1051
00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:33.469
I don't know.

1052
00:28:33.689 --> 00:28:35.270
Maybe we'll be the one to figure it out.

1053
00:28:36.969 --> 00:28:37.390
Yeah.

1054
00:28:37.569 --> 00:28:37.579
Yeah,

1055
00:28:37.589 --> 00:28:38.060
um,

1056
00:28:38.530 --> 00:28:41.510
what do you think has been the biggest difference between

1057
00:28:41.650 --> 00:28:45.469
like your experience as an undergraduate and now looking at

1058
00:28:46.209 --> 00:28:47.709
almost all of the people

1059
00:28:47.890 --> 00:28:49.689
doing undergraduate through Barrett now?

1060
00:28:51.030 --> 00:28:53.209
I am just so impressed with you guys.

1061
00:28:53.890 --> 00:28:53.900
The,

1062
00:28:53.949 --> 00:28:54.150
I mean,

1063
00:28:54.270 --> 00:28:55.989
the Barrett students today are just so amazing.

1064
00:28:56.189 --> 00:28:57.469
So many students are just,

1065
00:28:57.709 --> 00:28:58.500
you guys seem I,

1066
00:28:58.869 --> 00:28:59.469
I don't know,

1067
00:28:59.589 --> 00:29:01.329
you seem smarter than I was back then.

1068
00:29:01.709 --> 00:29:02.170
Maybe,

1069
00:29:02.630 --> 00:29:05.150
maybe I'm not remembering things the same way,

1070
00:29:05.229 --> 00:29:05.959
but I'm just

1071
00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:08.189
so impressed by how dedicated these students are.

1072
00:29:08.229 --> 00:29:09.229
I feel like you guys are,

1073
00:29:09.390 --> 00:29:10.180
I'm talking as a whole,

1074
00:29:10.229 --> 00:29:10.800
but you two.

1075
00:29:12.569 --> 00:29:13.280
I'm sure you can keep looking at me and saying,

1076
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.589
but I feel like the students that I work with every day,

1077
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:18.579
they're so driven,

1078
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:19.390
they're all really,

1079
00:29:20.199 --> 00:29:20.689
um,

1080
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.420
proactive with their education,

1081
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:24.979
looking at opportunities to get involved with,

1082
00:29:25.199 --> 00:29:25.619
um,

1083
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:29.380
so many students involved with research projects,

1084
00:29:29.479 --> 00:29:30.000
um,

1085
00:29:30.199 --> 00:29:32.000
so many students that are,

1086
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:32.479
you know,

1087
00:29:32.609 --> 00:29:33.060
uh,

1088
00:29:33.239 --> 00:29:36.390
doing really amazing internships and travel.

1089
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:37.329
I just,

1090
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.099
I just feel like Barrett students are.

1091
00:29:41.569 --> 00:29:44.479
Even more engaged than when I was when I was a student,

1092
00:29:44.560 --> 00:29:45.079
um,

1093
00:29:45.520 --> 00:29:45.839
there's,

1094
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.290
I think there are more opportunities at ASU,

1095
00:29:48.719 --> 00:29:52.739
but I think that our students are better at getting plugged into them

1096
00:29:53.239 --> 00:29:54.790
than we were as students,

1097
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.540
and I don't want to advising as the answer to that,

1098
00:29:57.849 --> 00:29:58.319
but

1099
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:01.390
I do think advising plays a little bit of a role in that and that you

1100
00:30:01.390 --> 00:30:04.339
guys have to come in and hopefully we're pushing that kind of stuff out to you.

1101
00:30:04.479 --> 00:30:08.339
That's what I know I try to do is push these opportunities out to my students,

1102
00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:09.099
um.

1103
00:30:10.010 --> 00:30:10.410
And

1104
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:11.800
I don't,

1105
00:30:11.959 --> 00:30:15.239
I think I went and saw an ASU advisor once when I was a student,

1106
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:17.599
but I was never even required to ever see an advisor

1107
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.680
at all the whole time I was a student at ASU.

1108
00:30:20.199 --> 00:30:21.770
So that's totally different,

1109
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:22.349
um,

1110
00:30:22.430 --> 00:30:24.119
and there's a lot of other reasons why ASU,

1111
00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:24.400
you know,

1112
00:30:24.459 --> 00:30:26.119
ASU is with President Crowe.

1113
00:30:26.280 --> 00:30:29.699
He has done so much to bring in a lot more research funding

1114
00:30:29.989 --> 00:30:32.880
and to have way more opportunities for undergraduates

1115
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:34.790
to get involved in these types of things.

1116
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:35.800
So that's different.

1117
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.880
The university looks different even,

1118
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:38.660
um,

1119
00:30:39.280 --> 00:30:40.160
but I think that.

1120
00:30:41.479 --> 00:30:43.069
Barrett has done a better job of

1121
00:30:43.069 --> 00:30:46.410
helping students get connected to those opportunities.

1122
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:47.229
Um,

1123
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:48.510
I guess follow up from that,

1124
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:48.930
and,

1125
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.319
so you say that there's a lot of different opportunities.

1126
00:30:51.520 --> 00:30:51.780
So,

1127
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:52.119
um,

1128
00:30:52.199 --> 00:30:53.079
do you think there ever,

1129
00:30:53.229 --> 00:30:55.219
ever will be like a threshold of like

1130
00:30:55.560 --> 00:30:57.229
too many opportunities because I know,

1131
00:30:57.479 --> 00:30:57.599
you know,

1132
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:58.510
you'll go into your,

1133
00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:58.760
uh,

1134
00:30:58.790 --> 00:31:00.150
residence hall or dorm or whatever,

1135
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:00.810
and you'll be like,

1136
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:01.000
oh,

1137
00:31:01.040 --> 00:31:02.910
there's 15 things that are on my elevator,

1138
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:03.819
like signs like

1139
00:31:03.939 --> 00:31:04.920
of things going on.

1140
00:31:05.280 --> 00:31:06.979
Do you think that there ever will be like.

1141
00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:10.819
So many opportunities that it will almost be voided and it's

1142
00:31:10.819 --> 00:31:13.170
like the opportunities will be so wide that they won't even,

1143
00:31:13.219 --> 00:31:13.660
I mean,

1144
00:31:13.900 --> 00:31:15.239
I think that I.

1145
00:31:15.780 --> 00:31:17.339
I don't think there's a blanket answer to that.

1146
00:31:17.420 --> 00:31:19.420
I think that is a personal thing that happens,

1147
00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:19.900
right?

1148
00:31:20.380 --> 00:31:21.099
You're a human being.

1149
00:31:21.140 --> 00:31:23.020
You can only take in so much information at once.

1150
00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:24.540
And when you're bombarded

1151
00:31:24.810 --> 00:31:26.979
all day long and you've got the Honor's Digest email,

1152
00:31:27.089 --> 00:31:28.930
but then you've got the lister for your major,

1153
00:31:28.939 --> 00:31:32.290
and then you've got 30 flyers outside your elevator in your,

1154
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:33.170
in your dorm,

1155
00:31:33.630 --> 00:31:37.640
your brain can only retain so much and it starts looking like white noise.

1156
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:40.069
I think that is a danger,

1157
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:40.619
and

1158
00:31:40.760 --> 00:31:41.500
it is.

1159
00:31:42.770 --> 00:31:44.270
But I will say,

1160
00:31:44.829 --> 00:31:45.390
um,

1161
00:31:45.709 --> 00:31:47.670
I can't tell you how many times a student is

1162
00:31:47.670 --> 00:31:49.619
telling me about this really cool opportunity they're doing.

1163
00:31:49.699 --> 00:31:49.859
They're like,

1164
00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:49.949
oh,

1165
00:31:50.020 --> 00:31:51.510
I'm doing this really amazing internship,

1166
00:31:51.589 --> 00:31:53.089
or I just got connected to this

1167
00:31:53.349 --> 00:31:54.030
cool project,

1168
00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:54.380
and I'm,

1169
00:31:54.469 --> 00:31:54.989
I always ask,

1170
00:31:55.069 --> 00:31:57.579
how did you find that opportunity because I'm just curious and

1171
00:31:58.989 --> 00:32:00.910
so many times they say the Honors digest,

1172
00:32:01.229 --> 00:32:01.510
so.

1173
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:02.810
My advice,

1174
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.329
personal advice to you is try to at least glance at your Honors digest.

1175
00:32:06.520 --> 00:32:06.560
Yeah,

1176
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:06.800
yeah.

1177
00:32:07.189 --> 00:32:07.359
Cause that,

1178
00:32:07.439 --> 00:32:08.770
that wasn't around when you were

1179
00:32:09.030 --> 00:32:09.930
a student or.

1180
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:10.670
No.

1181
00:32:10.930 --> 00:32:11.119
No.

1182
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:11.390
That,

1183
00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:12.619
that's a really recent thing,

1184
00:32:12.760 --> 00:32:13.060
right?

1185
00:32:13.280 --> 00:32:13.479
No,

1186
00:32:13.550 --> 00:32:14.599
it's not super recent.

1187
00:32:14.719 --> 00:32:15.239
Um,

1188
00:32:15.439 --> 00:32:15.640
I,

1189
00:32:15.760 --> 00:32:16.900
I don't know when it started.

1190
00:32:17.130 --> 00:32:17.339
Oh.

1191
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.829
But I think it was before I,

1192
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:19.959
I came here as staff,

1193
00:32:20.040 --> 00:32:21.829
so it was before 2009 for sure.

1194
00:32:21.959 --> 00:32:22.260
Really?

1195
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:22.880
Uh-huh.

1196
00:32:23.040 --> 00:32:24.869
And here's like an interesting little tidbit.

1197
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:25.439
So,

1198
00:32:25.479 --> 00:32:26.949
when the Honors Digest started,

1199
00:32:27.280 --> 00:32:27.739
each

1200
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.099
post was an individual e-mail.

1201
00:32:31.030 --> 00:32:31.229
Yeah.

1202
00:32:31.310 --> 00:32:31.869
Have you heard this?

1203
00:32:33.260 --> 00:32:33.449
Keith told you.

1204
00:32:33.500 --> 00:32:33.510
Yeah,

1205
00:32:35.310 --> 00:32:36.640
so you would that is very,

1206
00:32:36.869 --> 00:32:36.989
yeah,

1207
00:32:37.109 --> 00:32:37.510
people would,

1208
00:32:37.869 --> 00:32:38.729
you would get like.

1209
00:32:39.729 --> 00:32:41.250
Maybe you'd only get 3 emails today.

1210
00:32:41.410 --> 00:32:42.760
Maybe you'd get 10 tomorrow.

1211
00:32:42.849 --> 00:32:44.420
Maybe you'd get 20 the next day.

1212
00:32:44.810 --> 00:32:45.270
It was,

1213
00:32:45.689 --> 00:32:47.199
talk about a clogged inbox.

1214
00:32:47.250 --> 00:32:48.290
It was a little crazy.

1215
00:32:48.760 --> 00:32:48.969
Yeah.

1216
00:32:49.130 --> 00:32:49.479
So,

1217
00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:53.609
the once a day daily digest was like a revolutionary idea.

1218
00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:54.949
I'm like,

1219
00:32:55.030 --> 00:32:56.630
what if we just made it all into one?

1220
00:32:57.489 --> 00:32:57.500
OK.

1221
00:32:57.849 --> 00:32:58.369
Perfect.

1222
00:32:58.530 --> 00:32:58.890
Yes.

1223
00:32:59.000 --> 00:32:59.550
Um,

1224
00:32:59.849 --> 00:33:01.250
I'm just like very curious.

1225
00:33:01.369 --> 00:33:01.810
So,

1226
00:33:02.170 --> 00:33:02.609
um,

1227
00:33:02.849 --> 00:33:03.810
since you didn't have,

1228
00:33:03.969 --> 00:33:06.569
they weren't honors advising when you were like an undergraduate.

1229
00:33:06.670 --> 00:33:06.780
Um-hum.

1230
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.550
How did people like navigate

1231
00:33:09.250 --> 00:33:10.810
the honors requirement?

1232
00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:11.349
Was

1233
00:33:11.569 --> 00:33:13.550
the requirements still the same as it is now,

1234
00:33:13.689 --> 00:33:15.130
or did it change throughout?

1235
00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:15.369
Yes,

1236
00:33:15.449 --> 00:33:16.449
I believe the requirements were,

1237
00:33:16.589 --> 00:33:16.969
The same.

1238
00:33:17.449 --> 00:33:18.650
There was 36 credits.

1239
00:33:18.770 --> 00:33:19.640
The human event,

1240
00:33:19.890 --> 00:33:21.130
your first two semesters,

1241
00:33:21.250 --> 00:33:22.010
the numbers were different,

1242
00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:23.290
but it was the same thing,

1243
00:33:23.689 --> 00:33:24.119
um,

1244
00:33:24.239 --> 00:33:25.640
and then the thesis,

1245
00:33:25.930 --> 00:33:26.709
your senior year,

1246
00:33:26.729 --> 00:33:28.329
and then you could do like honors contracts,

1247
00:33:28.410 --> 00:33:29.410
honors sections,

1248
00:33:29.650 --> 00:33:29.810
same,

1249
00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:30.619
same kind of thing.

1250
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.180
I think we got like a,

1251
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.349
a one pager,

1252
00:33:33.729 --> 00:33:36.520
and it was just up to you to make sure you completed it,

1253
00:33:36.530 --> 00:33:38.430
and I think someone just had to check at the end.

1254
00:33:40.510 --> 00:33:42.869
Sounds like a 2004.

1255
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.339
Uh-huh.

1256
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:45.150
And,

1257
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:45.770
um.

1258
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.270
A lot of people

1259
00:33:49.310 --> 00:33:52.750
Way more students graduate from Barrett now than when I was a student.

1260
00:33:53.140 --> 00:33:53.790
Interesting.

1261
00:33:54.260 --> 00:33:54.310
And you,

1262
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:54.439
you,

1263
00:33:54.589 --> 00:33:54.790
I mean,

1264
00:33:54.849 --> 00:33:55.349
I would say,

1265
00:33:55.469 --> 00:33:57.189
and I think you would say it's because of advising.

1266
00:33:57.500 --> 00:33:57.550
Well,

1267
00:33:57.589 --> 00:33:58.900
I think that's one piece of the puzzle.

1268
00:33:59.229 --> 00:33:59.540
That's,

1269
00:33:59.829 --> 00:34:00.500
that's one piece of,

1270
00:34:00.589 --> 00:34:00.910
it,

1271
00:34:00.989 --> 00:34:03.489
it made it a lot easier for students to know their

1272
00:34:04.030 --> 00:34:05.650
requirements and to keep up with them.

1273
00:34:06.150 --> 00:34:06.459
Um,

1274
00:34:06.589 --> 00:34:07.969
but I think a lot of credit also

1275
00:34:08.429 --> 00:34:09.510
is due to,

1276
00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:10.139
um,

1277
00:34:11.149 --> 00:34:11.719
You know,

1278
00:34:12.389 --> 00:34:13.030
Dean Jacobs,

1279
00:34:13.149 --> 00:34:15.500
he came in in 2003,

1280
00:34:15.870 --> 00:34:17.620
and I think he did a lot of good

1281
00:34:17.620 --> 00:34:20.449
things for the honors college and helped really get students

1282
00:34:21.458 --> 00:34:22.810
involved and invested

1283
00:34:23.540 --> 00:34:25.350
and helped us grow in a smart way.

1284
00:34:25.550 --> 00:34:26.429
So you know

1285
00:34:27.629 --> 00:34:28.728
there's credit to go around.

1286
00:34:29.708 --> 00:34:29.860
Not,

1287
00:34:30.020 --> 00:34:30.649
not just my joint.

1288
00:34:34.080 --> 00:34:34.580
Um,

1289
00:34:34.810 --> 00:34:35.000
great,

1290
00:34:35.120 --> 00:34:35.310
uh,

1291
00:34:35.399 --> 00:34:36.760
thank you so much for your time.

1292
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.639
Was there anything else that you would like to add that,

1293
00:34:39.668 --> 00:34:39.860
um,

1294
00:34:39.879 --> 00:34:41.139
you wish that we brought up

1295
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:41.639
today?

1296
00:34:43.188 --> 00:34:43.688
Well,

1297
00:34:43.830 --> 00:34:44.510
um.

1298
00:34:46.050 --> 00:34:48.168
I did have one other story that I thought I might share.

1299
00:34:48.478 --> 00:34:49.030
I'm ready for it.

1300
00:34:49.850 --> 00:34:50.560
All the stories.

1301
00:34:51.208 --> 00:34:51.280
So,

1302
00:34:51.290 --> 00:34:52.040
I took the human event,

1303
00:34:52.090 --> 00:34:52.330
of course.

1304
00:34:52.540 --> 00:34:52.600
Uh-huh.

1305
00:34:52.688 --> 00:34:53.879
Two semesters of human event.

1306
00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:54.830
It was hard for me.

1307
00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:57.229
I don't know if anyone else felt that way.

1308
00:34:57.770 --> 00:34:57.929
Oh,

1309
00:34:58.010 --> 00:34:58.169
I,

1310
00:34:58.290 --> 00:35:00.050
I totally breezed past it just,

1311
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.050
So the 2nd semester of the human event was my very 1st B.

1312
00:35:05.989 --> 00:35:07.870
And I remember that being really hard.

1313
00:35:09.260 --> 00:35:10.590
Because I was not used to getting these.

1314
00:35:11.479 --> 00:35:12.189
And

1315
00:35:12.370 --> 00:35:15.250
I'm so glad looking back that I got that B.

1316
00:35:15.330 --> 00:35:16.080
Like that was,

1317
00:35:16.370 --> 00:35:18.010
that was an important turning point,

1318
00:35:18.050 --> 00:35:18.370
I think,

1319
00:35:18.449 --> 00:35:19.590
in my college education.

1320
00:35:20.770 --> 00:35:21.280
I'm,

1321
00:35:21.530 --> 00:35:23.889
I think having that small failure,

1322
00:35:23.969 --> 00:35:25.209
those aren't air quotes

1323
00:35:25.909 --> 00:35:26.909
for your transcripts.

1324
00:35:27.010 --> 00:35:27.649
Thank you.

1325
00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:29.260
Um,

1326
00:35:29.979 --> 00:35:32.620
It really helped me view education differently

1327
00:35:32.620 --> 00:35:34.639
and it really pushed me to work harder

1328
00:35:35.060 --> 00:35:37.879
and um I'm I'm really grateful for it,

1329
00:35:38.139 --> 00:35:41.739
but I also am grateful for it now that I'm an advisor

1330
00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:44.939
because I see students in my office who are not

1331
00:35:44.939 --> 00:35:46.860
doing as well in the human event as they liked.

1332
00:35:46.979 --> 00:35:48.679
I remember feeling that way,

1333
00:35:49.389 --> 00:35:49.399
um,

1334
00:35:49.419 --> 00:35:49.929
so,

1335
00:35:50.100 --> 00:35:50.620
um.

1336
00:35:51.830 --> 00:35:54.300
I know how scary it can be in the moment,

1337
00:35:54.510 --> 00:35:57.669
but if you can make it through those times that you push yourself.

1338
00:35:58.580 --> 00:36:01.040
That's where you really learn the most about yourself,

1339
00:36:01.389 --> 00:36:01.830
so,

1340
00:36:01.850 --> 00:36:02.360
um,

1341
00:36:02.429 --> 00:36:03.689
I was really grateful for,

1342
00:36:04.189 --> 00:36:05.870
for my being in the human event.

1343
00:36:07.310 --> 00:36:07.520
Yeah,

1344
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:08.719
I agree 100%.

1345
00:36:09.590 --> 00:36:09.969
I didn't,

1346
00:36:10.110 --> 00:36:10.830
I wasn't a straight.

1347
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:11.090
A

1348
00:36:11.229 --> 00:36:11.899
high school student,

1349
00:36:11.989 --> 00:36:12.550
but once I,

1350
00:36:12.629 --> 00:36:13.830
once I got my first B,

1351
00:36:13.870 --> 00:36:14.139
I was like,

1352
00:36:14.189 --> 00:36:14.570
all right.

1353
00:36:15.399 --> 00:36:16.360
I'm ready to learn now.

1354
00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:17.020
Here we go.

1355
00:36:17.270 --> 00:36:17.810
I love that,

1356
00:36:17.879 --> 00:36:18.229
Spencer.

1357
00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:19.879
You said that so much better than I did.

1358
00:36:19.959 --> 00:36:20.120
Yeah,

1359
00:36:20.399 --> 00:36:20.409
no,

1360
00:36:20.419 --> 00:36:20.429
no,

1361
00:36:20.479 --> 00:36:20.560
no,

1362
00:36:20.629 --> 00:36:20.750
it's,

1363
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:21.389
it's basically,

1364
00:36:21.439 --> 00:36:22.820
I think it was a big turnaround point

1365
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:23.760
in the fact that,

1366
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:24.179
you know,

1367
00:36:24.399 --> 00:36:24.560
you,

1368
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:25.679
you were kind of breezing through it.

1369
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:25.959
You're like,

1370
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.120
oh,

1371
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:26.760
this is easy,

1372
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:27.439
and then you're like,

1373
00:36:27.520 --> 00:36:27.919
oh,

1374
00:36:28.399 --> 00:36:28.879
this is easy,

1375
00:36:28.919 --> 00:36:30.120
but I didn't get the grade I wanted.

1376
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.320
Now it's time to try harder.

1377
00:36:31.479 --> 00:36:31.679
Um-hum.

1378
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:32.000
So.

1379
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:32.399
Yeah,

1380
00:36:32.560 --> 00:36:33.489
use it as motivation.

1381
00:36:33.560 --> 00:36:33.699
Oh,

1382
00:36:33.709 --> 00:36:33.879
yeah.

1383
00:36:34.080 --> 00:36:34.350
Yeah.

1384
00:36:34.439 --> 00:36:34.520
Oh,

1385
00:36:34.560 --> 00:36:34.750
yeah.

1386
00:36:34.959 --> 00:36:36.560
And to realize that the great is in everything.

1387
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:36.840
Oh,

1388
00:36:36.959 --> 00:36:37.270
yeah.

1389
00:36:37.399 --> 00:36:37.550
Um-hum.

1390
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:37.879
I mean,

1391
00:36:37.929 --> 00:36:39.439
obviously grades are like a factor,

1392
00:36:39.560 --> 00:36:40.479
but it's also like,

1393
00:36:40.590 --> 00:36:41.679
what do you take from it?

1394
00:36:42.379 --> 00:36:44.520
When you're in an interview or when you're

1395
00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:46.100
doing whatever you're going to be like,

1396
00:36:46.179 --> 00:36:48.540
I took this class and I know about this because

1397
00:36:48.540 --> 00:36:51.610
like I actually like paid attention and I studied and

1398
00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:52.290
I asked questions.

1399
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:53.510
Yes.

1400
00:36:53.979 --> 00:36:54.290
So.

1401
00:36:58.409 --> 00:36:58.459
And I think,

1402
00:36:58.469 --> 00:36:58.560
I think that's a message to every,

1403
00:36:58.590 --> 00:36:59.379
every you know you see all these kids.

1404
00:37:00.340 --> 00:37:00.770
I have an.

1405
00:37:01.209 --> 00:37:01.989
It's the end of the world.

1406
00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:02.850
I,

1407
00:37:02.929 --> 00:37:02.939
I,

1408
00:37:03.080 --> 00:37:04.159
I remember being that person.

1409
00:37:05.060 --> 00:37:05.070
I,

1410
00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:06.899
I haven't been that person in years.

1411
00:37:07.010 --> 00:37:07.250
I,

1412
00:37:07.379 --> 00:37:07.899
I'm like.

1413
00:37:08.090 --> 00:37:08.889
You've seen the light,

1414
00:37:08.929 --> 00:37:09.219
Spencer.

1415
00:37:09.379 --> 00:37:09.850
I've seen the light.

1416
00:37:09.939 --> 00:37:09.969
Yeah.

1417
00:37:10.050 --> 00:37:11.179
I saw the light a long time ago.

1418
00:37:11.530 --> 00:37:12.129
As long as I keep,

1419
00:37:12.219 --> 00:37:14.020
as long as I keep the Barrett minimum,

1420
00:37:14.100 --> 00:37:14.570
I'm,

1421
00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:15.419
I'm good.

1422
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:15.800
Yeah.

1423
00:37:15.820 --> 00:37:16.020
Good job.

1424
00:37:16.350 --> 00:37:16.370
Good job.

1425
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:17.750
I'm not impressed with my luck,

1426
00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:18.239
but,

1427
00:37:19.510 --> 00:37:19.909
Yeah,

1428
00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:20.409
so

1429
00:37:21.060 --> 00:37:23.189
a little life lesson at the end of this interview.

1430
00:37:23.790 --> 00:37:24.229
Love it.

1431
00:37:24.520 --> 00:37:24.879
I love it.

1432
00:37:25.580 --> 00:37:25.760
That's awesome.

1433
00:37:25.870 --> 00:37:25.899
Well,

1434
00:37:25.949 --> 00:37:27.949
I wanna say you guys are really wonderful interview.

1435
00:37:28.379 --> 00:37:29.179
Thank you,

1436
00:37:29.350 --> 00:37:31.590
and I can tell that you just have like curiosity,

1437
00:37:31.669 --> 00:37:33.110
which I think makes a good interviewer,

1438
00:37:33.229 --> 00:37:33.590
so.

1439
00:37:34.659 --> 00:37:35.340
That was lovely.

1440
00:37:35.459 --> 00:37:35.939
Thank you.

1441
00:37:36.149 --> 00:37:36.649
Thank you so much.

1442
00:37:36.750 --> 00:37:37.219
Thank you.

1443
00:37:37.379 --> 00:37:37.889
Um,

1444
00:37:38.139 --> 00:37:38.300
yeah,

1445
00:37:38.419 --> 00:37:39.739
so that concludes our interview,

1446
00:37:39.820 --> 00:37:40.010
um,

1447
00:37:40.060 --> 00:37:41.679
for our Beryl oral history project,

1448
00:37:41.860 --> 00:37:42.260
um,

1449
00:37:42.540 --> 00:37:45.139
celebrating the 30th anniversary of Bear at the Honors College.

1450
00:37:45.260 --> 00:37:45.449
Um,

1451
00:37:45.580 --> 00:37:46.979
if you have any questions,

1452
00:37:47.100 --> 00:37:48.020
please contact the,

1453
00:37:48.100 --> 00:37:48.179
uh,

1454
00:37:48.260 --> 00:37:48.909
Vice Dean.